TheGoodJoe:


You are yet to make your point. I said you don't know what you are arguing. Prove to me you know by making your point clear. Mr. Lurn.

minfelix:


once again oga, football cannot be rigid and hard as you want it to be, domination is not pride, winning is pride.
if you think you have an edge over me because you pass the ball around to add to you 80% possession, then that is rubbish…i cant dominate you in your house and you are still beating me….its like a fat big bride that look dominating on wedding day but in the night on the bed his broom tiny looking husband will pin her down and smash the hell out of her life

minfelix:

bros dont jus bring in any Guardiola philosophy to buttress your point of winning streak over the years…plss give me a national team coach that is staying year to year (for a 5-7yrs stretch) playing dominating football and winning all trophy for the period of the years i gave

TheGoodJoe:


Let me repeat myself so you understand what I mean by dominance. Liverpool in the time of Keegan and Dalglish. Benfica in the time of Eusebio. Brazil in the time of Pele. Ajax in the time of Johann Cruyff. Manchester United in the time of Giggs and Scholes. Barcelona in the time of Xavi. Manchester City recently.

I want to see the Super Eagles walking into tournaments and seeing as a team to be feared and put up terrific performances tournament after tournament.

Can you achieve that without being very good in possession?

Goke7:


Thank you o, you know say Oga Joe too like documentaries!

TheGoodJoe:


So I am not expecting teams to win that long but look at Germany winning the World Cup and Euros. Look at Spain winning the World Cup and Euros.

The only national team that have seen cause a havoc by not being possessive and offensive is the Portuguese when they won the Nations Cup and Euros. However, very good possession game is in the middle of most dominance.

That makes it the best route for a side to work towards becoming great.

If you disagree, let me know.

TheGoodJoe:


Let me repeat myself so you understand what I mean by dominance. Liverpool in the time of Keegan and Dalglish. Benfica in the time of Eusebio. Brazil in the time of Pele. Ajax in the time of Johann Cruyff. Manchester United in the time of Giggs and Scholes. Barcelona in the time of Xavi. Manchester City recently.

I want to see the Super Eagles walking into tournaments and seeing as a team to be feared and put up terrific performances tournament after tournament.

Can you achieve that without being very good in possession?

minfelix:


super eagles of 1994 dominated without tikitaka, super eagles of 1994 didn’t dominate zambia at the final, it was a balanced game, we won their second stringed team with a slim margin…our football pedigree still make team fear us…not because we are that 100% dominant team..na only 3afcon we get…if we walk into any game against any african team the fear will still be there..the 1994 set created this fear not becos there were 100% dominant…1994 set werent a dominant/possession team but a “determinant team” if im permitted to use that word

minfelix:

so since you are not expecting teams to have that long streak, it means other with another tactical display will step in to also win, thats to tell yo, its not about domination

Goke7:


Not true, winning titles is the ultimate, the Spanish team for all their beautiful play came more into the reckoning when they won the World Cup. The Dutch National team till tomorrow are labeled as 'underachievers', that's what their beautiful play has fetched them

Odunayaw:
Someone get this guy a medic! What is this 😦

Silentgroper:


Agbaya isn't a curse word though..

Mujtahida:

So long as it is not possession football of the tiki taka, kpa kpa kpa robotic variety.. If it is the possession style that our team has always played or an improved version of it other than tiki taka, then that's great.

I wanted to say may tiki taka perish in Nigeria but no need. We are not cut for that kind of mechanical and starchy football. Tiki taka Wil never be our style of football. Never!

TheGoodJoe:


I won't tag the Super Eagles a historically dominant side. But they had some good possessive play.

Goke7:


funny enough the Dutch who invented or made tiki-taka popular are yet to win the World Cup, your theory no enter

minfelix:

so then it means it was not all about our dominance that created fear in our opponents….we dont play 100% dominantly but teams still fear us in Africa…we won afcon against Bfaso because our the fear bfaso had for us after beating CIV, all these are not becos we dominate.
if we had won CIV in 2024 Ghana for no get mouth to yab us cos we would have equaled there record.
Pesero should have rested some players and started fresh legs to play and win CIV…we needed to be recessive let CIV be dominant…football its not all about dominating

TheGoodJoe:


The Dutch national team are labeled underachievers but their 1974 side has the most documentaries made about them.

I got to know of them from a beautiful documentary that was so brilliant.

We are never going to see documentaries and tales of many world cup winning teams. But until tomorrow, that Oranje team will be celebrated and they did not win the World Cup.

Mujtahida:

Have you watched that Dutch team of 74? You go laugh tire. Once the ball is played, all the players will swarm around the ball. Total football they called it. Very funny style of football but they used to advance then sha even though they didn't win the world cup.

minfelix:
How can i dominate you and you still flog me 3-0, and all i hear is its in the long term plan🤣🤣
do you know how 3-0 can demoralize a plan…people and fans(eps 9ja) will be like, who send una mumu domination.
There is no way they can give what they dont have…if you dominate you should be loosing by a slim margin not wide margin.
You are dominating and cant compete…its like trying to force and give what you dont have…there is no long term kan kan…if another team catch them, they will still collect with their pseudo-dominance they are trying to form

TheGoodJoe:


You are now evading the point.

The point is simple. If we are to become that consistent top side, we need to work on playing good possession game because most top sides went that route. The point is simple. It is more than a game or tourney.

TheGoodJoe:


That is why I said time is the true tell of progress. Not a game or tourney.

Finito.

Mujtahida:

Baba you are not a citizen of all the world cup winning countries naww so how did you know that you won't find documentaries on them.

But besides this, your assertion is another one of your theories. They are documentaries on every world cup winning team. You need only search for it.

TheGoodJoe:


😂

It is like you want Karate axe kick. 🥋

Hold ya self because I am controlling myself.

You guys are making it look possessive dominant sides have not won the most. 😂

minfelix:


bros Ukraine will come back from Euro and may mot qualify for the next one, or even struggle to qualify for the next one

Truidstarr:
People forget it’s the same Siasia who claims to be a coach that did not realize that a draw against Guinea was enough to qualify us for a nations cup at home. The same Siasia on a rescue mission ( after Oliseh cowardly resigned) in the second leg of a nations cup qualifier against Egypt away left “Prime” Iwobi and Iheanacho on the bench and played Etebo for 90 minutes. (Few months later Rohr used same Iwobi and Iheanacho to defeat Zambia away). Siasia and Salisu both men of questionable character should handle the Eagles…that is really pushing the boundaries of delusion.

minfelix:

i will still tell you its a big lie, you dont need to be dominant to be consistent….if brazil play us today they will surely dominate us, but are they consistent, since 2002?

minfelix:
Greece did not dominate anything in 2004, yet they are nowhere to be found, spain dominated from 208-2012 , yet they are no where to be found.
There is nothing like longterm plan, when you are winning its simply your time…it will soon be over wether you are dominating or not

TheGoodJoe:


That is just guessing. You aren't time. Allow time to tell.

TheGoodJoe:


😂

My belle O! Laugh wants to burst it.

TheGoodJoe:


Spain is current Nations League champions.