Reflect7:


SHUT UP.

How dare you dismiss the experiences of MILLIONS of near-dear experiencers?

Are you crazy?

LordReed:


Prove it.

Westerhoffe:


I should start telling you things I've seen in the dreams that came to reality?
How many shall I say off?

See, don't joke with dreams when you have one.

It's possible you may not understand if you're not much into spiritual warfare though.

LordReed:


You don't get it, you cannot prove you had a dream that came to pass after the fact. Anybody can make such a claim. So unless you documented it before hand then forget it.

I have dreams that come to pass too even as an atheist so what proof are dreams?

So, you mean I should have told you about them before they come to pass?
Like, document them, make them public, and wait for them to happen in reality?
Are you for real?

Westerhoffe:


So, you mean I should have told you about them before they come to pass?
Like, document them, make them public, and wait for them to happen in reality?
Are you for real?

LordReed:


Yes. Yes I am for real. It doesn't have to be public but it has to be verifiable. I will not believe anyone that says their dream came to pass otherwise nor do I expect you to believe me either.

Westerhoffe:


You think I'm making claims… when you've not even heard or read me mention any…
Well, it's fine.

LordReed:


Of course you're making claims, you are yet to substantiate anything you've said. And I am showing you the way to substantiate it. Start a dream journal, document your dreams then show me one you think will come to pass before it happens. Is that too hard to do?

I don't have to prove anything to you.
I should start a dream journal, then come to show you… because you're what?
Just end this…

Westerhoffe:


I don't have to prove anything to you.
I should start a dream journal, then come to show you… because you're what?
Just end this…

LordReed:


It was you who mentioned dreams in response to my question so it's not about proving anything to me.

Westerhoffe:


And so?

LordReed:


And so I was showing you how to substantiate your claim. But you don't want to do something so simple because you think you'd be proving yourself to me? LoLz. It's so funny.

Westerhoffe:


I'm not going to.
I don't need to substantiate anything about my dreams that came to reality to you or anyone, and I'm not going to. That's what I'm telling you.

This conversation isn't even making any sense to me anymore.

LordReed:


LoLz. Then you say you aren't making claims. If it's not making sense it is because you aren't making sense.

Westerhoffe:


I know what I know and I've seen what I've seen.
And since I said I'm not explaining them to you, how is that a problem now?
Must I tell you?

Reflect7:
GET THIS, YOU BIBLE HEADS:

Death is a TRANSITION BACK TO YOUR PRE-BIRTH CONDITION AS A POWERFUL, IMMORTAL SOUL.

You are NOT your physical body.

Your body is just a COAT worn to participate in Life on Earth.

When it is time for you to leave, you drop your coat and RETURN HOME.

NOBODY SENDS YOU TO ''HELL FIRE'' because you did not ''worship'' ''Jesus'' or even God or 'Muhammed'.

GROW UP.

GOD IS NOT THAT STUPID.

Why would you be punished when they ALL KNOW that you are a temporarily incapacitated soul ensconced in human form, lacking awareness of Ultimate Reality?

When THEY know that as soon as you return home, you would see and recollect everything again?

Why would you be burned in an eternal furnace?

IT'S ALL LIES.

Today, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have reported 'near-death experiences', where a person certified clinically dead, with all bodily functions completely ceasing, recounts a wondrous Out-of-Body experience during the said time.


Common traits that have been reported by NDErs are:

A sense/awareness of being dead.

A sense of peace, well-being, painlessness and other positive emotions.

A sense of removal from the world.

An intense feeling of unconditional love and acceptance.

Experiencing euphoric environments.

An out-of-body experience (OBE). A perception of one's body from an outside position, sometimes observing medical professionals performing resuscitation efforts.

A "tunnel experience" or entering a darkness. A sense of moving up, or through, a passageway or staircase.

A rapid movement toward and/or sudden immersion in a powerful light (or "Being(s) of Light" or "Being(s) dressed in white" who communicate telepathically with the person.

Being reunited with deceased loved ones.

Receiving a life review, commonly referred to as "seeing one's life flash before one's eyes".

Approaching a border or a decision by oneself or others to return to one's body, often accompanied by a reluctance to return.

Suddenly finding oneself back inside one's body.

Connection to the cultural beliefs held by the individual, which seem to dictate some of the phenomena experienced in the NDE, but more so affects the later interpretation thereof



A 1975 study conducted by psychiatrist Raymond Moody on around 150 patients who all claimed to have witnessed an NDE stated that such an experience has nine steps.

The steps are:

Sudden peace and relief from pain.

Perception of a relaxing sound or other-worldly music.

Consciousness or spirit ascending above the person's body, sometimes remotely viewing medical professionals' attempts at resuscitation (autoscopy).

The person's spirit leaving the earthly realm and ascending rapidly through a tunnel of light in a universe of darkness.

Arriving at a brilliant "heavenly place."

Being met by "people of the light," who are usually deceased friends and family, in a joyous reunion.

Meeting with a deity that is often perceived as their religious culture would have perceived it, or as an intense mass emitting pure love and light.

In the presence of the deity, the person undergoes an instantaneous life review and understands how all the good and bad they have done has affected them and others.

The person returns to their earthly body and life, because either they are told it is not their time to die or they are given a choice and they return for the benefit of their family and loved ones.

Moody also explained how not every NDE will have each and every one of these steps, and how it could be different for each experience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience

LordReed:


I asked a question, if you weren't prepared to answer why did you bother? LoLz.

Westerhoffe:


Because I have an answer that exceeds your perspective.

LordReed:


More like your answer could not rise to any decent level so you have to get defensive as if I am attacking you. LoLz.

Westerhoffe:


I have been to, and seen both.

Sapasenator:
■Me too, I have been to and seen both. I even drank tea with the angels and play table tennis with the elders.

Kobojunkie:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Sapasenator:
∆ Abi na, I don't argue with delusional people and prefer to keep them entertained, I cannot disprove their claims and they cannot disprove mine. Hopefully one day, both of us will jam in heaven and settle our claims.
The same with our Daddy GO's claim of drinking Chai Masala tea with god on his dining table. c
Have you noticed all the people that claimed revelation of heaven always have different accounts?
these are individuals with a serious mental health issues who need treatments but we celebrate them in Nigeria.

Westerhoffe:


Get defensive of what?
There are so many things I can tell you but they'll all beat your imagination… that's just the truth.
Nothing like defending here.

It's just like telling a fighter jet pilot he'll be afraid of being in a roller coaster.

LordReed:


Yet a simple suggestion has got you in a tizzy. If you were an aspiring fighter pilot then not only are you afraid of a roller coster you get motion sickness from walking to the bathroom.

No, your question didn't get me any, but you just couldn't process it to accept my answer to turning you down.

I said I'm not documenting or telling you anything, but you refused to let go… what do you call that?

Motion sickness?
It seems you are whining me now…
Where do you think I am from and what do you think is my endurance capacity?

Sapasenator:


Me too, I have been to and seen both. I even drank tea with the angels and played table tennis with the elders.

I don't like sarcasm when I'm being serious.

Westerhoffe:


I don't like sarcasm when I'm being serious.

Westerhoffe:


No, your question didn't get me any, but you just couldn't process it to accept my answer to turning you down.

I said I'm not documenting or telling you anything, but you refused to let go… what do you call that?

Motion sickness?
It seems you are whining me now…
Where do you think I am from and what do you think is my endurance capacity?

LordReed:


I didn't say my question I said my suggestion got you into a tizzy.

You are the one who can't let it go because it has got you in a tizzy.

LoLz. Are you not the one who brought up a fighter jet pilot why are you surprised with motion sickness in the example? You really are in a tizzy.

Westerhoffe:


Your suggestion/question, I've said I'm not telling you anything… what's the issue with that?

LordReed:


What did I say as a response to that? Did I insist that you must? If you where not prepared to answer the question you shouldn't have bothered only to become inflamed because I gave you a suggestion. All you had to do was not respond.

And I said I won't… what's the problem there?
Why are you tensed over that?