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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibunkun1(m): 11:35am On Jun 18
Unlimited22:

Best get it out the way early.

And a good test to see if Mascara is worth his salt.

True grin. E don get name already grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibunkun1(m): 11:39am On Jun 18
Jodera:
Una don start again.

Una no dey taya cheesy cheesy cheesy

grin grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 11:41am On Jun 18
Jodera:
Una don start again.

Una no dey taya cheesy cheesy cheesy

Pep is a confam goat 🐐 when it comes to coaching, like he's the s.i unit of it so you have to expect every twist and turns...

"Pep won't do this in England, he won't play this way in England he'll be found out" etc...

Pep failed in his first season, Conte won the League and the comments on this section and other platforms were mostly "i told you so and so about Pep"

"Pep can't win UCL without Messi" also thrashed out.

Fact is, the day he leaves EPL, most fans will rejoice unless you're a city fan.

Today, we want him to coach a national team, he'll go there and dominate then we'll want him to coach our university team to the UCL final.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:43am On Jun 18
drisham:


No be agenda boss

City go too suffer without pep

Story!

Let Arteta take over City with their mago mago spendings, still allowed.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amigoss: 11:43am On Jun 18
drisham:


Una don start

Pep will easily coach any NT to glory

Like he will coach Nigeria to win the worldcup?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jamiuokolla: 11:44am On Jun 18
Amigoss:


Like he will coach Nigeria to win the worldcup?

Leave them o

Like say NT job na anyhow job

E fit win with super eagles sha, if them implement transfer policy for NT football and hand him £200bn to overhaul the team grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:45am On Jun 18
oliverano:


Pep is a confam goat 🐐 when it comes to coaching, like he's the s.i unit of it so you have to expect every twist and turns...

"Pep won't do this in England, he won't play this way in England he'll be found out" etc...

Pep failed in his first season, Conte won the League and the comments on this section and other platforms were mostly "i told you so and so about Pep"

"Pep can't win UCL without Messi" also thrashed out.

Fact is, the day he leaves EPL, most fans will rejoice unless you're a city fan.

Today, we want him to coach a national team, he'll go there and dominate then we'll want him to coach our university team to the UCL final.

What Fraudiola couldn't do without Messi, he could do with 115 charges 'blng bling' on his neck.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 11:55am On Jun 18
airmark:


What Fraudiola couldn't do without Messi, he could do with 115 charges 'blng bling' on his neck.

tongue

He's a great coach first wink then there is....

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amigoss: 11:59am On Jun 18
Jamiuokolla:


Leave them o

Like say NT job na anyhow job

E fit win with super eagles sha, if them implement transfer policy for NT football and hand him £200bn to overhaul the team grin


I just tire,he said any like say pep fess use spurs win league....He dominated using the best league teams..
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:00pm On Jun 18
Jamiuokolla:


On the contrary, they somewhat "avoid" NT jobs till their later years because it isn't necessarily "representative" of their capabilities.... the "boring" nature also makes it less appealing

NT tournament football wey be say one loss and two draws and boom - you are out of the group stages of a major competition and would probably have to wait for another 2 or 4 years....during which the manager has already been tagged a failure

Most times, the managers wouldn't even have enough time to instill their desired style of play - shey na the once in 6 months training sessions person like pep go say e wan use implement tiki taka?
I believe we're almost saying the same thing cos we both agree it's less appealing and boring compared to club football.....

....but the mistake you're making is you think Pep would stress himself to instill pattern as if he's coaching a club side. I beg to differ cos most national coaches don't instill pattern. All they just need is for a country to have good players who can easily assimilate tactics (due to no time), then set the template and you're good to go. That's why most countries that have golden generation (especially if the set is concentrated on a particular country) will go far even with average coach. Eg Germany golden generation (with Bayern and Dortmund), Spain golden generation (with Barca and Madrid) and presently England Golden generation (reaching finals even with scrap Southgate).

E come be oga pata pata Pep wey Sabi template?
Make him just hold Spain, this German squad or England squad first, you go know how far grin grin grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 12:02pm On Jun 18
Amigoss:


Like he will coach Nigeria to win the worldcup?

No, I don't think he can win the world cup with Nigeria because football is about player quality first then coaching. No matter the coaching, Luton town won't win EPL because of lack of quality but if Pep was to coach them, you'll see clear patterns just like what Biesla was doing at Leeds but it'll be even better because Pep is better than Biesla.

With our quality, he can coach the super eagles to glory (AFCON)
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:03pm On Jun 18
oliverano:


Pep is a confam goat 🐐 when it comes to coaching, like he's the s.i unit of it so you have to expect every twist and turns...

"Pep won't do this in England, he won't play this way in England he'll be found out" etc...

Pep failed in his first season, Conte won the League and the comments on this section and other platforms were mostly "i told you so and so about Pep"

"Pep can't win UCL without Messi" also thrashed out.

Fact is, the day he leaves EPL, most fans will rejoice unless you're a city fan.

Today, we want him to coach a national team, he'll go there and dominate then we'll want him to coach our university team to the UCL final.
cheesy cheesy grin grin cheesy

Na everyday I dey pray make him leave this coming season

Na real Goat of coaching cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:05pm On Jun 18
Jamiuokolla:


Leave them o

Like say NT job na anyhow job

E fit win with super eagles sha, if them implement transfer policy for NT football and hand him £200bn to overhaul the team grin
If pep coach Nigeria with our quality littered everywhere, we'll certainly win nations cup back to back.

And as for world cup, we'll certainly reach at least the quarterfinal berth ( Emphasis on at least)
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 12:06pm On Jun 18
Jodera:

cheesy cheesy grin grin cheesy

Na everyday I dey pray make him leave this coming season

Na real Goat of coaching cheesy

grin grin grin

Na fact....

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:07pm On Jun 18
Amigoss:



I just tire,he said any like say pep fess use spurs win league....He dominated using the best league teams..
I can't vouch that he'll win league but if pep handles Spurs, they'll be league contenders
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jamiuokolla: 12:12pm On Jun 18
Jodera:

I believe we're almost saying the same thing cos we both agree it's less appealing and boring compared to club football.....

....but the mistake you're making is you think Pep would stress himself to instill pattern as if he's coaching a club side. I beg to differ cos most national coaches don't instill pattern. All they just need is for a country to have good players who can easily assimilate tactics (due to no time), then set the template and you're good to go. That's why most countries that have golden generation (especially if the set is concentrated on a particular country) will go far even with average coach. Eg Germany golden generation (with Bayern and Dortmund), Spain golden generation (with Barca and Madrid) and presently England Golden generation (reaching finals even with scrap Southgate).

E come be oga pata pata Pep wey Sabi template?
Make him just hold Spain, this German squad or England squad first, you go know how far grin grin grin

That is why I said Pep should handle a NT and we would know how far

Like I stressed earlier, NT job is a completely different kettle of fish and you yourself don agree....

In one breath, you say he doesn't need to implement a pattern. In another breath, you are talking about players assimilating tactics

Which is which?


No be here all of us dey when the Almighty French team (defending champions) with them Henry, Djibril Cisse Trezeguet etc, failed to score a goal at the 2002 WC and finished bottom of a group that had senegal and Denmark?

Who could have thought that the English team with prime scholes, Lampard, Gerard Rooney etc would fail so miserably?

Wetin almighty Italy achieve for France 98 and even Korea Japan 2002?

Are we saying all these teams didn't have players that could assimilate tactics?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jamiuokolla: 12:22pm On Jun 18
Jodera:

I can't vouch that he'll win league but if pep handles Spurs, they'll be league contenders

Is there any historical evidence to support this?

give one example...just one
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:31pm On Jun 18
Jamiuokolla:


Is there any historical evidence to support this?

give one example...just one
Barca.

I know it'll sound ridiculous because of how good Barca was then but prior before he took over Barca, they were down. Almost didn't make the UCL while finishing 4th.

Disbanded most of the top tier players while bringing in Dem busquet, pique and co. Xavi and Iniesta were given prominent roles. With that kinda personnel he churned out those results for years(not just one season), then no how he won't do something at Spurs.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amigoss: 12:39pm On Jun 18
Jodera:
Barca.

I know it'll sound ridiculous because of how good Barca was then but prior before he took over Barca, they were down. Almost didn't make the UCL while finishing 4th.

Disbanded most of the top tier players while bringing in Dem busquet, pique and co. Xavi and Iniesta were given prominent roles. With that kinda personnel he churned out those results for years(not just one season), then no how he won't do something at Spurs.

He didn't dare to do this in England,The competitiveness of the league and his average first season turned him into a checkbook manager....
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jamiuokolla: 12:40pm On Jun 18
Jodera:
Barca.

I know it'll sound ridiculous because of how good Barca was then but prior before he took over Barca, they were down. Almost didn't make the UCL while finishing 4th.

Disbanded most of the top tier players while bringing in Dem busquet, pique and co. Xavi and Iniesta were given prominent roles. With that kinda personnel he churned out those results for years(not just one season), then no how he won't do something at Spurs.

It doesn't sound ridiculous - it is ridiculous comparing Barcelona of 2006 -2009 to Totten-fucking-ham grin

Haba

All in a bid to hype pep o grin

Na these kind things dey make some people to reply with statements that would make it seem Pep is a nobody cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:42pm On Jun 18
Jamiuokolla:


That is why I said Pep should handle a NT and we would know how far

Like I stressed earlier, NT job is a completely different kettle of fish and you yourself don agree....

In one breath, you say he doesn't need to implement a pattern. In another breath, you are talking about players assimilating tactics

Which is which?


No be here all of us dey when the Almighty French team (defending champions) with them Henry, Djibril Cisse Trezeguet etc, failed to score a goal at the 2002 WC and finished bottom of a group that had senegal and Denmark?

Who could have thought that the English team with prime scholes, Lampard, Gerard Rooney etc would fail so miserably?

Wetin almighty Italy achieve for France 98 and even Korea Japan 2002?

Are we saying all these teams didn't have players that could assimilate tactics?

In NT all you just need as a coach good is blend of quality players, and guts and you're good to go (at least you need to be averagely good). If you're a great coach, even better.

All those ones na mostly average coaches (Dem Roy Hodgson dem)
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:48pm On Jun 18
Amigoss:


He didn't dare to do this in England,The competitiveness of the league and his average first season turned him into a checkbook manager....
While what you said is true but at least he earned the right to be a cheque book manager.

The only reason why I cant vouch that will win league is that he won't be a cheque book manager in Spurs. But that won't stop them from being competitive in league and winning one or two cups here and there.

With Pep, Spurs won't be trophiless

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:55pm On Jun 18
Jamiuokolla:


It doesn't sound ridiculous - it is ridiculous comparing Barcelona of 2006 -2009 to Totten-fucking-ham grin

Haba

All in a bid to hype pep o grin

Na these kind things dey make some people to reply with statements that would make it seem Pep is a nobody cheesy

Alot can happen within a year boss.
2006-2009 is 3 full years

Even Manchester City of 2021-2024 is different.

With this current crop of players with few additions, Pep will play his game and they won't be trophiless within his normal 3-yr span at least
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jamiuokolla: 12:55pm On Jun 18
Jodera:


In NT all you just need as a coach good is blend of quality players, and guts and you're good to go (at least you need to be averagely good). If you're a great coach, even better.

All those ones na mostly average coaches (Dem Roy Hodgson dem)

The French team that failed Miserably at the 2002 WC was coached by the same manager that led them to victory at the 2000 Euros - NT football na your mate? grin

Capello who also failed with England that had prime Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Scholes etc was an Average coach?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jamiuokolla: 1:02pm On Jun 18
Jodera:

While what you said is true but at least he earned the right to be a cheque book manager.

The only reason why I cant vouch that will win league is that he won't be a cheque book manager in Spurs. But that won't stop them from being competitive in league and winning one or two cups here and there.

With Pep, Spurs won't be trophiless

That's the point - such things are not possible with NT football...at least for now.

Like you have just confirmed, they would have to introduce player transfers for NT football, if Pep is to be guaranteed success grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 1:05pm On Jun 18
Jamiuokolla:


The French team that failed Miserably at the 2002 WC was coached by the same manager that led them to victory at the 2000 Euros - NT football na your mate? grin

Capello who also failed with England that had prime Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Scholes etc was an Average coach?
But all these ones are "one offs" Sha.

For every example you give, there are tons of average coaches with good teams who excelled. See scolari Brazil for example.

Del Bosque of Spain is another one. I doubt that one Sabi tiki taka but because he saw Barca contingent, him come Sabi am tiki taka for Spain by miracle grin grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 1:06pm On Jun 18
oliverano:


tongue

He's a great coach first wink then there is....

I hope you are not one of those that hail yahoo boys and drug pushers to high heavens, because of their achievements.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jamiuokolla: 1:12pm On Jun 18
Jodera:

But all these ones are "one offs" Sha.

For every example you give, there are tons of average coaches with good teams who excelled. See scolari Brazil for example.

Del Bosque of Spain is another one. I doubt that one Sabi tiki taka but because he saw Barca contingent, him come Sabi am tiki taka for Spain by miracle grin grin

This is why I said earlier that for me o, I wouldn't use NT tourney football to rate - it isn't entirely representative of the actual abilities of a coach and even players....

I checked again and saw that Trapatonni - a serial winner previously with Juve, Inter, Bayern etc was the manager in charge of Italy's embarrassment at the 2002 WC cheesy

There is a real reason most of these managers "dodge" NT assignment - that job is a poisoned chalice!

Let me just put it this way for proper context - I wouldn't judge Pep for failing at Country level
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 1:12pm On Jun 18
Jamiuokolla:


That's the point - such things are not possible with NT football...at least for now.

Like you have just confirmed, they would have to introduce player transfers for NT football, if Pep is to be guaranteed success grin

With National team, he'll access to multiple access of quality players (which is similar to check book). Someone like Wharton and Mainoo might be starting in this England's team alongside Rice if he was the one managing England
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 1:14pm On Jun 18
Jamiuokolla:


This is why I said earlier that for me o, I wouldn't use NT tourney football to rate - it isn't entirely representative of the actual abilities of a coach and even players....

I checked again and saw that Trapatonni - a serial winner previously with Juve, Inter, Bayern etc was the manager in charge of Italy's embarrassment at the 2002 WC cheesy

There is a real reason most of these managers "dodge" NT assignment - that job is poisoned chalice!

Let me just put it this way for proper context - I wouldn't judge Pep for failing at
Lol... Differing opinions but it's fair enough cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 1:38pm On Jun 18
airmark:


I hope you are not one of those that hail yahoo boys and drug pushers to high heavens, because of their achievements.

Josep Guradiola is a great coach, period!

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 1:46pm On Jun 18
Jodera:

But all these ones are "one offs" Sha.

For every example you give, there are tons of average coaches with good teams who excelled. See scolari Brazil for example.

Del Bosque of Spain is another one. I doubt that one Sabi tiki taka but because he saw Barca contingent, him come Sabi am tiki taka for Spain by miracle grin grin

Del Bosque is a top coach though and his achievements with Spain wasn't really a miracle. More like a great coach meeting great players.

Pep is better than Bosque and will win something serious with a serious footballing nation if he decides to look at international football.

Pep will not suddenly forget how to coach because it's "international football" lol 😂😂😂

Jodera you remember this masterclass from Pep and co abi...no vex grin

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