MatrixReloaded:

People dey shout diaspora some vagabond go dey display.

5 years is still in play. One year is almost done. 4 more to go while you are finding garri alternatives kwekwekwe

Okay. Thank you

tensazangetsu20:


I don't know any. You will need to research options for yourself and find what suits you.

Gerrard59:
As your loyal deputy in immigration affairs, make I buy land.

Congratulations bro! Your detractors never succeeded. I am sure they are now in sifia pains.


All your enemies, die, die, die, die!!!!!

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Bants aside, OP has been consistent and persistent in this journey. He did his research really hard and persevered. He applied delayed gratification, saved, curtailed lifestyle inflation etc. He prepared for the worst while in Nigeria because one never loses betting against Nigeria. He deserves it, and I am extremely happy for him.

He has succeeded, and together, we would run things. Expect to see us partying in Brazil, Barbados, Bahamas, Chile, Panama etc.

We would paint Nairaland redddddddddddd

Funny enough my guy has also gotten an offer but refused to mention it too . All those idiots on the first 20 pages dey see shege now if they live in Nigeria. Funny enough, this shege is still enjoyment compared with what is coming.

DrAkpamudehe:


If you are a lazy person, you had better stay back in Nigeria where you have family and friends to support you. The western world whether low cost of living or high cost of livng doesn't tolerate lazy people. Be guided

Fool, how far. House of reps leader that stole Nigeria money to get Australian passport . I havent seen you trolling again

I remember before I came to this Chile. Even though all my research I did was good at least from everything I saw online, I asked one black political geoanalyst on Twitter what he thought about Chile. This guy told me never to try it o. That I will die of hunger that people in Chile are dropping dead on the streets from hunger. That Ghana or Kenya is better for me if Nigeria is too tough . Ghana wey get like 4000 job openings on LinkedIn totally lol. Kenya is also horrible. I did my undergraduate in Ghana, so why would I go live there.

Funny enough it took a week to get a survival job in Chile after I got my residency card but I abandoned that job to do UberEATS cause it was easier to just sit home and have my interviews with UberEATS but with a job you can't just tell them you aren't gonna come to work cause you have interviews that day. No one is gonna buy that lol. There's so many jobs and opportunities in this country it's crazy and my school is going great even though it's in Spanish, I will be finishing with the highest level of distinction If I maintain my current grades. My second semester was even way better than my first.

In this life, when you make up your mind on something and you have properly accessed the risks, omho go for it o. Even if you fail, failure is nothing so long as you alive. You can always recover and trust me when you are recovering you are so much wiser and smarter.

tensazangetsu20:
I remember before I came to this Chile. Even though all my research I did was good at least from everything I saw online, I asked one black political geoanalyst on Twitter what he thought about Chile. This guy told me never to try it o. That I will die of hunger that people in Chile are dropping dead on the streets from hunger. That Ghana or Kenya is better for me if Nigeria is too tough . Ghana wey get like 4000 job openings on LinkedIn totally lol. Kenya is also horrible. I did my undergraduate in Ghana, so why would I go live there.

Funny enough it took a week to get a survival job in Chile after I got my residency card but I abandoned that job to do UberEATS cause it was easier to just sit home and have my interviews with UberEATS but with a job you can't just tell them you aren't gonna come to work cause you have interviews that day. No one is gonna buy that lol. There's so many jobs and opportunities in this country it's crazy and my school is going great even though it's in Spanish, I will be finishing with the highest level of distinction If I maintain my current grades. My second semester was even way better than my first.

In this life, when you make up your mind on something and you have properly accessed the risks, omho go for it o. Even if you fail, failure is nothing so long as you alive. You can always recover and trust me when you are recovering you are so much wiser and smarter.

Wow! He really uttered such? Well, he messaged me that we should meet up when he comes to Japan. I would really question his thought process because the bold is utterly ridiculous for an American citizen to say.

As for dem Matrixreloaded, the Agungi landlord who would soon battle flooding, the best response is plenty of success. So-called elites who queue to buy petrol while holding war-torn Ethiopian permanent residency status. As an Igbo man, who knows whether the Lagos state government don demolish him house.

Gerrard59:


Wow! He really uttered such? Well, he messaged me that we should meet up when he comes to Japan. I would really question his thought process because the bold is utterly ridiculous for an American citizen to say.

As for dem Matrixreloaded, the Agungi landlord who would soon battle flooding, the best response is plenty of success. So-called elites who queue to buy petrol while holding war-torn Ethiopian permanent residency status.

Bro Chile that is fucking developed. Obesity is even a huge problem in Chile. He said people are dying of hunger. Where. There's even food banks to get free food here. My church even gives out food. You go to church on Sunday and various provisions are put on the table outside. Who's dying of hunger in Chile.

tensazangetsu20:


Bro Chile that is fucking developed. Obesity is even a huge problem in Chile. He said people are dying of hunger. Where. There's even food banks to get free food here. My church even gives out food. You go to church on Sunday and various provisions are put on the table outside. Who's dying of hunger in Chile.

Well, whenever he is coming, I will message you for full details of the conversation so I can question him thoroughly. I want to assess his thought process. Your uncle used a simple test of visa-free status to assess the country's level of development, as such places don't have citizens dropping dead because of hunger.

When you said you wouldn't take the advice of a black man immediately, I considered it too harsh. But as time goes on, you are being vindicated.

Gerrard59:


Well, whenever he is coming, I will message you for full details of the conversation so I can question him thoroughly. I want to assess his thought process. Your uncle used a simple test of visa-free status to assess the country's level of development, as such places don't have citizens dropping dead because of hunger.

When you said you wouldn't take the advice of a black man immediately, I considered it too harsh. But as time goes on, you are being vindicated.

That's what he said. These are all lies. From the day I entered Chile, recruiters were pursuing me left right and center. Infact even though I am working I still get recruiters messaging me everyday

LinkedIn recruiter just yesterday. I get at least 2 messages like this everyday.

I don't know why people will just lie about nothing they know about.

tensazangetsu20:


That's what he said. These are all lies. From the day I entered Chile, recruiters were pursuing me left right and center. Infact even though I am working I still get recruiters messaging me everyday

I am glad you proved him and everyone wrong. Impossible is nothing. Honestly, you have been a source of inspiration.

Sha, till he comes. I want to hear what he has to say.

Gerrard59:


I am glad you proved him and everyone wrong. Impossible is nothing. Honestly, you have been a source of inspiration.

Sha, till he comes. I want to hear what he has to say.

Bros I was having interviews. I had interview with IBM, Amazon, Cisco, fallabela, banco estado de Chile. Big Chilean conglomerates and all. A country I haven't even spent a year in. I know people in western countries who have spent 3 years including the two years of masters and their one year to find work and haven't even landed a job interview and the so called western countries are better than Chile okay o

I'm glad I came upon this thread. I read all the pages through. Congratulations on your recent job and country move, tensazangetsu20. I went through a few posts about the UK, France, the Nordic countries, and the EU. What I will say is that, in some EU nations, you will make less money as a non-professional yet still be able to support yourself with a few menial jobs. When it comes to professional occupations, such as those in technology, you will make a good living. As a Software Engineer (Cloud expert) where I presently reside, the average salary starts at 3500 euros, yet Lithuania is one of the lowest paying countries.If you're talking about Denmark, Germany, and other powerful nations in Europe, my friends who work in the Netherlands and other nations make a lot of money. As a foreigner, you are eligible for a 30% tax rule in the Netherlands, which means that 30% of your earnings will not be subject to taxes. If you look at the generous income my colleagues in Denmark are receiving—and we work for the same company—you cannot even begin to compare salaries in the UK and Denmark. The United Kingdom and France do not rank among the top eight countries in terms of pay.

I also read about the independent contractor someone talked about, it is very true, as an independent contractor in the EU, you are going to make cool cash easily and there plenty of jobs to choose from, I can't remember how many offers I got , but it is meant for permanent residents, there are doings in EU countries, it depends on your experience and skills. I have a friend earning 8000 in Lithuania as a Senior Software Engineer and this is a country that is not in the top 30 highest salaries countries

Taofeekdboy:
I'm glad I came upon this thread. I read all the pages through. Congratulations on your recent job and country move, tensazangetsu20. I went through a few posts about the UK, France, the Nordic countries, and the EU. What I will say is that, in some EU nations, you will make less money as a non-professional yet still be able to support yourself with a few menial jobs. When it comes to professional occupations, such as those in technology, you will make a good living. As a Software Engineer (Cloud expert) where I presently reside, the average salary starts at 3500 euros, yet Lithuania is one of the lowest paying countries.If you're talking about Denmark, Germany, and other powerful nations in Europe, my friends who work in the Netherlands and other nations make a lot of money. As a foreigner, you are eligible for a 30% tax rule in the Netherlands, which means that 30% of your earnings will not be subject to taxes. If you look at the generous income my colleagues in Denmark are receiving—and we work for the same company—you cannot even begin to compare salaries in the UK and Denmark. The United Kingdom and France do not rank among the top eight countries in terms of pay.

I also read about the independent contractor someone talked about, it is very true, as an independent contractor in the EU, you are going to make cool cash easily and there plenty of jobs to choose from, I can't remember how many offers I got , but it is meant for permanent residents, there are doings in EU countries, it depends on your experience and skills. I have a friend earning 8000 in Lithuania as a Senior Software Engineer and this is a country that is not in the top 30 highest salaries countries

Everything you said can be gotten right here in Chile. At senior level, it's very possible to make up to 10000 USD every month. The income tax level is up to 40 percent Sha as a full time employee but if you are an independent contractor either with Chilean companies or foreign it's a 15 percent or so flat rate. The tax is so much lower. Why I came to Chile is that Chilean passport that allows you to work in the US legally. Trust me a whole lot of american companies are ready to hire you if you let them know that that option exists and is a very straightforward option to bring you over.

I don't know if you still remembered when you helped me back in 2020 when I was having some issues with modals in react. It's been a long way since then

tensazangetsu20:


Everything you said can be gotten right here in Chile. At senior level, it's very possible to make up to 10000 USD every month. The income tax level is up to 40 percent Sha as a full time employee but if you are an independent contractor either with Chilean companies or foreign it's a 15 percent or so flat rate. The tax is so much lower. Why I came to Chile is that Chilean passport that allows you to work in the US legally. Trust me a whole lot of american companies are ready to hire you if you let them know that that option exists and is a very straightforward option to bring you over.

I don't know if you still remembered when you helped me back in 2020 when I was having some issues with modals in react. It's been a long way since then

Yes. I remembered . I am really happy for you.
I am not even talking about Chile, I was just reacting to a post comparing UK, France to other EU countries regarding Salaries. What most people do not understand is that some countries that are unheard of or small countries get doings than those popular countries. That is what you are facing when some people think Chile is not good. UK that I am seeing a SWE salary starting from 28K pounds annually.

Taofeekdboy:

Yes. I remembered . I am really happy for you.
I am not even talking about Chile, I was just reacting to a post comparing UK, France to other EU countries regarding Salaries. What most people do not understand is that some countries that are unheard of or small countries get doings than those popular countries. That is what you are facing when some people think Chile is not good. UK that I am seeing a SWE salary starting from 28K pounds annually.

Oh and if I want to move to Europe from Chile, it's very very very easy. Infact I can do it before the year ends if I want lol. I did do some interviews with some companies in Spain but I stopped because aside one company which offered 70k euros annually and relocation to Spain, the other salaries were lower than what even companies in Chile were offering. No be withcraft be that

From Chile the only country I can move to is the US and that's legally with either a work visa or getting a US green card by petitioning it myself.

I am not doing any schooling again

tensazangetsu20:


Oh and if I want to move to Europe from Chile, it's very very very easy. Infact I can do it before the year ends if I want lol. I did do some interviews with some companies in Spain but I stopped because aside one company which offered 70k euros annually and relocation to Spain, the other salaries were lower than what even companies in Chile were offering. No be withcraft be that

Lol. Spain is not even paying high salaries, I have some Spaniards that are coming to Lithuania to work. Salaries in Spain are not great at all. Also, it depends on companies as well. Some companies pay more salary for the same positions than their peers. If I want to relocate to another country, it will be between the Netherlands and Denmark, they have good benefits for expats and high salaries as well. And black people in top companies in these countries. The company I am working with which is a bank has its headquarter in Denmark and the guy heading the Technology department is From Nigeria living in Denmark, I could imagine the amount they will be paying him . To be honest, if you know what are you doing and you have good skills and experience, you can thrive in any EU country

Taofeekdboy:

Lol. Spain is not even paying high salaries, I have some Spaniards that are coming to Lithuania to work. Salaries in Spain are not great at all. Also, it depends on companies as well. Some companies pay more salary for the same positions than their peers. If I want to relocate to another country, it will be between the Netherlands and Denmark, they have good benefits for expats and high salaries as well. And black people in top companies in these countries. The company I am working with which is a bank has its headquarter in Denmark and the guy heading the Technology department is From Nigeria living in Denmark, I could imagine the amount they will be paying him . To be honest, if you know what are you doing and you are good skills and experience, you can thrive in any EU country

True Sha. There's even a Nigerian I know in china who is an engineering manager at italki. That's one of the largest tech companies in china. If you have value to offer you will survive in any good country. Me na US be my final destination Sha and unfortunately only 5 countries in this world offer a valid pathway to working in the US based on the citizenship of those countries and Chile is one of them.

tensazangetsu20:


Bros it's life changing money. Despite I was earning very well back in Nigeria, my current salary is 400 times what I was making in Nigeria

Enjoy your loot my brother.

Taofeekdboy:

Lol. Spain is not even paying high salaries, I have some Spaniards that are coming to Lithuania to work. Salaries in Spain are not great at all. Also, it depends on companies as well. Some companies pay more salary for the same positions than their peers. If I want to relocate to another country, it will be between the Netherlands and Denmark, they have good benefits for expats and high salaries as well. And black people in top companies in these countries. The company I am working with which is a bank has its headquarter in Denmark and the guy heading the Technology department is From Nigeria living in Denmark, I could imagine the amount they will be paying him . To be honest, if you know what are you doing and you have good skills and experience, you can thrive in any EU country

Impressive to read. Having the skills is the koko. The developed world is willing to hire and pay someone regardless of origin, looks, skin colour etc., provided the person is skilled. Well, that is how they stay developed - meritocracy.

I am curious, do you know anything about Switzerland and the blacks working in non-UN affiliated/NGO organisations?

Gerrard59:


Impressive to read. Having the skills is the koko. The developed world is willing to hire and pay someone regardless of origin, looks, skin colour etc., provided the person is skilled. Well, that is how they stay developed - meritocracy.

I am curious, do you know anything about Switzerland and the blacks working in non-UN affiliated/NGO organisations?

Switzerland is very good as well and they pay good salaries, I have some backs working as tech guys there , but they are not alot as Scandinavian countries and Eastern Europe. Their resident permit is quite hard to get and alot of bureaucracy. One of my chapter leads just joined my previous company "EPAM systems" in Zurich, though he is white. I don't really know much about the NGO companies there, but I know blacks are working there and their resident permit is quite hard to get

Taofeekdboy:

Switzerland is very good as well and they pay good salaries, I have some backs working as tech guys there , but they are not alot as Scandinavian countries and Eastern Europe. Their resident permit is quite hard to get and alot of bureaucracy. One of my chapter leads just joined my previous company "EPAM systems" in Zurich, though he is white. I don't really know much about the NGO companies there, but I know blacks are working there and their resident permit is quite hard to get

Yeah. The residency permit is hard even for white Europeans, so imagine how it is for blacks, especially black Africans. Swiss immigration laws discriminate across regions. It charges more residency fees for black Africans compared to say Americans. So, those blacks there might be those who have citizenship in an EU country. But yes, Switzerland is the go-to country for higher salaries in Europe. As with every high earning place, it attracts a lot of qualified applicants.

NGOs are largely different because they are either affiliated with UN-sister organisations and transfers are common. Also, they don't employ a lot compared to the real industry.

tensazangetsu20:
From Chile the only country I can move to is the US and that's legally with either a work visa or getting a US green card by petitioning it myself.

I am not doing any schooling again

You no go do PhD in AI and Computer Science?

Wetin shock me na my Chinese lab mate who says he intends to commence job hunting soon as he is not interested in PhD. I asked why, "Man, I want to start working and earning money. Besides, the salaries for PhD grads in Japan are almost the same as MSc grads".

For most Chinese though, they have plans to return to China after some years here. PhD is highly regarded there and salaries are higher, but the competition is stiff. So, they get PhD here then work experience and later move back home to get higher positions. Well, such was the same for Nigerians during 2007-2014. Most did not even work in the UK after studies and returned to Nigeria immediately. But in 2015, they voted for a cattle rearer because he promised to pight kwarruption. Today, Teeside University dey pursue them upandown for failure to pay school fees!

Gerrard59:


You no go do PhD in AI and Computer Science?

Wetin shock me na my Chinese lab mate who says he intends to commence job hunting soon as he is not interested in PhD. I asked why, "Man, I want to start working and earning money. Besides, the salaries for PhD grads in Japan are almost the same as MSc grads".

For most Chinese though, they have plans to return to China after some years here. PhD is highly regarded there and salaries are higher, but the competition is stiff. So, they get PhD here then work experience and later move back home to get higher positions. Well, such was the same for Nigerians during 2007-2014. Most did not even work in the UK after studies and returned to Nigeria immediately. But in 2015, they voted for a cattle rearer because he promised to pight kwarruption. Today, Teeside University dey pursue them upandown for failure to pay school fees!

Each time I remember 2015, I start laughing. Educated people campaigned and voted that calamity called Buhari. As they say, the rest is history

tosinhtml:


Lemme understand well, is the argument about Chile vs EU? I mean, are we comparing one country to the whole of EU. Maybe that is one mistake we are making. We should perhaps compare Chile with one particular EU country instead.

If you have an EU passport, you can work as an independent contractor and earn like 150k Euros. For those that do not posses a passport, they manage the 50k Euros annual job like that. Immigrants have no choice than to take what they are given.

Tax is also high, Germany has the highest tax system that I know on paper. Funny as it sounds. UK has a lower tax system and higher pay than all of EU except Switzerland. If you have a UK passport and work as a contractor, you can easily become a millionaire in 3 years.

At the bold, millionaire in Pounds or Naira ?
Nna eh, that means my bros is wealthy!!! He's a UK citizen, an independent contractor, and a .NET/enterprise software engineer. But but he want to make life very very comfortable for me in Nigeria without me thinking of traveling abroad after telling me to learn c#. Bros I no want, I wan travel.
By the way, I am a React front-end developer & Django backend developer as well, but more proficient in Reactjs. Abeg I dey look for visa sponsorship job.

Gerrard59:


Yeah. The residency permit is hard even for white Europeans, so imagine how it is for blacks, especially black Africans. Swiss immigration laws discriminate across regions. It charges more residency fees for black Africans compared to say Americans. So, those blacks there might be those who have citizenship in an EU country. But yes, Switzerland is the go-to country for higher salaries in Europe. As with every high earning place, it attracts a lot of qualified applicants.

NGOs are largely different because they are either affiliated with UN-sister organisations and transfers are common. Also, they don't employ a lot compared to the real industry.

And one thing that is common in EEA countries is that, they are lenient regarding residency of another member of EEA, that is if you are living in a Schengen country for like 2 or 3 years, when you move to another Schengen country, yours previous duration of stay will count in the new Schengen country and you can get PR or Citizenship very fast. And EU blue card is also very nice and it makes Migration from one EU country to another very easy including Switzerland.

Mrjuice:

At the bold, millionaire in Pounds or Naira ?
Nna eh, that means my bros is wealthy!!! He's a UK citizen, an independent contractor, and a .NET/enterprise software engineer. But but he want to make life very very comfortable for me in Nigeria without me thinking of traveling abroad after telling me to learn c#. Bros I no want, I wan travel.
By the way, I am a React front-end developer & Django backend developer as well, but more proficient in Reactjs. Abeg I dey look for visa sponsorship job.

Well, your brother is saying the truth. C#, .NET core framework is a good skill to have. There are plenty opportunities out there. I believe if you learn it, you will always find things to do.

Gerrard59:


Impressive to read. Having the skills is the koko. The developed world is willing to hire and pay someone regardless of origin, looks, skin colour etc., provided the person is skilled. Well, that is how they stay developed - meritocracy.

I am curious, do you know anything about Switzerland and the blacks working in non-UN affiliated/NGO organisations?

You just stated the real fact. Just having a valuable skill that people are will to pay for is the real deal. That is the main fact OP is failing to acknowledge. Just last week I attended a virtual job fair with ASML Netherlands. I saw lots of Nigerians doing really cool stuffs at ASML.

I accept that traveling to Chile is a great choice for OP and I am sincerely really happy he is doing well because he is a testimony that hard work and resilience along with great strategy pays. But what he fails to acknowledge is that he is highly skilled and an average Chilean would not be opened to the type of opportunities he his opened to.

People are making in in different part of the world, it has more to do with how valuable you are as a human being, then the location you are based.

tensazangetsu20:


True Sha. There's even a Nigerian I know in china who is an engineering manager at italki. That's one of the largest tech companies in china. If you have value to offer you will survive in any good country. Me na US be my final destination Sha and unfortunately only 5 countries in this world offer a valid pathway to working in the US based on the citizenship of those countries and Chile is one of them.

You don finally acknowledge the fact wish you more wins man, you are an inspiration to a lot of guys out there.

Lordbinsmar:


You just stated the real fact. Just having a valuable skill that people are will to pay for is the real deal. That is the main fact OP is failing to acknowledge. Just last week I attended a virtual job fair with ASML Netherlands. I saw lots of Nigerians doing really cool stuffs at ASML.

I accept that traveling to Chile is a great choice for OP and I am sincerely really happy he is doing well because he is a testimony that hard work and resilience along with great strategy pays. But what he fails to acknowledge is that he is highly skilled and an average Chilean would not be opened to the type of opportunities he his opened to.

People are making in in different part of the world, it has more to do with how valuable you are as a human being, then the location you are based.

The bold is very impressive! Kudos to those folks. In fact, I once discussed with my tech bro friend the possibility of working for TSMC Japan's operations, but he does not fancy working in companies with an East Asian work culture. His company founder and CEO is Japanese (born and bred) but with a Western-style mentality.

OP has actually acknowledged that it is a skill-set issue, not necessarily location. However, his argument regarding Chile is how it was easier to move there and the immigration policies compared to most European countries. The Netherlands which you referenced is now against international students and even mooted a policy to have both undergraduate and postgraduate courses in Dutch rather than English. Heck, the Netherlands does not have an embassy in Nigeria.

If you could go back to earlier pages, I outlined the various European countries and their immigration policies targeted at African countries regardless of how positive the motive is for emigrating to those places. So for him, he is skilled and the country is favourable. Most importantly, it offers him a clear and less competitive route to work in the US. To add, he has recommended the country for tech bros and sis who are SINGLE and YOUNG. So, as you can see, he is very realistic, honest and straightforward compared to say those who recommend Germany but are silent about the visa date backlogs or UK but the lack of invites for even techies with solid work experience.

For those of you already in the EU, it makes sense if one is skilled. For those wanting to go there, immigration policies as of now supersede skill-set.

tensazangetsu20:


True Sha. There's even a Nigerian I know in china who is an engineering manager at italki. That's one of the largest tech companies in china. If you have value to offer you will survive in any good country. Me na US be my final destination Sha and unfortunately only 5 countries in this world offer a valid pathway to working in the US based on the citizenship of those countries and Chile is one of them.

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