raumdeuter:


According to this report,

https://www.icirnigeria.org/about-200m-illegal-firearms-circulating-in-nigeria-gov-sani/

Uba Sani is saying 200m illegal guns dey Nigeria, assuming he's exaggerating and only half is right or even quarter that's like 50m illegal guns and you think there are no guns in Nigeria?

The only thing be say na criminals get am not law abiding citizens

Staying in relatively peaceful Lagos is a blessing

A gun for every nigerian

if we had that many illegal guns in this country most of the posters on this thread would definitely have one.

BlueRayDick:


Firstly Uba Sani was exaggerating by making a statement that is not backed with data nor quoting any security report to back his claim up.

Secondly he was actually advocating for security operatives to solve insecurity issues and not for everybody to have guns. He’s making an argument that counters yours

The guns are already in the hands of people and they are not giving it back. Recently they busted a cache of weapons in Port Harcourt,

When these criminals come, law enforcement most times will bot be there either intentionally or not

So what happens next..
In the entire north we can't even count the numbers of guns

GloriousGbola:


A gun for every nigerian

if we had that many illegal guns in this country most of the posters on this thread would definitely have one.

How many guns do you think are in circulation currently?

Ideally like BlueRayDick posted none. But in reality how many

raumdeuter:


How many guns do you think are in circulation currently?

Ideally like BlueRayDick posted none. But in reality how many

if there are 200 million guns in circulation in a nation of 200 million, then there will be areas in nigeria where guns are like pure water and everyone will have one .

raumdeuter:


How many guns do you think are in circulation currently?

Ideally like BlueRayDick posted none. But in reality how many

Baba guns are not in circulation like that. I've never in my life seen a gun physically with someone that wasn't a soldier, police or some other paramilitary, won't be the same story for someone from Southern Kaduna for example, but you get my point, the guns no dey like that.

The work involved in fixing our existing security issues is way less than the work involved in gun control in a country that's the poverty capital of the world. America's history of gun use has been in place since the founding of the country, and over the years the country has civilized itself around its use yet e still no easy for them like that with school shootings, gang violence, accidental gun deaths and all else. Now imagine what it'd be like for a country like Nigeria where our legislature is yet to make laws around some basic and obvious things, not to mention legislation then enforcement of whatever laws that'd be made around gun use.

monerozi5590:



If he goes ahead! Something that has started since August last year.

"Nigeria secures additional $925m in oil-backed loan from Afreximbank" https://punchng.com/nigeria-secures-additional-925m-in-oil-backed-loan-from-afreximbank/?amp

Then both of them are foooolish

GloriousGbola:


if there are 200 million guns in circulation in a nation of 200 million, then there will be areas in nigeria where guns are like pure water and everyone will have one .

If not 200m then how many are in circulation? Definitely not zero

raumdeuter:


If not 200m then how many are in circulation? Definitely not zero

Not zero, but not enough to push for gun rights for all and sundry.

https://www.nairaland.com/8159028/nairaland-fantasy-premier-league-2024


All FPL managers we are moving a new site

Theflint1:
Not zero, but not enough to push for gun rights for all and sundry.

Those that are on the receiving side of gun violence what should be done? Should they just wait for theor turn or intensify prayers like they've been doing since

This na weekend by Monday we go don hear of some villages wiped out like we've been hearing for most of our lives

Theflint1:
Baba guns are not in circulation like that. I've never in my life seen a gun physically with someone that wasn't a soldier, police or some other paramilitary, won't be the same story for someone from Southern Kaduna for example, but you get my point, the guns no dey like that.

The work involved in fixing our existing security issues is way less than the work involved in gun control in a country that's the poverty capital of the world. America's history of gun use has been in place since the founding of the country, and over the years the country has civilized itself around its use yet e still no easy for them like that with school shootings, gang violence, accidental gun deaths and all else. Now imagine what it'd be like for a country like Nigeria where our legislature is yet to make laws around some basic and obvious things, not to mention legislation then enforcement of whatever laws that'd be made around gun use.

That's because you've lived in areas that were peaceful. Ordinary inter communal clash, Na guns dem dey use count scores. My friends who lived Warri during the late 90s were not strange to guns
I was in OAU during the Ife Modakeke wars and saw enough.

Some of our fellow Jambite as dem bam finish na to find 3k to buy "Boulah"

There is no school where they will bust cultists and not see guns

Abi shey na covenant university you go?

raumdeuter:


Those that are on the receiving side of gun violence what should be done? Should they just wait for theor turn or intensify prayers like they've been doing since

This na weekend by Monday we go don hear of some villages wiped out like we've been hearing for most of our lives

Middle ground fit dey, something like civilian JTF is a middle ground, but then I don't see what stops the government from doing the job of protecting the citizens...Boko Haram, ISWAP and whatever else that's terrorizing people of certain parts of Nigeria is all part of government failure. The energy politicians put into suppressing reports of terrorist attacks should be channeled into providing funding and tackling the bottlenecks in the way of peace for these regions of the country where crime is now endemic.

raumdeuter:


That's because you've lived in areas that were peaceful. Ordinary inter communal clash, Na guns dem dey use count scores. My friends who lived Warri during the late 90s were not strange to guns
I was in OAU during the Ife Modakeke wars and saw enough.

Some of our fellow Jambite as dem bam finish na to find 3k to buy "Boulah"

There is no school where they will bust cultists and not see guns

Abi shey na covenant university you go?

Na UNIBEN I go, but hostel, so maybe that was why.

Ife Modakeke war has come and gone, there'd always be crime spurts but if government is doing their job of protecting citizens, we won't have violent crimes lingering. Countries in Europe, even Ghana for backyard here where they experience peace without democratizing gun use no get two heads, it's work that was put into creating and maintaining the peace they enjoy, let's put in that work and we sef would enjoy peace.

America that's gun crazy still has some of the best police force in the world, democratizing gun use is not the solution to state failure.

Akwa Ibom State finished 2022 with a N241 billion surplus and a total of N55 billion in cash sitting in bank balances. The state is able to meet all of its debt and operational obligations with N146 billion to spare.

So imagine being a governor sitting with all this cash and no real pressure from the people who never take you to task for implementing <80% of the budget consistently, even when a lot of that spending is on making government officials more comfortable and oiling the patronage system. I followed PUE closely in his campaign and he doesn't believe all those statistics of 71% in multidimensional poverty. He likely believes, like many of us do, that poverty is the natural station for some people and has nothing to do with government failure.

In any case, the incentive then becomes to spend more on oiling the political machine that keeps the people in check and quiet. And of course, corner a good chunk of the money for yourself and your cronies via expensive projects. That's how you get Hensek building more and more roads, VKS involved in multiple billion naira projects, and a tower in Lagos to be built by a contractor with an existing govt project in Uyo. Whatever happened to competitive bidding?

Akwa Ibom has plenty money, the people need selfless leaders to emerge who can figure out how to pressure the government to spend that money on the masses. https://twitter.com/docneto/status/1814034991036440770?t=zLw1kuKFBE3XqFtyp2L6kQ&s=19
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