Regex:


You also forgot that Iran is among the Sco pact. A military alliance like Nato but unlike nato it has heavyweights like Russia, China and India to say the least. So if USA gets involved, those big boys will be involved and honestly, that war will be on Israel territory and not Iran.

Obedience40:



USA election was stolen

😂😂😂😂😂

you and your conspiracy theories.👽👽
what next aliens would take over the world
😂😂

the USA election is one of the most free and fair election , and has stood the test of times

you should be more concerned about your own nation electoral system

Obedience40:


seems you love fiction movies, explain to me how a swamp of drones would come so close to a Carrier group with out it been destroyed halfway, what are the early detection radars for? The AWACS aircraft what are they meant for, the satellite and the land based radar facilitate what are they meant for? there are different level of countermeasure a Carrier battle group uses and the first is "deterrence" destroying targets before they come within range of the strike group.

when Iran launch it wave of drones and ballistic missiles, how many got into Israeli airspace, 80 percent were intercepted in transit, same would happen, when a wave or swamps of drones is fired. The carrier and it's escorts powerful radars pick it the moment dose drones becomes airborne, there over combine force of over 50 plus jets and attack helos are scrambled to attack and intercept the targets, the destroyers ships surface to air missiles SAM'S like the TOMAHAWK long range cruise missiles are activated they track and start engaging those drones, they are also anti drone countermeasure like jamming the drone signal.

you carefully left the is part of early detection, according to your reasoning, a swamp of over 100 drones, would magically evade radar detection fly in mass for many miles and appear on the door step of a aircrafts carrier.

Obedience40:


I honestly can't see anything on the internet on Russia having built and receive 40surface ship's and 24 Subs.
post the link so we can read it also.

dvkot:
how is a war in ME in Iran favor?
You need to carefully understand geopolitics and not mix it with emotions, Netanyahu wants an excuse for USA to pound Iran to stone age, a serious war in the ME involving Israel against Iran will not be Israel war but rather USA.
USA facilities may suffer but Iran will become second Gaza if not nuked, so tell me how this will favor Iran?
After decades of sanctions they still manage to grow and they will just throw everything away one day to a war they know they can't win? C'mon they not that stupid.
Until Iran has nukes it's not ready for any direct war with Israel.. better they keep doing what they do with the proxies.

Alamkir:


Be honest for once, it wasn't us Nigerians that concluded that US election was stolen, it was the Americans themselves. When Trump won democrats accused Russia of helping trump to manipulate the election, the same thing happened when ancestor Joe won. Nigeria's election rigging is just gra gra, using violence and very obvious means to Rigg elections, but US are expert in systematic rigging of election

OkpaNsukkaisBae:



USA and Israel can't attack Iran directly. They can strike Iranian affiliates in Syria, Iraq, Gaza, Yemen, or Lebanon. So far Iran don't miscalculate by attacking Israel or USA. Iran🇮🇷 is a member of Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO)

Regex:


You also forgot that Iran is among the Sco pact. A military alliance like Nato but unlike nato it has heavyweights like Russia, China and India to say the least. So if USA gets involved, those big boys will be involved and honestly, that war will be on Israel territory and not Iran.

Masterviolence:


Appleyard, you just reminded me of this stupid comment from an ignoramus.

Between Mr Gazprom and this guy, i don't know who's the best at falsifying stats to suit his narrative.
Lets say the west gave you the life that you're currently living, but being able to designate between right from wrong or between good and evil doesn't make you less of a human.

In the last ten years russia has commissioned 9 nuclear submarines.
4 Yesen-class nuclear submarines.
5 Borei-class nuclear submarines.

Yesen-class nuclear submarines.
1. K-560 Severodvinsk project: 885
Commission date: 17 June 2014
Status: Active

2. K-561 Kazan project: 885M
Commission date: 5 May 2021
Status: Active

3. K-573 Novosibirsk project: 885M
Commission date: 21 December 2021
Status: Active

4. K-571 Krasnoyarsk project: 885M
Commission date: 11 December 2023
Status: Active

Notable mention:
5. K-564 Arkhangelsk project: 885M Commission date: Before the end of 2024
Status: Floated

There are currently 4 yesen-class nuclear submarines under constrution.

Borei-class nuclear submarines
1. K-551 Vladimir Monomakh project: 955
Commission date: 19 December 2014
Statu: Active

2. K-549 Knyaz Vladimir project: 955А
Commission date: 12 June 2020
Status: Active

3. K-552 Knyaz Oleg project: 955А
Commission date: 21 December 2021
Status: Active

4. K-553 Generalissimus Suvorov. Project:955А
Commision date: 29 December 2022
Status: Active

5. K-554 Imperator Aleksandr lll project: 955А
Commission date: 11 December 2023 Status: Active

Notable mention:
6. K-555 Knyaz Pozharskiy. project: 955А
Commission date: Before the end of 2024
Status: Launched

There are currently 2 Borei-class submarines underconstruction.

Putin signed a degree some years ago to increase and modernize the russian navy and i believe what they're doing is to build and commission every weapon on their inventory even of it is 2units yearly.
That being said, russia has commissioned over a dozen diesel-electric submarines like the kilo-class submarines which are more stealther than nuclear submarines but their only downside is rage.

I pray one day you find redemption.

dvkot:
how is a war in ME in Iran favor?
You need to carefully understand geopolitics and not mix it with emotions, Netanyahu wants an excuse for USA to pound Iran to stone age, a serious war in the ME involving Israel against Iran will not be Israel war but rather USA.
USA facilities may suffer but Iran will become second Gaza if not nuked, so tell me how this will favor Iran?
After decades of sanctions they still manage to grow and they will just throw everything away one day to a war they know they can't win? C'mon they not that stupid.
Until Iran has nukes it's not ready for any direct war with Israel.. better they keep doing what they do with the proxies.

Obedience40:


Americans?? You mean a small minority' who were brainwashed by trump, only trumpet believe in the fallacy of election being rigged, the VP pence a Republican credited the election as free and fair and did the ratification of the electoral college result.

majority of senior Republican in both houses endorsed the election

trump lawyer's all told him the election was free and fair, but he was a sore loser and b continue screaming electoral malpractice.
an inquest by the attorney general office found no discrepancies in the election.

Masterviolence:


This is a very factual and realistic write-up.

This is obviously how things will play out.
Many on this platform claiming an iran vs israel war will see israel destroyed don't know that iran will never rise again if they face off with israel without acquiring nukes, we all know that israel can't fight iran alone, hence a war with israel is a war with the u.s and the u.s will brutally execute that war turning iran to an inhabitable stone age scenerio.
The 2 reasons, the u.s has not gone to war with this people is the lack of evidence to invade iran.
Secondly is the reaction of other superpowers if the the u.s decide to invade with the IDF without genuine reasons.

I actually rushed to check the moniker hoping it was one of those dump western folks parading this thread only to be disappointed that it was you.
I know deep inside me that non of those slaves can put together such factual statement.

Appleyard:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-navy-now-trying-make-ultimate-comeback-208994
Here is a link, and is from a western source..

Appleyard:


Early detection is one thing, how many drones you can engage simultaneously in a matter of minutes is another thing entirely. It's obvious you're new to this topic.

How many air defense missiles does surface ships carry in their arsenals? By the time they succeed in taking out most of the drones in the swarm, the ships might have run out of interception missiles. In a near peer scenario in the real world, facts have proven that there is no 100% success rate of intercepting a drone swarm from close proximity, especially with advanced drones both at sea and in the air. The Ukraine war should be your eye-opener. The damage the Shaheeds and Lancets have done to Ukraine is there for all to see, and we are talking about a battlefield with one of the most policed and contested air and sea space in modern warfare history. Talk about NATO's "All seeing eye" and OSINT, alongside Ukraine's capable air defenses, which offers a formidable multilayered air coverage for the Ukraine. Still, Mr Lancet and Sultan Shaheed always find their way to their targets.

Citing Iranian drone attack on Israel is a weak argument. A coalition of countries had to come together to help intercept those drones that were flying from 1200 km from their launch sites in Iran, giving Israel many hours of a heads-up ahead. In fact, it would have been a complete failure on Israel and the coalition part had they failed to take down the drones because, not only do they have the quantity of the right interception assets but many hours ahead to prepare. Moreover, the long distance and the single flight path they were flying gave the coalition a predictable and one-way flight path to map and take them out. But take the Hezbollah scenario for instance, many of their drones have caused and still causing havoc in Israel as we speak. Even the US you're talking about is now developing their own drone swarm capability, with the "protection" of Taiwan in mind. If it doesn't and won't work, why venture into it. It works and could cause serious damage to any country' surface ships no matter the strength of that country. Ukrainian drones both at sea and air based have recorded some success against Russia's sea based military and civilian assets, despite the Russian formidable defense and EW capabilities.

Take it or leave it, drone and AI driven missile capabilities are the Hallmark of current and future of modern conventional warfare.

Obedience40:



the sco is not a defence alliance na.

Alamkir:


I know how you argue that's why I don't engage you for long because I don't have time.
You deliberately left out my main point that Russia help trump Rigg US election and go for the one you can defend. Bye 🫷

BentizilL0:

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Watcharena:
was there any evidence when US invade Iraq ?

Watcharena:
was there any evidence when US invade Iraq ?

Appleyard:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-navy-now-trying-make-ultimate-comeback-208994
Here is a link, and is from a western source..

Masterviolence:


The 2 reasons, the u.s has not gone to war with this people is the lack of evidence to invade iran.
Secondly is the reaction of other superpowers if the the u.s decide to invade with the IDF without genuine reasons.

Alamkir:


Nawao..... Una no even rate Iran at all.
Firstly, what evidence does US needs to invade iran, when did they ever need evidence to invade any country, if US hasn't invaded Iran it's because they believe Iran is capable of standing up against them.
Secondly, iam shocked that in this 2024 you still think US can easily invade iran like Iran is Yemen or something. Una go just dey say "US will pound to stone age" like its that easy

dermmy:


What a brilliant question. Some people think the reason why US has not invaded Iran is because Iran does not have WMD yet meanwhile they knew Iraq did not have it yet they invaded Iraq. The truth is, Iran has created enough conventional detterence that would make an adversary think twice before it invaded it. An invasion of Iran would mean an explosion of the whole of middle east with severe economic consequences which is not in the interest of Israel, America and its Arab vassals in the region. Fear the havoc Iran and its proxies could unleash in that region. And I believe US and its vassals understand this perfectly.

Cc: dvkot masterviolence

Obedience40:



the sco is not a defence alliance na.

Obedience40:



you should take time to read about the USA based sea air defence, "Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System" those destroyers ships are actually are actually air defences which were incorporated into ships as a sea leg of the USA missile defence program.

the USA navy carrier don't operate in shallow waters but deep inside the ocean, that means any drone attack launch from the land would have to travel a bit of a distance to strike attack it which gives the strke group time to react.

no Carrier group oprates in hostile water's, were it can be easily attacked, it nuclear reactors gives it unlimited range, in a war with a capable enemy like China, the USA carrier's would likely operates far from missiles range and use its aircraft to attack, the essence of a aircraft Carrier is to be able to fighter jets close enough to the battle ground.

I get your point's thou, a group of drones attacking a Carrier group would definitely score a point, the key for carriers is "deterrence" using it's jets and it's escorts long range missles to hit target before they get close.

Masterviolence:

You still don't get it.
I believe you're not myopic.
I think you obviously lack the cognitive propensity to fathom the subject of discourse.

What Appleyard is saying, is in conjuction with what i told you yesterday.
There's no defensive system that can score a 100% defensive rate when swarmed in close proximity with advance drones.

The reason for the introduction of EWS as a protective layer is to prevent the exhaustion of interceptor missle while simultaneously doing the interception, but this doesn't defect the obstacle of swarming itself.

Alamkir:


Nawao..... Una no even rate Iran at all.
Firstly, what evidence does US needs to invade iran, when did they ever need evidence to invade any country, if US hasn't invaded Iran it's because they believe Iran is capable of standing up against them.
Secondly, iam shocked that in this 2024 you still think US can easily invade iran like Iran is Yemen or something. Una go just dey say "US will pound to stone age" like its that easy

Obedience40:


you don't have to be impulsive, you can easily pass your points without being so paranoid.

You said 9 submarine, in the last ten years
appleyard said 29 submarines in the last ten years

who am I going to believe now.

Appleyard:
Gad damnit! I said 40 surface ships and 24 submarines. Don't say what I did not say. Go back to the earlier post, please.

Obedience40:


this issues keep coming back, didn't you read were I wrote that a group drones attacking a Carrier group would score a hit.

we are not taking about if a defence is 100% safe, my bone of contention is how does drones gets so close to a Carrier group with out majority of them being destroyed in transit.

a carrier doesn't operate in shallow waters they operate in deep waters, especially out of range of some long range ballistic missile,
So that means a drone or missles would have to travel a some distance to engage it, so how dose a group of drones move from their point of origin and swamped a Carrier group with escorts who are equipped with long range missles and it's self carriies up to 40 plus jets and helos.

a carrier migh be swamped by drones, that's fine ,I can agree to that, but how does a Carrier strike group with such power projection and powerful radar, get to a point of falling to engage a swamp of drones in transit until it becomes too late.

Appleyard:
Gad damnit! I said 40 surface ships and 24 submarines. Don't say what I did not say. Go back to the earlier post, please.