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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Obedience40: 11:15am On Jun 23 |
Regex: there is no defence Pact nor military alliance that have Russia, Iran, China nor India. you mean CSTO?? It includes only countries in the then Soviet union, Armenia Belarus Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Russia Tajikistan 1 Like |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkir: 11:16am On Jun 23 |
Obedience40: Be honest for once, it wasn't us Nigerians that concluded that US election was stolen, it was the Americans themselves. When Trump won democrats accused Russia of helping trump to manipulate the election, the same thing happened when ancestor Joe won. Nigeria's election rigging is just gra gra, using violence and very obvious means to Rigg elections, but US are expert in systematic rigging of election 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Appleyard(m): 11:29am On Jun 23 |
Obedience40: Early detection is one thing, how many drones you can engage simultaneously in a matter of minutes is another thing entirely. It's obvious you're new to this topic. How many air defense missiles does surface ships carry in their arsenals? By the time they succeed in taking out most of the drones in the swarm, the ships might have run out of interception missiles. In a near peer scenario in the real world, facts have proven that there is no 100% success rate of intercepting a drone swarm from close proximity, especially with advanced drones both at sea and in the air. The Ukraine war should be your eye-opener. The damage the Shaheeds and Lancets have done to Ukraine is there for all to see, and we are talking about a battlefield with one of the most policed and contested air and sea space in modern warfare history. Talk about NATO's "All seeing eye" and OSINT, alongside Ukraine's capable air defenses, which offers a formidable multilayered air coverage for the Ukraine. Still, Mr Lancet and Sultan Shaheed always find their way to their targets. Citing Iranian drone attack on Israel is a weak argument. A coalition of countries had to come together to help intercept those drones that were flying from 1200 km from their launch sites in Iran, giving Israel many hours of a heads-up ahead. In fact, it would have been a complete failure on Israel and the coalition part had they failed to take down the drones because, not only do they have the quantity of the right interception assets but many hours ahead to prepare. Moreover, the long distance and the single flight path they were flying gave the coalition a predictable and one-way flight path to map and take them out. But take the Hezbollah scenario for instance, many of their drones have caused and still causing havoc in Israel as we speak. Even the US you're talking about is now developing their own drone swarm capability, with the "protection" of Taiwan in mind. If it doesn't and won't work, why venture into it. It works and could cause serious damage to any country' surface ships no matter the strength of that country. Ukrainian drones both at sea and air based have recorded some success against Russia's sea based military and civilian assets, despite the Russian formidable defense and EW capabilities. Take it or leave it, drone and AI driven missile capabilities are the Hallmark of current and future of modern conventional warfare. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Appleyard(m): 11:31am On Jun 23 |
Obedience40:https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-navy-now-trying-make-ultimate-comeback-208994 Here is a link, and is from a western source.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 11:33am On Jun 23 |
dvkot: USA and Israel can't attack Iran directly. They can strike Iranian affiliates in Syria, Iraq, Gaza, Yemen, or Lebanon. So far Iran don't miscalculate by attacking Israel or USA. Iran๐ฎ๐ท is a member of Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Obedience40: 11:35am On Jun 23 |
Alamkir: Americans?? You mean a small minority' who were brainwashed by trump, only trumpet believe in the fallacy of election being rigged, the VP pence a Republican credited the election as free and fair and did the ratification of the electoral college result. majority of senior Republican in both houses endorsed the election trump lawyer's all told him the election was free and fair, but he was a sore loser and b continue screaming electoral malpractice. an inquest by the attorney general office found no discrepancies in the election. 1 Like |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Obedience40: 11:37am On Jun 23 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae: the sco is not a defence alliance na. 1 Like |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 11:38am On Jun 23 |
Regex: People forget about SCO easily. Probably because it is not a warmongering military alliance. 5 Likes |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Appleyard(m): 11:41am On Jun 23 |
Masterviolence:I believe he is deliberately ignorant. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Masterviolence(m): 11:46am On Jun 23 |
dvkot: This is a very factual and realistic write-up. This is obviously how things will play out. Many on this platform claiming an iran vs israel war will see israel destroyed don't know that iran will never rise again if they face off with israel without acquiring nukes, we all know that israel can't fight iran alone, hence a war with israel is a war with the u.s and the u.s will brutally execute that war turning iran to an inhabitable stone age scenerio. The 2 reasons, the u.s has not gone to war with this people is the lack of evidence to invade iran. Secondly is the reaction of other superpowers if the the u.s decide to invade with the IDF without genuine reasons. I actually rushed to check the moniker hoping it was one of those dumb western folks parading this thread only to be disappointed that it was you. I know deep inside me that non of those slaves can put together such factual statement. 1 Like |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkir: 11:49am On Jun 23 |
Obedience40: I know how you argue that's why I don't engage you for long because I don't have time. You deliberately left out my main point that Russia help trump Rigg US election and go for the one you can defend. Bye ๐ซท |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Watcharena: 11:50am On Jun 23 |
Masterviolence:was there any evidence when US invade Iraq ? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by 0m0luabi: 11:55am On Jun 23 |
Appleyard:he will change mouth or run away ASAP, that boy is not stable 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Obedience40: 11:55am On Jun 23 |
Appleyard: you should take time to read about the USA based sea air defence, "Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System" those destroyers ships are actually are actually air defences which were incorporated into ships as a sea leg of the USA missile defence program. the USA navy carrier don't operate in shallow waters but deep inside the ocean, that means any drone attack launch from the land would have to travel a bit of a distance to attack it which gives the strke group time to react. no Carrier group oprates in hostile water's, were it can be easily attacked, it nuclear reactors gives it unlimited range, in a war with a capable enemy like China, the USA carrier's would likely operates far from missiles range and use its aircraft to attack, the essence of a aircraft Carrier is to be able to fighter jets close enough to the battle ground. I get your point's thou, a group of drones attacking a Carrier group would definitely score a point, the key for carriers is "deterrence" using it's jets and it's escorts long range missles to hit target before they get close. 1 Like |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by BentizilL0: 12:03pm On Jun 23 |
Obedience40:. 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Obedience40: 12:11pm On Jun 23 |
Alamkir: arguing what again, so i should believe the USA election was rigged because trump said it was rigged,so the whole USA electoral system that was both veted by both the democratic party and Republican party and was subject to investigation and found to be free and fair,should be called rigged because one man his delusional illogical protesters said so. the reason why I didn't reply your Russia claim was because you use the word "rigged" Russia can't rigged the USA election, they can only interfere, many countries and individuals have interest on who becomes the president of the most powerful country in the world. One way all the other they try to interfere by supporting or donation to the campaign inference from Russia was that they use accounts to post fake news, against Hilary Clinton, some companies with ties to Russia donated to trump campaign,. Same way China also interfere with Taiwan election by using Chinese front companies to support pro China candidates, that is interference not rigging. the senate committee look on the matter an found out that RUSSIA did interfere. You can read the senate committee report below https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election#:~:text=The%20Senate%20Intelligence%20Committee%20assessed,a%20%22grave%20counterintelligence%20threat%22. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-election-security-findings-first-volume-bipartisan-russia-report https://rollcall.com/2020/08/18/senate-intelligence-committee-russian-interference-2016-election-report/ Please Russia didn't "rigged" USA election but only "interfere" 1 Like |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Obedience40: 12:13pm On Jun 23 |
BentizilL0: is there defence Pact which mandates countries to come to each other aid when attack I would like to read it sir. 1 Like
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Masterviolence(m): 12:16pm On Jun 23 |
Watcharena:C'mon let's not argue blindly and stick with facts. Both of u.s will agree that the iraqi war cannot be compared to that of iran if it plays out. Iraq has no strategic patner Neither does it have any defensive or economic syndicate with anyone at that time. Infact, iraq has nobody nor interest in anyone. But Iran on the other hand has alot at hand. From russia, china, allies, patners etc This is the main thing stopping the u.s to invade using IDF. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 12:16pm On Jun 23 |
Watcharena: What a brilliant question. Some people think the reason why US has not invaded Iran is because Iran does not have WMD yet meanwhile they knew Iraq did not have it yet they invaded Iraq. The truth is, Iran has created enough conventional detterence that would make an adversary think twice before invading. An invasion of Iran would mean an explosion of the whole of middle east with severe economic consequences which is not in the interest of Israel, America and its Arab vassals in the region. Fear the havoc Iran and its proxies could unleash in that region. And I believe US and its vassals understand this perfectly. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Obedience40: 12:21pm On Jun 23 |
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkir: 12:23pm On Jun 23 |
Masterviolence: Nawao..... Una no even rate Iran at all. Firstly, what evidence does US needs to invade iran, when did they ever need evidence to invade any country, if US hasn't invaded Iran it's because they believe Iran is capable of standing up against them. Secondly, iam shocked that in this 2024 you still think US can easily invade iran like Iran is Yemen or something. Una go just dey say "US will pound to stone age" like its that easy 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 12:25pm On Jun 23 |
Alamkir: Thanks you o. As in his post shock me sef. 3 Likes |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkir: 12:27pm On Jun 23 |
dermmy: Exactly 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 12:27pm On Jun 23 |
Obedience40: Continue waiting for article five clause. The Russian Federation does not need such clause to defend an ally. Syria is a prime example. 3 Likes |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Masterviolence(m): 12:37pm On Jun 23 |
Obedience40: You still don't get it. I believe you're not myopic. I think you obviously lack the cognitive propensity to fathom the subject of discourse. What Appleyard is saying, is in conjuction with what i told you yesterday. There's no defensive system that can score a 100% defensive rate when swarmed in close proximity with advance drones. The reason for the introduction of EWS as a protective layer is to prevent the exhaustion of interceptor missle while simultaneously doing the interception, but this doesn't defect the obstacle of swarming itself. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Obedience40: 12:50pm On Jun 23 |
Masterviolence: this issues keep coming back, didn't you read were I wrote that a group drones attacking a Carrier group would score a hit. we are not taking about if a defence is 100% safe, my bone of contention is how does drones gets so close to a Carrier group with out majority of them being destroyed in transit. a carrier doesn't operate in shallow waters they operate in deep waters, especially out of range of some long range ballistic missile, So that means a drone or missles would have to travel a some distance to engage it, so how dose a group of drones move from their point of origin and swamped a Carrier group with escorts who are equipped with long range missles and it's self carriies up to 40 plus jets and helos. a carrier migh be swamped by drones, that's fine ,I can agree to that, but how does a Carrier strike group with such power projection and powerful radar, get to a point of falling to engage a swamp of drones in transit until it becomes too late. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 12:50pm On Jun 23 |
โกGreek Navy frigate HYDRA went through "hell" in the Red Sea. โ The crew of the Greek frigate HYDRA, consisting of 205 sailors, was participating in EU's Operation Aspides against Houthi strikes. โ A serious incident occurred on May 19 when a Houthi missile exploded 150 meters from the HYDRA while it was escorting a merchant ship. โ The NATO Operations Center in Larissa notified the ship's commander about the missile launch one minute after it had already exploded. โ Following this incident, ten crew members requested immediate repatriation. Greek sailors say: โ The ship lacks modern anti-drone protection systems. โ Obsolete Phalanx cannons were ineffective against drones. โ Crew members resorted to using personal weapons to attempt shooting down drones. โ There were instances of misidentifying stars as drones. โ The HYDRA returned in early June, earlier than the originally planned end of July.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Masterviolence(m): 12:52pm On Jun 23 |
Alamkir: I don't rate Iran because I understand their capacity and capabilities. Look, I'm gullible to think that iran can fight with the u.s in their turf and not suffer. One on one with Israel that's understandable, but israel will never fight iran without the backing of the u.s in both equipment and manpower. Ordinary hamas, they waited for arms delivery from the u.s before they could began their campaign but you're thinking they'll fight israel alone? Just before anything begins, the u.s have already sent carrier strike group to support Israel, what does that tell you. I know that iran has some capabilities to defend itself, but some of you don't know how far the u.s can go to preserve their hegemony. No matter how powerful Iran is at the moment, they cannot fight the united states of america. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Appleyard(m): 12:55pm On Jun 23 |
Obedience40:Gad damnit! I said 40 surface ships and 24 submarines. Don't say what I did not say. Go back to the earlier post, please. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Obedience40: 12:59pm On Jun 23 |
Appleyard: I have read your link Dude calm down ๐๐๐๐ |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by sainttwist1(m): 1:03pm On Jun 23 |
Obedience40:they will not score any point.....drones are not missiles. maybe future drones but the current sent of drones.... nothing will happen. or maybe the drones are launch from close proximity to the carrier group. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Masterviolence(m): 1:04pm On Jun 23 |
Appleyard:He's emotionally dysregulated now that the facts are too numerous to dispute. ![]() ![]() ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
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