achorladey:

Stop reading lies and manipulations into the scriptures. 1914 has nothing to do with Jesus Christ starting to rule. All those Matthew 24:4-8 has nothing to do with 1914.

Does all churches teach the same thing?
If not please can you present the only church teaching the truth?
After all you and i know that there are different teachings out there so calling one out of thousands LIES and MANIPULATION makes no sense since each has those believing it yet they aren't teaching the same thing!

MaxInDHouse:


Does all churches teach the same thing?
If not please can you present the only church teaching the truth?
After all you and i know that there are different teachings out there so calling one out of thousands LIES and MANIPULATION makes no sense since each has those believing it yet they aren't teaching the same thing!

Deflection and diversion tactics......

Does all churches teach the same thing?

Reality says they don't. Your religious denomination is part of them.

If not please can you present the only church teaching the truth?

The Bible nowhere tells you the church is the truth. So asking me to present the only church teaching the truth is asking me to join you in your lies and manipulations of the Bible and a means to deflect and divert from the fact that 1914 is not the truth from the Bible. 1914 has nothing to do with the Bible.

After all you and i know that there are different teachings out there

Good

so calling one out of thousands LIES and MANIPULATION makes no sense

No sense to you, not to me.

since each has those believing it yet they aren't teaching the same thing!

Does not change the fact that whatever they teach once it goes contrary to the what is stated in the bible it falls under lies and manipulations of the scriptures and that does not make 1914 correct as well.

achorladey:

Reality says they don't. Your religious denomination is part of them.

So are you saying all churches are teaching lies since they don't teach the same thing and you can't present one that's not lying?

MaxInDHouse:

So are you saying all churches are teaching lies since they don't teach the same thing and you can't present one that's not lying?

Still asking question. What did you read from the post you are responding to? You have answer already to this question. Now bring back what you read. I want to see it.

achorladey:

Still asking question. What did you read from the post you are responding to? You have answer already to this question. Now bring back what you read. I want to see it.

Well if thousands of religions are claiming they follow one man yet they're contradicting themselves in their teachings it's either they're all liars or one of them is the only true religion.

I have discovered the one teaching the truth among them that's why i'm teaching what they taught me so if you can't figure out the one that has the truth among them yet claiming they're all following the same man while contradicting themselves it simply means you're of the opinion that there is no truth anywhere!

MaxInDHouse:


Well if thousands of religions are claiming they follow one man yet they're contradicting themselves in their teachings it's either they're all liars or one of them is the only true religion.

I have discovered the one teaching the truth among them that's why i'm teaching what they taught me so if you can't figure out the one that has the truth among them yet claiming they're all following the same man while contradicting themselves it simply means you're of the opinion that there is no truth anywhere!

Simple instruction you cannot follow. That's Do what you were asked first, no way.

Well if thousands of religions are claiming they follow one man yet they're contradicting themselves in their teachings it's either they're all liars or one of them is the only true religion.

The bold is where you want to sit and peddle more lies and manipulations packed into your brains. Following Jesus is different from Jehovah's Witnesses contradicting Deeper life. Spot the difference. True religion is not defined in being a Jehovah’s witness or being a deeper life. Spot the difference.

I have discovered the one teaching the truth among them that's why i'm teaching what they taught me so

I have shown you evidence where they wrote clearly they were teaching lies and members are forced to accept lies as truth and contradicting their very own teachings and doctrines and those of other religious denominations.

so if you can't figure out the one that has the truth among them yet claiming they're all following the same man while contradicting themselves it simply means you're of the opinion that there is no truth anywhere

None of them is the truth. Nowhere did your Bible ever say a religious denomination or organization is the truth. When your religious organization tells you, you are in the truth. It is as good as telling you, you are in their organization. Your religious organization is among the thousands contradicting themselves. I have repeatedly told you the truth is not any religious organization. The Bible you carry never teach any of such. Saying truth is nowhere is denying the air and showing ignorance that you breathe in and out this very moment.

achorladey:

Simple instruction you cannot follow. That's Do what you were asked first, no way.

Hmmmmmmmmmm, please who are you that i should follow your instruction?

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmm, please who are you that i should follow your instruction?

Respect is reciprocal right and do on to others what you want others to do to you?

I keep your question inside bookmarks

achorladey:

Respect is reciprocal right and do on to others what you want others to do to you?
I keep your question inside bookmarks

Ọmọ i was really arrogant and saucy but with the attitude of Jehovah's Witnesses i felt really bad that i began reciprocating to their respectful attitude.

Of course the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses respected me fully by sending their members to come and preach to me and they proved to be RESPECTFUL all through that's why i realized that those who trained them deserve to be respected and i began considering their instructions to see how beneficial it is to those following it.

So before you can expect me to follow any instruction you must do the same not command it, obviously you're now showing the reason why you're unable to cope in their midst!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ i was really arrogant and saucy but with the attitude of Jehovah's Witnesses i felt really bad that i began reciprocating to their respectful attitude.

Of course the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses respected me fully by sending their members to come and preach to me and they proved to be RESPECTFUL all through that's why i realized that those who trained them deserve to be respected and i began considering their instructions to see how beneficial it is to those following it.

So before you can expect me to follow any instruction you must do the same not command it, obviously you're now showing the reason why you're unable to cope in their midst!

You want to hide between command and instructions to run away

I asked..........

What did you read from the post you are responding to?

Then I added........

Now bring back what you read. I want to see it.

.

Simple instructions

So before you can expect me to follow any instruction you must do the same not command it, obviously you're now showing the reason why you're unable to cope in their midst

You are already running away and I am not holding you back.

All your questions I provided answers. The one time I asked a question. You did not respond and ran under...........

Hmmmmmmmmmm, please who are you that i should follow your instruction?

But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect.

Mild temper and deep respect out of the window without following instructions since you cannot even answer simple question not to talk of making a defense

Ọmọ i was really arrogant and saucy but with the attitude of Jehovah's Witnesses i felt really bad that i began reciprocating to their respectful attitude.

Diversion, they have the right to respect you even before you reciprocate that's part of what practising what Jesus taught his disciples should do to their ways of operation and now that you are a member you want the outsider(Achorladey) to respect you first before you reciprocate in my case. You see the lies and manipulations I talked about. You go reverse, I move forward . You don't follow the instructions Peter gave in that account

Of course the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses respected me fully by sending their members to come and preach to me and they proved to be RESPECTFUL all through that's why i realized that those who trained them deserve to be respected and i began considering their instructions to see how beneficial it is to those following it.

Who is sending you to nairaland, the same governing body right? Yes Do they expect you to respect those you meet on this platform just like those who preached and studied the Bible with your in your home? Yes Since you cannot show that same respect to an outsider like Achorladey you don't deserve to be respected . Do you agree? Do attempt the question

This and many others people see about Jehovah's Witnesses and say you turn the Bible upside down or read it in reverse. You don't know what you hold as belief from the Bible and you are still arrogant and saucy.

achorladey:

You want to hide between command and instructions to run away

So this is about running away shey?
Well thanks for commenting!

MaxInDHouse:


So this is about running away shey?
Well thanks for commenting!

You have to thank for giving you the opportunity to run away. You simply cannot stand the heat of the truth coming from the Bible you carry. The only thing that can make your lies and manipulations stand is AUTHORITY of which is limited within sphere of your religious organization .

You can never tolerate this kind of discussion from your fellow members. You will suppress them with your arrogant and saucy attitude of which you testify are still embedded deep within you.

MaxInDHouse:
Please stop the insult and go straight to your point if you truly believe in Jesus this is not what he taught his disciples, you can quarrel with someone today but then after sometimes such should be forgotten most especially when the person no longer engage you but following someone up and down with insults doesn't show any sign of maturity in your neither does such attitude represents Christ!
So it's normal for us to have contradicting opinions on scriptural topics otherwise all the so called churches supposed to believe and worship the same way!

lost false jw mad max

you posted untruths, and i corrected you
you do it all the time and when you are corrected you cry as above

try being a man and accept all of your wrongs:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.


lost false jw mad max, blaspheming the Holy Spirit shows that you are indeed; lost, false, and mad
you insult the Holy Spirit making Him to be a liar, and now you cry saying that "YOU" are insulted

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

johnw47:

lost false jw mad max

With this you've shown you're not mannered!

achorladey:

You have to thank for giving you the opportunity to run away. You simply cannot stand the heat of the truth coming from the Bible you carry. The only thing that can make your lies and manipulations stand is AUTHORITY of which is limited within sphere of your religious organization .

You can never tolerate this kind of discussion from your fellow members. You will suppress them with your arrogant and saucy attitude of which you testify are still embedded deep within you.

Thanks for commenting!

MaxInDHouse:
With this you've shown you're not mannered!

lost false jw mad max

with this i've shown that you are lost for blaspheming the Holy Spirit

with this i've shown that you are false jw for blaspheming the Holy Spirit

with this i've shown that you are mad for blaspheming the Holy Spirit

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

johnw47:

lost false jw mad max

It's clear that you're EMPTY HEADED and you're just trying hard to put up a defense that is not working for you.
If you want to discuss about Christianity come out plainly instead of using insult as your defense because you know decent people won't tolerate it.
I give you the opportunity to prove what you know about Christ and Christianity now if you want to throw insults here and there then it means you don't know what to say you're just using the insults as a defense.
Christ never taught us to go about insulting people simply because they don't agree with us on beliefs! Matthew 10:16; 1Peter 3:15

MaxInDHouse:
It's clear that you're EMPTY HEADED and you're just trying hard to put up a defense that is not working for you.
If you want to discuss about Christianity come out plainly instead of using insult as your defense because you know decent people won't tolerate it.
I give you the opportunity to prove what you know about Christ and Christianity now if you want to throw insults here and there then it means you don't know what to say you're just using the insults as a defense.
Christ never taught us to go about insulting people simply because they don't agree with us on beliefs! Matthew 10:16; 1Peter 3:15

very dum lost false jw mad max

you keep defending yourself about being shown to be lost, false, and mad
and you twist that around to me defending something you really person of confusion and untruthful as can be, aren't you

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

johnw47:

very dum lost false jw mad max

Continue deceiving yourself with cheap defense anytime you want to reason with what the Bible really teach i'm here but if you're here looking for someone to join you in the mud i won't respond to you anymore!

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself with cheap defense anytime you want to reason with what the Bible really teach i'm here but if you're here looking for someone to join you in the mud i won't respond to you anymore!

cannot stop lying lost false jw mad max

very puffed up and most dum one, i wouldn't be reasoning with you devils mob about what the Bible teaches


i see @underline, you are looking for excuse to run away again
excuses excuses run run

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MaxInDHouse:
I give you the opportunity to prove what you know about Christ and Christianity

most dum and puffed up lost false jw mad max

i don't need an opportunity from you to prove what i know about Christ and Christianity
i sometimes do just that whenever i wan't oh dum one, go search for and read them

MaxInDHouse: Christ never taught us to go about insulting people simply because they don't agree with us on beliefs! Matthew 10:16; 1Peter 3:15

what you take as insults, however is the truth
you a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit is lost
you a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit is false jw
you a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit is mad

MaxInDHouse:


Thanks for commenting!

it's not yet the time for turning spears into plough shears
while there are wars and terrorists murdering thousands

God having us learn war no more is after the return of Christ
before Christ's millennium reign of peace on earth

until then we Christians will defend our families, just as God Himself in the future will kill five sixths
of the invading armies, defending and saving a remnant of Israel

achorladey:



Deflection and diversion tactics......



Reality says they don't. Your religious denomination is part of them.



The Bible nowhere tells you the church is the truth. So asking me to present the only church teaching the truth is asking me to join you in your lies and manipulations of the Bible and a means to deflect and divert from the fact that 1914 is not the truth from the Bible. 1914 has nothing to do with the Bible.



Good



No sense to you, not to me.



Does not change the fact that whatever they teach once it goes contrary to the what is stated in the bible it falls under lies and manipulations of the scriptures and that does not make 1914 correct as well.

I have been trying to tell maximumSide that having a different view(community truth), does not mean you are teaching the truth. The hyped 1914 has no credible historical and archeological backing. No historians or historical books agree with the date 607 BCE.

Their own member, Carl Olof Jonsson, when questioned about the verity of the dates, sent him to the library. In his twelve years of serious studies, he discovered that the doctrine was built on mere conjectures. Even then, time of Nebuchadnezzar or 70 years, The Times of Gentles, if carefully considered, do not have any reasonable interpretations in line with the subject matter.

This teaching is a lie, based on lies, only propagated by harassment.
I pointed out to maximumSide, that in the time of Jesus Christ, there were sects like, Sadducees, Pharisees, Hellens, Scribes, these drew their teachings from the books of Moses and the prophets, yet had different views in their practices and interpretations.
In the same way as Christianity grew across the globe and influence, people tried to naturalize the teachings to their locations and traditions. Hence, you have Roman Catholic, Anglican, Ethiopian, Gothic, Aladura,..... many others from other parts of the world.

What then are the core teachings of Christianity? God is One. Salvation, Holiness, Redemption, Resurrection, invitation to Christian faith, Judgement and eternal rewards.

There is no one tribes in the world that do not have an iota of their culture or beliefs in their form of Christianity from the simple to spiritual. Only a narrow minded JW's like my friend, maximumSide that fanatically believe and harass people with his bigotry.

For instance, there is no known standards for wedding, burial, naming, house warming etc laid down by Jesus and the Apostles, yet each denomination including the JWs organization have their own.

All these scriptural harassments are born out of narrow mindedness, bigotry, and lack of world view of human and civilization dynamics.

Wishing you a happy weekend.

achorladey:

that arrogant and saucy russellite running away from you again

MightySparrow:


I have been trying to tell maximumSide that having a different view(community truth), does not mean you are teaching the truth. The hyped 1914 has no credible historical and archeological backing. No historians or historical books agree with the date 607 BCE.

Their own member, Carl Olof Jonsson, when questioned about the verity of the dates, sent him to the library. In his twelve years of serious studies, he discovered that the doctrine was built on mere conjectures. Even then, time of Nebuchadnezzar or 79 years, The Times of Gentles, if carefully considered, do not any reasonable interpretations in line with the subject matter.

This teaching is a lie, based on lies, only propagated by harassment.
I pointed out to maximumSide, that in the time of Jesus Christ, there were sects like, Sadducees, Pharisees, Hellens, Scribes, these drew their teachings from the books of Moses and the prophets, yet had different views in their practices and interpretations.
In the same way as Christianity grew across the globe and influence, people tried to naturalize the teachings to their locations and traditions. Hence, you have Roman Catholic, Anglican, Ethiopian, Gothic, Aladura,..... many others from other parts of the world.

What then are the core teachings of Christianity? God is One. Salvation, Holiness, Redemption, Resurrection, invitation to Christian faith, Judgement and eternal rewards.

There is no one tribes in the world that do not have an iota of their culture or beliefs in their form of Christianity from the simple to spiritual. Only a narrow minded JW's like my friend, maximumSide that fanatically believe and harass people with his bigotry.

For instance, there is no known standards for wedding, burial, naming, house warming etc laid down by Jesus and the Apostles, yet each denomination including the JWs organization have their own.

All these scriptural harassments are born out of narrow mindedness, bigotry, and lack of world view of human and civilian dynamics.

Wishing you a happy weekend.

Sweet. No matter how MaxInDHouse repeat the lies of 1914 packed into his brains as truth. It will not make it the truth from the Bible he carries

Have a great weekend too and the holiday added as bonus in the coming week.

johnw47:


that arrogant and saucy russellite running away from you again

Lies do run away from truth. He has seen the lies he peddles does not hold against the truth of the Bible he carries.

johnw47:
it's not yet the time for turning spears into plough shears
while there are wars and terrorists murdering thousands

God having us learn war no more is after the return of Christ
before Christ's millennium reign of peace on earth

until then we Christians will defend our families, just as God Himself in the future will kill five sixths
of the invading northern armies, defending and saving a remnant of Israel

They pick a scripture apply it to a cooked doctrine of theirs and say that's the truth of God's word and use it to judge others as not being Christian for not following their cooked doctrines.

MightySparrow:

I have been trying to tell maximumSide that having a different view(community truth), does not mean you are teaching the truth. The hyped 1914 has no credible historical and archeological backing. No historians or historical books agree with the date 607 BCE.

In the first century no single historian or scholar agree with Jesus of Nazareth that's why 99% of Jews and Judaists world wide are of the opinion that Jesus is FAKE till today.

So if only his disciples agreed with him it still boils down to what you called "community truth" which is only among his disciples and that's why many people are saying he never existed because it's only his disciples who wrote about him!

Why do many today keep questioning the authenticity of the New Testament?

Well it's because it was written by Jesus' own friends (disciples who weren't renown historians so whenever you're reading the Bible book of Matthew to Revelations know that you're reading books still under scrutiny globally among historians therefore your faith in those 27 books is not recognized by Jewish historians but on the writings of common men who weren't recognized in the first century!

MaxInDHouse:


In the first century no single historian or scholar agree with Jesus of Nazareth that's why 99% of Jews and Judaists world wide are of the opinion that Jesus is FAKE till today.

So if only his disciples agreed with him it still boils down to what you called "community truth" which is only among his disciples and that's why many people are saying he never existed because it's only his disciples who wrote about him!

Off the point Sir. Your pivotal 1914CE with its root from 607 BCE is the topic here. No one has denied the existence of Jesus. Or Moses.

Since ousting of the family form Eden and later spread of people from thence God had been planting His people in successive civilizations as His signature. Today, Egypt is an Islamic nation with a few Christians there. They read the Bible and have not denied their history, so is Elam/Persia/Iran so is Babylon/Iraq, Greek, and Roman today. Historians from Flavius Josephus, Herodotus and Babylonian historians.

These are not the issue. That date 607 BCE and the circumstances for the interpretation are the key issues here. The date could only be calculated by contemporary events not by a conjectures of scriptural interpretation. The historians have the tools to professionally interpret history not a religious body.

Your interpretation would be fine if it followed reasonable, skillful, methods of historical interpretation. It is, as it were, at a level of academic myth or superstition. Education, I think you know, is standardized organization of knowledge pass across for further reassessment.

Do you remember one Jeremiah Abalaka who claimed to have found cure for HIV by some unscientific means? Something that defies all scientific methods and know how?

Such is the conjecture of your date. It has to align with a body of credible knowledge. I know you would not want to read anything from other denominations or even history books but only things written by your Governing Body. Its fine, but your organization cannot manufacture events and dates. As a seeker and proclaimer of truth,I encourage you to pick few world history texts, better still the treatise sent to your GB by Carl Olof Jonsson, Times of Gentles Reconsidered. If you don't have confidence in scholarly stuffs .

MaxInDHouse:


In the first century no single historian or scholar agree with Jesus of Nazareth that's why 99% of Jews and Judaists world wide are of the opinion that Jesus is FAKE till today.

So if only his disciples agreed with him it still boils down to what you called "community truth" which is only among his disciples and that's why many people are saying he never existed because it's only his disciples who wrote about him!

You don't know how you put yourself in a tight corner with this post

You have no basis in the first place to use dates of historians to calculate and arrived at 1914. Since it is your community truth as obtained from the Bible. You only need to now pick your Bible and show us where Jesus stated clearly he returned in 1914 since historians don't have to agree with Jesus existence. You cannot be using historical information to calculate want don't exist