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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 7:12pm On Jul 01 |
bemeruca: Nail in the coffin. How do those lower court judges not see this? Robert Hurr passed senate confirmation. Jack Smith is a private citizen David Weiss passed senate confirmation. Both nominations from a president. Jackboot gone. “I write separately to highlight another way in which this prosecution may violate our constitutional structure. In this case, the Attorney General purported to appoint a private citizen as Special Counsel to prosecute a former President on behalf of the United States. But, I am not sure that any office for the Special Counsel has been “established by Law,” as the Constitution requires. Art. II, §2, cl. 2. By requiring that Congress create federal offices “by Law,” the Constitution imposes an important check against the President — he cannot create offices at his pleasure. If there is no law establishing the office that the Special Counsel occupies, then he cannot proceed with this prosecution. A private citizen cannot criminally prosecute anyone, let alone a former President,” Clarence Thomas said. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 7:12pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: What matters is if you are able to prove this in court. Any situation You can even include sleeping with a stripper, If courts agree its official duties |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 7:13pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: When you take specific cases to court they can determine motivation and purpose which will make it official or unofficial. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:15pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: They cannot. Period. You are wrong. Once it's official, it does not matter. This is not me saying this. That is the law. In fact that is the whole point the conservatives argued. They don't want to make immunity on official acts arbitrary. Once an act is official, the President should be able to do it without fear of legal consequences. I just quoted you a brilliant attorney on it.
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 7:19pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: Who determine what is official and what is not? A brilliant attorney is not the SCOTUS. Let her go and prove her case |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:24pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: I'm not even sure what you mean. You are 100% absolutely wrong. You won't find anyone, even in support of the ruling saying what you are. The rational of the ruling was to give POTUS the ability to exercise his/her official acts without fear of legal ramifications due to the outcome. So if a court could scrutinize the outcome, how could he/she act without fear? That has been the basis of all immunities. Even the immunity for Congress. So, you are wholly missing the point of immunity and in fact the point of this ruling. You should read it. You're arguing your understanding which is flawed. Not what is in the ruling. I hope you do at some point read it so you can understand how bad it really is. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 7:29pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: I have read and this is what John Roberts said
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 7:33pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: My brother,you still haven't answered this question. If as president, you decide not to leave power and cite it as official isn't it not official and you are within your rights not to leave power because IMMUNITY covers you |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:38pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: You read the whole ruling? What do you think what you highlighted had to do with what we were talking about? That is like the abridged version of the ruling. I'm far beyond that, you should be as well. I am talking about the details. As in whether motivation and purpose will be used to determine official acts. Your highlighted post doesn't come close to addressing that. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:42pm On Jul 01 |
Another good tweet. Article II power means it's a core Constitutional Power in which a President gets automatic immunity.
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:42pm On Jul 01 |
happney65: The constitution already answered. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 7:43pm On Jul 01 |
bemeruca: And which is? |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:43pm On Jul 01 |
bemeruca: Link the section of the constitution which answers this. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:45pm On Jul 01 |
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 7:45pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: Thank you! |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:49pm On Jul 01 |
bemeruca: You missed the point. If they say they won't leave due to an official act. Who forces them out? In fact if thy use their Core Constitutional power of the military to start a coup. Who forces them out? And if somehow enough people do decide to force them out, they just get to go home and chill out because they can't be prosecuted because they are immune. Lol 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:53pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: The constitution forces them out... The government forces them out. This immunity is about prosecution based on actions not holding power. They can force you out but do you go to jail after they do? That's what immunity is about. All this he can kill someone with DOJ and call it official. It depends on the why and who he kills. The court will decide that. That's what raumdeuter is trying to say I think. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:54pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: Thank God the American military does not operate that way. The military can reject orders to kill their own people. 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:56pm On Jul 01 |
This is a good comment. The Dems who are in power are not cheering this ruling. But the Trumpers are. This says everything about the two parties and where conservatism under trump Republicans has moved to.
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:58pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: If you put a republican or MAGA in jail for breathing the dems will. Cheer. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 8:18pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: Childish reasoning. Is there a clause in the constitution of your country that says except Trump |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 8:23pm On Jul 01 |
basilico: This is the sky is falling mentality They claim he can do this and that. Show them the system does not allow that, they will say you don't understand and make up another scenario. It only negates their claim of Trump being a dictator. While will he be asking someone to find votes which is not illegal instead of him to just use the military and stay in power. all he has to say is 10% for the big guy 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 8:30pm On Jul 01 |
The dumpers are gaslighting as usual, and severe TDS is making some fall for their gas. The Supreme Court has simply ruled that the District Court separate the president's official acts, duties which are defined by the Constitution and are immune, from the unofficial unconstitutional acts which are not. But some are reading this as if dump can presidentially go shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. Lol. Yet, they likely wouldn't claim it gives Biden that same right.
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 8:43pm On Jul 01 |
budaatum: The sky is falling. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 8:44pm On Jul 01 |
bemeruca:
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 8:47pm On Jul 01 |
bemeruca: 😁😁😁 In 2013 “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it" Is that an official act or can someone sue for any loses he/she/they/them underwent |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 8:50pm On Jul 01 |
budaatum:You think the three dissenters would give the same ruling if Clinton, Biden or Obama was slapped with a gazillion counts |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 8:54pm On Jul 01 |
basilico: I am always honest. Try asking your question without. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 9:10pm On Jul 01 |
budaatum:Removed the honest bit . |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 9:27pm On Jul 01 |
happney65: An individual doesn't define what is an official act. The office he occupies has rules If he decides not leave, won't even be a question. Did Trump want to leave or not? Did he leave or he didn't? That's America and why it's not a banana republic |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 9:28pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: This is factually wrong based on Robert's own writing in the ruling. You cannot take motivation into deciding official and unofficial acts. I found the section. So as long as the act is official, even if he had a corrupt motive like trying to kill Biden to win an election, he would still be immuned. As I said it's the vehicle (or the official act) POTUS uses that matters, not the outcome or motivation. In dividing official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the President’s motives. Such a “highly intrusive” inquiry would
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 9:33pm On Jul 01 |
basilico: No, I don't think the dissenters would dissent if they were not suffering from TDS. And I in fact find it shameful that Sotomayor would say what was said below. Its what I'd expect from a biased left wing non-maga Supreme Court Judge Mrs Virginia "Ginni" Thomas, since the ruling does not place any president above the law.
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