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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Paraman: 12:04pm On Jul 06
Gerhards:






Are you done with Anioma? grin
Ika and Ukwani no b Igbo

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by africanusvu(m): 12:04pm On Jul 06
Orch1981:

Everything to you fools na biafra
.all these insults and hate wit discrimination started when u guys and kanu began ur online republic.drawing frow ur bar maps of what u want.including boundaries witout first agreing wit them.all igbo brothers and friends now hate identifying wit us.this isues of we ar not igbos was amplified by these senseles agitations and killings in igcoland

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by bejick(m): 12:06pm On Jul 06
AareGaa:


Eebos should stop embarrassing themselves with all these stupid attachments
Ikwerre have rejected you, learn to respect yourselves.

Go to school learn how to spell problem, how do you load credit and data to you phone. it is IGBO and not the rubbish you spell Eebos.
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by anonymous1759(m): 12:06pm On Jul 06
bejick:


Which village in Anambra speaks Igala mentions one not speaking vague thing mention the village name.

Use the time you’re using to quote me to google check, I won’t educate you for free.
If you don’t know some parts of Anambra speak igala then you don’t have any business engaging anyone online . Ask your fellow Igbo colleagues to verify.

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Laurene: 12:08pm On Jul 06
opamoses1:

Lol. They are already acting like they know more than the professors and elders of Ikwerre.
There analysis above is either made up or highly flawed.
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Tranquill: 12:08pm On Jul 06
Orch1981:

You must be an idiot even from your comments I can notice that

Stop mistaking me for your father
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by DomPerignon: 12:09pm On Jul 06
Gerhards:









Inferiority complex has destroyed this one beyond repairs, wailer keep wailing that's all you are good for grin

Inferiority complex ?

See this one dey talk ?

This Jew claiming 0su banza calling others inferior.


What was the entire point of fake Ibo claims to Jewry if it wasn't to ascribe chosenite status and rewrite your primitive cannibal origins and make your primitive ass appear better before your superiors in Nigeria ?

It's you guys that go shopping for judases to sell their people into your failed Ibo project.

Wasn't this how Enugu began rewriting the Bini history of Bendel Ibos from Ancient Bini to Nri, Nnsuka during the biafran occupation of old Midwestern region ? As I said nah those foolish slaves in Asaba that will continue to fall for your tricks after all nah your slaves them be. Literally .

It's only you guys who have no single clue on your own origins that keep rewriting other peoples history..


Now that's what I call inferiority complex which you falsely assume you can write off through false claims to greatness , Jewry and material deposition.

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Laurene: 12:10pm On Jul 06
Remman:
Intermarriage happens everywhere, since we settled closer to the igbos, our ancestors married Igbo daughters to avoid marrying their own siblings and somehow the Igbo daughters married into our land taught their children the Igbo language. And this practice happens till date where children found themselves speaking their mother's language. If the Igbos claim we came from them, let's hear their own Kanu and Ojukwu story about the ancestors of Ikwerres. Before the civil war, the Igbos came to settle in Ikwerre land and began to rename our streets bearing our true ancestral names to their language names. Now during the civil war they killed us and did a lot of evil to us whom they now claim is their brothers (since they're unaware of the language-work of their daughters married by our ancestors). Now, when the war was intensified, they ran away (why would they run if they owned the place?). When we saw how we were tricked by those tribes, we took back our properties they stole from us, we won the battle.
You weren't even close to being born during the war.
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Laurene: 12:14pm On Jul 06
Tranquill:


You are the one calling Etche Igbo. Never seen an Etche person in real life who claims to be Igbo only online. Ngwa claim that they migrated from Ikwerre and if they decide they are Igbo that is their problem.

I remember one Ngwa fellow on nairaland here who was also talking about how they were misled to tag along with Igbo identity despite warning by Ikwerre.

Mek ona move on abeg
You're a big time liar grin
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by wizod(m): 12:15pm On Jul 06
sharap, Ikwere is pure Igbo
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by obailala(m): 12:15pm On Jul 06
Ikwerre by all logical standards is Igbo; their language is just an Igbo dialect.

However if the Ikwerre people so claim that they aren't Igbos, then they arent Igbos.

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by DIVINEEVIDENCE: 12:15pm On Jul 06
Goodvibes007:


Watch 18 min. 35 seconds mark. The woman clearly said they are not Ibo.


From 'Everybody' to 'The Woman.'

Una go explain tire.

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by emapeteum(m): 12:17pm On Jul 06
Orch1981:

Your mumu no be here ooooo
So you believe all this lies Igbo women are very strong oooo
You have a serious psycho problem. Debunk my claim with facts rather than showing your stupidity
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Ngozi123(f): 12:19pm On Jul 06
Christlike01:


This is exactly what Giannis Adetokunbo's mother did! She taught all her Yoruba children Igbo language and change their mentality and worldviews to that of Igbo! That's exactly what the GRV's mother has successfully done. She brainwashed that fool to the extent that he hates himself - his own identity and heritage! The fool claims he doesn't even think in Yoruba;what a shame! It is the same thing Mrs Akeredolu of Ondo State is trying to do with her children.

Given what we know about these Igbo women,I believe this your faction of the story. I think it's authentic. Ikwerres are not Igbo;they are a distinct ethnic group different from Igbo. Why won't I believe so when majority of these Igbo are already claiming and celebrating Giannis Adetokunbo,the Basketballer,as an Igbo man! Truly,Igbo people's attache by force is quite appalling.

Can Giannis speak Igbo fluently? Can GRV or Betty's kids speak Igbo fluently?

Giannis grew up outside of Yoruba land and his father likely died before he reached adulthood so it's understandable why he feels closer to his mother's side. Most people would.

These Ikwerre claims are more akin to Yoruba men from a particular town marrying Igbo women and those women coming in to change their traditions, language and customs to the extent that there is no more trace of Yoruba in any of them.

This is not about one or two families but a whole community of people. How is this even possible?

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Afonja007: 12:19pm On Jul 06
Yes na, why dem no go deny igbo people?,people wey government don tell say igbo people go dominate dem if dem say dem be igbos grin egbema dey both imo and rivers state according to government the ones wey dey imo state be igbos the ones wey dey rivers state be niger delta grin grin grin na water divided dem ooh angry grin Africa mumu ooh
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by shizzleStar: 12:19pm On Jul 06
OriOko88:
undecided
You hv no correlation with ibos,but u bear ibo name. Many of u even spk ibo language.Is that elechi not even ibo name,cos I remember one former ebonyi state govo bearing that name.

Iru confusion wo leleyi olohun undecided undecided
don't mind the confused fools
Btw, it's Igbo not 'ibo'. Thanks

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Gajagojo: 12:22pm On Jul 06
franchasofficia:
Fulani people still speak Fulfude amongst themselves, why don't our Ikwerre Bini people speak Bini dialect amongst themselves?


Fulani people never abandoned their nomadic cattle rearing because they left Futa Jalon.

Fulani people still practice same culture and tradition all over Africa they migrated to. They still speak Fulfude, they still call their traditional rulers same name with all Fulanis all over Africa. Fulani people still bear same Fulani name all over Africa they migrated to. They didn't abandon their Fulani names in Ilorin and adopted Yoruba names completely because they migrated to Ilorin lolz


But our Bini Ikwerre people forgot their Bini tradition, forgot their Bini culture, forgot their Bini names, forgot their Bini dialect, forgot everything that makes them Bini and adopted Igbo own, no be juju be that?
You are making assertions you cannot substantiate

Are the Fulani and Ikwerre of the same size??
First there is nothing like a universal Fulfude intelligible to Al Fulani
That is false. Most Fulani in Nigeria do not speak Fulfude, Buhari can not ,Atiku cannot etc
There is nothing like universal Ibo language intelligible to all Ibos

The so called central ibo was imposed by the British and Nigerian state using the bible and other instruments like media

So the idea of one thing called Igbo never existed before Nigeria
Ikwerre language is a language
It is not a dialect of Ibo

French,Spanish Italian Portuguese all belong to the same language family No one is a dialect of the otheake Roberto,Carlos,Ronaldo, Carmen, Andrea
No one can claim ownership So it is with Ikwerre and Ibo language
They are called Igboid language's because at the time of classification the largest group were Ibos .

That is the origin of the word Igboid

So when you talk of Forgetting names Ikwerre names aren't Ibo they are Ikwerre

Language is not people
It is perfectly possible for a language and culture to remain in situ whilst the people are replaced by completely new genetic stock

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Proudlyngwa(m): 12:23pm On Jul 06
anonymous1759:




But you guys said Bini founded Lagos , yet there’s no trace of Benin heritage In Lagos.
the name Oba is a Yoruba name .

Secondly if PH is SE, why did they ( igbos) ran way during the civil war to their original land ?

(3) part of Anambra speaks igala you guys never said those parts are Kogi’s or idomas, but if any other tribe speaks Igbo in a different state you’ll claim the land .

I’ve never for once seen where you guys contemplated on ceding parts of Anambra to Kogi because they speak igala in Igbo land.
What you can’t take is always what you dish out.

I hope you know there is a difference between tribe and state
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Ojuntana: 12:24pm On Jul 06
Anselemchi:

Their is no historical relation with bini
Bini has a well documented history, they shld tell us their Benin family name, individual name before migration , all this nonsense started in 1979 by Gowon in order to limit igbos access to the river, as tactics to prevent the creation of state of Biafra, Ikwere just like every other sub tribe in Igbo land, have dialect, similar to one another, culturally d same, if they are Bini there shld be some retention in culture , women don't perform some men culture, there fore it's impossible for women to accuturalize men
I quite agree with the angle of implausible for women to acculturate men.
But we should at least hear from them in a dispassionate manner and check with Bini if there's any corroboration. Bini were known to have good historical records
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Ngozi123(f): 12:24pm On Jul 06
LOVEALAIGBO:


I think the main issue is trying to understand why a Yoruba man is happy some Ikwerre man is denying being Igbo! I mean, what's your locus in the whole matter and why do you spend an inordinate amount of time on issues concerning Ndigbo and Igbo deniers....ALWAYS supporting anyone willing to deny being Igbo!?


If only they could see what was coming their way undecided...
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by shizzleStar: 12:26pm On Jul 06
franchasofficia:
My Ikwerre people will not kill me with laugh, Nigerian politics can make people deny their own children hehe oh cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

You migrated from Bini and stopped answering your Bini name? Stopped speaking Bini dialect, stopped following Bini culture and tradition, refused to name your traditional rulers Oba but rather call them Eze and Igwe cheesy grin


And you further confuse yourself by agreeing that Ikwerre and Ngwa and Etche people are siblings but Ngwa people are proudly Igbos even Etche people, only Ikwerre people became Bini shocked cheesy



We need to hear from Oba of Bini on this discombulated history shocked grin
The oba of Benin said this in his book already. Have never in my entire life seen this level of clownishness and idiocy displayed by a people like ikwerres cheesy

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Ngozi123(f): 12:26pm On Jul 06
Christlike01:


Please don't involve Yoruba in this;it has nothing to do with us! Yoruba people,from Nigeria to Benin Republic, Togo to Ghana, Sierra Leone to the Gambia, Brazil to Cuba, the Olukumi in Delta state to the Okun in Kogi state,etc don't deny their "Yorubaness". The Yoruba are one indivisible ethnic group irrespective of geographical locations they are found. Ile-Ife in Osun State is our ancestral home;no controversy.

If this has nothing to do with Yoruba people, why are you in this thread? undecided
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Gajagojo: 12:26pm On Jul 06
NgwalandAbia:


Shut up Yoruba man what do you know about us bloody stranger.

Continue barking
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by javascript1901: 12:26pm On Jul 06
DmonSlayer10:

Don't be clever by half!!!
You very well know I'm not talking about them...but you choose to use mischief to try to denigrate the points I'm making.

How can we grow?

What your "Ikwerre elders" say is JUST their opinions....whoever they are...for whatever reasons...because soon you'll hear a different view from better placed Ikwerres.See?

By the way,an Igbo nation of over 65 million people..at home and in the diaspora...and HIGHLY successful in ALL facets of human endevours,do not really need the Ikwerres for...for..(.for what really?)for whatever,except for the blood of kinship running in the veins of both groups.

Anyway,I was only responding to a certain Yoruba muslim who masqueraded as an Ikwerre to revision and rewrite history with the intent to create further division between sister ethnic groups.....in view of 2027!!!

And please,stop lumping the entire Yoruba race into the fray whenever we are Specifically talking about Yoruba muslims. E get why

Well.

The fact is majority of Ikwerres or more than 90% Ikwerres already said they are not Igbos. It's not just some elders saying they are not Igbos or some people with different view.

Therefore, other tribes cannot be blamed.
Ikwerres said it first by themselves.

I live in their town , so I know what's up.



Yoruba Christian, muslim, or Ogun worshipper... All are still same bloodline - ILE IFE
One bad muslim or some bad ones does not mean all muslims are bad

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by shizzleStar: 12:29pm On Jul 06
Gajagojo:

Continue barking
why can't you yaroba subhumans mind your fvcking business ?
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by DIVINEEVIDENCE: 12:29pm On Jul 06
Gajagojo:

That is Ibo logic

First of who is Ibo
How is that defined?
Was there ever a country called Ibo ?

Ibo is a creation of the British and Nigeria
Before Nigeria there was never a single group known as Ibo

That is the reality
Ngwa people never called themselves Ibos and actively denied being Ibos for decades
Aros DEFINITELY did not see themselves as Ibos and for verylong their main business was hunting and selling Ibos as slaves

Just like most Fulanis in Nigeria cannot speak Fulani and only speak Hausa

Hausa language does not make them Hausa


Hausa language is a lingua franca in Northern Nigeria
Just like English is lingua franca in Nigeria,the USA and Arabic language is in so many countries

So, how did those various enclaves come to speak the same language, worship the same deities, observe the same market days, initiation rites and other cultural practices?

All these year 2000 kids.
Your curse is that of a nation that bans History from its school curriculum.

What in the name of all things holy is South-South?
An artificial geographical space carved out because of crude oil fumbling around since 1953 in search of their ancestry and cultural heritage.

You've denied being Igbo, then who are you?
Ancestry is not by denial, but by subscription.

Igbos claim Eri as their progenitor.
Who is the progenitor of the Ikwerre?

Oil will one day finish, that's for sure.
Then the chickens will surely come home to roost.


Ndi eriri eri.

Gbupu aso!
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by shizzleStar: 12:31pm On Jul 06
@franchasofficia , this was oba of Benins excerpt in his book about ikwerres being Igbos . So these confused creatures mean the oba doesn't even know his supposed subjects? Eternal clowns cheesy grin

Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Proudlyngwa(m): 12:32pm On Jul 06
Gajagojo:

You are making assertions you cannot substantiate

Are the Fulani and Ikwerre of the same size??
First there is nothing like a universal Fulfude intelligible to Al Fulani
That is false. Most Fulani in Nigeria do not speak Fulfude, Buhari can not ,Atiku cannot etc
There is nothing like universal Ibo language intelligible to all Ibos

The so called central ibo was imposed by the British and Nigerian state using the bible and other instruments like media

So the idea of one thing called Igbo never existed before Nigeria
Ikwerre language is a language
It is not a dialect of Ibo

French,Spanish Italian Portuguese all belong to the same language family No one is a dialect of the otheake Roberto,Carlos,Ronaldo, Carmen, Andrea
No one can claim ownership So it is with Ikwerre and Ibo language
They are called Igboid language's because at the time of classification the largest group were Ibos .

That is the origin of the word Igboid
Oga all those things are dialects of igbo

That also explains why they call
God Chukwu
Water Nmiri
Money Ego
King Eze
Market Ahia

Have 4 market days
Oldest man recognition
Opara recognition
Eze nmuuo
Iwa Orji


The Akwaibom people in my village whom we share the same market, and other things with have not lost Thier identity, the ogonis who claim the migrated from Ghana have not lost Thier identity.

Only ikwerri lose thiers

You can claim to be anything, enough concern us, but stop twisting history

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by Christlike01: 12:32pm On Jul 06
Ngozi123:


If this has nothing to do with Yoruba people, why are you in this thread? undecided

It gives me joy to see Igbo being rejected once again, that's why I'm "in the thread"!

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by 004gist: 12:33pm On Jul 06
Paraman:
I can never call an Ikwerre man a Igbo man, is just like referring Buhari a Fulani man as a Hausa man.

Ikwerre no b igbi

But they answer igbo names and speak our language... So what's that supposed to mean

Why didn't they have their own distinct language just like the ijaws, efik and the rest minorities?

Why are they answering chinedu, ifeanyi, Ngozi etc?

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Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by javascript1901: 12:35pm On Jul 06
Ngozi123:


If this has nothing to do with Yoruba people, why are you in this thread? undecided
Is this news specifically for only your tribe to read and make comment?
Re: Ikwerres Deny Ancestral Affiliation With South-East by anonymous1759(m): 12:35pm On Jul 06
Proudlyngwa:


I hope you know there is a difference between tribe and state

You guys are skeptical when critical questions are being asked . Any tribe that’s similar to South E that occupies a land in a different region the South East claims the land or the state in particular.
they’ll tell you our food , clothes, customs and traditions are the same irrespective of the location.

but a state or tribe dare not claim igbo land because some their indigenous people live there (SE). Kogi has not for one day claim those part of land in Anambra where igala people live .
When you tackle them they’ll tell you their lands were carved out . Everything time same victim mentality like other tribes didn’t experience such.

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