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Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Fujiyama: 11:41pm On Jun 22 |
Shimran: ^^^ The problem is that your 'analogy' isn't an analogy at all. You simply provided a justification for the killing of that woman and said she got what she deserved. If that wasn't what you meant or intended to convey then it is best you immediately modify your comment. Shimran: ^^^ No. That isn't how it works. A woman is gone forever. Her life was taken away violently by a mob. There was no due process of any sort involved in the taking away of the life of Deborah Samuels. You cannot excuse the murder of this woman because 'at least there was an allegation'. Is that the standard now - a mere allegation? Shimran: ^^^ We seem to be getting somewhere. Your first few lines show the proper procedure: After an investigation, if it is indeed found that Miss Samuels made offensive remarks, she should be called upon to retract her comments and apologize for them. If she complies, problem solved. If she doesn't then there are still lines of action available under Nigeria's laws. If Deborah Samuels chooses not to retract her comments and apologize, the next legal option is she can be sued by Nigerian Moslems. It is telling that you bypassed this option completely and moved to the enforcement of Islamic capital punishment - for blasphemy. Nigerian federal law simply doesn't allow you to do this. Shimran: ^^^ Your real views are becoming clearer and clearer. I like that, because everyone is slowly getting to know what the issues are and where they stand. You clearly support the actions of the mob and their instant Islamic 'justice'. You also acknowledge the possibility that people may be falsely accused of blasphemy and speedily killed but such 'wrongful deaths' are ok with you...because they are a useful deterrent to any would be blasphemers. In the space you inhabit, such wrongful deaths are a 'small' price to pay for keeping potential blasphemers against Islam in check. Nigeria is a theocracy and she doesn't even know it. I hope non-Moslems are taking notes. Shimran: ^^^ The above sounds so empty and hollow. Your prior comments have made your real position very clear. Any non-Moslems who 'dine with you without headaches' are hopelessly naive and have no sense of self preservation. Once again, I hope non-Moslems are taking notes. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Lukgaf(m): 11:52pm On Jun 22 |
Padipadi: How am I one sided? Could you watch video yourself if you understand Yoruba? According to the report, they reported the case to the police and operation burst and they wanted to sweep it under the carpet. If you can read my post again sir/ma, you will see I was balanced if you're not bias PS: Also my post was posted under 'crime', it was the mods whom moved it here |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by seanery: 1:18am On Jun 23 |
All i see is a male and female COW beaten. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Shimran(m): 1:25am On Jun 23 |
Padipadi: [b]I made my stand clea[/b]r: I got no problem mob going after anyone (whether it be my blood or even Muslim) who blaspheme but would best love if the authority take up the matter. SAYING ISLAM IS PEACE IS THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION: yes it is peace only if wills are all submitted to our Creator. You blaspheme and you wanted us to say Islam is peace? Adultery, stealing/robbery/corruption, all other forms of sins will be committed and we just watch and say Islam is peace? Never After establishing an enabling institution/environment where law and order will be abided, prescribed way of life will be followed, then definitely Peace will be achieved otherwise there will not be peace. Alfas attacking christians is different from blaspheme. I can attck christians by saying Jesus isn't God, it's the claim of the church. Jesus himself say my God is One. I'm by myself can't do anything. I'm born of woman. I eat. God don't etc. but to call Jesus or similar figures with bad names, never. Christians may decide to attack we the by saying: our prophet married a 9 year old girl, Muslims didn't believe in salvation, and stuff like that. No problem in that. As for the IDF, 7 months after the bombardment and its still going on, has Islam ceased to existed ? or has Hamas surrendered? Its a case of Palestine Vs Israel, USA, Europe. In the absence of US alone, Israel will not exist! Islam has seen worse since the prophet was alive. If there will be someone who's not afraid of death, that should be a Muslim. I will gladly like the Nigerian Christians to act like the IDF so that the blame games end. Could you imagine any riot in plateau or Benue, Muslims are blamed for? And their govt are all christians? |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Safyqueen: 1:37am On Jun 23 |
ovie8200: Do you listen to yourself? Somebody slaughter a ram for Sallah within the perimeter of his compound and an Islamaphobic neighbor pastor together with his randy soldier son and his friends decided to execute violence on the defenceless family, you are hereby running religio-tribal bigotry and egocentricity? Are you ok at all? If the Muslim community descend on this pastor and his church now, you will start your usual media-hypotenised illusion of Islam & violence or terrorism. He who deserves no peace will not be granted peace. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Shimran(m): 1:40am On Jun 23 |
Fujiyama: I'm not here to apologize to you or whatsoever. Anyone (even myself) who blaspheme I got no problem with mob action but would best love if the authority takes up the matter! We know christians preaches love and even go further to say....."turn the other cheek" Islam don't have to copy that. We Muslims can only be good to the Christians/other faiths if we leave Islam otherwise we always have taboos for them to complain. Then why making peace? |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Thelife: 1:52am On Jun 23 |
Shimran: You are stupid, that's why Israel will continue to kill you troll, shameless animal. Your useless hisslam have already make mockery of itself together with your gigolo fake prophet. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Thelife: 2:13am On Jun 23 |
Safyqueen:It so funny how you guys are just crying all over the media, it was noted that the two of them (Alfa and pastor) have been having misunderstanding before the incident, your Alfa keep attacking the pastor for using loud speaker and disturbing him, but the issue here is that, did you see the Alfa house? He made a fence and leave some part of the land for pathway which is okay for right of way, but the funniest part is that your Alfa choose to leave the place he fence and go to the path way to slaughter his ram, even leaving the blood for it to be flowing around, please who does that? Yet you people are here crying. Well the pastor too is at fault because he didn't suppose to react that way, he should have just called the attention of the other neighbours too. Let all learn to live in peace with each others. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Thelife: 2:17am On Jun 23 |
Shimran: Did you know how stupid all the trash you wrote up there sound? Can you please define blasphemy for us? Smile, just pray the day never come sha, because I promise you what your brother is facing in Gaza will be a child play compare to what will befall you hopeless terrorist. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Shimran(m): 5:12am On Jun 23 |
Thelife: Are you pained like this? Muslims are always ready for the worst to happen. Bring it on. Blaspheme in public and see for yourself. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Shimran(m): 5:14am On Jun 23 |
Thelife: Early Muslims see worst than what Gaza sees now. You don't threaten Muslims with death. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Emu4life(m): 6:01am On Jun 23 |
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Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Emu4life(m): 6:07am On Jun 23 |
ovie8200:Recruit Son taking 9 Soldiers to attack a Bloody Civilian and his Wives is COWARDICE. Well, Christians are always known to be cowards. They throw Bile, bitterness and Hatred online while doing otherwise Offline. IT IS COWARDICE THAT IS STOPPING CHRISTIANS FROM VIOLENCE just as you doing here Why must the Son add 9 more fellow illiterate recruits? E for face the man, Man to Man na... Shiiooor |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Emu4life(m): 6:11am On Jun 23 |
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Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Fujiyama: 6:50am On Jun 23 |
Shimran: ^^^ I am not asking for an apology from you. I am pointing out the gaping holes and flaws in your argument. In one breath you fully support the extrajudicial killing of Deborah Samuels. In another breath you ask the system to ensure the rights of the Alfa and his two wives (who were allegedly assaulted) in the Iseyin case to be respected. Can you see the contradiction? You can't pick and choose. You either believe in the system or you don't. Shimran: ^^^ You persist in your confusion about the official legal system. You either believe in it or you don't. You can't have it both ways. You cannot say you support immediate mob action that dispenses Islamic 'justice' but your 'preference' would be for the official legal system to function...but only when it is convenient for moslems. That makes no sense. Shimran: ^^^ I have said nothing about Christianity. You came up with this comparison between Islam and Christianity all by yourself. The real issue at stake here is how you and other moslems want to place Islamic law over and above federal law in this country...a country that it is becoming increasingly clear - is a constitutional republic only in name. It is convenient for you to frame this matter as some Christian vs Moslem debate but it is much bigger than that. My point is a simple one. Under Nigerian federal law, Moslems cannot just kill some random person for blasphemy. Nigeria isn't an Islamic theocracy. You may want it to be, but it isn't...or at least not officially. Some states in Nigeria have adopted sharia law but sharia law cannot be above Nigerian federal law in a constitutional republic. And that's what Nigeria is...a constitutional republic. Nigerian federal law prohibits the killing of Nigerians by an Islamic mob for blasphemy. It really is that simple. Shimran: ^^^ Nonsense. Stop the victimhood. This persecution complex thing has to stop. I have not asked you or anybody to leave Islam. Or Christanity. Or African Traditional Religion. Or Jainism. Or Hinduism. Or Buddhism. Or whatever. These wild generalizations have to stop. I will recap: you and other Moslems are seeking justice for the Alfa and his wives who were allegedly assaulted by soldiers sent by a local Pastor. You are well within your rights to do so. I fully support your quest for justice through the official legal system. The rights of the Iseyin Alfa and his wives must be protected under Nigerian law. The problem is that you don't believe people like the late Deborah Samuels are entitled to the same protection and the same rights you now seek for the Iseyin Alfa and his wives. You cannot have it both ways. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Fujiyama: 7:27am On Jun 23 |
Safyqueen: ^^^ The word 'randy' doesn't mean what you think it means. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by MajGenGaniyu: 9:26am On Jun 23 |
Hmmmm..... What a sad moment.... I don't know what they teach Christians of today.. It's like they teach them that Muslims are their enemies... I have had several encounters with Christians and have enough proofs they are not tolerating... You decide to talk religious issues, they will bring Al Qaeda, Boko Haram into the matter... Why... Apart from Ignorant Muslims... Christians are problems in this country.... You stay in your house relaxing for the weekend... A Christian will come to knock on your own door telling you to accept Jesus and if a Muslim have done that, they would be tagged terrorists.... Who is terrorizing who.... I submit this as nobody is perfect... |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Thelife: 9:36am On Jun 23 |
Shimran: Smile what did early Muslims sees please? Your gigolo fake prophet wasn't scared of death yet he ran from Mecca to Medina 😂 he should have waited now. Or why did your early Muslims seek refugees in Christian nations when they are been persecuted instead of staying since they are not afraid of death, smile they are not afraid of death yet they are crying and begging international community to beg and restrain Israel. You people are so dummb seriously. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Thelife: 9:38am On Jun 23 |
MajGenGaniyu: Another hopeless hypocrite, last I check it wasn't a Christian going about killing people in the name of religion, Please when last did a Christian walk up to your house to tell you to accept Jesus? Hopeless troll. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Thelife: 9:51am On Jun 23 |
Shimran: Smile pained as how? This is not the first time your useless gigolo fake prophet mumuhammad will be insulted in south here, I don't see you coming to kill us, stupid fellow, why don't your allah attacked the pastor back and see the real deal or you think here is your desert north. Trust me you people are not even preparing for have of what's to come, ask your fellow head slammers in Central Africa region (CAR) they will tell you that the calmness of a Christian doesn't mean coward. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Shimran(m): 11:12am On Jun 23 |
Thelife: I said that before: do it in your dominated area or online. And this is a pure case of fear. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Shimran(m): 11:19am On Jun 23 |
Thelife: You mean Gaza strip Vs Israel, the US, the Europe. Just a strip? Versus the world powers and the strip is still standing? Muslims did it Afghanistan. It will do it again in Palestine. Bombardments, invasions, striking give us strength. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Thelife: 1:03pm On Jun 23 |
Shimran: Oponu, it still standing while you are still crying all over the world for help 😂 Smile, please what did Muslim did in Afghanistan? Why don't you take over the Afghanistan when US soldiers are still there? You people are so coward that you only attack your fellow kinsman after US left, shameless chest beater |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Padipadi: 1:23pm On Jun 23 |
Lukgaf:Can you confront the police with this claim? Iseyin is under Oyo State on map of Nigeria. Can't the matter be taken to the traditional ruler of that town, commissioner of Police, human rights watch etc? It's a fact that you attempted to create religious rancour with this case. The eye of the govt should be on you. Lukgaf:It's now in court of public opinion and posterity ll judge if you were biased. Cases like this are to be resolved without tagging it asreligious issue. We v to be very careful so that this country with fragile love won't erupt. 1 Like |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Shimran(m): 1:47pm On Jun 23 |
Thelife: The most sophisticated militaries in the world can't fish out just handful of Hamas for the past 8 months? |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Padipadi: 1:58pm On Jun 23 |
Shimran:You v said it all here. Life can be a karma. If you are a victim of blasphemy, hope you ll remember ya careless statement? Shimran:So you v confirmed you're not for peace so don't expect peace. Let the world serve you 🔥 hawt like IDF. Shimran:There are established institutions. One of the is the Nigerian constitution and federal govt agencies and security outfits. Is the Nigerian constitution not an order or a firm institution? Are you saying you're a bad citizen that doesn't obey the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria but choose to use your religion? Who born you? Who you be? Should Christians and other religions too create their laws? What you're looking for, FG ll serve you hawt! Hope security agencies are seeing the evil posts and thoughts you're sharing online, you dz pikin called Shimran! Shimran:That's blasphemy and you or any janjawēed alfa deserve cruelty if Christians are to act like you and ya yanjawēeds! Shimran:You and ya janjawēeds v been crying since time of hejirah and ll cry to hell. No 72 virgins for you. IDF ll keep serving you hawt! Shimran:You lied. Can you eat a poisoned mutton? Don't you value ya aorta? Shimran:Those govts v been so considerate & neutral. But surely, the Christians in Plateau, Benue and in all oppressed places on earth ll see liberty in Zion. That name Zion ll hunt you for life! 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by MajGenGaniyu: 3:36pm On Jun 23 |
[quote author=Thelife post=130616071] Another hopeless hypocrite, last I check it wasn't a Christian going about killing people in the name of religion, Please when last did a Christian walk up to your house to tell you to accept Jesus? Hopeless troll.[/In May 22, 2022...Fatimah and her brutally murdered in Anambra State. They were gruesomely murdered and nothing was done. Yet Muslims are the terrorists. Pls tell me where you see Muslims attacking Christians...I see you know nothing about Religion.You see....i never insulted anyone...and here you are insulting me without knowing me....] |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Thelife: 5:31pm On Jun 23 |
[quote author=MajGenGaniyu post=130620901][/quote] Hypocrite, where did I insulted you show us where Fatima and children was killed because of her religion or for Christianity. So Deborah Daniel that you terrorist murdered because of your religion was an animal The three Christians that your iswap hisslamic terrorist murdered on camera just last month were animals right. You still haven't show us when a Christian walk up to you to preach to you hypocrite |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by BafanaBafana: 6:27pm On Jun 23 |
omoredia:Can you explain the Trinity please? |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by omoredia: 6:56pm On Jun 23 |
BafanaBafana: Is the trinity in ur bible? U might want to quote the passage where u saw the word 'trinity' cos I take the bible as the basis of what needs to be discussed. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by Alabule: 7:17pm On Jun 23 |
I will never understand why humans fight for their Gods. Instead of the other way round. |
Re: Disturbing Eid Incident In Iseyin: A Man And Wives Assaulted By Soldiers by BafanaBafana: 7:26pm On Jun 23 |
omoredia:Ok. Thank you. |
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