MaxInDHouse:
Why do many today keep questioning the authenticity of the New Testament?

Well it's because it was written by Jesus' own friends (disciples who weren't renown historians so whenever you're reading the Bible book of Matthew to Revelations know that you're reading books still under scrutiny globally among historians therefore your faith in those 27 books is not recognized by Jewish historians but on the writings of common men who weren't recognized in the first century!

The calculations of 1914 was based on the works of historians and the chronology your religious organization used to arrive at 1914 were the works of historians who were not calculating something that is non existent(Jesus Christ)

MightySparrow:

Off the point Sir. Your pivotal 1914CE with its root from 607 BCE is the topic here. No one has denied the existence of Jesus. Or Moses.

The highlighted is really funny!
So why are Israelites still not Christians till today if they don't deny what Jesus' friends penned down?

achorladey:

You don't know how you put yourself in a tight corner with this post

Date is general but history is left in the hands of historians that's why the Gospel writers can't get recognition from those outside their group just like Jehovah's Witnesses today!

achorladey:

The calculations of 1914 was based on the works of historians and the chronology your religious organization used to arrive at 1914 were the works of historians who were not calculating something that is non existent(Jesus Christ)

The dates aren't the issues but what Jesus' friends penned down and their beliefs about Jesus of Nazareth.

So it's still the same thing just as people back then don't take Jesus and his disciples seriously they don't want to take his modern day disciples: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is really funny!
So why are Israelites still not Christians till today if they don't deny what Jesus' friends penned down?

Well, this is a digression from the topic.
I wish you stay on the topic. It is very important.

The Jews never denied His existence but deny His claim as the expected Saviour. Even this rejection was foreseen by Isaiah. Isaiah 6, 53, John 12 : 39, 41.

MaxInDHouse:


The dates aren't the issues but what Jesus' friends penned down and their beliefs about Jesus of Nazareth.

So it's still the same thing just as people back then don't take Jesus and his disciples seriously they don't want to take his modern day disciples: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

You can choose to keep twisting your words up and down. I know your state of honesty and integrity. Below is the title of your thread...

The Year 1914 Jesus began ruling in heaven

and you say.......

The dates aren't the issues but what Jesus' friends penned down and their beliefs about Jesus of Nazareth.

Shot yourself in the foot by saying


1. 1914 is not the issue, defeated the essence of your thread that Jesus began ruling in 1914

2. You don't believe what Jesus penned down actually the moment you say Jesus began ruling in 1914 when you see clearly from Genesis to Revelation nothing of such is found in the bible

So it's still the same thing just as people back then don't take Jesus and his disciples seriously they don't want to take his modern day disciples: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

It is not the same thing. Jesus didn't go about marketing dates, hours, seconds and minutes as foundation of his religious organization or date of his coming.

MightySparrow:

Well, this is a digression from the topic.
I wish you stay on the topic. It is very important.

The Jews never denied His existence but deny His claim as the expected Saviour. Even this rejection was foreseen by Isaiah. Isaiah 6, 53, John 12 : 39, 41.

You don catch am again. He will digress and extend the rope of lies

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is really funny!
So why are Israelites still not Christians till today if they don't deny what Jesus' friends penned down?

Who were those who became Christians in the first century? People of Sodom and Gomorrah right?

What a way to cover up lies and deny truth in front of you to advance the lies and manipulations.

MightySparrow:

Well, this is a digression from the topic.
I wish you stay on the topic. It is very important.
The Jews never denied His existence but deny His claim as the expected Saviour. Even this rejection was foreseen by Isaiah. Isaiah 6, 53, John 12 : 39, 41.

So if Jesus' own people till today rejected what his friends penned down about him who are his modern day disciples before people like you? Matthew 10:24-25

achorladey:

Who were those who became Christians in the first century? People of Sodom and Gomorrah right?
What a way to cover up lies and deny truth in front of you to advance the lies and manipulations.

It's unrecognized Jews that followed Jesus nah!

That's why their gospel accounts had no pedigree before majority of the Jews till today!

MaxInDHouse:


It's unrecognized Jews that followed Jesus nah!

That's why their gospel accounts had no pedigree before majority of the Jews till today!

Apply your intelligence as you type....... unrecognized Jews is still a Jew. That you do not recognise me as Hausa does not remove the fact that I am Hausa


Majority of Jews is different from the minority of Jews. Consult your use of words for more explanation

achorladey:

Apply your intelligence as you type....... unrecognized Jews is still a Jew. That you do not recognise me as Hausa does not remove the fact that I am Hausa
Majority of Jews is different from the minority of Jews. Consult your use of words for more explanation

Unknown soldiers are still soldiers it just that they're not RECOGNIZED by any unit of control so Jesus and his disciples were not recognized as members of the Jewish religious system in the first century.
That's why anyone who acknowledges Jesus is EXPELLED from their Synagogues a sign that such a person is no longer recognized as one of the Jewish religious family! John 9:22

So Jesus' disciples were considered BASTARDS among the Jews that's why no one recognized their writings except his own friends!

MaxInDHouse:


So if Jesus' own people till today rejected what his friends penned down about him who are his modern day disciples before people like you? Matthew 10:24-25

Can you change scriptures? They rejected Him that others can come in into the fold. Whoever you think you call yourself, you are encouraged not to be proud about it Roman 11 note verse 8 in particular.

However, you are cunningly dodging the topic.
Say something about the 607 BCE and 1914 CE that have no credible historical evidence.

achorladey:



You don catch am again. He will digress and extend the rope of lies

Truth stands alone. It is like the two hands of the clock at 6 o' clock not bending either side.

MightySparrow:

Can you change scriptures? They rejected Him that others can come in into the fold. Whoever you think you call yourself, you are encouraged not to be proud about it Roman 11 note verse 8 in particular.

You're the one who raised the issue of HISTORIANS that's why i quickly lectured you on how it works in the world.
So next time instead of arguing on what others say about the beliefs of a group think about what they're able to achieve.
The few Jews that followed Jesus and his disciples back then weren't relying only on the things others say but follow up on the fulfillment of Bible prophecies regarding the first century.
Today if you're not interested in what Jesus said regarding the end time there's no scripture or arguments that can convince you!

MightySparrow:

However, you are cunningly dodging the topic.
Say something about the 607 BCE and 1914 CE that have no credible historical evidence.

I have done that on the first page so go and read it and if you're not convinced take your leave it's not by force!

MaxInDHouse:


Unknown soldiers are still soldiers it just that they're not RECOGNIZED by any unit of control so Jesus and his disciples were not recognized as members of the Jewish religious system in the first century.
That's why anyone who acknowledges Jesus is EXPELLED from their Synagogues a sign that such a person is no longer recognized as one of the Jewish religious family! John 9:22

So Jesus' disciples were considered BASTARDS among the Jews that's why no one recognized their writings except his own friends!

Twist it as you like.....

1.

Unknown soldiers are still soldiers

2. No longer Jews but Jewish religious system...

Jesus and his disciples were not recognized as members of the Jewish religious system

That's why anyone who acknowledges Jesus is EXPELLED from their Synagogues a sign that such a person is no longer recognized as one of the Jewish religious family! John 9:22

Who have access to the synagogue? Children of Sodom and Gomorrah

So Jesus' disciples were considered BASTARDS among the Jews that's why no one recognized their writings except his own friends

Questions From Readers

Was God being partial in choosing for the early governing body men who had the same racial and national background​—all being Jews?

No, he certainly was not. All those whom Jesus first called as his disciples were Jews. Then, at Pentecost 33 C.E., Jews and Jewish proselytes were the first ones to be anointed with holy spirit and thus come in line to reign with Christ in heaven.


If you like call them bastards till eternity like you say Christian is a bastardised name. It will only keep exposing your lies and manipulations

achorladey:

Twist it as you like.....

1.



2. No longer Jews but Jewish religious system...







Who have access to the synagogue? Children of Sodom and Gomorrah



Questions From Readers

Was God being partial in choosing for the early governing body men who had the same racial and national background​—all being Jews?

No, he certainly was not. All those whom Jesus first called as his disciples were Jews. Then, at Pentecost 33 C.E., Jews and Jewish proselytes were the first ones to be anointed with holy spirit and thus come in line to reign with Christ in heaven.


If you like call them bastards till eternity like you say Christian is a bastardised name. It will only keep exposing your lies and manipulations

So the same thing that's repeating itself today the world empire of false religions can't give either the Governing Body or their followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) the recognition you guys are requesting just as first century Jewish religious leaders disregarded Jesus, his friends and whatever comes from them that's why the New Testament has no pedigree before them till today. But whether they do or not only the organization God chooses is fulfilling what He foretold!

MaxInDHouse:


So the same thing that's repeating itself today the world empire of false religions can't give either the Governing Body or their followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) the recognition you guys are requesting just as first century Jewish religious leaders disregarded Jesus, his friends and whatever comes from them that's why the New Testament has no pedigree before them till today. But whether they do or not only the organization God chooses is fulfilling what He foretold!

Still advancing lies and manipulations

So the same thing that's repeating itself today the world empire of false religions can't give either the Governing Body or their followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) the recognition you guys are requesting just as first century Jewish religious leaders disregarded Jesus

Nothing is repeating itself today. Your lies and manipulations that the disciples are not recognised as JEWS are lies. It has no correlation with your Governing body and your religious organisation you called only organization doing God's will.

achorladey:

That the disciples are not recognised as JEWS are lies.

The word JEWS doesn't just mean tribesmen among the Jews rather it means accepting all the ties binding on those having the same faith as they do.
So to the first century Jewish community Jesus and his disciples are better killed than bearing that name "JEWS" with them.
That's why whatever comes from Jesus or his friends is trashed till today!

MaxInDHouse:

You're the one who raised the issue of HISTORIANS that's why i quickly lectured you on how it works in the world.
So next time instead of arguing on what others say about the beliefs of a group think about what they're able to achieve.
The few Jews that followed Jesus and his disciples back then weren't relying only on the things others say but follow up on the fulfillment of Bible prophecies regarding the first century.
Today if you're not interested in what Jesus said regarding the end time there's no scripture or arguments that can convince you!


I have done that on the first page so go and read it and if you're not convinced take your leave it's not by force!

Do I look like the one you can lecture? I don't think so. I lay on the table facts of history.

I am familiar with the topic. So you have not definitely answered the question.

The question still remains, from where did you get 607 BCE when all credible historical evidences point to 587 BCE? What is your source?

MightySparrow:

Do I look like the one you can lecture? I don't think so. I lay on the table facts of history.
I and familiar with the topic. So you have not definitely answered the question.
The question still remains, from where did you get 607 BCE when all credible historical evidences point to 587 BCE? What is your source?

I have answered this before but for the benefit of other followers of my thread i will respond!

587 B.C.E. is an error by historians but they're not ready to accept the correction because it's coming from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

The year God's people were taken into captive supposed to be coherent with the 70 years God declared that the Jews will spend in exile but if we are to go by the year 587 B.C.E. there will be a glitch as the years would be 50 not 70 years. So if it's 50 years then it means God's promise regarding the 70 years is false.

Do you now see why God's people stick to 607 instead of 587 B.C.E.?

Most historians don't believe only the Bible so they don't follow up with God's word!

MaxInDHouse:
I have done that on the first page so go and read it and if you're not convinced take your leave it's not by force!

You did that yet after what you posted as OP you yourself didn't convince about what you wrote that you have to rush to YouTube for more facts to support your OP which later discovered to be an Apostate video in which the content of the video never even supported your claim in the first.

If what you posted couldn't convince your own self, how do you want it to convince others?

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered this before but for the benefit of other followers of my thread i will respond!

587 B.C.E. is an error by historians but they're not ready to accept the correction because it's coming from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

The year God's people were taken into captive supposed to be coherent with the 70 years God declared that the Jews will spend in exile but if we are to go by the year 587 B.C.E. there will be a glitch as the years would be 50 not 70 years. So if it's 50 years then it means God's promise regarding the 70 years is false.

Do you now see why God's people stick to 607 instead of 587 B.C.E.?

Most historians don't believe only the Bible so they don't follow up with God's word!

Lying liar!

Who declared 607BC as ERROR?

We're talking about archeological evidence, yet the lying liar says 587 is an ERROR.

well, your gods must be proud of you for doing his works perfectly.

Emusan:


Lying liar!

Who declared 607BC as ERROR?

We're talking about archeological evidence, yet the lying liar says 587 is an ERROR.

well, your gods must be proud of you for doing his works perfectly.

How many years did Jehovah say that his people will be in captivity? 70 years or 50 years?

Which one should a Christian accept? That of 70 years leading to 607BCE (which is a conclusion based on the Bible prophecy) or from secular historians whose data is not always accurate?

Even if all the historians points to a date that contradict what Bible points me to, I will still choose the Bible. Let God be true and men be found a liar

MaxInDHouse:

The word JEWS doesn't just mean tribesmen among the Jews rather it means accepting all the ties binding on those having the same faith as they do.
So to the first century Jewish community Jesus and his disciples are better killed than bearing that name "JEWS" with them.
That's why whatever comes from Jesus or his friends is trashed till today!

MaxInDHouse is more of Jew than Jew. Do you agree?

The word JEWS doesn't just mean tribesmen among the Jews rather it means accepting all the ties binding on those having the same faith as they do

You can choose to redefine Jews = Yoruba. It is part of your lies and manipulations. It does not change the below....

No, he certainly was not. All those whom Jesus first called as his disciples were Jews. Then, at Pentecost 33 C.E., Jews and Jewish proselytes were the first ones to be anointed with holy spirit and thus come in line to reign with Christ in heaven.

Go and redefine your definition of Jews to your GODS of men housed in USA. It still does not change the fact that the Jews accepted Jesus Christ first

MightySparrow:



Do I look like the one you can lecture? I don't think so. I lay on the table facts of history.

I am familiar with the topic. So you have not definitely answered the question.

The question still remains, from where did you get 607 BCE when all credible historical evidences point to 587 BCE? What is your source?

The same person that has been contradicting the evidence his own religious organization presented

Emusan:


You did that yet after what you posted as OP you yourself didn't convince about what you wrote that you have to rush to YouTube for more facts to support your OP which later discovered to be an Apostate video in which the content of the video never even supported your claim in the first.

If what you posted couldn't convince your own self, how do you want it to convince others?

He just wants free access to post lies and manipulations .

The same person later said dates don't matter and you created a thread based on date that Jesus became king on that day

More evidence that he will choose and pick his own lies and manipulations over that of Jesus Christ

Aemmyjah:
How many years did Jehovah say that his people will be in captivity? 70 years or 50 years?

You didn't answer my question!

Which one should a Christian accept? That of 70 years leading to 607BCE (which is a conclusion based on the Bible prophecy) or from secular historians whose data is not always accurate?

From where did you start counting your 70 years?

Even if all the historians points to a date that contradict what Bible points me to, I will still choose the Bible. Let God be true and men be found a liar

Until you answer the very basic question.

Where did you start counting your 70years?

What did you add to arrive at 1914?

Where did Bible provide those information?

Sure, let God be True and let men be lie.

Your gods in Warwick are also MEN, don't forget.

Emusan:


You didn't answer my question!



From where did you start counting your 70 years?



Until you answer the very basic question.

Where did you start counting your 70years?

What did you add to arrive at 1914?

Where did Bible provide those information?

Sure, let God be True and let men be lie.

Your gods in Warwick are also MEN, don't forget.

Everything is based on prophecy in the Bible
Like a jigsaw puzzle, we bring them together and get a clear picture

It is based on the tree image of Nebuchadnezzar's dream which has 2 fulfillment, the initial relating to Nebuchadnezzar and the final relating to God's representative rulership
Ezekiel also adds to it when he says that the turban will be removed from the king until it comes to it rightful owner
Jesus himself also adds to the prophecies when he talked about when the appointed time of the nations will be fulfilled

Through Daniel prophecy, it has pointed us to the time when the Messiah will appear - 29CE (now secular history says 26CE but jesus ministry was 3 and hakf years ans Bible chronology and history poimta to 33CE as his year of death so 29CE is more accurate). I can also do the same calculation of the appearing of the Messiah using same Bible methods which led us to 1914 as Jesus rule. So Bible has helped us to see when the Messiah appear which is 29CE and it has also helped us get to see when Jesus began to rule. Let's us not forget that 1914 is a significant year in world history and what Jesus prophecied about the time of the end began then as well as John Revelation vision in Revelation 6


The Jews were released from Babylonian captivity as Jehovah promised
As Jehovah also foretold, they would spend 70 years as captives in the land so 537- 70 years leads to 607 BCE. A Bible believer will accept that or resort to history. If I want to rely on history, I can as well believe that Moses, Pharaoh, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua conquest of Canaan, Davod and Goliath, Tower of Babel, Joseph of Egypt never existed and the Exodus never happened or the plagues cos the ancient Egyptians who were meticulous in their history has not shown any such proof.
So when you think u can shame us by choosing side of history when we support God's word, remember that history itself can make u think that many people and events and places in the Bible never happened

So rest

Emusan:

Lying liar!
Who declared 607BC as ERROR?
We're talking about archeological evidence, yet the lying liar says 587 is an ERROR.
well, your gods must be proud of you for doing his works perfectly.

You don't have to give yourself HBP on this matter it's either you accept or reject it.
Thanks for commenting!

Aemmyjah:



How many years did Jehovah say that his people will be in captivity? 70 years or 50 years?

Which one should a Christian accept? That of 70 years leading to 607BCE (which is a conclusion based on the Bible prophecy) or from secular historians whose data is not always accurate?

Even if all the historians points to a date that contradict what Bible points me to, I will still choose the Bible. Let God be true and men be found a liar

When you guys are told to reason and reason well the arrogance of copied works of those that fits cooked doctrines of your religious leaders is what you will call Bible research.

Even if all the historians points to a date that contradict what Bible points me to, I will still choose the Bible. Let God be true and men be found a liar.

The limitations of this statement shows you don't understand the length and breadth of CHRONOLOGY as it applies to the Bible. The Bible has never point to dates dates dates as in

God call Abraham 1 Chislev 4090 B. C. E

Or

Solomon built the temple 1st Adar, 2046 B. C. E

and Nebuchadnezzar destroyed that same temple.... 3rd Abib 607 B. C. E and then Israelites returned back from exile in year 4th Nisan 537 B.C. E.

Read your Bible from now to eternity you will never see such dates in the Bible. You stating..

points to a date that contradict what Bible points me to

Is fallacy, the bible didn't point you to any date as in zero dates, non existent dates. The bible didn't point you to date of destruction of the temple [/b]or [b]start of exile and date of return from exile.

All these dates of 607 BCE, 537 BCE are from secular sources it has nothing to do with the Bible.

That's why some call those calculations used to arrive at 1914 as mental gymnastics

Emusan:


You didn't answer my question!



From where did you start counting your 70 years?



Until you answer the very basic question.

Where did you start counting your 70years?

What did you add to arrive at 1914?

Where did Bible provide those information?

Sure, let God be True and let men be lie.

Your gods in Warwick are also MEN, don't forget.

The question heavy