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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 6:04pm On May 28
Amigoss:
Is this Fashola project in existence today?grin grin

https://www.nairaland.com/1194409/fashola-sets-october-date-10.4mw

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/10/17/fashola-commissions-alausa-power-plant/?amp=1

Fashola actually commissioned the project in October 2013 as promised and the project is still in existence till date .

The IPP powers the Alausa secretariat

https://www.elektronenergy.com/projects/

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 6:17pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:


All those talks about "Tinubu built Lagos " na just political talks. Only those that didn't live in Lagos during the terms of Tinubu and Fashola will buy that lamba.

Even Tinubu knows the truth in his heart of hearts.

I lived in Lagos during the regime of Tinubu and Fashola and I agree that Tinubu was the father of modern Lagos. It was the template he laid that Fashola and others after him followed

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 6:19pm On May 28
izzou:


Dem say na Tinubu masterplan everybody dey use.

I no dey their WhatsApp group sha, but i really cannot remember any sector that the guy did not touch.

WHich is true, even Fashola said it publicly
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 6:20pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:


I just hope when the time comes Fashola will not settle for VP ticket to deputize a northerner just like Osinbajo .

That will definitely stain his white further cos as VP it will be almost impossible for him to effect any meaningful change in this country .

Fashola cannot aspire to be president for the next 16yrs at least. The best he can be will be VP
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 6:22pm On May 28
GloriousGbola:


Actually, thats where you missed it.

a large part of projects is politics. you have to run around engaging and convincing different sponsors to buy in. this is why a person may be a star performer in his company, and then he will go somewhere else and start to underperform. the ogas at the top have already done the groundwork to enable everything else to flow.

when fashola was in lagos did anyone in HOA block any of his budgets or bills? Did anyone sabotage any of his initiatives?

part of the failure of Visionscape was because ambode went it alone without carrying anyone along.

Its easy to be starboy when someone is handling the politicking. Shebi na him Wike and Fubara don start now. All the project Yar Adua had in mind when militancy came, didnt he shelve it

Fashola knows who gave him the platform. He will normally not even win Surulere LGA chairman on his own
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 6:34pm On May 28
GloriousGbola:


Actually, thats where you missed it.

a large part of projects is politics. you have to run around engaging and convincing different sponsors to buy in. this is why a person may be a star performer in his company, and then he will go somewhere else and start to underperform. the ogas at the top have already done the groundwork to enable everything else to flow.

when fashola was in lagos did anyone in HOA block any of his budgets or bills? Did anyone sabotage any of his initiatives?

part of the failure of Visionscape was because ambode went it alone without carrying anyone along.

So who blocked Fashola from passing any bill?

Who sabotaged his initiatives? What were his initiatives?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 6:37pm On May 28
raumdeuter:


I lived in Lagos during the regime of Tinubu and Fashola and I agree that Tinubu was the father of modern Lagos. It was the template he laid that Fashola and others after him followed

lol. grin As expected .

What we are discussing is the best governor as regards what was done in their respective tenures and I can boldly say Fashola outperformed Tinubu is all areas of governance .

All those talk about father of modern Lagos is mere political talks . Those are what politicians tell themselves in their parties.

We ordinary citizens rate governors based on what they did while in power .
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 6:38pm On May 28
raumdeuter:


Fashola cannot aspire to be president for the next 16yrs at least. The best he can be will be VP

He should avoid it at all cost if knows what’s good for him. He should learn from Osinbajo
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 6:39pm On May 28
raumdeuter:


WHich is true, even Fashola said it publicly

Na dem sabi.

Dem fit use Lord Lugard template sef.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 6:41pm On May 28
Amigoss:


😂😂

Fashola was said to have spent N78.3 million ($390,000) on the upgrade of his official website, N139 million ($700,000) on the drilling of two boreholes at the government secretariat and to have awarded a N640 million ($3.2 million) contract to German engineering firm Julius Berger for the reconstruction of a car park and other associated works at the Lagos House Marina, his official residence.

These are dogs not elephants
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 6:47pm On May 28
iamoyindamola:

Donald duke tried bros
Obudu cattle ranch was generating revenue for the state and also employment
It was when he left the whole resort scatter
I think the mistake was not privatizing it

Revenue is not profit

They have always been unprofitable and always been destined to be. Subsequent governors had to drop the costly millstone around their neck.

Only a mumu will think tourism is a competitive advantage of the Niger Delta or Nigeria in general. Porters 5 forces will be crying at Dukes decisions

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 6:49pm On May 28
izzou:


Na dem sabi.

Dem fit use Lord Lugard template sef.

Fashola performed really well but the guy was below par in terms of setting up the foundation and getting the relevant people on his side to support his plans.

Most of what he achieved was done while stepping on people’s toes all over the place, and would not have been possible without Tinubu’s intervention and support at key points.

Whose master plan it was I am not sure.


His lack of diplomacy and politicking ability is partly responsible for his failure as a minister. In a military regime he would have been a fantastic minister.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 6:52pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:
lol. grin As expected .

What we are discussing is the best governor as regards what was done in their respective tenures and I can boldly say Fashola outperformed Tinubu is all areas of governance .

All those talk about father of modern Lagos is mere political talks . Those are what politicians tell themselves in their parties.

We ordinary citizens rate governors based on what they did while in power .

What Tinubu did was more than what Fashola did

Fashola did not fight any FG unlike what Tinubu did. It was the grund work of Tinubu that made Fasholas regime relatively smooth
All the with held funds that was starved Tinubus administration, was released later to benefit mostly Fasholas administration

How will Fashola have fared if he had to go through the rigours

Its like an immigrant child who was riding bus and grew up in an apartment claiming he did better than his parents who had to trek through Sahara desert and sleep in refugee camp for years before finding their feet

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 6:52pm On May 28
afrodoc2:


Fashola performed really well but the guy was below par in terms of setting up the foundation and getting the relevant people on his side to support his plans.

Most of what he achieved was done while stepping on people’s toes all over the place, and would not have been possible without Tinubu’s intervention and support at key points.

Whose master plan it was I am not sure.


His lack of diplomacy and politicking ability is partly responsible for his failure as a minister. In a military regime he would have been a fantastic minister.

Help me throw more light on this.

Because i know he started having issues with Tinubu in his 2nd term
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 6:53pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:


He should avoid it at all cost if knows what’s good for him. He should learn from Osinbajo

Why should he avoid it?

His power ministry maybe it would have been different if he had a Tinubu who lay down the blueprint and was collecting the political bullets while he can focus on his work as administrator
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amigoss: 6:54pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:


https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/10/17/fashola-commissions-alausa-power-plant/?amp=1

Fashola actually commissioned the project in October 2013 as promised and the project is still in existence till date .

The IPP powers the Alausa secretariat

https://www.elektronenergy.com/projects/

Ohh ok,I read it somewhere under ambode light up Lagos initiative,thought he never commissioned it
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amigoss: 6:55pm On May 28
Ibime:


These are dogs not elephants

grin grin
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 6:55pm On May 28
There have been 2 governors after Fashola and none of them is telling us that Fashola did this and that for them, Na Tinubu dem still dey credit
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 7:00pm On May 28
izzou:


Help me throw more light on this.

Because i know he started having issues with Tinubu in his 2nd term

Yes they started having issues in the 2nd term, but they often ironed out their problems, which is why they are still able to work together now.

His first 4-6 years were littered with countless meetings at Tinubu’s house and at Baba Eto’s house to settle discord between him and the latest person/group he had offended in his projects.

He was able to be singleminded in his projects because the politicking, diplomacy, and grassroots stuff were taken care of by others, in a state which was essentially a one-party dictatorship.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:17pm On May 28
raumdeuter:


What Tinubu did was more than what Fashola did

Fashola did not fight any FG unlike what Tinubu did. It was the grund work of Tinubu that made Fasholas regime relatively smooth
All the with held funds that was starved Tinubus administration, was released later to benefit mostly Fasholas administration

How will Fashola have fared if he had to go through the rigours

Its like an immigrant child who was riding bus and grew up in an apartment claiming he did better than his parents who had to trek through Sahara desert and sleep in refugee camp for years before finding their feet

We are not going to be rehashing the “held Lagos funds “ story all over again. FG held the LG funds of all states that created additional LGA’s , not just Lagos alone . The affected states were Lagos, Ebonyi, Katsina, Nasarawa and Niger states. If Lagos didn’t have money , they would’ve backed down like the other states.

The held funds are LG funds and not state funds . Lagos got its allocation from FAAC all through the period .

Tinubu didn’t do anything more than Fashola , maybe he fought FG more than Fashola sha.

We are talking about real development that people can feel not some “ I pave way for you “ , “ I walk so you can fly “ political talks

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 7:21pm On May 28
"I pave way for you"


grin cheesy

Tinubu na John the Baptist

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:24pm On May 28
raumdeuter:


Why should he avoid it?

His power ministry maybe it would have been different if he had a Tinubu who lay down the blueprint and was collecting the political bullets while he can focus on his work as administrator

Did anybody lay any blueprint for Tunji-Ojo that is performing as a minister in interior ministry today ?

The thing is the ministries Fashola got under Buhari were ministries he was wrong fit for . If Fashola had gotten ministry of justice and had performed well , nobody will be talking about any blueprint talk.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:24pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:


We are not going to be rehashing the “held Lagos funds “ story all over again. FG held the LG funds of all states that created additional LGA’s , not just Lagos alone . The affected states were Lagos, Ebonyi, Katsina, Nasarawa and Niger states. If Lagos didn’t have money , they would’ve backed down like the other states.

The held funds are LG funds and not state funds . Lagos got its allocation from FAAC all through the period .

Tinubu didn’t do anything more than Fashola , maybe he fought FG more than Fashola sha.

We are talking about real development that people can feel not some political “ I pave way foe you “ , “ I walk so you can fly “ political talks


Did FG hold Lagos funds or No?
Lagos didnt have money, Tinubu created new revenue pathways through taxation that made governance continue despite the FG holding money

Tinubu did the heavy lifting already for people like Fashola to thrive. Its easy to build when there is an architectural plan to follow and when someone has fought all the Legal battles with Land commission

When dem hand am Power ministry without any fore runner to provide masterplan or fight political battles, how did it go
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:25pm On May 28
izzou:
"I pave way for you"


grin cheesy

Tinubu na John the Baptist

Tinubu the Forerunner , set awon John onitebomi 😂

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:28pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:


Did anybody lay any blueprint for Tunji-Ojo that is performing as a minister in interior ministry today ?

The thing is the ministries Fashola got under Buhari were ministries he was wrong fit for . If Fashola had gotten ministry of justice and had performed well , nobody will be talking about any blueprint talk.

All these low impact ministry like interior. He for try works, Finance, Power or ministry wey public focus go always dey ontop, That performance metric is delivering passports in a few weeks and announcing public holidays abi

90% of Nigerians will never interface with the works of Tunji Ojo as they dont have nor need passports, unlike in Power, Works or finance ministry
What else, Look calendar and declare October 1 as Public holiday? If its not by force to have 36ministers should we have a minister dedicated to telling us that Dec 25 is Christmas?

What makes Tunji Ojo a fit for interior ministry, did he study Interior design in school?

Fashola you claimed excel in Lagos state, was it in ministry of Justice?
What made Fashola successful in a whole state like Lagos but not in ministry of Power? Probably no Tinubu template
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:32pm On May 28
PDPGuy:
Tomorrow, Nigeria’s 4th Republic will clock 25 years; and Tinubu’s government will be one year old..

So, who has been your favorite 4th republic president and governor?

Favorite President - Too early to say but Looking like Bola Ahmed Tinubu

Favorite governor - Undisputed Bola Ahmed Tinubu

Worst Governor - Adebayo Alao Akala

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:40pm On May 28
raumdeuter:


All these low impact ministry like interior. He for try works, Finance, Power or ministry wey public focus go always dey ontop, That performance metric is delivering passports in a few weeks and announcing public holidays abi

90% of Nigerians will never interface with the works of Tunji Ojo as they dont have nor need passports, unlike in Power, Works or finance ministry
What else, Look calendar and declare October 1 as Public holiday? If its not by force to have 36ministers should we have a minister dedicated to telling us that Dec 25 is Christmas?

What makes Tunji Ojo a fit for interior ministry, did he study Interior design in school?

Fashola you claimed excel in Lagos state, was it in ministry of Justice?
What made Fashola successful in a whole state like Lagos but not in ministry of Power? Probably no Tinubu template

I didn’t claim Fashola excelled in Lagos , Fashola actually did excel and both local and international observers gave him his due credit .

Na only Tinubu fanatics Dey claim Tinubu outperformed Fashola as per John the Baptist of Lagos 😂

If u carry microphone enter street interview non-APC-member adults on whose administration they felt government impact most in Lagos , majority will tell u it is Fashola .

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:44pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:


I didn’t claim Fashola excelled in Lagos , Fashola actually did excel and both local and international observers gave him his due credit .

Na only Tinubu fanatics Dey claim Tinubu outperformed Fashola as per John the Baptist of Lagos 😂

If Fashola was good enough to be best governor in the whole of Nigeria for the past 25yrs, How come ministry of Power he wasnt good enough?

You were already giving excuses for Fashola in Power the position where he didnt have Tinubu clear road for him

Both are good, But Tinubu was the best governor in the past 25yrs
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:45pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:


I didn’t claim Fashola excelled in Lagos , Fashola actually did excel and both local and international observers gave him his due credit .

Na only Tinubu fanatics Dey claim Tinubu outperformed Fashola as per John the Baptist of Lagos 😂

If u carry microphone enter street interview non-APC-member adults on whose administration they felt government impact most in Lagos , majority will tell u it is Fashola .

You havent told us the metric to make Tunji Ojo perform well? He checked calendar and reminded us not to forget Xmas day?

Or what exactly?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:49pm On May 28
BlueRayDick:

If u carry microphone enter street interview non-APC-member adults on whose administration they felt government impact most in Lagos , majority will tell u it is Fashola .

Non of these 2 people are card carrying APC emembers
In a statement, Chimaroke Nnamani, a PDP senator, gives a candid assessment of Tinubu era and passed the verdict: Ahmed Bola Tinubu is the MOST successful Governor in modern Nigeria bar none.
https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2022/08/10/tinubu-most-successful-governor-in-modern-nigeria-chimaroke-nnamani/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqjLDuNQhE0

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:54pm On May 28
raumdeuter:


Non of these 2 people are card carrying APC emembers



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqjLDuNQhE0

Two well known political sycophants in the last general elections 😂

Nnamani that was aiming for senate presidency seat by supporting Tinubu before his constituency people shock am ….lmao

When next u are in Lagos carry mic 🎤 enter street and hear people of Lagos’ opinion on the matter not some political jobbers twerking for Tinubu

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 7:54pm On May 28
You'd think the person he's rubbishing Fashola for isn't failing as president...maybe he's still fighting FG grin grin grin

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