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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Phiniter(m): 7:25pm On Jun 09
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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by seunowa(f): 7:30pm On Jun 09
Paystack:

Wole Soyinka has no popular work.

An average lover of literature doesn't know any of Soyinka's works .

He just kept spamming people with 2 pages of books every month when he was actively smoking cannabis and sniffing cocaine.

It was same period he founded cultism in Nigeria.


In a civilized country he just have been sentenced long ago
grin grin grin grin
Both are great in their field of endeavors. One channelled his works on story- telling which he did brilliantly while the other one embraces all genre of literature such as poem , prose , playwright, drama etc.
Soyinka's works are not all meant for secondary school students because they lack cognitive prerequisite to convey its meanings but for professors and advanced learners in higher institutions.
Soyinka is far apart from Achebe just as advanced chemistry text books is far apart from Ababio chemistry for secondary school students.
Saying the writer of Ababio chemistry for secondary school is more knowledgeable than the writer of advanced chemistry for higher institutions is just absolute absurdity.
Popularity and simplicity of one's works don't win Nobel prize award but inherent intelligence does.
This was exactly what the committee on Nobel prize saw in Soyinka's works.
I just think Achebe should have been given bestseller award.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Paystack: 7:33pm On Jun 09
seunowa:
Very gullible people
It is just shameful comparing a mere story teller to an epitome and embodiment of all literature genre.
He's better than your cultist with local based works

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Verbtips(m): 7:52pm On Jun 09
mrvitalis:
The greatest book written by a black man is Things fall apart

Nothing comes close
my aunty husband love this story die,that one na dier own sha me na to mix hydrogen and oxygen to give h20grin

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Afamsi: 8:12pm On Jun 09
seunowa:
Very gullible people
It is just shameful comparing a mere story teller to an epitome and embodiment of all literature genre.
you should be ashamed, supporting someone that is a "Jack of all Trade Master of None"

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by maestroferddi: 8:33pm On Jun 09
Putinofrussia:
Achebe was just a mere story teller.
Soyinka is more of a genius.
This is Soyinka's showcase:
Plays

Keffi's Birthday Treat (1954)
The Invention (1957)
The Swamp Dwellers (1958)
A Quality of Violence (1959)[134]
The Lion and the Jewel (1959)
The Trials of Brother Jero (1960)
A Dance of the Forests (1960)
My Father's Burden (1960)
The Strong Breed (1964)
Before the Blackout (1964)
Kongi's Harvest (1964)
The Road (1965)
Madmen and Specialists (1970)
The Bacchae of Euripides (1973)
Camwood on the Leaves (1973)
Jero's Metamorphosis (1973)
Death and the King's Horseman (1975)
Opera Wonyosi (1977)
Requiem for a Futurologist (1983)
A Play of Giants (1984)
Childe Internationale (1987)[135][136]
From Zia with Love (1992)
The Detainee (radio play)
A Scourge of Hyacinths (radio play)
The Beatification of the Area Boy (1996)
Document of Identity (radio play, 1999)
King Baabu (2001)
Etiki Revu Wetin
Alapata Apata (2011)
"Thus Spake Orunmila" (in Sixty-Six Books (2011)


Novels

The Interpreters (1965)
Season of Anomy (1973)
Chronicles from the Land of the Happiest People on Earth (Bookcraft, Nigeria; Bloomsbury, UK; Pantheon, US, 2021)[138][139]
Harmattan Haze on an African Spring
Short stories

A Tale of Two (1958)
Egbe's Sworn Enemy (1960)
Madame Etienne's Establishment (1960)
Memoirs

The Man Died: Prison Notes (1972)
Aké: The Years of Childhood (1981)
Ibadan: The Penkelemes Years: a memoir 1945–1965 (1989)
Ìsarà: A Voyage around Essay (1989)
You Must Set Forth at Dawn (2006)
Climate of Fear (Literature) (2005)
Poetry collections

Telephone Conversation (1963) (appeared in Modern Poetry in Africa)
Idanre and other poems (1967)
A Big Airplane Crashed into The Earth (original title Poems from Prison) (1969)
A Shuttle in the Crypt (1971)
Ogun Abibiman (1976)
Mandela's Earth and other poems (1988)
Early Poems (1997)
Samarkand and Other Markets I Have Known (2002)
Essays

"Towards a True Theater" (1962)
Culture in Transition (1963)
Neo-Tarzanism: The Poetics of Pseudo-Transition
A Voice That Would Not Be Silenced
Art, Dialogue, and Outrage: Essays on Literature and Culture (1988)
From Drama and the African World View (1976)
Myth, Literature, and the African World (1976)
The Blackman and the Veil (1990)[141]
The Credo of Being and Nothingness (1991)
The Burden of Memory – The Muse of Forgiveness (1999)
A Climate of Fear (the BBC Reith Lectures 2004, audio and transcripts)
New Imperialism (2009)
Of Africa (2012)[143]
Beyond Aesthetics: Use, Abuse, and Dissonance in African Art Traditions (2019)

Films

Kongi's Harvest
Culture in Transition
Blues for a Prodigal
Translations

The Forest of a Thousand Demons: A Hunter's Saga (1968; a translation of D. O. Fagunwa's Ògbójú Ọdẹ nínú Igbó Irúnmalẹ̀)
In the Forest of Olodumare (2010; a translation of D. O. Fagunwa's Igbo Olodumare)
..

You can compile a book with your facetious list but tell me which of the works you listed can hold a candle to:

Things Fall Apart;

Arrow of God;

No Longer At Ease...?

We are talking about Things Fall Apart which has been listed among the 100 greatest novels of all time and you are showing mass production most of which never went beyond the University of Ibadan theatre gallery...

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by seunowa(f): 8:38pm On Jun 09
[quote author=Afamsi post=130388012] you should be ashamed, supporting someone that is a "Jack of all Trade Master of None"[/quote
Laughable comment....A Nobel prize award winner is a master of none....Obviously you have dead intellectual faculty. You lack capacity to understand great works.
Your school needs to answer some questions.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by senatordave1(m): 8:41pm On Jun 09
mrvitalis:
The greatest book written by a black man is Things fall apart

Nothing comes close

I want to have this argument with you.my brother,if Achebe was the best,he would have won the laureate.but do you know that I rate Cyprian ekwensi higher than Achebe? Cc fergie001, immaculatejoe

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by maestroferddi: 9:00pm On Jun 09
seunowa:

grin grin grin grin
Both are great in their field of endeavors. One channelled his works on story- telling which he did brilliantly while the other one embraces all genre of literature such as poem , prose , playwright, drama etc.
Soyinka's works are not all meant for secondary school students because they lack cognitive prerequisite to convey its meanings but for professors and advanced learners in higher institutions.
Soyinka is far apart from Achebe just as advanced chemistry text books is far apart from Ababio chemistry for secondary school students.
Saying the writer of Ababio chemistry for secondary school is more knowledgeable than the writer of advanced chemistry for higher institutions is just absolute absurdity.
Popularity and simplicity of one's works don't win Nobel prize award but inherent intelligence does.
This was exactly what the committee on Nobel prize saw in Soyinka's works.
I just think Achebe should have been given bestseller award.
You are clearly a literary novice else you wouldnt have written such verbiage...

Who are the gold standards of literary genius?

From Shakespeare to Charles Dickens, From Mark Twain to William Thackeray, from Milton to Cerventes, from Victor Hugo to name them: Tolkien, Tolstoy, one key feature of a good book is its readability...

No serious-minded literary appreciator wastes their time on 'sick' literary hodgepodge...

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Putinofrussia: 9:16pm On Jun 09
maestroferddi:
You can compile a book with your facetious list but tell me which of the works you listed can hold a candle to:

Things Fall Apart;

Arrow of God;

No Longer At Ease...?

We are talking about Things Fall Apart which has been listed among the 100 greatest novels of all time and you are showing mass production most of which never went beyond the University of Ibadan theatre gallery...

Achebe was a mere story teller.
He is a tales by moonlight presenter not worthy to lace the shoes of a Nobel laureate like Prof Wole Soyinka.
If Achebe lived 150 years,a baby like him cannot win the Nobel laureate.
You can cry us a drum of tears. cheesy

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Faber(m): 9:17pm On Jun 09
Senioreddy:
Mehn guy you dey yarn wella.

Ngugi wa Thiongo
Cyprian Ekwensi
Mongo Beti
Buchi Emecheta
Aye Kwei Armah

These are the real scholars.
Nigeria today is a replica of 'The beautiful ones are not yet born'. I also know that one day what happened to the political elites in that novel, will happen in Nigeria.

I will never forget the work of Cyprain Ekwensi " The Passport of Mallam Ilia" Omo that book gave me first hand insight of the Fulanis.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Legalaffairs(m): 9:38pm On Jun 09
Putinofrussia:

If you are good,you are good.
The truth is Achebe was a great man but he was lesser to the Nobel Laureatte,Wole Soyinka.
Achebe was a small baby compared to Professor Wole Soyinka, his father.

Nobody will be surprised by how you and your likes, whether by race, region or tribe think upside down. We are here today because you jettisoned your empty skull and did the thinking with your smelly anus. What else won't you do for the sake of tribe and region?

Last last Ebin know where it pawa.

Soyinka is no place near Achebe. The reasonable ones are aware. We don't count the position of your type in issue like this. You type has been profiled

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by raskymonojendor: 9:39pm On Jun 09
Even the prolific writer, Chimamanda, gave Soyinka the flowers. She knows no one comes close to Prof Soyinka in literature in Nigeria. Soyinka's works are advanced university level stuff for brilliant minds. Similar to the likes of advanced stuff from einstein and other Nobel laureate. Low IQ people find them hard to understand.

The only book I read of Achebe was Chike and the river in primary school where he portrayed Ibo people as lowly people that needed Lagos to survive.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by raskymonojendor: 9:46pm On Jun 09
seunowa:

grin grin grin grin
Both are great in their field of endeavors. One channelled his works on story- telling which he did brilliantly while the other one embraces all genre of literature such as poem , prose , playwright, drama etc.

Soyinka's works are not all meant for secondary school students because they lack cognitive prerequisite to convey its meanings but for professors and advanced learners in higher institutions.

Soyinka is far apart from Achebe just as advanced chemistry text books is far apart from Ababio chemistry for secondary school students.
Saying the writer of Ababio chemistry for secondary school is more knowledgeable than the writer of advanced chemistry for higher institutions is just absolute absurdity.
Popularity and simplicity of one's works don't win Nobel prize award but inherent intelligence does.
This was exactly what the committee on Nobel prize saw in Soyinka's works.

I just think Achebe should have been given bestseller award.
Exactly.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by raskymonojendor: 9:49pm On Jun 09
Sccarrr:
Chukwudis and jealousy, if na dem mistakenly win that noble prize ehn, we for no hear word again 😹😹........Useless illiterates trying to demean the biggest and most prestigious award in the world cos no b dia ppl win am, if e easy make una run am na.. haters!

One pained , illiterate, Bitter Obi ppl even said this...


That's like the most stupid statement ever in the history of the world 😹
They would soon try to gaslight you that the committee of the Nobel laureate awards hate Ibo people. 😂

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by maestroferddi: 10:08pm On Jun 09
raskymonojendor:
Even the prolific writer, Chimamanda, gave Soyinka the flowers. She knows no one comes close to Prof Soyinka in literature in Nigeria. Soyinka's works are advanced university level stuff for brilliant minds. Similar to the likes of advanced stuff from einstein and other Nobel laureate. Low IQ people find them hard to understand.

The only book I read of Achebe was Chike and the river in primary school where he portrayed Ibo people as lowly people that needed Lagos to survive.
We are talking literature here and not "on your mandate" asinine praise singing so it will serve you better to stick to what you know.

Chimamanda considers Chinua Achebe the greatest literary icon to emerge from Africa. I know you and your types cannot read even if your life depends on it or else you wouldnt have disingenuously pasted a mere picture of an Igbo trail-blazer who already has become a global star paying simple courtesy and obeisance to a man old enough to be her father ...

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Antivirus92(m): 10:15pm On Jun 09
raskymonojendor:
Even the prolific writer, Chimamanda, gave Soyinka the flowers. She knows no one comes close to Prof Soyinka in literature in Nigeria. Soyinka's works are advanced university level stuff for brilliant minds. Similar to the likes of advanced stuff from einstein and other Nobel laureate. Low IQ people find them hard to understand.

The only book I read of Achebe was Chike and the river in primary school where he portrayed Ibo people as lowly people that needed Lagos to survive.
so chimamanda is now a prolific writer? Just because she praised the unpopular cultist?
Make sure you hold onto this your stance tomorrow when the topic changes.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by gistray: 10:17pm On Jun 09
Senioreddy:
Mehn guy you dey yarn wella.

Ngugi wa Thiongo
Cyprian Ekwensi
Mongo Beti
Buchi Emecheta
Aye Kwei Armah

These are the real scholars.
Nigeria today is a replica of 'The beautiful ones are not yet born'. I also know that one day what happened to the political elites in that novel, will happen in Nigeria.

Funny enough the website you culled this people from ranked Achebe number 1 😂

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Qadaffi2idiamin: 10:19pm On Jun 09
Very unfair to create such a thread filled with hate.

Whoever created this thread should pull it down.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Stone03: 10:35pm On Jun 09
ObaOfBeninNahMu:
Who is comparing Wole Soyinka (free born) to one useless Godforaaken Osu born chinua achebe (of cursed memory)?


Na only 'mgbati mgbati' wide mouth you get. The OP has laid down convincing points, let's here yours of your cursed ideas

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by maestroferddi: 10:46pm On Jun 09
raskymonojendor:

They would soon try to gaslight you that the committee of the Nobel laureate awards hate Ibo people. 😂
Ogbeni leave this place and read!

What transpired between Chinua Achebe and the Academy which confers the Nobel Prize is not secret....He is not the only figure who was overlooked in what he should have won effortlessly.

You think the Nobel Prize in Literature is the beginning and end of existence because you are technically a what is termed an intellectual philistine and literary dinosaur.

Google up recent winners of the award and you will see writers in such genres like children's books and even song writing which is making the prize more or less a mockery.

Bob Dylan won the prize in 2016 for writing lyrics of songs and yret you appear ready to kill yourself on top of ...

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by raskymonojendor: 10:49pm On Jun 09
Qadaffi2idiamin:
Very unfair to create such a thread filled with hate.

Whoever created this thread should pull it down.
It was the same hate, bitterness, and anger achiebe took to his grave. It's encoded in their genes.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Goodvibes007: 10:53pm On Jun 09
raskymonojendor:

They would soon try to gaslight you that the committee of the Nobel laureate awards hate Ibo people. 😂
They were spreading some foolish rumour on their whassap group that Soyinka won the Nobel because other African writers were protesting. Can you imagine that nonsense. LMAO.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by EmperorCaesar(m): 10:54pm On Jun 09
Ogonimilitant:
Soyinka, a men that can not even control his family should not be taken seriously.
It's about their exploits as writers and not their personal life...nobody cares about that

But as per Igbo wey u be, u no get sense reach that one to comprehend the thread

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by JohnnA1: 10:54pm On Jun 09
seunowa:

grin grin grin grin
Both are great in their field of endeavors. One channelled his works on story- telling which he did brilliantly while the other one embraces all genre of literature such as poem , prose , playwright, drama etc.
Soyinka's works are not all meant for secondary school students because they lack cognitive prerequisite to convey its meanings but for professors and advanced learners in higher institutions.
Soyinka is far apart from Achebe just as advanced chemistry text books is far apart from Ababio chemistry for secondary school students.
Saying the writer of Ababio chemistry for secondary school is more knowledgeable than the writer of advanced chemistry for higher institutions is just absolute absurdity.
Popularity and simplicity of one's works don't win Nobel prize award but inherent intelligence does.
This was exactly what the committee on Nobel prize saw in Soyinka's works.
I just think Achebe should have been given bestseller award.
Brilliant comment.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Goodvibes007: 10:55pm On Jun 09
JohnnA1:
Brilliant comment.
Absolute brilliant.

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Jamie248: 10:56pm On Jun 09
Kk

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by EmperorCaesar(m): 10:56pm On Jun 09
kettykin:
Chat GPT can surpass all of Soyinka's work in 24 hours . It is not about quantity but quality, how many of your books are selling outside ibadan Lagos market

So it's the quantity that got him the Nobel Prize

😱

sir,please, just stick to local forum like this,no go disgrace Nigeria for international fora like Quora or Reddit

Like we are talking about the Nobel Prize here

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by EmperorCaesar(m): 10:59pm On Jun 09
mrvitalis:

There has never been a time Noble price has been used to determine best in any field at all

Stephen Hawkings is the best physicists in the last 100 years he never won it

Some people win it by accidental discoveries

Didn't Marie and Pierre Curie win the prize?
How about Einstein?
Tesla?

So whats your claim exactly

And how's Hawkings ahead of Tesla and Einstein??

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by EmperorCaesar(m): 11:02pm On Jun 09
Afamsi:
you should be ashamed, supporting someone that is a "Jack of all Trade Master of None"

How's he a master of none if he finally won the Nobel Prize

The good news is that Igbos opinion don't count in matters like this....so the world doesn't care

Your opinion ends here on NL
The world thinks otherwise of him

Wail on bro cheesy cheesy cheesy

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Re: Chinua Achebe VS Wole Soyinka by Goodvibes007: 11:05pm On Jun 09
Genius level stuff.

Prof Wole Soyinka was awarded the 1986 Nobel Prize in Literature for his "wide cultural perspective and... poetic overtones fashioning the drama of existence",the first sub-Saharan African to be honoured in that category

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