MaxInDHouse:


That's what he said nah but what about his own people did they agree with him?

No one said He contradicted scriptures. Quote where they said that. They only did not believe He was the promised Messiah. Don't bring manipulations into this please. Quote pure scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
Ask your friends it's written for whoever wants to know about God's modern day worshipers but what's baffling them all are the detailed explanation i'm giving which they never found in any publications of JWs that's why they're saying i'm lying but whatever i say here they know it's found in the publications of God's modern day servants: Jehovah's Witnesses!

lost false Jw mad max

you claim; whatever you say here is found in the publications of God's modern day servants: Jehovah's Witnesses!

so post a quote where Jw's publications say this:
"all Jesus anointed brothers who were sleeping in death {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} they were all taken to heaven in the year 1914"

FxMasterz:

No one said He contradicted scriptures. Quote where they said that. They only did not believe He was the promised Messiah. Don't bring manipulations into this please. Quote pure scriptures.

You don't have to be biased on this try to calm down and think why Jesus said:

“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

There are things the Jews believe that Jesus is against.

For instance all the prophets support fighting and killing their enemies {Deuteronomy 7:16; 1Samuel 15:3} but Jesus said they should love and pray for their own enemies! Luke 6:27-28

Adulterers should be stoned to death {Deuteronomy 22:23-24} but Jesus said only the sinless should stone sinners.

Israelites should get married and bear children but Jesus said whoever chooses to remain single should be allowed! Matthew 19:12

The prophets including John the baptist taught the Jews weekly ritual fasting but Jesus' disciples don't practice such!

God's word forbids eating blood {Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:14} but Jesus told his own disciples that they must drink his blood! John 6:

So don't try to argue what is plain you can only start defending what Jesus said and did but as for Jews who don't believe in him to them he was CONTRADICTING THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW!

MaxInDHouse:


You don't have to be biased on this try to calm down and think why Jesus said:

“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

There are things the Jews believe that Jesus is against.

For instance all the prophets support fighting and killing their enemies {Deuteronomy 7:16; 1Samuel 15:3} but Jesus said they should love and pray for their own enemies! Luke 6:27-28

Adulterers should be stoned to death {Deuteronomy 22:23-24} but Jesus said only the sinless should stone sinners.

Israelites should get married and bear children but Jesus said whoever chooses to remain single should be allowed! Matthew 19:12

The prophets including John the baptist taught the Jews weekly ritual fasting but Jesus' disciples don't practice such!

God's word forbids eating blood {Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:14} but Jesus told his own disciples that they must drink his blood! John 6:

So don't try to argue what is plain you can only start defending what Jesus said and did but as for Jews who don't believe in him to them he was CONTRADICTING THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW!

Those are not the things they believed about Jesus. Jesus was saying that only to put His messages in right perspective.

Quote where anybody said He came to destroy the law. Mind you, destroying the law is different from contradicting the law. Show us where anyone said He contradicted the law. Contradiction is what you and your JW organization have been known for.

FxMasterz:


Those are not the things they believed about Jesus. Jesus was saying that only to put His messages in right perspective.

Quote where anybody said He came to destroy the law. Mind you, destroying the law is different from contradicting the law. Show us where anyone said He contradicted the law. Contradiction is what you and your JW organization have been known for.

Use of English!

Ọmọ Contradicting or Destroying means the same thing to the Jews remember Jesus didn't carry their scriptures to destroy it rather he was saying things that's CONTRACTING what they all knew before him.

MaxInDHouse:


Use of English!

Ọmọ Contradicting or Destroying means the same thing to the Jews remember Jesus didn't carry their scriptures to destroy it rather he was saying things that's CONTRACTING what they all knew before him.

Bring a dictionary that says that.

Bring quotes from scriptures where Jesus was accused of destroying and contradicting.

FxMasterz:

Bring a dictionary that says that.
Bring quotes from scriptures where Jesus was accused of destroying and contradicting.

Ọmọ stop beating around the bush.

I have given you things he said that contradicts what the Jews believe that's why they never accepted him as a true prophet till today!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ stop beating around the bush.

I have given you things he said that contradicts what the Jews believe that's why they never accepted him as a true prophet till today!

You didn't give me anything. You only quoted a scripture by Jesus Himself where He put His messages in right perspective before a presentation.

No one accused Jesus of contradicting or destroying scriptures. Jesus came to fulfil the scriptures. The JWs contradict scriptures from Old Testament to New Testament to establish a satanic gospel.

FxMasterz:

You didn't give me anything. You only quoted a scripture by Jesus Himself where He put His messages in right perspective before a presentation. No one accused Jesus of contradicting or destroying scriptures.

If they don't then why are they criticizing him?

FxMasterz:

Jesus came to fulfil the scriptures. The JWs contradict scriptures from Old Testament to New Testament to establish a satanic gospel.

Exactly what we feel you people are doing as we are fulfilling what the scriptures say but it's now our words against yours that's why you need to look critically into the matter instead of judging from one side!

MaxInDHouse:

If they don't then why are they criticizing him?

They criticized Him because they thought He wasn't the Son of God as He claimed.

You're yet to give me any scripture where they claimed He contradicted or destroyed scriptures.

Exactly what we feel you people are doing as we are fulfilling what the scriptures say but it's now our words against yours that's why you need to look critically into the matter instead of judging from one side!

We don't feel you do it. Rather we see you doing it by contradicting scriptures, making false prophecies about Christ's second coming and claiming some men you call GBs have authority to say things that could be held as truth against the Word of God.

FxMasterz:

They criticized Him because they thought He wasn't the Son of God as He claimed.

You're yet to give me any scripture where they claimed He contradicted or destroyed scriptures.



We don't feel you do it. Rather we see you doing it by contradicting scriptures, making false prophecies about Christ's second coming and claiming some men you call GBs have authority to say things that could be held as truth against the Word of God.

The same Jesus that was given scripture to read in the synagogue.

If the Jews believe that Jesus do contradict the scriptures, would they have given Him scripture to read in the first place?

Well, keep giving him the Bible study, the reason he keeps coming back to discuss here despite all his claims is because he always grab one or two things from those he always accuses as enemies of God.

Emusan:


The same Jesus that was given scripture to read in the synagogue.

If the Jews believe that Jesus do contradict the scriptures, would they have given Him scripture to read in the first place?

Well, keep giving him the Bible study, the reason he keeps coming back to discuss here despite all his claims is because he always grab one or two things from those he always accuses as enemies of God.

Hmmmm.

FxMasterz:

They criticized Him.

Contradiction!

FxMasterz:

WE don't feel you do it. Rather WE see you doing it by contradicting scriptures,

Please who are the so called WE?
And how are they performing better than JWs?

Emusan:

If the Jews believe that Jesus do contradict the scriptures, would they have given Him scripture to read in the first place?

They handed over the scriptures to him in his home town Nazareth where he grew up {Luke 4:16} after hearing about the miraculous works he did in other places but when he began applying the scriptures to himself they wanted to kill him. Luke 4:28-30

Is that not a contradiction?

FxMasterz:

Hmmmm.

Who is coming to my own thread after telling him we can never ever agree?
Let them continue to deceive you!

MaxInDHouse:

Contradiction!

Why did you cut off what I said the criticized Him about? Now, show proof of contradiction going by what I told you they criticized Him about - for calling Himself the Son of God and the Messiah. You want to manipulate.y words the way you do the scriptures?

Please who are the so called WE?
And how are they performing better than JWs?

Who were you referring to when you said 'That's what you feel."?

FxMasterz:

Why did you cut off what I said the criticized Him about? Now, show proof of contradiction going by what I told you they criticized Him about - for calling Himself the Son of God and the Messiah. You want to manipulate.y words the way you do the scriptures?

If they CRITICIZE him while they are custodians of the same scriptures he is quoting ọmọ that's CONTRACTIONS!

FxMasterz:

Who were you referring to when you said 'That's what you feel."?

I'm referring to you and your cohorts with whom you're criticizing an organization of like-minded believers whereas you people don't believe the same thing just as Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis don't agree on the same line of thought yet all of them were criticizing Jesus and his disciples?

MaxInDHouse:


They handed over the scriptures to him in his home town Nazareth where he grew up {Luke 4:16} after hearing about the miraculous works he did in other places but when he began applying the scriptures to himself they wanted to kill him. Luke 4:28-30

Is that not a contradiction?

Finally crawled out of his chicken hole

That's not a contradiction!

Reason why you can't provide the dictionary meaning of CONTRADICTION!

Anyways, it's not today you started giving your personal meaning to a word even when to construct simple sentence is hard for you sometimes

Emusan:


Finally crawled out of his chicken hole

That's not a contradiction!

Reason why you can't provide the dictionary meaning of CONTRADICTION!

Anyways, it's not today you started giving your personal meaning to a word even when to construct simple sentence is hard for you sometimes

OK nah!

MaxInDHouse:

If they CRITICIZE him while they are custodians of the same scriptures he is quoting ọmọ that's CONTRACTIONS!

They criticized Him for claiming to be the Son of God and the Messiah. Did the scriptures describe how the Messiah would like like?

Your organization is blatantly contradicting scriptures and you're here spewing all these balderdash to justify that action?

I'm referring to you and your cohorts with whom you're criticizing an organization of like-minded believers whereas you people don't believe the same thing just as Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis don't agree on the same line of thought yet all of them were criticizing Jesus and his disciples?

We're not a group. We're simply Christians. And what is JW doing better? Contradicting scriptures and claiming to be the only voice of God on earth while at it?

FxMasterz:

They criticized Him for claiming to be the Son of God and the Messiah. Did the scriptures describe how the Messiah would like like?

Your organization is blatantly contradicting scriptures and you're here spewing all these balderdash to justify that action?

The Jews know more about the scriptures than you if you stand before any of them quoting their books to justify the actions of Jesus of Nazareth they will just be laughing at you because they don't view him as a sane person! Mark 3:21; John 10:20

So the story is just repeating itself with the JWs having their unique teachings that's making all of you angry yet there's no two religions among you all having the same line of thought!

FxMasterz:

We're not a group. We're simply Christians. And what is JW doing better? Contradicting scriptures and claiming to be the only voice of God on earth while at it?

You don't know the meaning of that word "WE" because if you do you should think of how different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines can claim another religion with their own teachings is contradicting their teachings whereas all of them are contradicting one another!

MaxInDHouse:


The Jews know more about the scriptures than you if you stand before any of them quoting their books to justify the actions of Jesus of Nazareth they will just be laughing at you because they don't view him as a sane person! Mark 3:21; John 10:20

So the story is just repeating itself with the JWs having their unique teachings that's making all of you angry yet there's no two religions among you all having the same line of thought!

Satanic teachings that contradict scriptures are unique to you?


No one said He contradicted scriptures. Are you not ashamed of yourself to be defending contradiction by saying Jesus was accused of the sane? You couldn't bring any proof that Jesus was accused of such for God's sake and you still kept pushing this false narrative.

You don't know the meaning of that word "WE" because if you do you should think of how different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines can claim another religion with their own teachings is contradicting their teachings whereas all of them are contradicting one another!

My dear, we are Christians. We're not religionists!

continue

Watchtower quotes prior to 1914

Russell taught that Jesus invisible presence began in 1874 and rulership in 1878.

"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878, A.D.:" Studies in Scriptures Series - The Day of Vengeance (1897) p.621
The heavenly kingdom was shown Scripturally to begin before the end of the Gentile Times.

"But the kingdom of God is to be set up before the days of the Gentile end, for "in the days of theses kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom; and it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms" (Dan. 2:44)."" Three Worlds and the Harvest of This World (Barbour & Russell, 1877) p.27
As shown at Freemasonry & Adventist Links, Russell used pyramidology to support this belief.

Prior to forming the Watchtower, Russell wrote that 1914 would see the end of all governments.

“… the seven times will end in A.D. 1914; when Jerusalem shall be delivered forever, and the Jew say of the Deliverer, “Lo, this is our God, we have waited for Him and He will save us.” When Gentile Governments shall have been dashed to pieces; when God shall have poured out of his fury upon the nation, and they acknowledge him, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.” Bible Examiner C. T. Russell Oct 1876
Russell originally was a follower of the teachings of Barbour, and together they co-authored works such as the 1877 book Three Worlds, and the Harvest of This World. After splitting from Barbour in June 1879, Russell began publishing the magazine Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence in July 1879. This became distinctly his own religion with the incorporation of the organization "Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society" shortly thereafter. Russell continued to publish many of the prophetic interpretations he had received from Barbour, as can be seen in what follows when comparing Three Worlds and Watchtower quotes.

1874 to 1914 were described as the greatest period of trouble in human history, the period of Armageddon itself, with the end of trouble to be in 1914.

"Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226 (reprints 1677)

The following quotes during the lead up to 1914 show there could be no doubt as to what Watchtower followers expected. The end of the Last Days in 1914 was to initiate a number of endings and new beginnings.

. 1914 - the end of the preaching work
. 1914 - the end of all religion
. 1914 - the wholesale destruction of all government
. 1914 - the end of the Great Tribulation
. 1914 - the end of Armageddon
. 1914 - Russell and his followers to be raised to heaven
. 1914 - Jesus' Kingdom established as paradise on earth
. 1914 - commencement of the earthly resurrection

to be continued

1914. These predictions have failed, and continue to fail, because the governing body of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is not God’s organization as they falsely claim to be, and they cannot interpret the Bible properly. The whole Jehovah’s Witness system has shown itself to be a lie.

https://carm dot org/jehovahs-witnesses/the-watchtower-and-the-1914-generation/

^^ replace dot with . no spaces

johnw47:


lost false Jw mad max

you claim; whatever you say here is found in the publications of God's modern day servants: Jehovah's Witnesses!

so post a quote where Jw's publications say this:
"all Jesus anointed brothers who were sleeping in death {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} they were all taken to heaven in the year 1914"

lost false jw mad max

most all you say is babble and lies, you cannot reply to any of your lies, of course:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

FxMasterz:

Satanic teachings that contradict scriptures are unique to you?

According to Jesus of Nazareth his disciples will be accused of Satanic teachings just like he was also accused:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25
So we (JWs) aren't surprised that you and your cohorts whose beliefs contradicts are saying the same thing to us! Matthew 5:11-12

FxMasterz:

No one said He contradicted scriptures.

But they accused him of being Satanic not for miraculous works but his teachings shey? John 10:33
No wahala!

FxMasterz:

My dear, we are Christians. We're not religionists!

True Christians should have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} that's what will help them to have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} so if you people don't agree on teachings and doctrines then in what way are you followers of the man who said his disciples will stand out as a different group with unique teachings? John 17:14-16
Ọmọ just relax and enjoy the company of your friends JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION is perfectly OK with our teachings and doctrines!

Since the year 1914 Jesus and his angels have been working round the clock to make sure that obedient mankind like SHEEP or FINE SEED are separated from rebellious humans like GOATS or WEEDS.

So how can sincere individuals identify the gathering of the SHEEP in the situation where GOATS are everywhere?

Of course meditating on how the illustration was used SHEEP are domestic animals that are obedient to their shepherd so observing them from a distance you will notice how orderly and well organized they are but as for GOATS each one has its own mindset and always ready to impose it on anyone around it though it doesn't have any group to which it submit to the same rules but it's always fighting over what should be done.

This became obvious since the year 1914!

false jw's: unity before truth

Russell taught that Jesus invisible presence began in 1874 and rulership in 1878,
to those who have ears to hear it

"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878, A.D.:" Studies in Scriptures Series - The Day of Vengeance (1897) p.621

today, gods false prophets say that Jesus invisible presence began in 1914

Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5

to those who have ears to hear it


Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

johnw47:

Russell taught that Jesus invisible presence began in 1874 and rulership in 1878,
to those who have ears to hear it
"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878, A.D.:" Studies in Scriptures Series - The Day of Vengeance (1897) p.621
today, gods false prophets say that Jesus invisible presence began in 1914
Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5
to those who have ears to hear it
Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Clap for yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
Clap for yourself!

ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


lost false jw mad max

glad you acknowledge the truth of my post
and the lies of your org.

MaxInDHouse:

According to Jesus of Nazareth his disciples will be accused of Satanic teachings just like he was also accused:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25
So we (JWs) aren't surprised that you and your cohorts whose beliefs contradicts are saying the same thing to us! Matthew 5:11-12


But they accused him of being Satanic not for miraculous works but his teachings shey? John 10:33
No wahala!

Yes, we are so accused. Over the years, the Catholic Church has persecuted Christians who showed them the light. That doesn't mean that real satanic teachings don't exist. A teaching that contradicts scripture is satanic. An organization that brings a new gospel contrary to what we've received is satanic. A group that hold the words of men in higher esteem than the word of God is satanic.

True Christians should have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} that's what will help them to have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} so if you people don't agree on teachings and doctrines then in what way are you followers of the man who said his disciples will stand out as a different group with unique teachings? John 17:14-16
Ọmọ just relax and enjoy the company of your friends JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION is perfectly OK with our teachings and doctrines!

That isn't the yardstick for measuring true Christians. Even cults have the same lines of thought.