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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by johnw47: 5:43am On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:
Please tell that to the man who said what was recorded below in God's word! smiley

“Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens. But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens. Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me.  Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it. Matthew 10:32-39

oh duh most dum and lost false jw mad max

@bold, those who leave false jw org. are not disowning Christ oh most confused one:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:45am On Jun 17
Aemmyjah:

Lemme also ask myself,
Why are JWs the only ones with Christian neutrality
Why are they the only ones who will not got to war
Why are they the only ones who make God's name known
Why are they the only ones actively preaching and teaching the Bible everywhere they are found
Why are they the only ones so hated by all, even by religious people that use the Bible
I have done my homework and research in a thorough way before dedicating my life as one of Jehovah's Witnesses so i can confidently, boldly assure anyone that that's the one and only organization belonging to God.

The apostates thought they've known all since they were raised in God's organization so there is nothing more to know but just ask any of them to present another church he or she will like to associate with after leaving God's organization instantly they will be provoked!

The wumiwumi guy said he is an elder, he gave the talk yesterday, he knows Bethelites who are looking for a way out of the organization all of that he was saying to me but when i asked him the $1,000,000,000 question:

"Which church are you eyeing after leaving God's organization?"
He flared up saying i shouldn't call it God's organization but Jehovah's Witnesses organization.
OK i rephrased the question:
"Which church are you eyeing after leaving Jehovah's Witnesses organization?"
He said it's none of my business.
Abeg why did he quote me in the first place if his faith is none of my business?
Ọmọ the judgment has begun pure worship has been restored so all those not disposed for everlasting life will take their leave while the precious gems among the nations will flock into God's organization.
When you see all these things happening "stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.” Luke 21:28

So my brother “exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able." Luke 13:24

See you when all evildoers are gone! Psalms 37:7-11 smiley

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:54am On Jun 17
johnw47:

For God is not the author of CONFUSION, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
Deeperlife, The Apostolic Church, Apostolic Faith, C.A.C, RCCG, Christ Embassy, Winner Chanel, M.F.M., Lord's Chosen, Foursquare, Catholics, Anglican, SCOAN and many more are contradicting themselves in teachings and doctrines that's not CONFUSION to you shey?

Just yesterday you quoted the Pope saying what you feels is wrong o yet that's the spiritual head of the most populated denomination in Christendom.
You're just lying to your own soul!cheesy

Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:21am On Jun 17
wumiwumi100:

Geoffrey Jackson's statement during the Australian Royal Commission that Admits They're Not God's Only Channel of Communication. 👇👇👇👇


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlsVPTsUnnI

Ọmọ brother Jackson said:
"It will be presumptuous to say that"
Their brother and master also faced the same question when he walked the earth!

“By what authority do you do these things? And who gave you this authority?” Matthew 21:23

To rephrase that question they mean to say:

"Are you the only means of salvation?"

Since he entered into the temple and started doing as if he has authority to do and undo in God's Temple. John 2:13-17

Jesus asked them a rhetorical question if they believe John the baptist.

So those asking brother Jackson should ask themselves:

Which religion is gathering millions throughout the earth and making them zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word just as Jesus commanded in the Bible? Matthew 28:19-20

If it's only the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses then they are God's only channel of communication.

Of course it's apostates of your kind that will tell those people to put my brother into that tight situation so i perfectly understand what happened in that video.

Get to know today that God's organization and pure worship has been restored so if you're no longer feeling comfortable in our midst please take your leave but you can't drag others along with you Jehovah's sheep will stay within the city of refuge when the avenger of blood comes around my people will be saved! Joshua 20:9

I know you're just growing in the faith so if you want to know more about the city of refuge and the avenger of blood go and and ask the elders in your congregation to enlighten you, you don't have to tell that what led to it just tell them one of their brothers told you something about the city of refuge and the avenger of blood on Nairaland! smiley
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by johnw47: 6:23am On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:
Deeperlife, The Apostolic Church, Apostolic Faith, C.A.C, RCCG, Christ Embassy, Winner Chanel, M.F.M., Lord's Chosen, Foursquare, Catholics, Anglican, SCOAN and many more are contradicting themselves in teachings and doctrines that's not CONFUSION to you shey?
Just yesterday you quoted the Pope saying what you feels is wrong o yet that's the spiritual head of the most populated denomination in Christendom.
You're just lying to your own soul!cheesy

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


oh duh most dum and lost false jw mad max

i wasn't talking about those churches, i was talking about you and false jw org.
see your confusion yet oh blinded false accuser:

confused:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

blinded:
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

false accuser:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by johnw47: 6:30am On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:
Please tell that to the man who said what was recorded below in God's word! smiley

“Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens. But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens. Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me.  Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it. Matthew 10:32-39

oh duh most dum and lost false jw mad max

as i said, those who leave false jw org. are not disowning Christ oh most confused one,
but they are disowning your christ who you say is a deceiver:

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:10am On Jun 17
JEHOVAH is so good that no one can find a replacement for Him or His organization! smiley
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 9:44am On Jun 17
johnw47:


they always try to put others against each other, that's gods people for you.

A divide and rule tactics to lie and manipulate people. That's why their good news is always Jehovah’s witnesses are the only ones who don't go to war to kill fellow Jehovah's Witnesses in order to advance that other religious denominations go to war to fight one another and just like you stated put others against one another.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 9:46am On Jun 17
johnw47:


as we keep seeing, it's impossible for so called jw's to stop lying,
thank God Christians learn to dance to the tune of truth



They cannot be good in the eyes of others the moment they stop lying. That's why they must keep covering their errors they use to call others liars.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 9:46am On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:
JEHOVAH is so good that no one can find a replacement for Him or His organization! smiley

A concept that does not exist in the Bible. It is in your Bible that when you have Jesus paapaa you have Jehovah. Who needs Jehovah's organization? grin grin grin


Jehovah's organization na lies pack into your brains

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 9:49am On Jun 17
johnw47:


oh duh most dum and lost false jw mad max

as i said, those who leave false jw org. are not disowning Christ oh most confused one,
but they are disowning your christ who you say is a deceiver:

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints


Yes they are indeed disowning those Christ MaxInDHouse bow to those Jesus mentioned in

Matthew 24:5....for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.


The 9 Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses says they are the anointed ones who collectively are the voice of Jesus today. In essence they are saying they are the Christ and are misleading many grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 9:52am On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:

Deeperlife, The Apostolic Church, Apostolic Faith, C.A.C, RCCG, Christ Embassy, Winner Chanel, M.F.M., Lord's Chosen, Foursquare, Catholics, Anglican, SCOAN and many more are contradicting themselves in teachings and doctrines that's not CONFUSION to you shey?

Just yesterday you quoted the Pope saying what you feels is wrong o yet that's the spiritual head of the most populated denomination in Christendom.
You're just lying to your own soul!cheesy

Your religious organization are very much among the 41,000 contradicting themselves in teachings and doctrines.


MaxInDHouse already agreed to that. Changing mouth over it buttress the fact that you are a liar and manipulator grin grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 9:56am On Jun 17
Courz:


Welcome to the real world. Congratulations on your waking up and your being rescued from the shackles of Mind Control, spiritual abuse and Slavery. You have no idea how many JWs like you celebrate this day, the anniversary of their waking up from this Cult. There are many JWs like you all around the world that already know that JW is a Cult. Just like you, many are just in there because of family. But once they can relocate and have some measure of independence, they leave this Cult for good without looking back! So, just remember you are not alone. Many of JWs like you in positions are leaking Watchtower's secrets.

I don't know how you do it though . Being an Elder while awake. It feels like a Struggle going to the platform to give talks on subjects that are Lies and helping to run this Cult. You're trying.

I don't know how much research you have done on Watchtower. But trust me, there is so much you need to know. Watchtower has many faces. Dig deep. My advice, try and research how the world works. Once you do,you will understand and get to know who really runs Watchtower behind the scenes and why they exist in the first place. Don't stop digging. I promise you. It gets worse as you keep digging.

Once again, Congratulations! Welcome to your Freedom and to the Real World!

No be small work wumiwumi100 is doing. Climbing platform week in week out keeping up appearances knowing it mostly lies and manipulations. We too sabi how the package be before we pack load say enough is enough. Once he reach the front of the queue he will leave jejely. Climbing the ladder of the that organization will expose more the hypocrisy in their midst. It is their pants and slacks wearing regimented conscience that will make an individual remain grin grin grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by wumiwumi100(m): 9:57am On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ brother Jackson said:
"It will be presumptuous to say that"
Their brother and master also faced the same question when he walked the earth!

“By what authority do you do these things? And who gave you this authority?” Matthew 21:23

To rephrase that question they mean to say:

"Are you the only means of salvation?"

Since he entered into the temple and started doing as if he has authority to do and undo in God's Temple. John 2:13-17

Jesus asked them a rhetorical question if they believe John the baptist.

So those asking brother Jackson should ask themselves:

Which religion is gathering millions throughout the earth and making them zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word just as Jesus commanded in the Bible? Matthew 28:19-20

If it's only the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses then they are God's only channel of communication.

Of course it's apostates of your kind that will tell those people to put my brother into that tight situation so i perfectly understand what happened in that video.

Get to know today that God's organization and pure worship has been restored so if you're no longer feeling comfortable in our midst please take your leave but you can't drag others along with you Jehovah's sheep will stay within the city of refuge when the avenger of blood comes around my people will be saved! Joshua 20:9

I know you're just growing in the faith so if you want to know more about the city of refuge and the avenger of blood go and and ask the elders in your congregation to enlighten you, you don't have to tell that what led to it just tell them one of their brothers told you something about the city of refuge and the avenger of blood on Nairaland! smiley


Jesus was bold and courageous, unlike Jackson, whose fear of men prevents him from speaking the truth.

Could you imagine if Christ had responded to Caesar the way G. Jackson did?

Caesar: “Are you the King of the Jews?!”

Christ: “Uhhhh, well... it would be quite presumptuous for me to claim that I’m the only king of the Jews.”

According to Luke 6:6-11, Jesus demonstrated courage by healing the man with the withered hand on the Sabbath, despite knowing that the Pharisees and scribes were watching Him closely, seeking to accuse Him of breaking the Sabbath laws.

Jesus showed courage in several ways:

He knew the risks: Jesus was aware of the Pharisees' intentions and the potential consequences of His actions, but He chose to act anyway.

He confronted the critics: Jesus addressed the Pharisees' concerns directly, asking them if it was lawful to do good or harm on the Sabbath.

He took action: Despite the potential backlash, Jesus healed the man, showing that His compassion and commitment to doing good outweighed His fear of criticism.

He stood firm: Even after the Pharisees became enraged and plotted against Him, Jesus remained steadfast in His actions and message.

By healing the man on the Sabbath, Jesus demonstrated that His priorities were focused on showing love, compassion, and kindness, rather than fearing the opinions of others. This took great courage and continues to inspire people to stand up for what is right, even in the face of adversity.

Unlike Jesus, G. Jackson and the Governing Body are not courageous enough to assert in court that they are the sole channel of God on earth.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 9:58am On Jun 17
Courz:


Islamist Mad MaxinDhouse will soon say that he, Me and Oteneaaron are the same moniker. He is even calling him an Atheist. Very stupid Idiot! Now that a whole JW Elder is testifying to the Lies of their Cult, Mad MaxinDhouse is breathing Fire and Sulphur. We have told him and his fellow miscreants that so called Apostates are in their midst. They don't just know it because e no dey show for face. Where is the One line of thought Mad MaxinDhouse boasted about? LOL! We are now in the Era where JWs are revealing the Lies of their Cult. What a lovely time to be alive to see Watchtower being exposed!


He must find a way to dodge the missiles coming within his very own religious organization. He got hooked on whether to call him enemy, brother or friend knowing which ever direction he turns put him and his religious organization in bad spotlight grin grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:01am On Jun 17
Courz:


This testimony is also one of my reasons for Waking up as well. The same group of Frauds that waste no time telling JWs in broadcasts and publications that they are the only Channel Jehovah is using, cannot be courageous enough to say it with their full chest in Court. This is how you know how much of a Liar Watchtower is and how cowardly they are when they are in Court. They love to Lie and lie like Mad MaxinDhouse does in this forum. Sometimes, they get into trouble for lying in Court cases and end up paying fines for it ,which is why they need to sell Kingdom halls. Anyone who watches this testimony and still chooses to follow these Charlatans is mentally unstable and deserves to go to the pit where they are going.

To see more and the extent to which they can lie is when they are in court. You see where they categorically say they will lie to members and members are to accept the lies at all cost to maintain unity grin grin.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:02am On Jun 17
johnw47:


lost false jw mad max

you told everyone that your wife loves to play with your penis, What profitable thing can come from you

you a big hypocrite, aren't you

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.


A big hypocrite who said it is not right for members of his religious organization to not post nude pictures only for him to start sharing some for us on his thread grin grin grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:03am On Jun 17
johnw47:


lost false jw aemmy

once a dope like you said to others about me; "his no good"

a few months later that person was in prison for raping a 83 year old woman

you people keep saying to evade certain Christians because you are cowards:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

They have to run when their lies cannot hold up against the truth.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:04am On Jun 17
johnw47:


lost false jw mad max

well we know it's ok for member of false jw organisation to tell everyone that his wife loves to play with his penis






Looool grin grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by wumiwumi100(m): 10:05am On Jun 17
achorladey:


No be small work wumiwumi100 is doing. Climbing platform week in week out keeping up appearances knowing it most lies and manipulations. We too sabi how the package be before we pack load say enough is enough. Once he reach the front of the queue he will leave jejely. Climbing the ladder of the that organization will expose more the hypocrisy in their midst. It is only their pants and slacks wearing regimented conscience that will make an individual remain grin grin grin grin

It's not easy at all. You know the feeling you get when you say something you know is a lie. I am already causing some real trouble among the body of elders. I don't allow them to police people arbitrarily or discipline publishers as they wish. I've also won the majority of the elders to my side, so anything I say is final. The body of elders is like politics: the majority wins the context. But by next month, I will resign from my position as an elder.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:06am On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:


Please tell that to the man who said what was recorded below in God's word! smiley


“Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens. But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens. Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me.  Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it. Matthew 10:32-39


Seeking consolation as usual. grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:06am On Jun 17
johnw47:


oh duh most dum and lost false jw mad max

@bold, those who leave false jw org. are not disowning Christ oh most confused one:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

MaxInDHouse did you see the message? grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:06am On Jun 17
I have always told all enemies of God's people on this forum that we have our own common language that wherever we hear it no matter what religion such a belongs presently he or she is one of Jehovah's Witnesses and no matter who the person is or his office of oversight in God's organization once he can't speak our language he or she missed his road he will sooner or later find his way out of God's organization.

God's organization!

If a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim or member of any religion strongly believe that only his religion is God's only channel to reach mankind such a person is one of Jehovah's Witnesses we call them the lost sheep of the house of Israel!
Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:08am On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:

I have done my homework and research in a thorough way before dedicating my life as one of Jehovah's Witnesses so i can confidently, boldly assure anyone that that's the one and only organization belonging to God.

The apostates thought they've known all since they were raised in God's organization so there is nothing more to know but just ask any of them to present another church he or she will like to associate with after leaving God's organization instantly they will be provoked!

The wumiwumi guy said he is an elder, he gave the talk yesterday, he knows Bethelites who are looking for a way out of the organization all of that he was saying to me but when i asked him the $1,000,000,000 question:

"Which church are you eyeing after leaving God's organization?"
He flared up saying i shouldn't call it God's organization but Jehovah's Witnesses organization.
OK i rephrased the question:
"Which church are you eyeing after leaving Jehovah's Witnesses organization?"
He said it's none of my business.
Abeg why did he quote me in the first place if his faith is none of my business?
Ọmọ the judgment has begun pure worship has been restored so all those not disposed for everlasting life will take their leave while the precious gems among the nations will flock into God's organization.
When you see all these things happening "stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.” Luke 21:28

So my brother “exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able." Luke 13:24

See you when all evildoers are gone! Psalms 37:7-11 smiley



grin grin grin consolation mode activated. MaxInDHouse are you happy? Psalms 1:1


See you when all evildoers are gone! Psalms 37:7-11

Ask Anthony Morris III he is no longer a faithful and discreet slave after demonstrating how despicable apostates will go up like smoke grin grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:15am On Jun 17
wumiwumi100:



Jesus was bold and courageous, unlike Jackson, whose fear of men prevents him from speaking the truth.

Could you imagine if Christ had responded to Caesar the way G. Jackson did?

Caesar: “Are you the King of the Jews?!”

Christ: “Uhhhh, well... it would be quite presumptuous for me to claim that I’m the only king of the Jews.”

According to Luke 6:6-11, Jesus demonstrated courage by healing the man with the withered hand on the Sabbath, despite knowing that the Pharisees and scribes were watching Him closely, seeking to accuse Him of breaking the Sabbath laws.

Jesus showed courage in several ways:

He knew the risks: Jesus was aware of the Pharisees' intentions and the potential consequences of His actions, but He chose to act anyway.

He confronted the critics: Jesus addressed the Pharisees' concerns directly, asking them if it was lawful to do good or harm on the Sabbath.

He took action: Despite the potential backlash, Jesus healed the man, showing that His compassion and commitment to doing good outweighed His fear of criticism.

He stood firm: Even after the Pharisees became enraged and plotted against Him, Jesus remained steadfast in His actions and message.

By healing the man on the Sabbath, Jesus demonstrated that His priorities were focused on showing love, compassion, and kindness, rather than fearing the opinions of others. This took great courage and continues to inspire people to stand up for what is right, even in the face of adversity.

Unlike Jesus, G. Jackson and the Governing Body are not courageous enough to assert in court that they are the sole channel of God on earth.

Na the concept Jehovah's organization dey colour their thinking and vision. grin grin grin.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:20am On Jun 17
wumiwumi100:


It's not easy at all. You know the feeling you get when you say something you know is a lie. I am already causing some real trouble among the body of elders. I don't allow them to police people arbitrarily or discipline publishers as they wish. I've also won the majority of the elders to my side, so anything I say is final. The body of elders is like politics: the majority wins the context. But by next month, I will resign from my position as an elder.


You see that politics ehn no be small in the midst of elders. Even the circuit overseer looks more like the godfather in whatever circuit he serve regarding playing politics with lives of their members made subject under them grin grin grin


The shock of your resignation go catch them, they start running helter-skelter to seek why grin grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:22am On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:
I have always told all enemies of God's people on this forum that we have our own common language that wherever we hear it no matter what religion such a belongs presently he or she is one of Jehovah's Witnesses and no matter who the person is or his office of oversight in God's organization once he can't speak our language he or she missed his road he will sooner or later find his way out of God's organization.

God's organization!

If a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim or member of any religion strongly believe that only his religion is God's only channel to reach mankind such a person is one of Jehovah's Witnesses we call them the lost sheep of the house of Israel!

grin grin grin grin grin

You must console your lies and manipulations filled brains

If a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim or member of any religion strongly believe that only his religion is God's only channel to reach mankind such a person is one of Jehovah's Witnesses we call them the lost sheep of the house of Israel

You don't call them lost sheep of the house of Israel, they are part of babylon the great empire of false religion. grin grin grin

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:31am On Jun 17
For your reading delight...

As I understand it, people who no longer want to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but who have been, must then dissociate; is that right?” says Angus Stewart, the Senior Counsel Assisting to the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

Stewart looks briefly up at the witness under oath and then back at his notes. Across from him is a TV screen projecting a videoconference feed of Geoffrey Jackson, a member of the eight-man governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses responsible for the spiritual and organizational leadership of over 8.5 million Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide.

Jackson: No, not necessarily. I meet many people in my travels that perhaps were Jehovah’s Witnesses at one stage but then have decided no longer to be active. So, they haven’t gone through a formal process.

Stewart: Well, I have chosen my words deliberately, Mr. Jackson.

Stewart repeats the question, challenging Jackson’s evasion.

Stewart: If someone no longer wants to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they must then disassociate; is that right?

Jackson: Again, please, if they want to take the action of doing that. But, of course, they have total freedom. If they don’t want to apply to officially be removed as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they can tell anyone they want that they are no longer a Jehovah’s Witness.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:34am On Jun 17
The prosecutor then reads from the official policy of Jehovah’s Witnesses as published by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania (WTS) regarding the procedure for discontinuing membership as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The policy is clear: if a Jehovah’s Witness (JW) decides that she no longer wants to be a member of the religion, she must disassociate herself and will be shunned from the community. Further, if she chooses not to formally disassociate but is later discovered to have violated the organization’s strict code of conduct, she will be disfellowshipped. (Disfellowshipping refers to WTS’s disciplinary policy of formal excommunication from the religion. The policy also calls upon close friends and blood relatives to shun the disfellowshipped person.)

Stewart again attempts to hold Jackson to the unambiguous policy of disassociation and disfellowshipping enforced by the influential preacher.

Stewart: So is it the case, then, that someone who no longer wants to be recognized as or known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses must then disassociate?

Jackson: No, it doesn’t say that they must do anything. If you read on, you will see there is a process. This gives the person the right to officially have an announcement made that they are no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. But, as I already said, if they decide they don’t want to exercise that right, they don’t automatically come under this provision.

Stewart: But then people who don’t exercise that right are then (...) still subject to the rules and discipline of the organization, aren’t they?

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:38am On Jun 17
Jackson evades again.

Jackson: I would have to check on that, because personally that’s not my field. But my understanding is, if a person has made it known by their actions in the community over a period of years that they are not a Witness, we would only hold any reports in abeyance until they decided they wanted to return.

Stewart pushes back once more.

Stewart: Mr. Jackson, I have to say that my understanding is if someone in that position is caught transgressing one of the rules, they would still be subject to the disciplinary proceedings, including possibly disfellowshipping; is that not right?

Jackson: That is a possibility, but in all fairness to your question, I think there are circumstances, but I couldn’t make a definitive comment on that.

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:41am On Jun 17
Stewart goes on to present a hypothetical in which a JW who chooses not to formally disassociate and face shunning from his friends and family is caught by congregation elders celebrating Christmas or a birthday (customs considered by JWs to be part of false religion and detestable to God).

Stewart: They would be found to be in transgression of the rules, would they not?

Jackson: That is not my understanding. But again, as I said, it is not my field, that goes into policy with regard to those types of things, but from my personal experience, that’s not the case.

Stewart (indignantly): Mr. Jackson, you say it’s not your field, but you are a member of the Governing Body which is responsible, as you have said, for the whole field, and you have been a member for 10 years, and all the committees are responsible to and accountable to the Governing Body.

Jackson: That is correct.




You see how a governing body member can lie under oath grin grin grin grin

To be continued........

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Re: The Year 1914 When Jesus began ruling in heaven by achorladey: 10:46am On Jun 17
At this point in the proceedings, Stewart is only barely able to conceal his frustration. Official policy is clear: every JW is subject to the rules of the organization under threat of judicial action. This includes prohibitions on premarital sex, the celebration of holidays, voting, and violating the policy of shunning by having spiritual association with ex-member family or friends.

Stewart: Well, there’s no middle road, is there? I mean, you are either a member and subject to the organization or are not – isn’t it the case?

Jackson: Yes, but I thought you were asking me about disassociation.

Stewart: Well, I am, indeed. So if someone hasn’t disassociated but has sought merely to become inactive or to fade [away from the organization], they are then still subject to the organization’s discipline and rules?

Jackson: If they acknowledge being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Stewart: And if they do the contrary – which is to say they are not one of Jehovah’s Witnesses – the effect of that is disassociation?

Jackson: That’s if they decide to go down that course. (…)

Stewart: So someone who wants to leave the organization must choose, you accept, between freedom from the organization on the one hand and friends, family, and social network on the other?

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