budaatum:


And why should that bother me when I can train my children while inside my body to communicate with me their parent?

Or do you think I'd be wasting my time on Nairaland training you if I still had children to train?

How are sperms trained?

budaatum:


Like the Ukrainians started the war to push the Russians out of Ukraine because the Ukrainians wanted to take everything?

And I'm certain you'd be content with the below, after all, you'd be more concerned about your bloody nose that some robber stealing your wife and children?



Anyway, Israel-Palestine is not a thing I want to get in to with you. I consider it far too complex for you to see both sides, and we definitely have different views of it.

Land was taken from Israel by the Romans. Renamed it to Palestine. Ottamans took over turkey and other parts of the world. Took Palestine from the Romans. Arabs revolt against the ottomans with the help of Britain and Britain took over the land.

So at the end of the day, they wanted to share the land in two. Israelis were there for centuries and they got 56% Arabs who were there through migration occupation does not want Israelis to have anything. That is the gist. They want to take Jewish land. Even the turks are not claiming the land is their own.

bemeruca:


Nobody goes into a fight at disadvantage. For robbers to come into my house, they will make sure they have the upper hand. I will only fight back if I am equal or have the advantage. If I am at disadvantage, fighting might cause the life of my family and also my life.

If I were a man and 1000 robbers were stealing my wife, I will fight until there is no breath left in me just as I would if they were stealing me. But please know that you are under no obligation to fight like I would. After all, its likely you were not prepared for hard and heavy tidings like I am, who "has before me an ordeal of the most grievous kind, and many, many long months of struggle and of suffering", and who's policy is "to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime". That is my policy. And my aim is "victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be".

Trust me, if you, and not ijebosb, were the one fighting for my body my choice, I would be so scared I'd be terrified.

basilico:


How are sperms trained?

Sperm is not a child inside my body! One can however train stupidity out of sperms dna, just like 'run fast' is trained into the dna of horses, or 'produce lots of milk' in the sperm of cows.

I think you missed out Alexander the Great and the Greeks. All the same, not a conversation I am willing to have with you.

bemeruca:


Land was taken from Israel by the Romans. Renamed it to Palestine. Ottamans took over turkey and other parts of the world. Took Palestine from the Romans. Arabs revolt against the ottomans with the help of Britain and Britain took over the land.

So at the end of the day, they wanted to share the land in two. Israelis were there for centuries and they got 56% Arabs who were there through migration occupation does not want Israelis to have anything. That is the gist. They want to take Jewish land. Even the turks are not claiming the land is their own.

budaatum:


If I were a man and 1000 robbers were stealing my wife, I will fight until there is no breath left in me just as I would if they were stealing me. But please know that you are under no obligation to fight like I would. After all, its likely you were not prepared for hard and heavy tidings like I am, who "has before me an ordeal of the most grievous kind, and many, many long months of struggle and of suffering", and who's policy is "to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime". That is my policy. And my aim is "victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be".

Trust me, if you, and not ijebosb, were the one fighting for my body my choice, I would be so scared I'd be terrified.

Good. You are fighting, no one is faulting you to fight but do you expect the people you are fighting to make you bread and butter even if they stole your land? No... They will defend themselves and fight you because you are fighting them.

But this scenario is no way similar to the Israel and Palestinian crisis.

budaatum:

I think you missed out Alexander the Great and the Greeks. All the same, not a conversation I am willing to have with you.

A question to you. How did the Palestinians acquire that land? What makes them heir to the land,
WHO ARE THEY?

budaatum:


You who does not have a blindspot clearly failed to see that I specifically wrote plural maga Basilicos, meaning everyone, including the grifter and their leaders and the 6-3 and the pope and God and everyone else who wants to my body their choice.

Or do you seriously believe one should be considering being scared of our one pointless waste of time and space basilico that we have on here?

Please try to consider what you read instead of ascribing what you think you read on to others, especially when reading buda who's ego is so massive that she tries to make every letter count.

Yes, you spoke about the plural Basilico's and I explained to you who a 'Basilico' was in the singular to explain why your view of "Basilico in the plural" not being fearful was the wrong way to look at it. A "Maga Basilico" does not include the grifters and/or the policy chiefs as Basilico is neither. Again, Basilico as an example would be someone who is repeatedly fooled by propaganda, repeats said propaganda uncritically, and dedicates his life to such propaganda.

I perfectly ascribed to you what you wrote. If you meant something different you should have said so. If you want to adjust what you wrote, you can say that now. What you can't do is pretend someone doesn't understand the very words you wrote.

Stop this stuff. It's ok to be wrong or mistaken.

ijebosb:
Yes, you spoke about the plural Basilico's and I explained to you who a 'Basilico' was in the singular to explain why your view of "Basilico in the plural" not being fearful was the wrong way to look at it. A "Maga Basilico" does not include the grifters and/or the policy chiefs as Basilico is neither.

Why are you explaining to me what a "'Basilico' was in the singular" to explain my view of "Basilico in the plural"?

If I am not afraid of plural Basilcos, would I be afraid of a single one of them?

Perhaps you'd let me define plural maga basilicos since it is a word I made up and used, instead of you defining my word for me.

I am telling you that when I, buda, say Maga Basilicos, I, buda, mean, everyone, including the grifter and their leaders and the 6-3 and the pope and God and everyone else who wants to my body their choice.

And I am also telling you that I have no reason to be scared of any of them because I got very strong hard working persevering dedicated you and all the other ijebosbs fiercely fighting on mine and other womens' behalf and I have immense faith and confidence in your success.

Please don't make me have to tell you the meaning of the ijebosbs. I beg you.

And consider bra burning kind of fighting on my behalf.

budaatum:


Why are you explaining to me what a "'Basilico' was in the singular" to explain my view of "Basilico in the plural"?

If I am not afraid of plural Basilcos, would I be afraid of a single one of them?

Perhaps you'd let me define plural maga basilicos since it is a word I made up and used, instead of you defining my word for me.

I am telling you that when I, buda, say Maga Basilicos, I, buda, mean, everyone, including the grifter and their leaders and the 6-3 and the pope and God and everyone else who wants to my body their choice.

And I am also telling you that I have no reason to be scared of any of them because I got very strong hard working persevering dedicated you and all the other ijebosbs fiercely fighting on mine and other womens' behalf and I have immense faith and confidence in your success.

Please don't make me have to tell you the meaning of the ijebosbs. I beg you.

And consider bra burning kind of fighting on my behalf.

Can't even prove me wrong on anything.

bemeruca:

Good. You are fighting, no one is faulting you to fight but do you expect people you are fighting to make you bread and butter even if they stole your land? No...

No. I don't expect thieves of my land, thieves of my water, thieves of my olives, thieves of my friends and my families and thieves of my lives to all of a sudden give me the bread and butter I've been asking for.

In fact, what the fuq would make you think buda would expect such a dumb thing, Bem? Is it because I have somewhere in the past shown you I am so blind I don't see the rubble Palestine is? If so, please show me so I can see the buda you see.

bemeruca:
They will defend themselves and fight with you because you are fighting them.

I expect them to defend themselves! They are after all of a sudden not going to stop being the thieves and bullies that they are and start giving us the bread and butter they've been starving us of!

And for your information, I know they have nuclear bombs, the sort was Hiroshima. Yet, watch me. Fighting!

Now. If you wish to argue that I don't think I have a very valid reason to go to the extent of tying bombs to my kids to blow you up, I really would want to hear it.

basilico:


Can't even prove me wrong on anything.

I don't bother with you much at all dear.

Or don't you notice?

budaatum:


No. I don't expect thieves of my land, thieves of my water, thieves of my olives, thieves of my friends and my families and thieves of my lives to all of a sudden give me the bread and butter I've been asking for.

In fact, what the fuq would make you think buda would expect such a dumb thing, Bem? Is it because I have somewhere in the past shown you I am so blind I don't see the rubble Palestine is? If so, please show me so I can see the buda you see.


I expect them to defend themselves! They are after all of a sudden not going to stop being the thieves and bullies that they are and start giving us the bread and butter they've been starving us of!

And for your information, I know they have nuclear bombs, the sort was Hiroshima. Yet, watch me. Fighting!

Now. If you wish to argue that I don't think I have a very valid reason to go to the extent of tying bombs to my kids to blow you up, I really would want to hear it.

Again, Palestine situation is not like thieves coming into your house. It is Israel that is actually defending themselves. The Arabs started a war, they lost the entire Palestine plus some part of Jordan and Egypt. Israel gave back a lot. Since then, it is the Palestinians starting fights. Again, just like Jordan and Egypt, if they behave themselves, they have been enjoying themselves today playing at one of their beautiful beaches... But from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free for a land they do not own.

The Jews have gone through 2 holocaust. The first one chased them out of Israel, the 2nd one brought them back to Israel. These Arabs are trying the 3rd.

ijebosb:

If you want to adjust what you wrote, you can say that now. What you can't do is pretend someone doesn't understand the very words you wrote.

ijebosb, please tell me that this your response was you accepting my adjustment that I already wrote and that you seem to have clearly not understand nor accepted and then chose to shove your own explanation down my throat!

ijebosb:
It's ok to be wrong or mistaken.

Naw! You don't say, is buda's sarcastic response.

bemeruca:

It is Israel that is actually defending themselves.

Israel that took land off Palestinians that had owned the land for centuries is defending itself from the people it took land off?

Okay.

budaatum:


Why are you explaining to me what a "'Basilico' was in the singular" to explain my view of "Basilico in the plural"?

If I am not afraid of plural Basilcos, would I be afraid of a single one of them?

Perhaps you'd let me define plural maga basilicos since it is a word I made up and used, instead of you defining my word for me.

I am telling you that when I, buda, say Maga Basilicos, I, buda, mean, everyone, including the grifter and their leaders and the 6-3 and the pope and God and everyone else who wants to my body their choice.

And I am also telling you that I have no reason to be scared of any of them because I got very strong hard working persevering dedicated you and all the other ijebosbs fiercely fighting on mine and other womens' behalf and I have immense faith and confidence in your success.

Please don't make me have to tell you the meaning of the ijebosbs. I beg you.

And consider bra burning kind of fighting on my behalf.

You're not pulling this bullshit gaslighting on me.

This is what you wrote:

budaatum:

Just look who's on the other side. Do you seriously think the maga Basilicos are going to beat you and win this war even if they win a battle here and there?

You referenced 'maga Basilcos'. Basilico is a grunt. An uneducated grunt. Magas are the grunts. The smart people, pulling the strings, don't believe the propaganda. It's a means to an end. They just use people like the 'mega Basilicos' to get whatever policy they want. And the grifters reinforce the message to make money. They survive by enraging uneducated easily manipulated people.

You keep going on, but it's clear you don't even understand the Maga movement. The leaders, don't believe the propaganda the grunts do. They are people who went to Harvard, Yale, run banks etc, Private Equity (ex. Peter Thiel). People like Leonard Leo , Ted Cruz, etc etc. All the far right stations you're watching have you actually believing there is some truth in whatever nonsense they are peddling.

I am telling you I am concerned. I see a concerted at the effort to dismantle the structures of the US. Structures such as Media, Government, and now the Courts. I am telling you that people who fight these battles are concerned. So, yes, I do think that the people pushing these ideologies can win, are capable of winning, because they have the "Maga Basilicos" as their foot soldiers; the very loud and very vocal minority.

budaatum:


Israel that took land off Palestinians that had owned the land for centuries is defending itself from the people it took land off?

Okay.

Israelis are Palestinians too. What are you talking about?
Who are the Palestinians, you still haven't answered.

I think the problem with what is going on in Israel, is that some people find it easier to just call people "terror lovers" and "antisemites" for asking questions everyone should be asking. For some it's strategic, for others like raumdeuter, it's immaturity in how they think which leads to a inability to process these deeper thoughts.

Here is Israel's former chief spy Tami Pardo, clearly not a Hamas lover or antisemite saying the same things I've been saying for a while now.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/arrogance-bullshit-top-insiders-netanyahu-025646703.html

Fifty miles up the coast from Gaza, where an Israeli offensive continues to shatter the besieged strip, Israel’s former chief spy Tamir Pardo is a world away from the war without end, in his office in Israel’s tech hub in the manicured city of Herzliya. From 2011 to 2016 Pardo was the director of Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, Mossad. He says the seeds that led to this moment of dread were sown over the previous two decades.

At 71 years old, Pardo feels the country is less secure and—unable to make tough choices about its future or willing to address its most pressing problem —has less vision than when he joined Mossad in 1980. He believes Israel’s future depends on addressing the question of Palestinian rights—a question that was rarely asked and was left unanswered in the calm before the war.

“Should we take from this that we need to change reality,” he asks, believing that continuing to deny Palestinians their basic rights will only lead to more bloodshed. “Or should we learn from this that [we’ve] shown too little force and [we] should crush them with greater might, so that they’ll be even more afraid of us?”

Pardo spent his career clandestinely and ruthlessly targeting those deemed a threat to Israel, but from that fight, he learned a lesson that eludes most Israelis. Force alone cannot protect it. “You’ll never be able to quash the aspiration for liberty,” he says.

bemeruca:

These Arabs are trying the 3rd.

You obviously know no history, or you think it was not holocaust when your so called Israelites were enslaved for 400 years . And you definitely don't know that the so called Israelites were the people captured over a large region called Palestine who united under moses "Let my people go" banner. Or perhaps you think the Egyptians specifically went for the cattle herders in some tiny region and left everyone everywhere else alone.

You can't expect me to roll over just because you were persecuted by some others elsewhere. And if people want to holocaust you everywhere you go, I think you ought to at some point wonder what you might be doing to deserve it. Not that I'm saying you do, mind. But.

Bem, we are talking about one of the most embattled regions likely in the entire history of humankind. And it takes quite a lot of reading to even begin to realise how complex it is not to talk of understand it, unless you want to claim you've lived there for 5000 or so years so therefore know the various diverse cultures better than buda who clearly hasn't lived there.

ijebosb:

You referenced 'maga Basilcos'. Basilico is a grunt. An uneducated grunt. Magas are the grunts. The smart people, pulling the strings, don't believe the propaganda.

First, I did not "referenced"! "Maga basilicos" does not exist anywhere for me to reference it, so I, buda simply made it up.

And after I made it up, and after you assumed I meant just the grunts, I then specifically told you that my very own made up maga basilicos means "everyone, including the grifter and their leaders and the 6-3 and the pope and God and everyone else who wants to my body their choice". Yet, heres you like 4 post latter telling me what maga basilicos means?

Now, that's funny. Much.

ijebosb:
It's a means to an end. They just use people like the 'mega Basilicos' to get whatever policy they want. And the grifters reinforce the message to make money. They survive by enraging uneducated easily manipulated people.

Well, I guess I can't explain it enough that my own understanding of maga basilicos as I buda have used it includes the grifters using basilico and the grifters reinforcing the message to make money and everyone including all grifters and their leaders and the 6-3 and the pope and God and everyone else who wants to my body their choice. None of them doth buda fear!

And the reason I fear none of them is, you are not "enraging uneducated easily manipulated people", you are just scared because you see through their handmade bullshit and will protect my body my choice till yours and mine's dying breath plus some.

ijebosb:

I am telling you I am concerned. I see a concerted at the effort to dismantle the structures of the US. Structures such as Media, Government, and now the Courts. I am telling you that people who fight these battles are concerned. So, yes, I do think that the people pushing these ideologies can win, are capable of winning, because they have the "Maga Basilicos" as their foot soldiers; the very loud and very vocal minority.

There have indeed been countries where the ignorant stupid maga basilicos have taken power and dismantled what is seen as the established status quos, but I am not afraid because America has one of the most robust democracies in the world, and if it does not sustain it deserves to be dismantled and something more sustainable put up in its place. But even so I'm very certain the Constitution will be kept. And the fact that many like you are scared and afraid will make you go out to protect my body my choice in the United States of America where you live and can vote.

You watch the tenacity with which you fight buda, lol, telling buda what buda said and telling buda what buda meant and telling buda what not to do and telling what buda must fear - there's no way on this planet that ignorant maga basilicos can possibly beat Ijebosb that is beating buda like you are!

My confidence in you Ijebos is unshakeable.
But we might must work yours in you, I guess.

budaatum:


You obviously know no history, or you think it was not holocaust when your so called Israelites were enslaved for 400 years . And you definitely don't know that the so called Israelites were the people captured over a large region called Palestine who united under moses "Let my people go" banner. Or perhaps you think the Egyptians specifically went for the cattle herders in some tiny region and left everyone everywhere else alone.

The Above is all over the place. The Egyptians back then are not the Arabs of today. That event predates Palestine which is the name given to the place after the Jewish revolt of the Romans that led to the first holocaust.
the land was not really called Palestine by anyone during the Ottoman Empire who ruled over that land till the British mandate after the Brits took over from the Ottomans during which there were Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs as well as Christians.

as long as the aim and goal is to exterminate the Jews, they don't deserve the freedom to do that.

budaatum:

You can't expect me to roll over just because you were persecuted by some others elsewhere. And if people want to holocaust you everywhere you go, I think you ought to at some point wonder what you might be doing to deserve it. Not that I'm saying you do, mind. But.

Bem, we are talking about one of the most embattled regions likely in the entire history of humankind. And it takes quite a lot of reading to even begin to realise how complex it is not to talk of understand it, unless you want to claim you've lived there for 5000 or so years so therefore know the various diverse cultures better than buda who clearly hasn't lived there.

they did not carry arms for the second one. As for the first, a revolt caused it I guess. so what did they do for the Arabs to attempt the 3rd one and now play victims even if their dream of wiping out the Jews is still a thing for them?

bemeruca:

Israelis are Palestinians too. What are you talking about?
Who are the Palestinians, you still haven't answered.

Palestinians are those who lived in the region known as Palestine, and the people in the West Bank and Gaza have adopted it as the modern name of themselves.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)

Ancient Israelis are Palestinians, since they are included in those who lived in the region known as Palestine. Modern day Israelis are however not commonly known as modern day Palestinians, I don't think, but do correct me.

budaatum:


Palestinians are those who lived in the region known as Palestine, and the people in the West Bank and Gaza have adopted it as the modern name of themselves.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)

Ancient Israelis are Palestinians, since they are included in those who lived in the region known as Palestine. Modern day Israelis are however not commonly known as modern day Palestinians, I don't think, but do correct me.

they adopted it around the 1940s as a movement against the Jews. But again, before they adopted it, who were they?
Jews have always been in the land through many conquerors
who are the modern-day Palestinian Arabs? The current Arabs did not conquer the land, the Ottomans who conquered it left after Britain defeated them and took the land. So who are the current Arabs?

bemeruca:


The Above is all over the place. The Egyptians back then are not the Arabs of today.

The Israelite of today too are not the Israelites of any time known in history neither, is what you wouldn't accept, and its besides the point.

Some people who have lived on a land for centuries and who call themselves Palestinians are not happy that some who call themselves Israelis arrived in 1940something to take it from them. And the fact that you have nuclear bombs does not appear to be stopping them from fighting you back.

Stop asking me questions I have answered. You don't need to like my answer, but stop with the needless bullying. Its pointless.

bemeruca:

Jews have always been in the land through many conquerers

Jews may have always been in the land, but the State of Israel, which is the current entity the Palestinians are fighting, was not there and hadn't been there for many centuries prior to 1948.

budaatum:


The Israelite of today too are not the Israelites of any time known in history neither, is what you wouldn't accept, and its besides the point.

Some people who have lived on a land for centuries and who call themselves Palestinians are not happy that some who call themselves Israelis arrived in 1940something to take it from them. And the fact that you have nuclear bombs does not appear to be stopping them from fighting you back.

they are Jews expelled by the Romans, Even if many of them are not born in Israel, it is not up to the Arabs to decide who can come into the Israeli partition of the land. the Israelis welcomed their expelled brothers and sisters, the Arabs did not even want the ones who lived through conquerors to remain.

I mean, they don't even know who they are. Unless they are the Turks or Romans, they should not be making any comment on which Jews come back to their land

budaatum:
Stop asking me questions I have answered. You don't need to like my answer, but stop with the needless bullying. Its pointless.



Jews may have always been in the land, but the State of Israel, which is the current entity the Palestinians are fighting, was not there and hadn't been there for many centuries prior to 1948.

Palestine was not a state back then as well as today. so what is your point?

bemeruca:


they are Jews expelled by the Romans, Even if many of them are not born in Israel, it is not up to the Arabs to decide who can come into the Israeli partition of the land. the Israelis welcomed their expelled brothers and sisters, ......

So, its not up to me to decide who lives on the land you stole from me? Is that because you have nuclear weapons and you are stronger than me and because others holocausted you or why?

And on top of that you expect me to welcome your "expelled brothers and sisters" too who will come and take more of my land and my brothers and sisters land?

Okay. And by the way, its Eid al-Adha. I will kill my goat to them so they have food to eat when they arrive.

bemeruca:


Palestine was not a state back then as well as today. so what is your point?

I haven't made any point about Palestine being a state or not.

Facts are, some people who have chosen to call themselves Palestinians don't like thieves who arrived in 1948 taking their land.

bemeruca:


I mean, they don't even know who they are.

This is just stupid! Even if they used to be Turks or Arabs or Romans or Greeks or whatever or Israelis for that matter, they'd lived their for centuries and now identify themselves as Palestinians, but if you'd rather deny them an identity, go ahead. Just know that holocaust is you obliterate identity and then you obliterate lives and existence, and such acts have historical consequences.

budaatum:


So, its not up to me to decide who lives on the land you stole from me? Is that because you have nuclear weapons and you are stronger than me and because others holocausted you or why?

And on top of that you expect me to welcome your "expelled brothers and sisters" too who will come and take more of my land and my brothers and sisters land?

Okay. And by the way, its Eid al-Adha. I will kill my goat to them so they have food to eat when they arrive.

what land did they steal? I asked you who the Palestinians are you said People living in the area called Palestine... well, the Jews were there, They got massacred in a revolt. The Ottomans took the land, the Jews lived under the Ottomans, and the British took the land as the Ottomans left... again, Who are the Palestinians asking the Jews who were always there to leave and the ones who returned to leave?

when the states were created, which land did the Jews steal? Palestine was a Mandate not People... so who are the Arabs in Palestine? if you say they are people living in a place called Palestine, so are the Jews Who welcomed back their brothers and sisters. so who are these Arabs to tell them no?

My reference to the Holocaust is Never Again... that is what the Israelis are saying. Romans and Germans did it to them. Shortly after the Germans, the Arabs wanted to finish them at their ancestral land. So when you wage a war, you will either gain or lose land.

budaatum:


This is just stupid! Even if they used to be Turks or Arabs or Romans or Greeks or whatever or Israelis for that matter, they'd lived their for centuries and now identify themselves as Palestinians, but if you'd rather deny them an identity, go ahead. Just know that holocaust is you obliterate identity and then you obliterate lives and existence, and such acts have historical consequences.

They identify themselves as Palestine. they can call themselves whatever they want. they don't know who they are, the Jews are the original Palestinians too since it was because of them the Romans renamed that region. and the Jews predate them on that land.

They try to kill off the people who predate them on that land so they can take all... but now they play the victim.