GloriousGbola:


the problem for me is the double standard

when it was time to kick the wife out for witchcraft shirk no one considered she was doing this as a desperate last ditch move to save her marriage and stop an usurper. in fact i am sure the same imams and lawyers all bandied together to push out the unbelieving kafir

but when the tables were turned everyone is now defending lying

this is actually one reason why you have vitrolic feminists because they can see the game where men will gather around and use the religious texts to defend every thing they do where women get the short end if the stick

i am sure our former aviation minister and his children can therefore also lie on the Quran, since imprisonment means separating a family.
i am sure all our devout thieving politicians reference this hadith when they lie before nigerians , business partners etal

after all, i grew up with people shouting walahi talah in front of me while i knew they were lying

BlueRayDick:


All u have done here is refuse to call a spade a spade.

The woman was beaten by her husband, the husband confessed same himself online and the wife also stated this in her tiktok post. A picture of her swollen face is on the internet.

Now she is in a law court where a Quran is presented to her and she swore to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

She is asked about the beatings she received from her husband and she denied they ever happened.(even though every evidence provided by herself and the husband suggested otherwise).

What she is done is called " Telling a lie". Simple. There's no sugarcoating it.

Yes, we understand her reasons for doing that but it is what it is. Glorio.usGbola is right on this one.

Amoto94:

The problem with you and him is that once you're cornered you begin to shift goalposts.

Amoto94:

The problem with you and him is that once you're cornered you begin to shift goalposts.

BlueRayDick:


Where is the goalpost shifting here?

GloriouGbola called out the fact that the lady lying in court is actually a sin which the clerics are willing to overlook.

Then u said there's nothing wrong in refusing to give testimony.

But the news report said the wife "denied the allegations". Like she literally lied under oath despite her husband's and her own admission of the occurrence of domestic violence.

U are the one who is actually twisting and turning here bro. U have not brought to the fore a scriptural backing that says one is allowed to lie while swearing in the name of God. That's where we are

GloriousGbola:


sheik amoto

it is fine to remember the hadith and Quran and act on them when it is time to kill kafirs who disrespect the Prophet,
it is fine to remember the hadith and Quran when it is time to take a second wife
but in cases of false witness, it is up to personal discretion

that is called laws for thee but not for me
and that is the hall mark of religious conservatism [for christians, muslims, etal]

double standards

a different standard for others and a different standard for myself - because unlike the other i am a true believer and Allah will understand my actions

there are numerous reports of republicans who make noise about abortion and banning it getting abortions for themselves. religious posturing. this is the same thing. rigidity when it involves others, flexibility when it suits myself.

Amoto94:

I have read a narration whereby if you don't want to have someone punished there's no need to testify when asked of it but you don't know this narration.

iamoyindamola:

Hadith or Quran?

GloriousGbola:


I am waiting for Oasisx.

You know oasis prefered answer is Hadiths are not authentic

liveLongNprospa:
Seankafor do you still believe the Kenyan youths wasted their time?

GloriousGbola:


basically, we will cherry pick what suits our desires

Theflint1:
If na this angle you wan take, the couple was already reconciled, this was them telling lies before the law.

GloriousGbola:



i am sure our former aviation minister and his children can therefore also lie on the Quran, since imprisonment means separating a family.

i am sure all our devout thieving politicians reference this hadith when they lie before nigerians , business partners etal

GloriousGbola:


I am waiting for Oasisx.

You know oasis prefered answer is Hadiths are not authentic

islamics:


Make I just borrow Sheik talk kawai, "we know what we are doing".

First bolded: This your example no follow as they did f*CK up in stealing funds and Islam has a rule on that.

Second bolded: they are also called out for their lies perhaps you might not be aware. Pantami was called out for his double standard during GEJ and Buhari regime.

islamics:

No doubt cherry picking/hypocrisy dey but it doesn't change wetin dey inside the book. The book already told us that some pple cherry pick and it warns against it.




Was already reconciled? They might have decided to reconcile but the court was formalizing everything.

My replying to was based on his question asking if giving false oath is allowed?

GloriousGbola:


But all of a sudden you are twisting yourself into pretzels trying to make excuses for lying.

islamics:


Nobody is arguing whether lying/giving false oath is bad. We all know the gravity of it.

What I am saying is that there are places where it is allowed to achieve a greater good based on scholars analogy.

We can read the Quran/Hadith page by page and get some literal meaning but that doesn't negate the facts that there are pple who devoted their time to learn the contextual meaning of the text and are able to draw analogy; these are the pple who would be better grounded than us with a surface meaning. At least, I know there is Ijma and there is Qiyas.

Literally, eating dead meat is Haram but you would agree that one is allowed to eat it in case of necessity and the necessity has been defined.

Here, lying/slander/false oath is Haram but exception has been made if it involve reconciliation. We don't make the rule but the rule has been made with where there are exception.

islamics:


Nobody is arguing whether lying/giving false oath is bad. We all know the gravity of it.

What I am saying is that there are places where it is allowed to achieve a greater good based on scholars analogy.

We can read the Quran/Hadith page by page and get some literal meaning but that doesn't negate the facts that there are pple who devoted their time to learn the contextual meaning of the text and are able to draw analogy; these are the pple who would be better grounded than us with a surface meaning. At least, I know there is Ijma and there is Qiyas.

Literally, eating dead meat is Haram but you would agree that one is allowed to eat it in case of necessity and the necessity has been defined.

Here, lying/slander/false oath is Haram but exception has been made if it involve reconciliation. We don't make the rule but the rule has been made with where there are exception.

seankafor:
Mehn, who dey wash tiwa savage plate 🍽️

https://x.com/DAMIADENUGA/status/1809253265353417093?t=uPOQBraaihGV8ok5BaCpwA&s=19

GloriousGbola:


I am waiting for Oasis.

You know oasis prefered answer is Hadiths are not authentic

OasisX:




.....I have been resisting the urge but since you won't let me breathe, let me use hadiths to counter you and justify the harmless, very necessary lie she told.



....another source.



Cc

Islamics
Iamoyindamola

OasisX:





......tell him to back it with a Qur'an verse. Let me tell you difference between Qur'an and Hadiths.

Qur'an is Compilation of Allah’s [SWT] words, revealed directly to Prophet Muhammad [SAW], while Hadiths are what Prophet's Companions and Relatives said they heard from him [Note; Hadiths were compiled after his death].

Also know that, each sect has their own hadiths. For instance according to Imam Malik (ra) in his Balaghan (Muwatta Imam Malik, 1601)

Holy Prophet said: "I am leaving behind two things the Book of Allah and the Sunnah".

Sunni Muslims do hold the verse tight to their chests like bitcoins, cos it can also be found in Sahih Bukhari [Hadith]. LOL!

However, Imam Muslim (ra) in Sahih Muslim (Hadith: 2408) reported what the Holy Prophet said as: "I am leaving behind two things the book of Allah and the Ahlu Bayt."

Shi'a Muslims no dey carry this one play. LOL! What bound all of us together is Qur'an, whether you are Sunni, Shi'a, Wahbi, Sufi, Ahmadiyya and so on.

If anyone wants tell me about what Allah commands or Islam permits, show me Qur'an verse(s) to back it not Hadiths.

 

GloriousGbola:





Please back it with a Quranic verse

GloriousGbola:





Please back it with a Quranic verse

See oasis packaging bro code

Habibi wife - Oasis I heard my husband is out with a side chick.

Oasis lying to prevent the wife from fighting the husband - It's a lie! I swear your husband is at work in the office! Walahi!

OasisX:




.....lying to protect fornication/adultery is evildoing and shouldn't be condoned bro. I'll rather avoid the situation than swearing it.

“It is not lawful to lie except in three cases: Something the man tells his wife to please her, to lie during war, and to lie in order to bring peace between the people.” (Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1938)

GloriousGbola:



your own quote chief

OasisX:




......not my quote but hadith and you wrongly understand it bro. In that situation you ain't telling lie to bring peace but calamity, cos if the wife later finds out nko?! LOL!

Lie to bring peace not calamity bruhhhhhh!!!