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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 2:15pm On Jul 16 |
oliverano: Carvajal > walker |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kingBolton: 2:16pm On Jul 16 |
Leyqute:Thomas tuchel is a cup specialist sha. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:19pm On Jul 16 |
Vischy: How many coaches will have the guts to remove a top star like that We saw how Ronaldo played all minutes, we saw how Mbappe played even when playing rubbish Southgate did more than most coaches would have in the same situation 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 2:20pm On Jul 16 |
andrewbaba44: Fairs In this tourney yes but overall, I think they're close. I'll personally take prime Walker over prime Cava. Just personal choice though, nothing against Cava. He's goated! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 2:22pm On Jul 16 |
oliverano: Just going by their current form sha |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick9(m): 2:27pm On Jul 16 |
Leyqute:This Looks like a cut scene from EA Fifa |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 2:30pm On Jul 16 |
kingBolton: How many cups does Tuchel have to be classified as a "Specialist" in cup competitions? No be agenda driven o o o, just genuine question. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 2:36pm On Jul 16 |
kingBolton: I agree 100%. I just think he’s a league football junkie. If he doesn’t coach a team every week he might start displaying withdrawal symptoms. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Trevor012(m): 2:43pm On Jul 16 |
Jodera:See my guy You are complaining about the same process that is used in deciding mvp award. So now you agree it's not a reliable metric 😂 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Sportsweb: 2:57pm On Jul 16 |
kingBolton:Is that why he bottled 3 cup finals as Chelsea manger. Thank God he won UCL, that's the only thing that earned him the love of Chelsea fans. Imagine he bottled 2 FA & UCl and then won Carabao Cup, nobody for rate am 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by fredoooooo: 3:00pm On Jul 16 |
Make England sign chic2pimp... My Gee , I will be one of ya technical crew
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kingBolton: 3:01pm On Jul 16 |
Sportsweb:Check the number of cup competitions he has won. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kingBolton: 3:05pm On Jul 16 |
Leyqute:His teams doesn't always have the consistency to compete in a 38 games season, saw it at Chelsea and also Bayern. But if it is to prepare a team for specific opponents which is usually the case for cup games, he is very good at it. Look at what he almost pulled off with Bayern in the UCL despite their league form last season. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Sportsweb: 3:06pm On Jul 16 |
kingBolton:He has a total of 8 cups mostly French League Community Shields (3 actually)😂. He lost 3 finals at Chelsea I know he lost UCL final at PSG. That's a total of 4 finals lost. These are ones I know about. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kingBolton: 3:09pm On Jul 16 |
Sportsweb:What's all this explanation, how many cup competition has he won ? Like if he had lost those matches you term community shield, you wouldn't be using it against him. 14 finals and 8 wins, if that's not a cup specialist for you, then good and fine. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Trevor012(m): 3:26pm On Jul 16 |
Heir to the throne. The God of football has sent down Jesus 🙌🙌
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ballzproblem2: 3:34pm On Jul 16 |
They said palmer has no aura
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ballzproblem2: 3:35pm On Jul 16 |
Arda guler goal deserve goal of the tournament,yamal goal was good but Arda guler own was class |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ThierryJay: 3:35pm On Jul 16 |
monerozi5590: Naah, get this straight. The aim of a football team is to win matches. You win the most matches by getting your team to score goals and preventing your opponents from scoring. Any player that contributes most to these critical success factors will be recognized as the best. A player who scores 20 goals and created 20 assists will be considered better than one who scored 25 goals with 3 assists, because the former has helped his team achieve 12 more goals than the latter. A player who consistently prevents other teams from scoring or having scoring opportunities and by so doing gives his team the platform to win most games and even trophies is often considered more effective than one who just scores goals that takes his team nowhere. The first reason is why Messi is hands down better than Pendu. The second reason is why Rodri is the Euros MVP ahead of Gbarry Kane & co and his team rarely loses when he's on the pitch. Y'all reasoning is why Ronaldo prefers to score a goal while his team loses than the other way round. The GOAT would never do that cos that can never make him the best. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 3:54pm On Jul 16 |
Ballzproblem2: I agree on this Maybe na champions tax |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 3:56pm On Jul 16 |
ThierryJay:This logic is so flawed. First of all goal and assist don't carry the same weight. An athlete with 10 gold medal and 2 silver at the Olympic is not rated lower than another with 6 gold medal and 10 silver. Have you ever seen a golden boot race were the person with lower goals but more assists is crowned as the top scorer? Your last paragraph is even more ridiculous. So Ronaldo likes to score if his team his losing, but Messi will rather not score if his team is losing. You all need to chill and spare us all these ridiculous takes on Messi and Ronaldo. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 4:11pm On Jul 16 |
raumdeuter: I expected your Captain fantastic, Morata to be in this team since he was the one that lifted the trophy unlike Declan Rice, Dovbyk, Sesko. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Capaldi: 4:14pm On Jul 16 |
Leyqute:German media is reporting he's interested in the England job. How reliable I don't know. https://www.ran.de/sports/fussball/europameisterschaft/news/bericht-thomas-tuchel-will-england-trainer-werden-405784 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by monerozi5590: 4:15pm On Jul 16 |
ThierryJay: Everything is in the post you quoted. I am tired of this argument already. How do you win match? Read my post again
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ThierryJay: 4:17pm On Jul 16 |
Kimbeast: And your first paragraph is completely flawed. The dynamics of an athlete's performance perception which is mostly individual is completely different from that of a football team. The analogy is so ridiculous. A football coach will prefer a player that gives 25 goals and 20assists to another that gives him 30 goals and 2 assists because based on the law of averages the player with the 45G/A performance will tend to create more overall success for the team than the 30-goal player. It is no coincidence that Messi has won the highest number of trophies over 895 goal Pendu because over time amidst the highs and lows, this law stands true. Top scorer is a matter of goals, but most effective player is down to overall impact. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ThierryJay: 4:21pm On Jul 16 |
monerozi5590: No there is a difference. Aim of team is not just to score goals. It's like saying aim of a company/business is just to make money. No, it is to make profits which requires you to both make money and minimize your costs. That is what propels you to be a successful and sustainable entity. For a football team, objective is both scoring goals and preventing them on the other end. That is what defines the team's success. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by monerozi5590: 4:28pm On Jul 16 |
ThierryJay: You are just going here and there. You said the aim of football is to win matches. How do you win matches. You win matches by outscoring your opponents. I have said all these in the post you quoted. I don't understand what you are saying again. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 4:35pm On Jul 16 |
ThierryJay:Football team is also down to various individuals. The analogy fits perfectly. Goals and assists are not rated in the same level of importance likewise gold and Silver in Olympic events. A football coach will pick players that are more effective for his style/ brand of play. If a coach system requires a pure goal scorer that's what he will prefer likewise a coach that wants something different willl also look for what fits his system. Another flawed logic once again. You are really having a field day. How does Harry Kane with zero trophy fits into your law of average. There's a reason Guardiola said putting the ball into the back of the net is the hardest thing In football. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:38pm On Jul 16 |
airmark: Morata lifted the trophy Sesko Dovbuk Scamaca Rice Lukaku did not lift trophy, didnt even make Team of tournament, the ones that are strikers combined scored less than Morata |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ThierryJay: 4:46pm On Jul 16 |
monerozi5590: Ok let me simplify. You said aim of football is to score goals. And my point in response is that scoring is just one part of the aim. There are other critical parts which include creation of goals and preventing your opponent from scoring. A great coach looks at all of these parts together and not just an individual scoring otherwise you'd have a case of high-scoring teams like Newcastle and Crystal Palace who languish in the lower end of the table. My point is tactical. Spain won WC 2010 with 8 goals while Germany with 11 goals crashed out of Euro 2024 QFs. If the aim was just to score goals, Germany would be considered better, yet it is not so. But the effective possession style by Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets stifled the opposition chances and gave Spain the platform to win the WC. The other point is that any player that contributes most to the success of the team's overall goals be it in goalscoring, assisting and defending or a combo of them all will be adjudged the best. It is not automatic that the player with the most goals is considered the best. It mostly is but not always. C'est fini. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ThierryJay: 4:58pm On Jul 16 |
Kimbeast: It's called an "average" law for a reason meaning there would be outliers on both sides, but for the most part the majority would fit in. There's a reason Harry Kane's case is attracting attention because it is an anomaly. For every Harry Kane, you have Messi, Pele, De Lima, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Iniesta, Xavi, Henry, Lampard, Gerard, KDB and even CR7. You really don't get it do you. To a Football coach, two goals and 3 assists means 5 goals for his team. Whether the 5 goals come from a single or multiple players is secondary. To an athletes' coach, 2 gold and 3 silver medals remain 2 gold and 3 silver medals. Big difference. Pep is right. But when you have a player who only does the hardest thing, while there is another who does both the hardest thing and the second hardest thing consistently, pray tell who would be considered more effective by this same Pep Guardiola? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by monerozi5590: 4:59pm On Jul 16 |
ThierryJay: . I have seen what I wanted. Thank you |
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