GloriousGbola:


That is why women need to be strategic. Iyawo ceo did not suck it up because she had choices available to her.

The underlying thinking is that the woman has no choice unless she is ready to accept a decrease in quality of life.

Iyawo ceo does not have a religious background to accept or be blackmailed into accepting, She can stand on her own and live a fairly comfortable life.

raumdeuter:


Men are easily forgiving, Unlike women, We no dey think deep like that and its one of our many failings. I think its even nature. Beat your small kids boy and girl. In 5mins tickle the boy and throw ball at him he don forget, the girl na wahala just dey start until you beg and beg .

But one thing is sure, The dynamics of his relationship with the first wife has changed forever, She cannot like you genuinely again after that and will just be putting up appearance and start her own long term planning

Its now a race of how much of Jarus time, wealth, devotion will come to me? Before it was 100% now she will have to hope for 50% and realistically get about 30%

Also the new wife sef go dey very very kiaful. Her eye open pass madam 01 eye and she know wetin dey.

The divorce paper them use brush wife no 1 can be used to brush you as well if you step out of line.

raumdeuter:


Iyawo ceo does not have a religious background to accept or be blackmailed into accepting, She can stand on her own and live a fairly comfortable life.

And this is one reason why her faith and that of her children may never be the same after this.

Everyone quoting Hadith and Qur'an up and dan and then telling you to forget all that and lie in court.

GloriousGbola:


And this is one reason why her faith and that of her children may never be the same after this.

Everyone quoting Hadith and Qur'an up and dan and then telling you to forget all that and lie in court.

This is actually funny . 😂

E sure me say the same cleric that helped them settle the matter and reconcile them will be one of those that will tell her to do whatever lawyer ask her to do in court .

(I read his tweet responding to someone who asked how he was able to move on quickly from the issue after he posted his loved up video with the wife . He said some respected clerics like Chief Imam of Offa waded in )

GrammarNazi1:


Most of them don't even love genuinely in the first place.

Money is their most important consideration.

The concept of love is complex, So I will defer to using like. Yes your financial status or potential to be succesful will likely be one of the consideration a female will think about before going into a long term relationship with you

In the marriage because you live eat and started sharing common interest there is a likelihood she starts liking you more and start seeing you long term in her future

Its the same with every woman/man

Seun don vex lock the shalaye thread

GloriousGbola:


And this is one reason why her faith and that of her children may never be the same after this.

Everyone quoting Hadith and Qur'an up and dan and then telling you to forget all that and lie in court.

There's nothing wrong in not giving testimony if you have make amends with the person you have an issue with.

https://www.nairaland.com/8145356/mc-oluomo-no-dey-here

Lol

Ibime:


Impossible. Technology has moved on

They didn't even have planes dropping bombs in WW1, they used to use slow moving gas filled balloons (forgot the name of that aircraft)

Zeppelin.

GloriousGbola:
There is another lesson here which Jarus wife may or may not have clocked

It was not Islamic clerics who saved her marriage
It was not Cele preachers

It was not her family (at least not directly)

It was social media which led to the involvement of government agencies.

Otherwise right now she would be somewhere licking her wounds and gnashing her teeth.

It is possible her faith has been severely shaken by this saga.

Wait a minute, the guy be wan divorce am before?
As in divorce am?

I dey here they fight domestic violence and polygamy in general, not knowing the koko of the matter

Theflint1:
Oh, so they no use planes at all for actual warfare...where I am now they've made mention of planes, but their use has been mostly for surveillance. If they didn't use planes then Nigeria Army should win then, but what if one stretches it to say WW2 Armies of say Japan, German or Britain?

They used planes to fight as well. There were fighters and bombers as well, just that their technology was rudimentary which made things like range and manoeuvrability poor.

Goering (Hitler’s No 2) was a decorated WW1 fighter pilot. Another famous fighter pilot from the war was The Red Baron.

BlueRayDick:


This is actually funny . 😂

E sure me say the same cleric that helped them settle the matter and reconcile them will be one of those that will tell her to do whatever lawyer ask her to do in court .

(I read his tweet responding to someone who asked how he was able to move on quickly from the issue after he posted his loved up video with the wife . He said some respected clerics like Chief Imam of Offa waded in )

He's not off the ball with that, kids in their teenage age can be extremely idealistic, na often the foundation of their rebelliousness be that, and its worse when they now start noticing contradictions in what you're teaching them and what you do. They probably won't understand why their parents had to do what they did until they start becoming adults themselves.

Amoto94:

There's nothing wrong in not giving testimony if you have make amends with the person you have an issue with.

During court proceedings, his spouse, the alleged survivor denied all allegations of domestic violence against her and requested for the case to be withdrawn against her husband.

i am very sure you can read sir.

but you can tell me what the Quran and hadith say about bearing false witness [lying]

the same imams who tell you that polygamy is a right
the same imams who say juju is shirk
should also remind you that lying is haram

nihilistjnr:


I'd be very surprised if Nigeria has up to 500k combat ready troops right now.

Britain had well over 3 million troops in WW1.

Their supply lines and logistics were also superior to ours.

The Nigerian army is currently in a terrible state. Underpaid, ill-equiped, unmotivated, undisciplined.

That's why Boko Haram was able to confidently attack an army barracks, kill over 500 people and get away with it in 2014.

Britain mobilised those soldiers for the war. That was not the size of the standing British army. The British had about 250,000 soldiers at the start of the war and had to mobilise to 3m.

I would expect Nigeria to also mobilise to a large size if faced with a dangerous opponent.

The fact that those British tanks were more like Korope and their planes were like kites makes me give the edge to the Nigerian Army.

Right from the days of iron vs bronze and cavalry vs chariots, technology has always been crucial in warfare. It would be a shame if a WW1 army took out a modern army.

P.S If the morale is as bad as you say it might be quite close sha.

raumdeuter:


Plenty. There are guys who will find out in their teens that their dad was running a parallel family and his half siblings were even close to them in age. The woman will just suck it up and stay there abi where she wan carry 4 teenage kids go on her own

This was what made Jarus suing for full custody quite funny, I doubt he's been involved in the grunt and less glamorous parts of day to day parenting, so e probably no know the work e madam don dey do since...by the time baba do 3 months, nobody for tell am before e call their mama reason compromise...or maybe he felt protecting his kids from their juju mummy was worth the shabby parenting they'd have gotten from an apparently busy father and their genZ step mum.

GloriousGbola:





i am very sure you can read sir.

but you can tell me what the Quran and hadith say about bearing false witness [lying]

the same imams who tell you that polygamy is a right
the same imams who say juju is shirk
should also remind you that lying is haram

You're like these extremists who run with a narration whereas there's another narration that support the action taken by an individual they're castigating in a situation. If she doesn't want the person to be punished she's right to say she wasn't hurt. She has forgiven the person and she's not interested in pressing charges against him.

Theflint1:
This was what made Jarus suing for full custody quite funny, I doubt he's been involved in the grunt and less glamorous parts of day to day parenting, so e probably no know the work e madam don dey do since...by the time baba do 3 months, nobody for tell am before e call their mama reason compromise...or maybe he felt protecting his kids from their juju mummy was worth the shabby[b] parenting they'd have gotten from an apparently busy father and their genZ step mum[/b].

this imho is what would have happened
we dissected a case like this a few weeks ago. where a man was complaining about his wayward daughter. it turned out he divorced the mother and married a new wife and that was where it all started

i watched the documentary on shamima begum. her mother died. her dad married a new wife in 6 months and that is what started her downward spiral towards isis.

imho women are [for want of a better word] selfish and unable to fully care for children that are not their own.

BlueRayDick:


Baba, prior to the war UK had about 250k troops .
It was during the war they mobilized between 3m to 4m troops . If a nation of 46m people as at that time can mobilize 4m , how much do u think a country nearing 150m like Naija can mobilize if they want to do that in the time of war ?

I agree that our military is not in the best of shape as of today sha

Just seeing this. Yeah, you are right. The standing British Army was not that large. They had to build up during the war.

By the time the Nigerian military takes control of the skies, all that ordnance the British had would be destroyed at the depot.

Amoto94:

You're like these extremists who run with a narration whereas there's another narration that support the action taken by an individual they're castigating in a situation. If she doesn't want the person to be punished she's right to say she wasn't hurt. She has forgiven the person and she's not interested in pressing charges against him.

you cannot have it both ways

that is called hypocrisy

it is time to marry a new wife - that is a right in Islam
wife has committed shirk by witchcraft which is a major sin - grounds for divorce
i need my wife to tell a lie - forget about what islam says about false witness

basically, we will cherry pick what suits our desires

afrodoc2:


Just seeing this. Yeah, you are right. The standing British Army was not that large. They had to build up during the war.

By the time the Nigerian military takes control of the skies, all that ordnance the British had would be destroyed at the depot.

i would not count on the competence of our airforce sha
those ones crash plane every six months

raumdeuter:


Eneke the bird says that since men have learned to shoot without missing, he has learned to fly without perching.

To do polygamy you have to be very "strong willed" cos they will beg appeal and even manipulate. What are the demands of polygamy for this era wey pass the other.

First thing we can agree is that is that most women date/fvvck you because of a promise of a long term monogamous relationship or financial gain

Your financial differential is what attracts partners in Polygamy, you don't have to be rich, you just have to find one who finds your financial situation higher than what she can offer on her own or better than the options available

Even in situations like that of treblechamp and gloriosgbola where seemingly financially stable women have professed their desire to join their house as co-wives, you will still know that you cant remove the influence of their finances and stability to it

No woman will want to be your 2nd wife to be feeding you.

So polygamy like a Mercedes is not for everyone. Your mate dey offer landed property and SUV's as wetting ground you wan carry ordinary chest and bet9ja slip go there? comot for road jare

😂

GloriousGbola:



i would not count on the competence of our airforce sha
those ones crash plane every six months

lol. Still better by far than WW1. You have to remember that WW1 started just a decade after the first powered flight, when Wright Brothers flew the kite at Kitty Hawk. WW1 planes were modified kites. They didn’t even have radar amongst other disadvantages.

GloriousGbola:


what do the real muslims in the house have to say about false witness, tho?

i remember it as one of the greater sins -

This one na simple thing ai. I know there is something called 'lesser of two evils'. If the lie will yield some greater good, then it is permissible
There is an authentic Hadith about lying to reconcile parties in conflict/dispute.

It was narrated that Abu’l-Darda’ (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Shall I not tell you something that is better than the status of (voluntary) fasting, prayer and charity?” They said: “Yes.” He said: “Reconciling in a case of discord, for the evil of discord is the shaver.” Al-Tirmidhi said: It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “It is the shaver, and I do not say that it shaves hair, but that it shaves (i.e., destroys) religious commitment.”

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 4273; al-Tirmidhi, 2433. classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

It was narrated from Umm Kalthoom bint ‘Uqbah ibn Abi Mu’eet that she heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “He is not a liar who seeks to reconcile between people and says good things.” Narrated by al-Bukhari, 2490

In al-Saheehayn from the hadeeth of Umm Kalthoom bint ‘Uqbah (may Allah be pleased with her) that she heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “He is not a liar who reconciles between people, conveying good messages and saying good things.” Narrated by al-Bukhari, 2546; Muslim, 2605

Perhaps from the above Hadith is why the scholars have the below inference:

As for swearing false oaths in order to reconcile between people, it seems that this is permissible.

P.S: While Islam might have given out all rules, it also give room for where exception are allowed. Like the polygamy for instance, we will all agree that the same Islam says if u no capable then it is not for you. But the thing is, do we go by our individual definition of 'capable' or how Islam defined 'capable'?

Amoto94:

You're like these extremists who run with a narration whereas there's another narration that support the action taken by an individual they're castigating in a situation. If she doesn't want the person to be punished she's right to say she wasn't hurt. She has forgiven the person and she's not interested in pressing charges against him.

All u have done here is refuse to call a spade a spade.

The woman was beaten by her husband, the husband confessed same himself online and the wife also stated this in her tiktok post. A picture of her swollen face is on the internet.

Now she is in a law court where a Quran is presented to her and she swore to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

She is asked about the beatings she received from her husband and she denied they ever happened.(even though every evidence provided by herself and the husband suggested otherwise).

What she is done is called " Telling a lie". Simple. There's no sugarcoating it.

Yes, we understand her reasons for doing that but it is what it is. GloriousGbola is right on this one.

afrodoc2:


Just seeing this. Yeah, you are right. The standing British Army was not that large. They had to build up during the war.

By the time the Nigerian military takes control of the skies, all that ordnance the British had would be destroyed at the depot.

We can even carry a plane load of mosquito , empty it on their camp and watch them suffer malaria to our amusement . We may not even need to use ammunitions sef to conquer them

BlueRayDick:


We can even carry a plane load of mosquito , empty it on their camp and watch them suffer malaria to our amusement . We may not even need to use ammunitions sef to conquer them

Or we send Odumeje against them. Dem never born the British soldier wey fit resist Abidoshaker power.

Seankafor do you still believe the Kenyan youths wasted their time?

islamics:


This one na simple thing ai. I know there is something called 'lesser of two evils'. If the lie will yield some greater good, then it is permissible
There is an authentic Hadith about lying to reconcile parties in conflict/dispute.

It was narrated that Abu’l-Darda’ (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Shall I not tell you something that is better than the status of (voluntary) fasting, prayer and charity?” They said: “Yes.” He said: “Reconciling in a case of discord, for the evil of discord is the shaver.” Al-Tirmidhi said: It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “It is the shaver, and I do not say that it shaves hair, but that it shaves (i.e., destroys) religious commitment.”

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 4273; al-Tirmidhi, 2433. classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

It was narrated from Umm Kalthoom bint ‘Uqbah ibn Abi Mu’eet that she heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “He is not a liar who seeks to reconcile between people and says good things.” Narrated by al-Bukhari, 2490

In al-Saheehayn from the hadeeth of Umm Kalthoom bint ‘Uqbah (may Allah be pleased with her) that she heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “He is not a liar who reconciles between people, conveying good messages and saying good things.” Narrated by al-Bukhari, 2546; Muslim, 2605

Perhaps from the above Hadith is why the scholars have the below inference:

As for swearing false oaths in order to reconcile between people, it seems that this is permissible.

P.S: While Islam might have given out all rules, it also give room for where exception are allowed. Like the polygamy for instance, we will all agree that the same Islam says if u no capable then it is not for you. But the thing is, do we go by our individual definition of 'capable' or how Islam defined 'capable'?

If na this angle you wan take, the couple was already reconciled, this was them telling lies before the law.

Theflint1:
If na this angle you wan take, the couple was already reconciled, this was them telling lies before the law.

the problem for me is the double standard

when it was time to kick the wife out for witchcraft shirk no one considered she was doing this as a desperate last ditch move to save her marriage and stop an usurper. in fact i am sure the same imams and lawyers all bandied together to push out the unbelieving kafir

but when the tables were turned everyone is now defending lying

this is actually one reason why you have vitrolic feminists because they can see the game where men will gather around and use the religious texts to defend every thing they do where women get the short end if the stick

it is why i have always said as a man in africa you can get away with anything, and as a woman in the west you can also get away with anything

i am sure our former aviation minister and his children can therefore also lie on the Quran, since imprisonment means separating a family.
i am sure all our devout thieving politicians reference this hadith when they lie before nigerians , business partners etal

after all, i grew up with people shouting walahi talahi in front of me while i knew they were lying through their teeth

raumdeuter:


Men are easily forgiving, Unlike women, We no dey think deep like that and its one of our many failings. I think its even nature. Beat your small kids boy and girl. In 5mins tickle the boy and throw ball at him he don forget, the girl na wahala just dey start until you beg and beg .

But one thing is sure, The dynamics of his relationship with the first wife has changed forever, She cannot like you genuinely again after that and will just be putting up appearance and start her own long term planning

Its now a race of how much of Jarus time, wealth, devotion will come to me? Before it was 100% now she will have to hope for 50% and realistically get about 30%

As per the bolded you're generally right, but Jarus na spiricoco and I no too dey trust their decision making, man or woman.

True on the dynamics of their relationship changing, normal normal you go dey lucky say your wife no dey look you as means to an end, but in polygamous setup it's a lot worse, not only will they be living in constant mistrust which would want them to be working on backup plans, anything you do for the other wife, you go need dey replicate am with them 100% and it doesn't matter how much closer you are to the other wife.

BlueRayDick:


We can even carry a plane load of mosquito , empty it on their camp and watch them suffer malaria to our amusement . We may not even need to use ammunitions sef to conquer them

Theflint1:
As per the bolded you're generally right, but Jarus na spiricoco and I no too dey trust their decision making, man or woman.

True on the dynamics of their relationship changing, normal normal you go dey lucky say your wife no dey look you as means to an end, but in polygamous setup it's a lot worse, not only will they be living in constant mistrust which would want them to be working on backup plans, anything you do for the other wife, you go need dey replicate am with them 100% and it doesn't matter how much closer you are to the other wife.

the wife who was literally kicked out before social media intervention?
the devout muslimah who went to meet cele pastor [after prayers and entreaties failed] ?

madam has tear eye and you can be sure every moment from now on is calculated plans for her future