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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 5:50pm On Jul 01 |
PDPGuy: Okay thanks 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 5:50pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: We shall see! |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 5:52pm On Jul 01 |
The presumption of immunity is even a high bar.
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 5:56pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: I think Sotomayer and her team of top law clerks are capable of understanding the issue and fashioning solutions that doesn't include your straw man. A ruling could have been fashioned that included a carve out for corrupt use of official acts which would be determined by a Jury. That would be more in fashion with no man being above the law. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 5:58pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: Anwar al Alwaki was a citizen and radical preacher who was in Yemem Obama ordered a drone strike on him and he was killed together with his son. Yemen not a country at war with America. Is that an official act ? Killing a citizen in a foreign country. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:00pm On Jul 01 |
IjeBos: I think the 6 SCOTUS judges and their law clerks know enough and understood the issues perfectly and left the lower courts to take their own decisions in determining what is official and what is unofficial The SCOTUS will not be differentiating of the millions of possible scenarios what is official and what is unofficial. Let attorneys and lower judges determine that 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 6:04pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: Who do do you think will be ruling on whether something is an official act or an unofficial act. SCOTUS. You do understand that right? |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 6:12pm On Jul 01 |
Republicans have done a masterful job. They have convinced people with minimum power to agree to aggregate power to those with much much more power. They are going to be studying this in history books. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 6:19pm On Jul 01 |
"Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today. Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law.” “Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.” “Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today.” The justice did not end the dissent with the traditional “respectfully” language. “With fear for our democracy, I dissent,” Sotomayor wrote. " 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 6:20pm On Jul 01 |
How did the case get there to SCOTUS Judge Chutkan was appointed by Obama. 3 DC Appeallate judges ruled that Trump has no immunity. One appointed by GW Bush, the other two by Biden SCOTUS 3 dissenters are all liberals appointed by democrat presidents Nothing to see here folks Who comes off worse. Chutkan should have thrown out the case against Trump or at least determine what was personal or official. In the other ruling by SCOTUS on Friday the charge of obstruction against official proceedings was remanded to lower courts to properly define the congressional law that was enacted after the Enron case where auditors destroyed evidence. Judge Chutkan should have known that, but she proceeded with the trial preparation. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 6:24pm On Jul 01 |
basilico: Let them cry. Trump will be the president. All their plot against him seem to be failing because of the few systems that still cares about the constitution 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:35pm On Jul 01 |
IjeBos: SCOTUS has pushed that back to the lower courts, there are a million and one acts a politician can do while in power. Let the lower courts sort it out which is official and which is unofficial But the SCOTUS has stated official are covered, unofficial are covered. Now the other lower courts should get to work |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:38pm On Jul 01 |
happney65: All these are just to induce panic. She can add all the millions of scenarios to it, It doesnt change anything Sotomayor should tell us what her ruling should be Current ruling states its on a case by case, If she wants a blanket rule let her say which of the 2 options is she with Is it 1. President does not have immunity from ALL acts or 2. President does have immunity from ALL acts So what is it? 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 6:43pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: See scenario.
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Laurene: 6:45pm On Jul 01 |
sanpipita:Sotomayor is a joke... I can't believe Jackson is to her right. Sotomayor's dissent looks like citations to things she heard on podcasts. An activist? 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Laurene: 6:46pm On Jul 01 |
LordAdam16:They've exhausted their Trump card... Let's see what July 11th holds. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:46pm On Jul 01 |
bemeruca: The Biden should do it and prove it at lower courts that its an official act |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 6:47pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: You keep repeating the same thing on a loop. People have the ability to appeal to SCOTUS. So SCOTUS will then be the one deciding. They have given themselves the power to decide this. You do understand this don't you. That you can't/won't acknowledge it is odd. As if not acknowledging it makes it not real. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:48pm On Jul 01 |
bemeruca: The simple question still remain if you disagree with current ruling then what should be the ruling 1. President does not have immunity from ALL acts or 2. President does have immunity from ALL acts So that all presidents can be brought to the dock for ordering the deaths of Osama, Zawahiri, Suleimani etc |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Laurene: 6:48pm On Jul 01 |
happney65:She's a hack... Hopefully Trump gets to replace her. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:49pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: when they are unable to decide, they should bring that specific case to the SCOTUS. They shouldnt be asking for blanket immunity or blanket non-immunity. That is irresponsible Killing Osama is not equal to killing Joe Random 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 6:50pm On Jul 01 |
Laurene: Simmer down. In the US, unlike in Nigeria, Presidents can't replace Federal justices because they feel they can. Now given this ruling, Trump could have Seal Team 6 kill her and then nominate someone to replace her. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:53pm On Jul 01 |
bemeruca: I dont know if Trump will be president or not but screaming about this very straight forward and common sense ruling is ridiculous |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 6:53pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: Even if courts do decide. Anyone can appeal the decision to SCOTUS. It's not a matter of them not being able to decide. That's not how US courts work. I'm telling you how it works and you ignore it and repeat the same thing. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:54pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: if the defence prosecution and lower courts are dumb enough to agree that its an official act. There is still the SCOTUS to adjudicate I have faith in the justice system they probably wont unlike in Nigeria 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:56pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: If courts decide and you appeal to SCOTUS you bring specific cases not blanket ruling There might be some where the POTUS will have immunity and some where he doesnt. It is on a case by case basis That is how law nd justice system works Killing Osama is not same as killing Joe Random 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:02pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: Let me try this again, Say a POTUS's official act is driving a car. He says in a meeting with a DOJ official he intends to drive his car and kill Biden. He then drives his Car and kills Biden. He is immune. In fact they can't even question the discussion he had with the DOJ. Doesn't matter the reason he chose to kill Biden, as long as he was performing his official act he is immune. That is my reading of it. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:04pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: all these people were nowhere to be found when Obama was doing his things. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 7:06pm On Jul 01 |
ijebosb: Thats your reading of it, You are not a judge and I am not Then they should go prove it in court, and appeal it to SCOTUS. If all layers of the courts agree that its an official act |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:07pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: So, the president controls the military. Described in the constitution. Using seal team 6 may even rise to Core Constitutional Power. The problem is the SCOTUS didn't include language for corrupt use of official acts/constitutional power. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:08pm On Jul 01 |
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 7:11pm On Jul 01 |
raumdeuter: You think somehow they can take into account motivation or purpose. They can't. The purpose of the use of the official act could be corrupt it wouldn't matter one bit as long as the act is deemed official.
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