achorladey:

Females are used to fill the office of apostles......Max
The office of Apostles and Shepherds are not given to females....... Max
This is what Emusan ask you to see.
Going by the above females are apostles too. Correct?

In the absence of baptized males females act until males are baptized and the females return to their place:
Remain silent in the congregation!

achorladey:

What I know in his kingdom halls is that the females, girls, women are not silent when they go there for worship.

In the kingdom halls do females stand before baptized men to lead during prayer or preach to the congregation?
To remain silent means not to take the mantle of leadership before men {1Timothy 2:12} unbaptized men aren't qualified to act as ministers in the congregation of Christ so when females are the only ones baptized in the congregation they will act but must cover their heads as sign that the office doesn't belong to females!

MaxInDHouse:


In the absence of baptized males females act until males are baptized and the females return to their place:
Remain silent in the congregation!

In the absence of baptized males females act

Where did you get this from?


Act as what?

Apostles

Apostates

Teachers

Readers

Which one?

The men leading your congregations are acting as what?

MaxInDHouse:

In the kingdom halls do females stand before baptized men to lead during prayer or preach to the congregation?
To remain silent means not to take the mantle of leadership before men {1Timothy 2:12} unbaptized men aren't qualified to act as ministers in the congregation of Christ so when females are the only ones baptized in the congregation they will act but must cover their heads as sign that the office doesn't belong to females!

To be silent is different from taken mantle of leadership

Stop manipulating the scripture based on the policies and procedures of your religious organization. You want to start redefining terms again

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus Christ never choose one single female to be an Apostle all the twelve and Paul the thirteenth are males.
You're free to choose whatever you want to believe i have explained what i found in the scriptures.
Thanks!

How many times would I tell you that father the Almighty choose for himself and ordained female servants. I think you know that father is superior than son

achorladey:

In the absence of baptized males females act
Where did you get this from?

1 Corinthians 11:3-10
Males shouldn't cover their heads since they're the head over females in sacred service but if females are the only baptized (qualified) in the congregation then the baptized female must cover her head as sign of respect for the headship which rightfully belongs to males.
Apostles establish the congregations so females can't serve as Apostles that's why no female was sent to establish churches in Bible times!

MaxInDHouse:


1 Corinthians 11:3-10
Males shouldn't cover their heads since they're the head over females in sacred service but if females are the only baptized (qualified) in the congregation then the baptized female must cover her head as sign of respect for the headship which rightfully belongs to males.
Apostles establish the congregations so females can't serve as Apostles that's why no female was sent to establish churches in Bible times!

What is in 1 Corinthians 11: 3-10?

Quote where it is stated in the Bible women should act in the absence of men as apostles.

lslamVIRGINS:

How many times would I tell you that father the Almighty choose for himself and ordained female servants. I think you know that father is superior than son.

In which religion do you think God ordained females to lead in worship in the presence of males?

If you consider the time of Moses the high priest leads all Israel in worship and there was no time a female was chosen to serve as high priest. Jesus is the Son of God through whom pure worship was extended to gentiles like you and i when choosing Apostles to lead his disciples he chose only males.
So which God are you talking about here?

achorladey:

What is in 1 Corinthians 11: 3-10.
Quote where it is stated in the Bible women should act in the absence of men as apostles.

MaxInDHouse:

Apostles establish the congregations so females can't serve as Apostles that's why no female was sent to establish churches in Bible times!

This is what i posted so if you don't get it i mean females can't serve as Apostles!

Apostles are the pillars of the church they are the ones who establish churches everywhere they go, that assignment was never given to females.

It's after they have established the churches that females can assist in offices like teachers, shepherds, pastors and prophets in the congregation until men are qualified to take all those responsibilities then the females must return to their position: remain silent in the congregation regarding office of oversight!

MaxInDHouse:



This is what i posted so if you don't get it i mean females can't serve as Apostles!

Apostles are the pillars of the church they are the ones who establish churches everywhere they go, that assignment was never given to females.

It's after they have established the churches that females can assist in offices like teachers, shepherds, pastors and prophets in the congregation until men are qualified to take all those responsibilities then the females must return to their position: remain silent in the congregation regarding office of oversight!

That's what defending religious policies and procedures does to someone.

Where did the Bible says women should acts as apostles in the absence of men.

This is what i posted so if you don't get it i mean females can't serve as Apostles!.....Maxindhouse

Females can act as apostles in the absence of males....... MaxInDHouse

achorladey:

That's what defending religious policies and procedures does to someone.
Where did the Bible says women should acts as apostles in the absence of men.
Females can act as apostles in the absence of males....... MaxInDHouse

Na way o!

I keep repeating myself that females can't serve or act as Apostles because that office was meant for those serving as pillars of the church of Christ:

The wall of the city also had 12 foundation stones, and on them were the 12 names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb. Revelations 21:14

So that office was never vacant for females!

MaxInDHouse:

Na way o!

I keep repeating myself that females can't serve or act as Apostles because that office was meant for those serving as pillars of the church of Christ:

The wall of the city also had 12 foundation stones, and on them were the 12 names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb. Revelations 21:14

So that office was never vacant for females!

Where did you see women can act as apostles in the absence of men?

So that office was never vacant for females

Vacant or not is not the issue here in the first place. The content and context of the Bible verse related to this was not written with vacancy mindset.

achorladey:

Where did you see women can act as apostles in the absence of men?
Vacant or not is not the issue here in the first place.

Chai ọmọ this is why it's difficult to rebel against the organization of God.

Simply because you just want to prove God's organization wrong you're arguing back and forth shey?

Ọmọ women can't act as Apostles it's impossible because Apostles are the foundation stones (establishers of churches) no female was given such a privilege in Bible times!

MaxInDHouse:


Chai ọmọ this is why it's difficult to rebel against the organization of God.

Simply because you just want to prove God's organization wrong you're arguing back and forth shey?

Ọmọ women can't act as Apostles it's impossible because Apostles are the foundation stones (establishers of churches) no female was given such a privilege in Bible times!

Yesterday no organization should be brought into this discussion

Today....

Simply because you just want to prove God's organization wrong you're arguing back and forth shey

.



I am not going back and forth. You are advancing what is contradictory and you don't want to accept it as contradicting. In the final analysis it is your religious organization policies and procedures that women can act as apostles in the absence of men.

I am not going to slaughter you when you admit it.

When I showed you Junia as an Apostle you jumped into Bible translation I use and I should believe what I choose now it is

See how your lies and manipulations come full circle.......

Ọmọ women can't act as Apostles it's impossible because

Same MaxInDHouse.......

In the absence of baptized males females act as apostles until males......

Hiding under rebellion against that your man made religious organization you call God's organization won't save you now

achorladey:

it is your religious organization policies and procedures that women can act as apostles in the absence person of women.

Any organization where females act as Apostles must have done that in error so they should correct it because Apostles are chosen to serve as foundation stone (pillars) of the church of Christ.

So it's wrong!

MaxInDHouse:


Females are used to fill the office in the absence of baptized males so once there are baptized males females return to their place:

Remain silent in the congregation!

You can continue to repeat that nonsense!

Nonsense remains nonsense even if spoken by the most scientist!

Emusan:

You can continue to repeat that nonsense!
Nonsense remains nonsense even if spoken by the most scientist!

OK Sir!

Emusan:


You can continue to repeat that nonsense!

Nonsense remains nonsense even if spoken by the most scientist!

Let me remind him of the nonsense again.....

Females are used to fill the office in the absence of baptized males

Or....

In the absence of baptized males females act as apostles until males......

And more.....

Ọmọ women can't act as Apostles it's impossible because

MaxInDHouse:


Any organization where females act as Apostles must have done that in error so they should correct it because Apostles are chosen to serve as foundation stone (pillars) of the church of Christ.

So it's wrong!

Your religious organization do admit they make errors and mistakes anyway. That your religious organization is acting in error then.

Do you agree?


Apostles are not the only foundation of the church. More problem for you to sort again.

achorladey:


Let me remind him of the nonsense again.....



Or....



And more.....

A contradiction that is very obvious!

Now that Mightysparrow exposed his lie as a result of his restlessness on Nairaland, he wants to twist it with more contradiction

In the first century Christian congregation we have two offices that females can't occupy:

APOSTLES and ELDERS!

No single female was chosen to fill in these two offices because it doesn't belong to females at all but other responsibilities such as teachers, shepherds, pastors and prophets could be given to females pending the time males will qualify to take over from them.

Paul warned the Corinthians that if the female among them should take up such office she must cover her head with clothing because angels are sensitive to such abnormalities in sacred service! 1Corinthians 11:10

achorladey:

Apostles are not the only foundation of the church.

Scriptural references please!

Emusan:


A contradiction that is very obvious!

Now that Mightysparrow exposed his lie as a result of his restlessness on Nairaland, he wants to twist it with more contradiction

Looool! The same thing he knows exist in their midst maybe not as prominent as in the other Christian religious denominations he will come out and condemn as wrong or bad.

MaxInDHouse:


Scriptural references please!

Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself

There you have it.

That prophet and prophesying just make your position on this issue more worrisome for you.

achorladey:

Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets.

So you have no scriptural backup for what you claim shey?

Well for the benefit of other followers of this thread i will clarify matters:

This is what you said:

achorladey:

Apostles are not the only foundation of the church.

But it's scripturally WRONG!

HOW?

Jesus made it clear that the Apostles are the foundation stones of his church {Revelations 21:14} this means they are the pillars holding the house together.
So according to Apostle Paul the house built on top of this foundation stones is the church comprising of all the members both males and females, old and young!

For we are God’s fellow workers. You are God’s field under cultivation, God’s building 1Corinthians 3:9

Note the highlighted in blue.
Paul said the Apostles (himself inclusive) are God's fellow workers while the congregation (church) is God's field under cultivation or God's building.

A house must have foundation which differs from the house itself so if a house doesn't have a foundation it will collapse. No engineer will ever agree with you that the house and the foundation means the same thing because they are never constructed the same way!


So if you have something tangible to say let's hear it i'm not interested in your yarning off point this evening:

CJStarz:

Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

MaxInDHouse:


So you have no scriptural backup for what you claim shey?

Well for the benefit of other followers of this thread i will clarify matters:

This is what you said:



But it's scripturally WRONG!

HOW?

Jesus made it clear that the Apostles are the foundation stones of his church {Revelations 21:14} this means they are the pillars holding the house together.
So according to Apostle Paul the house built on top of this foundation stones is the church comprising of all the members both males and females, old and young!

For we are God’s fellow workers. You are God’s field under cultivation, God’s building 1Corinthians 3:9

Note the highlighted in blue.
Paul said the Apostles (himself inclusive) are God's fellow workers while the congregation (church) is God's field under cultivation or God's building.

A house must have foundation which differs from the house itself so if a house doesn't have a foundation it will collapse. No engineer will ever agree with you that the house and the foundation means the same thing because they are never constructed the same way!


So if you have something tangible to say let's hear it i'm not interested in your yarning off point this evening:

IslamVIRGIN said today......

The guy no get brain

You know who you are the moment you stated...

So you have no scriptural backup for what you claim shey?

Indeed your use of your brains need to be called into question

Well for the benefit of other followers of this thread i will clarify matters:

Your clarification will expose that indeed you no get brains

This is what I stated....

Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself

And your brains didn't recognise that is Ephesians 2:20

But it's scripturally WRONG!

After you read the above you will see your scripturally right

HOW?

More exposure of your not using your brains well but to lie and manipulate scripture

Jesus made it clear that the Apostles are the foundation stones of his church {Revelations 21:14} this means they are the pillars holding the house together.

This revelation 21:14.....

The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Content and context is not talking about the church. Your lies and manipulations packed into your brains exposed.

So according to Apostle Paul the house built on top of this foundation stones is the church comprising of all the members both males and females, old and young!

What was built on the foundation stones is not the point here. Distractions

For we are God’s fellow workers. You are God’s field under cultivation, God’s building 1Corinthians 3:9

Irrelevant again. The apostles are not the only foundation of the church

Note the highlighted in blue.
Paul said the Apostles (himself inclusive) are God's fellow workers while the congregation (church) is God's field under cultivation or God's building.

Paul is part of the building and fellow worker with every other part of the building. They are all meant to build one another up and support one another

A house must have foundation which differs from the house itself

If not for madness and insanities peddling of your brains, do you have a house that don't have foundation? How can a house differ from it's foundation? Go school, No. Even technical education will tell that a building(house) in simple basic technology comprises a structure that has

1. Floor, foundation
2. Walls
3. Roof

Where did you get house that don't have foundation?

so if a house doesn't have a foundation it will collapse.

Which means a foundation is part of the building(house) no foundation no house. Foundation is part of what makes a house not separated from what makes a house
.

No engineer will ever agree with you that the house and the foundation means the same thing because they are never constructed the same way!

No engineer will tell you a house is separate from foundation. what is a house without foundation? Do you have any building without foundation?

So if you have something tangible to say let's hear it i'm not interested in your yarning off point this evening:

Just look at the screenshot attached below...

So it's either the church make amendments in organizational setting or remain in their errors no single female was chosen to serve as one of the pillars (foundation stones) in Christianity.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


Females join us during house to house ministry but in the congregation (church) they must not speak as teachers in the presence of qualified men that's why Jesus never chose a single female to be an Apostle! 1Timothy 2:12

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Don't you feel the verse qouted is solely Paul's opinion?

Later Paul wrote:

Galatians 3:28, "there is neither male nor female, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
In what context is female equal and the same time not equal?

Holy Spirit came upon all the people in the Upper Room baptized all of them without discrimination.

I understand that your organization doesnot have female leaders, that is your community truth Deeper Life, RCCG, Apostolic Faith... Anglican have, Catholic no. These are mere community truths.

Church and organization of evolved over years and people are commissioned to take positions as needed. Before Christ came, nowhere was it said that Jews should build synagogues. Since man by nature are travellers, they carried their culture and religion everywhere they went

Jesus did not make anybody Apostles, before His ascension all were disciples. The five fold ministry as handed down by the Apostles are not recognized in your organization (community truth), some ministries do.

Back to women and preaching, there are many ministries with women with great feats. Priscilla, Maria Woodworth - Etter Kathryn Kulman, Amiee Simpson, Dorothy Trudell, Florence Crawford..,. Some of these founded churches that has lasted over a century. In fact, Apostolic Faith and your organization were founded same year in the same country.

Can we now say that God does not approve their works and all their members are lost ( anyway, JWs believe that all the saints before, now, and in the future are doomed). Meaning, whosoever,is not approved by GB is not approved by God ( community delusion).


Since God promised and did pour His Spirit on all men ( men and women in fulfillment). For what purpose?

MaxInDHouse:

In which religion do you think God ordained females to lead in worship in the presence of males?

If you consider the time of Moses the high priest leads all Israel in worship and there was no time a female was chosen to serve as high priest. Jesus is the Son of God through whom pure worship was extended to gentiles like you and i when choosing Apostles to lead his disciples he chose only males.
So which God are you talking about here?

Were you told inside hall that God has a religion? You have to stop listening to your people in JW's, they only gather you inside hall to brainwash you occultist members

MightySparrow:



But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Don't you feel the verse qouted is solely Paul's opinion?

Later Paul wrote:

Galatians 3:28, "there is neither male nor female, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
In what context is female equal and the same time not equal?

Holy Spirit came upon all the people in the Upper Room baptized all of them without discrimination.

I understand that your organization doesnot have female leaders, that is your community truth Deeper Life, RCCG, Apostolic Faith... Anglican have, Catholic no. These are mere community truths.

Church and organization of evolved over years and people are commissioned to take positions as needed. Before Christ came, nowhere was it said that Jews should build synagogues. Since man by nature are travellers, they carried their culture and religion everywhere they went

Jesus did not make anybody Apostles, before His ascension all were disciples. The five fold ministry as handed down by the Apostles are not recognized in your organization (community truth), some ministries do.

Back to women and preaching, there are many ministries with women with great feats. Priscilla, Maria Woodworth - Etter Kathryn Kulman, Amiee Simpson, Dorothy Trudell, Florence Crawford..,. Some of these founded churches that has lasted over a century. In fact, Apostolic Faith and your organization were founded same year in the same country.

Can we now say that God does not approve their works and all their members are lost ( anyway, JWs believe that all the saints before, now, and in the future are doomed). Meaning, whosoever,is not approved by GB is not approved by God ( community delusion).


Since God promised and did pour His Spirit on all men ( men and women in fulfillment). For what purpose?

This term you like using called community delusion dey make me laugh.

lslamVIRGINS:


Were you told inside hall that God has a religion? You have to stop listening to your people in JW's, they only gather you inside hall to brainwash you occultist members

Especially religion in the sense of being a card carrying member of a religious organization set up by men all over world today.

achorladey:



This term you like using called community delusion dey make me laugh.

Me too.
I am laughing in JWs' paradise's language.