Mujtahida:

Talk like a mature man. Not this childish idea of saying I agreed with you. We no dey primary school. Your sophistry is well known. You said great football memories trumps winning the world cup and I vehemently disagreed.

Goke7:


are you saying nothing is learned apart from the possession pattern of play? haba something too has worked for the Romanians today and it's also part of their learning

Mujtahida:

You are shallow Bro. I'll explain. In the 19th century Nietzsche railed against the advances of modern life and labeled it corrupt. In exasperation he made a statement, 'God is dead' a statement that has been much misunderstood and misinterpreted. Nietzsche was attacking the deadness of modern life just as I am attacking the deadness of tiki taka and you ask me to explain why I say it is corrupt?

Few days ago you asked me about what's the difference between tiki taka and possession football. That you can ask such a question baffled me and I answered you in a simple manner.

To you tiki taka is the best form of football. Why should I explain to you why it is corrupt? If you cannot deduce my reasons for saying this from all my complaints about that style of football, then your comprehension get as e be.

TheGoodJoe:


I don't know how you want me to argue with you when you actually agreed on the point I made. Why are you whining?

Mujtahida:

😂😂😂 Theoretical master, in the true sense I'm not arguing with you, I'm teaching you lessons by bursting your delusions. Gerrit?

TheGoodJoe:


Literally no answers here. So case close. As I expected, you don't even know what you are arguing.

Mujtahida:

😂😂😂 Theoretical master, in the true sense I'm not arguing with you, I'm teaching you lessons by bursting your delusions. Gerrit?

Mujtahida:

You don't get it, don't you? We are not in primary school na. Didn't you do deductive reasoning?

minfelix:
it must be tikitaka or no football 🤣🤣.
Any style of football that can make you win back to back to back major trophy is fine and super fine by me
Teams Like cameroon and Egypt are not known for tikitaka but they have successfully done a consecutive double/triple at Afcon trophy.
Even masters of tikitaka spain won consecutive treble of trophies from 2008/2010/2012, since then they have been found wanting.
Brazil at a point used their samba style to win WC on almost all the continents except africa..and for sometimes now they have gone mute.
Italy used defensive pattern to lift WC and have been mute for a while.
The koko is wether tikitaka,defensive,ghen ghen pressing, all have been able to lift the WC trophy and master-minders of this football craft have also at some point gone mute…
i dont know why tikitaka is seen as the only way if there is no way

TheGoodJoe:


How do you teach lessons without making points? I love learning but damn, you literally just rant.

If you are making points, I am all ears. But you ain't.

Mujtahida:

You think you are smart. Person wey I know. If you ain't seeing my points it buttresses my point that your delusion is so strong that it makes you impervious to simple logic.

You couldn't understand my answer to your question on the difference between tiki taka and possession football. You couldn't understand it!

minfelix:
it must be tikitaka or no football 🤣🤣.
Any style of football that can make you win back to back to back major trophy is fine and super fine by me
Teams Like cameroon and Egypt are not known for tikitaka but they have successfully done a consecutive double/triple at Afcon trophy.
Even masters of tikitaka spain won consecutive treble of trophies from 2008/2010/2012, since then they have been found wanting.
Brazil at a point used their samba style to win WC on almost all the continents except africa..and for sometimes now they have gone mute.
Italy used defensive pattern to lift WC and have been mute for a while.
The koko is wether tikitaka,defensive,ghen ghen pressing, all have been able to lift the WC trophy and master-minders of this football craft have also at some point gone mute…
i dont know why tikitaka is seen as the only way if there is no way
IMO no one is better than the other…infact most times fluke wins sef dey sweet, cos it add awe,shock and surprises to the game…see zambia of 2012 see chelsea of 2012

minfelix:
it must be tikitaka or no football 🤣🤣.
Any style of football that can make you win back to back to back major trophy is fine and super fine by me
Teams Like cameroon and Egypt are not known for tikitaka but they have successfully done a consecutive double/triple at Afcon trophy.
Even masters of tikitaka spain won consecutive treble of trophies from 2008/2010/2012, since then they have been found wanting.
Brazil at a point used their samba style to win WC on almost all the continents except africa..and for sometimes now they have gone mute.
Italy used defensive pattern to lift WC and have been mute for a while.
The koko is wether tikitaka,defensive,ghen ghen pressing, all have been able to lift the WC trophy and master-minders of this football craft have also at some point gone mute…
i dont know why tikitaka is seen as the only way if there is no way
IMO no one is better than the other…infact most times fluke wins sef dey sweet, cos it add awe,shock and surprises to the game…see zambia of 2012 see chelsea of 2012

TheGoodJoe:


I repeat, history remembers more those that dominate. Most times, it titles towards the possessive game. Even Samba Brazil has that possessive flair.

In recent years, tactical growth has come from the tiki Taka offsprings.

This is a fact, not stating.

do4luv14:
playing house who is Marc brys?

jihday:
when a local coach fail we’ll find fault everywhere except with the coach, I’ve not seen one journalist or ex player talk about Finidi’s diabolical team selection but everybody is talking about how the team lack discipline and other points that don’t hold water. Journalists and explayers are a major problem

TheGoodJoe:


In the end, you are jumping the main point, which is dominance. I want to see the Super Eagles dominate one day. I desperately want to see it and believe we are capable.

Now, how do you think we can achieve such? Playing defensive football? Tell me a dominant team in history that did that. I don't know any.

That is my point.

minfelix:

oga its a lie, nothing like tikitaka offspring, one team choose to pass the ball around and knocking in the midfield looking for loop hole defense to penetrate,the other choose to play on the run pass and another decide to seat back and catch u on counter…Tikitaka is not the father of football possession and tactics…Mexico won the first world cup…they didn’t use tikitaka…dey are not knwn for tikitaka.
Tikitaka is a branch of football ideology to see if domination or possession can be achieved…it works and still doesn’t work…it did not birth football dominance/possession

TheGoodJoe:


In the end, you are jumping the main point, which is dominance. I want to see the Super Eagles dominate one day. I desperately want to see it and believe we are capable.

Now, how do you think we can achieve such? Playing defensive football? Tell me a dominant team in history that did that. I don't know any.

That is my point.

minfelix:

super eagles of keshi dominated the second half against CIV and it was not with tikitaka
Gernot Rohr dominated cameroon in 2017 and it was not with tikitaka…tikitaka is not the only way to dominate…

TheGoodJoe:


Teach us. Make your point. It is not about smartness. It is about you teaching us. I want to learn.

TheGoodJoe:


Make your point than given imaginary point. Tell me your point. I don't give you deductive reasoning points. What are you saying? Tell me what I missed.

Mujtahida:

Dominance means nothing if you don't win. Ukraine dominated Romania and lost. History will not remember your wishy washy idea of Ukraine's dominance. Romania don knack them 3-0. Finito

And I'd go so far as saying this idea of dominance you have is another delusion. Nigeria doesn't dominate teams. We win or we lose. Did we dominate Spain in France 98?or Brazil in Atlanta 96 or Zambia at the finals of Afcon 94? Nope. We simply won.

Silentgroper:


Agbaya isn't a curse word though..

TheGoodJoe:


Most dominant sides in recent years have been very good with possession. I think this explains it better. if you disagree, I would like to know.

Mujtahida:

😂😂😂 I've been teaching all along. Haven't you absorbed any of my lessons?

Person wey I sabi. You will lurn. Shebi you think you are a master of cyclical arguments.

TheGoodJoe:


Dominance is not a game but series of games, to years. Like winning streak and lifting multiple titles in a season or years. Keshi and Rohr do not fall into the equation.

TheGoodJoe:


Teacher, teach is the difference between possession football and Tiki Taka, hence you said you like possession football and hate Tiki Taka.

minfelix:


once again oga, football cannot be rigid and hard as you want it to be, domination is not pride, winning is pride.
if you think you have an edge over me because you pass the ball around to add to you 80% possession, then that is rubbish…i cant dominate you in your house and you are still beating me….its like a fat big bride that look dominating on wedding day but in the night on the bed his broom tiny looking husband will pin her down and smash the hell out of her life

minfelix:

bros dont jus bring in any Guardiola philosophy to buttress your point of winning streak over the years…plss give me a national team coach that is staying year to year (for a 5-7yrs stretch) playing dominating football and winning all trophy for the period of the years i gave