bemeruca:


you are not against freedom of speech but you are against freedom of speech. your confusion is still high and we need to reduce it.

I was going to preface my response with, "I avoid you like the plague, but let me answer you all the same", knowing you lack the intellectual ability to comprehend my response, and here you are with your maths is racist, again.

budaatum:


I was going to preface my response with, "I avoid you like the plague, but let me answer you all the same", knowing you lack the intellectual ability to comprehend my response, and here you are with your maths is racist, again.

why throw in Alex Jones? you are speaking in general that the UK doesn't have the silly thing called freedom of speech
you are deflecting. we know the stupid here is you who go around claiming you have a womb and the government should stay out of it, who is claiming women don't have equal rights as men in 2024 because your Gen-Z virus is acting. you are a champion for abortion, you are a champion of the feminist movement but not a champion of common sense.

basilico:


I said govt funds should not be used, I didn't say they are.

And you now know that government funds are not being used and have not been used since 1980.

Or did you read somewhere that I was asking for government funds to abort that stupid idiot who doesn't know the difference between 'my body my choice' and his stinky mouth impinging with his lies on my liberty to enjoy my life?

If so, then yes, I'll take all the government help offered and some if it ends up with the stupid idiot aborted.

UK has Freedom of Speech. Its just not the same as what Americans would like to claim they have, and as Alex Jones is finding he hasn't, you dullard.

Damn, I even sat in a New York court and put a gag order on dump so he knows his speech isn't as free as he thinks it is. But all that is obviously too complicated for your tiny mind.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/human-rights/human-rights-act/article-10-freedom-expression

budaatum:

UK has Freedom of Speech. Its just not the same as what Americans would like to claim they have, and as Alex Jones is finding he hasn't, you dullard.

Damn, I even sat in a New York court and put a gag order on dump so he knows his speech isn't as free as he thinks it is. But all that is obviously too complicated for your tiny mind.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/human-rights/human-rights-act/article-10-freedom-expression

One moment UK does not have freedom of speech, and another moment they have. One moment America has freedom of speech, another moment they don't have freedom of speech and another moment their freedom of speech is different from the UK.

budaatum:

The US has the silly notion of freedom of speech, and guns, both of which we definitely thankfully don't have. Would you like to migrate here perhaps?

Americans have gun rights, they are allowed to defend themselves with it. they are not allowed to threaten or hurt others with it.
their free speech rights allow them to criticize the government, religion, etc. You are not allowed to use it to hurt others just like guns are not allowed.

In the UK, if you criticize Islam on Twitter you will be arrested.
you are claiming to have free speech in the UK after you claimed you don't have it in the UK.

budaatum:


And you now know that government funds are not being used and have not been used since 1980.

Or did you read somewhere that I was asking for government funds to abort that stupid idiot who doesn't know the difference between 'my body my choice' and his stinky mouth impinging with his lies on my liberty to enjoy my life?

If so, then yes, I'll take all the government help offered and some if it ends up with the stupid idiot aborted.

I notice uou cleverly ignored my top three pro abortionists.
Never mind

It is far too complex for your tiny maths is racist mind, so I'll just leave you to it.

Lots of Lithium discovered. Capable of supplying 40% of America Lithium needs. It's been found in the waste byproducts of fracking.
Will climate change activists support this green energy vital source obtained from fossil fuels fracking?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/major-lithium-discovery-fracking-wastewater-080028818.html

basilico:


I notice uou cleverly ignored my top three pro abortionists.
Never mind

Have you not noticed I ignore a lot of what you write? I even told you that if you say the sky is blue I'd go check its not red. That's how little credibility you have left with me, though I hope you notice it is still far more than what that stupid ignorant idiot has.

What, pray tell, has epstein and pimps got to do with my body my choice? Would making abortions illegal stop those criminals from doing crime?

budaatum:
It is far too complex for your tiny maths is racist mind, so I'll just leave you to it.

don't mistake complexity for confusion

budaatum:

The US has the silly notion of freedom of speech, and guns, both of which we definitely thankfully don't have. Would you like to migrate here perhaps?

budaatum:

UK has Freedom of Speech.

which is it?

I was discussing with a Harvard educated individual and not a stupid uneducated dunce like you.

See how he understood what I had to say, while you possibly can't and never will.

budaatum:
I was discussing with a Harvard educated individual and not a stupid uneducated dunce like you.

See how he understood what I had to say, while you possibly can't and never will.

budaatum:

The US has the silly notion of freedom of speech, and guns, both of which we definitely thankfully don't have. Would you like to migrate here perhaps?

the notion of free speech and guns is silly
you claim in the UK you don't have that notion. later you claimed you have that notion of free speech in the UK but it is different from the US after you have also claimed Americans don't have freedom of speech.
[Put all the definition of the words you want to use for semantics here]

budaatum:


And then we fought a war. And slavery is not even left to a country these days not to talk of a state.

Slaves couldn't just up from those states and go to states where there were free people like I can take my body out of a state that wants to own my choice, so sorry, I don't see them as being the same thing. When they run after me and jail me for my choice, we can equate them then.

In fact, I would love those who want to own my body to be stupid and jail me for my choice so I can Rosa Park their stupid asses or even go to war, though I feel the majority would vote them out long before then or a Biden might put my body my choice in to the constitution.

In fact, the way the world is currently leaning, I wouldn't be surprised if one day in the future, my body my choice isn't eventually a right enshrined in the world constitution just like antislavery is. I just hope its sooner rather than not soon.

I think some of your privilege is coloring your argument. Not everyone can afford to just get up and leave where they are living for a short term or even a longer term. And some states are trying to actively prevent their residents from leaving to have abortions.

Good article
The Fall of Roe: You Thought Dobbs Was Bad? They’re Coming for Brown v. Board
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fall-roe-thought-dobbs-bad-030450771.html

Budaatum, this is what we were talking about. The same kind of thinking is still prevalent in regards to the Supreme Court. That somehow it will all work out.

The Democratic presidential nominee in 2016 acknowledges that her party underestimated its adversaries, but doesn’t point the finger at herself.
“We didn’t take it seriously, and we didn’t understand the threat,” Clinton said. “We could have done more to fight.”
“I just think that most of us who support the rights of women and privacy and the right to make these difficult decisions yourself, you know, we just couldn’t believe what was happening.”
“Our side was complacent and kind of taking it for granted and thinking it would never go away.”

Brown v. Board seems to be next. It's clear from Alito's comments and Thomas's recent comments. I don't care about Basilico or Bemeruca cheering it on, they don't live in the US. But, people like raumdeuter who have actual things to lose? It's sad.

Which all brings us back to Brown v. Board of Education and where the right goes next.
In Justice on Trial, an examination of Brett Kavanaugh’s elevation to the Supreme Court, conservative talking heads Carrie Severino, of JCN, and Mollie Hemingway, of the Federalist, trashed Brown.
According to Severino and Hemingway, social science wrongly played a role in the court’s calculus. They declared that such decisions “may have been correct in their result but were decided on the basis of sociological studies rather than legal principles.”
Notice the word “may.”
Fast forward to May 2024, when Thomas—who joined Alito’s opinion in Dobbs—turned his fire on Brown.
“Such extravagant uses of judicial power are at odds with the history and tradition of the equity power and the Framers’ design,” he wrote in a concurrence, sustaining a South Carolina congressional map in the face of voting rights challenge.

ijebosb:
Good article
The Fall of Roe: You Thought Dobbs Was Bad? They’re Coming for Brown v. Board
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fall-roe-thought-dobbs-bad-030450771.html

Budaatum, this is what we were talking about. The same kind of thinking is still prevalent in regards to the Supreme Court. That somehow it will all work out.



Brown v. Board seems to be next. It's clear from Alito's comments and Thomas's recent comments. I don't care about Basilico or Bemeruca cheering it on, they don't live in the US. But, people like raumdeuter who have actual things to lose? It's sad.

A loser like you is worried about losing

ijebosb:


I think some of your privilege is coloring your argument. Not everyone can afford to just get up and leave where they are living for a short term or even a longer term. And some states are trying to actively prevent their residents from leaving to have abortions.

My privilege, lol. Will those states kidnap pregnant women who want to abort but don't tell the state?

Banning abortions has consequences. Some will abandon their newborns or even kill them or be killed by their foetus. And many people wouldn't choose those states to live or work or set up businesses there, which will bankrupt those states. Then we'll see how those states handle the consequences.

Point is, if the majority in the state don't like abortion bans, they can vote out abortion ban legislatures and vote in pro-abortion legislatures. And if anti-abortionist are the majority, well those against get to live with it or campaign to change the leaders or move elsewhere.

We will keep records of those who die from their unaborted foetus because they were denied the healthcare that may have prevented them from dying.

ijebosb:
Good article
The Fall of Roe: You Thought Dobbs Was Bad? They’re Coming for Brown v. Board
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fall-roe-thought-dobbs-bad-030450771.html

Budaatum, this is what we were talking about. The same kind of thinking is still prevalent in regards to the Supreme Court. That somehow it will all work out.



Brown v. Board seems to be next. It's clear from Alito's comments and Thomas's recent comments. I don't care about Basilico or Bemeruca cheering it on, they don't live in the US. But, people like raumdeuter who have actual things to lose? It's sad.

See what the article described as the consequence of abolishing Roe v Wade.

"In the 2022 midterms, Dobbs cost the Republicans their “red wave.” In 2024, it may lead to another Trump loss and Democrats retaking the House. Right now, things are that close."

What do you think would happen if they abolish Brown v. Board? Would your alma segregate?

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bemeruca:


the notion of free speech and guns is silly
you claim in the UK you don't have that notion. later you claimed you have that notion of free speech in the UK but it is different from the US

You are dumb.

Dump can't get away in UK with a lot of the stuff he says about others. Alex Jones wouldn't even be allowed to broadcast his nonsense here, and that's because UK does not have the notion (go read the meaning again) of free speech that USA has, so of course it is different.

budaatum:


You are dumb.

Dump can't get away in UK with a lot of the stuff he says about others. Alex Jones wouldn't even be allowed to broadcast his nonsense here, and that's because UK does not have the notion (go read the meaning again) of free speech that USA has, so of course it is different.

you are confused. make up your mind.

budaatum:

US has the silly notion of freedom of speech, and guns, both of which we definitely thankfully don't have. Would you like to migrate here perhaps?

Of course, he can't get away, He is not the right time for victims or minority groups. the funny part is, you and your fellow degenerate will complain when Putin does the same thing but you and the likes of Putin are very alike.
UK police arrested a man for causing anxiety. He posted a meme on Twitter while the Great City of London is becoming shit for actual crime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0dWm0i1cI

the same way you have been supporting child grooming.

JK Rowling challenged police to arrest her for her free speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqS7js568-Q


ALSO, I AM CALLING YOU OUT FOR CALLING NOTION OF FREE SPEECH SILLY. I KNOW THE UK DOES NOT HAVE FREE SPEECH. I AM ALSO CALLING YOU OUT FOR SAYING THE UK DOES HAVE FREE SPEECH AT ONE MOMENT, AND AT ANOTHER MOMENT THEY DON'T HAVE FREE SPEECH. Now if you are talking about Notion, you should speak for yourself. don't speak for the entire US and UK

budaatum:


My privilege, lol. Will those states kidnap pregnant women who want to abort but don't tell the state?

Banning abortions has consequences. Some will abandon their newborns or even kill them or be killed by their foetus. And many people wouldn't choose those states to live or work or set up businesses there, which will bankrupt those states. Then we'll see how those states handle the consequences.

Point is, if the majority in the state don't like abortion bans, they can vote out abortion ban legislatures and vote in pro-abortion legislatures. And if anti-abortionist are the majority, well those against get to live with it or campaign to change the leaders or move elsewhere.

We will keep records of those who die from their unaborted foetus because they were denied the healthcare that may have prevented them from dying.

Many states have put abortion on the ballot and the anti abortion laws lost even in deep red Kansas

So taking it to the state has been a good thing, In states where they want abortion they are supporting it with their votes and making it into law. Which is the essence of democracy

raumdeuter:


Many states have put abortion on the ballot and the anti abortion laws lost even in deep red Kansas

So taking it to the state has been a good thing, In states where they want abortion they are supporting it with their votes and making it into law. Which is the essence of democracy

these people want autocracy or dictatorship.

raumdeuter:


Many states have put abortion on the ballot and the anti abortion laws lost even in deep red Kansas

So taking it to the state has been a good thing, In states where they want abortion they are supporting it with their votes and making it into law. Which is the essence of democracy

This is exactly what I've been saying, that anti-abortion does not sell as well as some hoped.

Even dump is not selling it. And I doubt reintroducing segregation in schools would sell too.

bemeruca:


I KNOW THE UK DOES NOT HAVE FREE SPEECH.

UK does have freedom of expression. What we don't have is the freedom to go about telling lies and maligning others, which makes our notion of it very different to Americas.

If Marjorie Taylor Greene or you go about in UK telling the lies you both constantly tell about others, you'd both be treated like Alex Jones was.

budaatum:


UK does have freedom of expression. What we don't have is the freedom to go about telling lies and maligning others, which makes our notion of it very different to Americas.

If Marjorie Taylor Greene or you go about in UK telling the lies you both constantly tell about others, you'd both be treated like Alex Jones was.

Lmao. The videos below, According to you, the UK is heaven where all the people who tell lies cannot enter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqS7js568-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0dWm0i1cI

bemeruca:


Lmao. The videos below, According to you, the UK is heaven where all the people who tell lies cannot enter

Why are you so uneducated?

Is telling lies the same as telling lies about people and maligning them?

Is JK Rowling mentioning anyone?

Is posting swastikas not illegal in almost everywhere in Europe?

You really need to consider going to school and paying this time, because whatever free education you claim to have gotten did not teach you anything.

budaatum:


See what the article described as the consequence of abolishing Roe v Wade.

"In the 2022 midterms, Dobbs cost the Republicans their “red wave.” In 2024, it may lead to another Trump loss and Democrats retaking the House. Right now, things are that close."

What do you think would happen if they abolish Brown v. Board?

What would happen? That goes back to my point.. the Supreme Court. The Democrats may retake the House, but with the Filibuster in the Senate, they would need 60 votes to change anything. They don't have that.

The Right/Republicans have captured the Supreme Court. They have a 6-3 majority of unelected justices who seem not to be concerned about rules and ethics who have lifetime appointments.
So, why care about legislation where the Supreme Court can legislate from the Supreme Court? Why care about free elections where the Supreme Court can uphold things like racial gerrymandering, given Republicans seats they wouldn't have won. The Republicans don't need to care about these things anymore because they hold the Judicial branch that has accumulated power unto itself. And as long as they hold enough seats to make sure the Congress is not functional, not able to pass laws, they can just sit back and allow the Supreme Court to legislate from the bench. That's the reason the Dems have to get serious and take back the power the Supreme court has accumulated.

budaatum:
What do you think would happen if they abolish Brown v. Board? Would your alma segregate?

I understand and see my privilege. So whether my alma mater or similar schools segregate is not the issue. The issue is that will affect people without that privilege, people without the ability to make different choices. Just like the ending of Affirmative Action has already affected minority student admissions this year. The playing field is still not fair. Racism/Institutionalized racism is still alive. Talk to any successful minority. And this will affect those on the margins, making a more inclusive society further away.

You sometimes make it seem as if something has to directly affect/touch me for me to care.

Celtics 2-0

budaatum:


This is exactly what I've been saying, that anti-abortion does not sell as well as some hoped.

Even dump is not selling it. And I doubt reintroducing segregation in schools would sell too.

To me that's the ideal way to sort out things

There might be a state where the majority are anti abortion then good for them they should put it on ballot and see if they win. If they win no need forcing them to be pro abortion and vice versa as well

With abortion majority of the states where it has been put to vote have sided with abortion, this is a better process than just a fiat outlawing it one way or the other

budaatum:


Why are you so uneducated?

Is telling lies the same as telling lies about people and maligning them?

Is JK Rowling mentioning anyone?

Is posting swastikas not illegal in almost everywhere in Europe?

You really need to consider going to school and paying this time, because whatever free education you claim to have gotten did not teach you anything.

you tell me Compare your own words

budaatum:


UK does have freedom of expression. What we don't have is the freedom to go about telling lies and maligning others, which makes our notion of it very different to Americas.

If Marjorie Taylor Greene or you go about in UK telling the lies you both constantly tell about others, you'd both be treated like Alex Jones was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0dWm0i1cI
who did this man mentioned?

JK Rowling is a special case that proves you like autocracy.

what the man posted and JK is a clear example that you guys don't have freedom of speech. so do say you have it one moment and you don't another moment. the US you can post it on your property or your social media and no police will visit your house.

There is not a single lie JK Rowling has said and yet they wanted to arrest her.

Scotland’s Hate Crime Act may have done us all a favour
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The police have been swamped with thousands of complaints, many vexatious, all of which they are pledged to investigate. JK Rowling has blown the doors off with her ‘arrest me’ tweets, but the First Minister, Humza Yousaf, attracted more hate crime complaints in the first two days than she did. SNP Ministers like Siobhan Brown have been ridiculed for misrepresenting their own law.

So it may come as a surprise that I now think the HCA may have been a rather good thing. Indeed, it may inadvertently have liberalised free speech and exposed the progressive authoritarians who seem who dominate political life in Scotland.

The police are now clearly hesitant of arresting anyone for hate crime in case it becomes a huge public row and leads to court action by women’s groups. The act outlaws ‘stirring up hatred’ against transwomen but gives no similar protection to biological women.

France. Macron dissolves national parliament after winning 16% of the European parliament seats.
Le Penn party wins 32% .The other rightist party won 5%.

The media has been demonizing nationalist parties as far right parties, as if being far right is a crime.

Macron, Les Miserables. Do you hear the people sing.? Singing the songs of angry men.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojoC-Kbzpo8

basilico:
France. Macron dissolves national parliament after winning 16% of the European parliament seats.
Le Penn party wins 32% .The other rightist party won 5%.

The media has been demonizing nationalist parties as far right parties, as if being far right is a crime.

Macron, Les Miserables. Do you hear the people sing.? Singing the songs of an angry man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojoC-Kbzpo8

The people who preach to us every day how the Right or Far-Right want to murder democracy

bemeruca:


The people who preach to us every day how the Right or Far-Right want to murder democracy

The left. In order to save " our democracy" we jail our opponents, censor our critics and bankrupt right wing media houses.

Hat tip uprightnes100

https://www.nairaland.com/7506547/world-news-events-happening-around/959#130393593