SIRTee15:


The problem I have with your likes is u don't bri g evidence for your claims or u can't successfully defend the wack evidence u bring.

U claim Jesus doesnt exist. I've had this discussion with your fellow Jews and atheist. Once u present irrefutable evidence of historicity of Jesus they gas out.
They can't counter it. They simply run away, hide for a while then come out to produce another useless thread about non existent of jesus.

U love believing in your delusion. It's like a steroid needed to validate your own religion.
U know why? because without Christianity, both Islam and judaism will be regarded as occultic sect and likely banned in some communities.
So it's important u badmouth Christianity to give credibility to what u worship.

Until Jesus arrived on the scene, the god of the Jews was regarded as a violent bloodthirsty deity who delights in genocide and mass killing. He wasn't popular at all.

Jesus who is God in human flesh came and made it clear that God is full of grace and mercy. He is a loving God who desires to restore humanity back to his lost glory. The Constitution given to the ancient Israelites was due to their evil hearts.

If there was no Jesus and no new testament, I would regard those who follow the tanakh as crazy and psychotic people to believe in a violent and murderous god. Even Jews would have abandoned the religion by now.

But of course u and other Judaism followers can run your mouth because of Jesus Christ.
Know this and let it stick to your skull, the only reason u can proudly declare u are a judaism adherent is because of Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ, your religion would be regarded as occultic and pagan. It would be no different from amadioha worshippers.

So every morning b4 u enter into your Jewish religion, first thank God for sending Jesus Christ because without him there would have been no hope even for u in Judaism.

Where is the proof that he actually existed?

When you ask them to provide proof that Jesus is the messiah from the Tanakh, they would be quoting isaiah 7 and 53 and run away but on proper scrutiny those passages are not even saying what the y think it is saying.

Ask them to come and learn ....they would still hang on to idolatry, worshipping a man as God. After God has warned them no to make the image or likeness of anything in heaven ,on earth or under the waters below the earth..."Do not bow down to them or serve them"..

Christians won't here...

sonmvayina:

They might be...
They are also in JW organisation....so why the so much hammering on a performing group.
You see why I say it is better to be by yourself and obey God's law rather than be part of a group that worships an idol...
So who would pass "Gods test"? Between me and you?

There's no God's test all what the Bible say is a global family of peace loving worshipers doing God's will! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If you're among them i will acknowledge you but if not then your god is not my God!

MaxInDHouse:


There's no God's test all what the Bible say is a global family of peace loving worshipers doing God's will! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If you're among them i will acknowledge you but if not then your god is not my God!

Lol...

Is the JW a performing group?

Do they obey God's divine laws

Are there pedophiles in JW..

sonmvayina:

Lol...
Is the JW a performing group?
Do they obey God's divine laws
Are there pedophiles in JW..

Were there pedophiles among God's people in ancient times?
YES or NO?

You're just stupid because there was never any law forbidding pedophilia in the Torah!

So instead of faithless arguments use your brain!

SIRTee15:


I'm not talking about God's law. I'm talking specifically about mosaic law.
Did Abraham obey the mosaic law.

U people are just jumping into this conversation and giving unnecessary expo

Let that Muslim guy come here and answer the question. Let him answer so I can use him to clean gutter.

Open another thread about the new testament if U have a problem with it. Pls don't derail this thread.

I created this thread sometimes ago, I think it will be sufficient for us to discuss the importance of the new testament or not.
Since Jesus is the principal figure in the Christian scriptures, it will suffice for us to discuss his importance to anybody..

Thank you..
FYI you can read my initial post on this thread.

MaxInDHouse:


Were there pedophiles among God's people in ancient times?
YES or NO?

You're just stupid because there was never any law forbidding pedophilia in the Torah!

So instead of faithless arguments use your brain!

Really no law against pedophiles in Judaism...
I don't really know your specific kind of stupid, but I admire your commitment to it...

MaxInDHouse:


There's no God's test all what the Bible say is a global family of peace loving worshipers doing God's will! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If you're among them i will acknowledge you but if not then your god is not my God!

Who is your God?
Taz Russel I guess or the GB in Pennsylvania...

sonmvayina:

Who is your God?

The one who promised that imperfect humans will settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop the production, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Today you're reading what the Israelites wrote concerning the activities of their forefathers as they were being directed by a God but today you can't just think of a people who are doing something similar yet you want to argue that you're worshiping that same God who organized His worshipers back then!

sonmvayina:


Really no law against pedophiles in Judaism...
I don't really know your specific kind of stupid, but I admire your commitment to it...

Please quote the commandment found in the Torah that's against pedophilia in ancient Israel.

MaxInDHouse:


The one who promised that imperfect humans will settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop the production, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Today you're reading what the Israelites wrote concerning the activities of their forefathers as they were being directed by a God but today you can't just think of a people who are doing something similar yet you want to argue that you're worshiping that same God who organized His worshipers back then!

He gave a commandment that his followers should keep..
You are not keeping them , how are you following him again...?
He gave the Jews his laws and they are supposed to be a light to the nations ..

You are disobeying the laws ...just exactly do you belong to him?

sonmvayina:

He gave a commandment that his followers should keep..
You are not keeping them , how are you following him again...?
He gave the Jews his laws and they are supposed to be a light to the nations ..
You are disobeying the laws ...just exactly do you belong to him?

LAWS?

Ọmọ what is the purpose of law?

I think that's where your problem is hiding from you because there's no need for laws if only one person exists in a place but it's when people are many that laws comes to mind and it's to help people cohabit peacefully so there's no sense in laws or commandments where the inhabitants can't cohabit peacefully!

MaxInDHouse:


LAWS?

Ọmọ what is the purpose of law?

I think that's where your problem is hiding from you because there's no need for laws if only one person exists in a place but it's when people are many that laws comes to mind and it's to help people cohabit peacefully so there's no sense in laws or commandments where the inhabitants can't cohabit peacefully!

Just tell me how people can live in peace without laws?

Those laws are the laws of existence, as long as you are a human being, you must keep them.
They are the rules of the game...

You don't get to the highest level of the game without keeping them..

So if you neglect them, you ain't started .

I sincerely doubt if you have read Genesis to Deuteronomy. Have you ?

sonmvayina:

Just tell me how people can live in peace without laws?

So if you find people living peacefully without picking up weapons against one another then they surely have laws guiding them but it's you who is deluded to the point of grasping that there is no way such could be possible without laws guiding them!

Your problem is seeing others as wrong when you failed to see your own folly!

MaxInDHouse:


So if you find people living peacefully without picking up weapons against one another then they surely have laws guiding them but it's you who is deluded to the point of grasping that there is no way such could be possible without laws guiding them!

So you mean they have been brainwashed by GB not to take up arms.

And why are they not taking up arms?

MaxInDHouse:
Your problem is seeing others as wrong when you failed to see your own folly!

This applies to you..not me

MaxInDHouse:
All humans do grow old, get sick and expire.
This is not how God planned it from the beginning because He said "let us create man in our own image" {Genesis 1:26} animals don't have the thought of living forever because they live on instinct but as for humans those created in the likeness of God He (God) has put eternity into their minds!

He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish! Ecclesiastes 3:11

So no human with sound health, youthful vigor, the good things of life and living in a peaceful atmosphere will welcome the thought of death.

That's the way God wants us to live forever.

But Adamic sin brought oldage, sickness and death. So anyone who wants to regain what God planned from the beginning only need to switch over from being Adam's descendants to that Jesus' descendants.
Adam became our father through BLOOD as we are all his biological children {Romans 5:12} so Jesus must repossess those who want to live forever with his own BLOOD {1Corinthians 15:45} by pouring out his human life (blood) to become our EVERLASTING FATHER {Isaiah 9:6} unlike Adam who transfer death to his own children Jesus' blood will give us life everlasting! John 3:16

Therefore when God's Kingdom comes whoever is not ready to obey Jesus will surely be exterminated! Luke 19:27

Absolutely correct and 100% scriptural.

Take note, if you preach the true Word of God as it is without saying what the Bible does not say, I would not have any reason to counter you.

To further support what you just said above, the Scriptures say:

John 5:35-40 (Jesus Speaking)
"You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life."

Leviticus 17:11
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

1 Corinthians 15:45:"
In fact, the Tanakh says so: Adam, the first man, became a living human being; but the last “Adam” (Jesus} has become a life-giving Spirit."

Isaiah 53:10
" [b]Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: WHEN THOU SHALT MAKE HIS SOUL AN OFFERING FOR SIN, HE SHALL SEE HIS GENERATION , he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."

sonmvayina:
Christians believe that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin and that one who does not have a blood sacrifice will die in their sins and go to hell. For Christians, the ultimate and only blood sacrifice that counts with God came in the death of Jesus. Christianity believes that if one does not accept the death of Jesus as one’s blood sacrifice, then one is condemned to an eternity enduring the punishments of hell.

In Judaism the centrality of the animal sacrifices ceased, not with the second destruction of the Temple by the Romans, but rather with the first destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians. One must keep in mind that the vast majority of Jews never returned to the Promised Land under Cyrus of Persia. They remained in Babylonia. By the time Jesus was said to have been born, eighty percent of the world’s Jewish community lived outside the Promised Land, and did not care about the cessation of animal sacrifices. When the Temple was reestablished, the Jews of Babylonia made an annual financial gift for the maintenance of the Temple and the land, but never worried that God would not forgive them their sins without a blood sacrifice (much as Jews all over the world do today). They had no such fear because the Bible makes it explicitly clear that no blood sacrifice is necessary for the forgiveness of sins. The Bible also makes it clear that an animal sacrifice is not the exclusive means of obtaining forgiveness.

You submissions are incorrect. The scripture says;

Hebrews 9:22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION.

Let this point above sink into your head first.

Read the verses that followed;

Hebrews 9:23-26.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he APPEARED TO PUT
AWAY SIN BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF.

So, where did you get your revelation.

Let me tell you something about the Jews you don't know. The majority of them are hell bound. In fact, the present race of Jews have been cut off from God and they are all in a state of spiritual blindness.

This is why Isaiah wrote;

Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

You see how Isaiah likened them to Sodom and Gomorrah. What differentiate them from Sodom and Gomorrah is because of the remnant reserved for salvation. And that will happen in future.

Apostle Paul made reference to this when he wrote;

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And he revealed when it will happen;

Romans 11:25-26
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The phrase, all Israel shall be saved refers to the remnant that will be alive during that period.

sonmvayina:

So you mean they have been brainwashed by GB not to take up arms.
And why are they not taking up arms?

Surely if you have lived during the time of the Elders in Israel you would be one of the rebels against God's organized people asserting they are brainwashing the people.
God's people are not taking up arms today because He promised to write His laws in their hearts unlike the Torah you're quoting which is not applicable anywhere again today not even in Israel where it was formally their constitution {Jeremiah 31:31-34} and with that all those having God's laws in their hearts knew that they shouldn't pick up arms against their neighbours most especially their fellow worshipers of the true God {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} they are globally speaking the same language of PEACE! Zephaniah 3:9

FxMasterz:

Absolutely correct and 100% scriptural.
Take note, if you preach the true Word of God as it is without saying what the Bible does not say, I would not have any reason to counter you.

You're not serious walahi talahi.
Ṣebi you said we have part ways and if i don't quote you it's over between us?
Well let me tell you that all those speaking of my comments as if they've seen something really strange knows exactly what they are saying:

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:

MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:

Please, Tell Him.
Wiser One.
I hope they learn someday that their ways are not TRUE.
Their Eyes Are Closed.

Questionnaires:

There's Alot of Sense in What You Wrote.
Now; How Does The JW Prefer And Advise We Run A Country Like Nigeria ?

Questionnaires:

I want to.
You can let me know.

Questionnaires:

Surprisingly And Truthfully;
It's A Honour For You, King.
I'm Positioning Myself To Help Provide A Meeting Point For All Humanity. That We Should Love Our Neighbours As We Love Ourselves.
This Alone - Is The Greatest Treat For Humanity.

Questionnaires:

You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

CJStarz:

Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:

Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Mayflowa:

Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

You've been deceiving yourself all these while supporting the generation of the fifth brothers of the rich man in Jesus' illustration of Lazarus. Luke 16:28
https://www.nairaland.com/8153138/five-brothers-rich-man-know

Well whether you like it or not only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION taught by the GOVERNING BODY has these things and no other religion as in no single religion call it whatever name you want has what i'm teaching here apart from the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.

So it's better you stay on your lane if you want to oppose God's only organization today!

YOU'RE JUST A SONABABEAST.


ORISA37
AND AN ATHEIST.

MaxInDHouse:


Surely if you have lived during the time of the Elders in Israel you would be one of the rebels against God's organized people asserting they are brainwashing the people.
God's people are not taking up arms today because He promised to write His laws in their hearts unlike the Torah you're quoting which is not applicable anywhere again today not even in Israel where it was formally their constitution {Jeremiah 31:31-34} and with that all those having God's laws in their hearts knew that they shouldn't pick up arms against their neighbours most especially their fellow worshipers of the true God {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} they are globally speaking the same language of PEACE! Zephaniah 3:9

Who wrote the laws in their heart?
God or GB?

IF it is God you will shorn any form of idolatry which Jesus represent..and by extension.. Christianity.

Like I always tell you. You can't be of God and you are breaking his commandments and claim you are in a performing group..those not make sense.
Better be by yourself and keep the laws...

Ken4Christ:


You submissions are incorrect. The scripture says;

Hebrews 9:22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION.

Let this point above sink into your head first.

Read the verses that followed;

Hebrews 9:23-26.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he APPEARED TO PUT
AWAY SIN BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF.

So, where did you get your revelation.

Let me tell you something about the Jews you don't know. The majority of them are hell bound. In fact, the present race of Jews have been cut off from God and they are all in a state of spiritual blindness.

This is why Isaiah wrote;

Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

You see how Isaiah likened them to Sodom and Gomorrah. What differentiate them from Sodom and Gomorrah is because of the remnant reserved for salvation. And that will happen in future.

Apostle Paul made reference to this when he wrote;

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And he revealed when it will happen;

Romans 11:25-26
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The phrase, all Israel shall be saved refers to the remnant that will be alive during that period.

You have proved my point.
All your quote are from the Christian scriptures. Like I said, it is a Christian belief. It got nothing to do with African traditional religion and Judaism.
We don't believe in human sacrifice, it is demonic to kill a human for sacrifice...
All God requires is a contrite heart Psalm 50/51. See 2nd chronicles 7:14.

MaxInDHouse:

You're not serious walahi talahi.
Ṣebi you said we have part ways and if i don't quote you it's over between us?
Well let me tell you that all those speaking of my comments as if they've seen something really strange knows exactly what they are saying:

You've been deceiving yourself all these while supporting the generation of the fifth brothers of the rich man in Jesus' illustration of Lazarus. Luke 16:28
https://www.nairaland.com/8153138/five-brothers-rich-man-know

Well whether you like it or not only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION taught by the GOVERNING BODY has these things and no other religion as in no single religion call it whatever name you want has what i'm teaching here apart from the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.

So it's better you stay on your lane if you want to oppose God's only organization today!

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sonmvayina:

Who wrote the laws in their heart?
God or GB? IF it is God you will shorn any form of idolatry which Jesus represent..and by extension.. Christianity. Like I always tell you. You can't be of God and you are breaking his commandments and claim you are in a performing group..those not make sense.
Better be by yourself and keep the laws...

If not Moses who stood as mediator did God read the laws into the hearing of all Israelites?

Guy people transferred the laws to people just as Moses taught the Israelites God's laws the same way Jesus and his representatives taught us God's laws.

Once you don't relate with anyone then the laws makes no practical sense the only purpose of the law is for us to relate peacefully with our neighbors and that the GOVERNING BODY has achieved among Jehovah's Witnesses!

naturefellow:
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If you need further clarification ask {Matthew 7:7} but if you don't it's OK!

MaxInDHouse:


If not Moses who stood as mediator did God read the laws into the hearing of all Israelites?

Guy people transferred the laws to people just as Moses taught the Israelites God's laws the same way Jesus and his representatives taught us God's laws.

Once you don't relate with anyone then the laws makes no practical sense the only purpose of the law is for us to relate peacefully with our neighbors and that the GOVERNING BODY has achieved among Jehovah's Witnesses!

But people had shown here that Jesus never existed...that is my point.

sonmvayina:

But people had shown here that Jesus never existed...that is my point.

A global organization of peace loving people {Isaiah 2:2-4} is undeniable proof that Jesus who is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} as living WITNESSES of Jesus {Act 1:8} so you and all your cohorts are wrong if a global family of peace loving worshipers could suffice in a divided world filled with violence!

MaxInDHouse:


A global organization of peace loving people {Isaiah 2:2-4} is undeniable proof that Jesus Allah who is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} as living WITNESSES of JesusAllah {Act 1:8} so you and all your cohorts are wrong if a global family of peace loving worshipers could suffice in a divided world filled with violence!

Anybody can fly..

When you take passages out of context..

You end up as a sheepie of the GB

sonmvayina:

Anybody can fly..
When you take passages out of context..
You end up as a sheepie of the GB

This is really funny walahi talahi!

Ọmọ your stupidity knows no bound!

For your information i was a Muslim from my childhood so i can confidently tell you that there are many religious groups claiming they are Muslims with different doctrines just as those claiming Christians but there is no single group in Islam that fits into the description you are reading in that Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 in fact no religion on planet earth fits in except Jehovah's Witnesses.

Read it again and again:

"God promised that in the final part of the days people from all the geographical locations on this planet will find their way into one religious group and they will use what they found in the Bible to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into the production of food and information materials stop the production, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against their neighbours"

Apart from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES you can never ever find another religion that (perfectly) fits into that description, NEVER!

MaxInDHouse:


This is really funny walahi talahi!

Ọmọ your stupidity knows no bound!

For your information i was a Muslim from my childhood so i can confidently tell you that there are many religious groups claiming they are Muslims with different doctrines just as those claiming Christians but there is no single group in Islam that fits into the description you are reading in that Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 in fact no religion on planet earth fits in except Jehovah's Witnesses.

Read it again and again:

"God promised that in the final part of the days people from all the geographical locations on this planet will find their way into one religious group and they will use what they found in the Bible to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into the production of food and information materials stop the production, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against their neighbours"

Apart from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES you can never ever find another religion that (perfectly) fits into that description, NEVER!

Which God..

The one you are breaking his commandments
Or the one created by Taze Russell?

sonmvayina:

Which God..
The one you are breaking his commandments
Or the one created by Taze Russell?

The title "GOD" connotes SUPREME BEING you can't deny the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses are excellently doing the will of God as found written in the Bible so if you think their GOD was created yet the worshipers are fulfilling what the Bible God promised long ago then your own god who can't do anything is DEAD! Psalms 115:4-8

For your information the other guy i shunned has also been blinded by hatred for truth just as you're blinded right now.
GOD is a spirit that you can't see so the only evidence of His existence is the activities of His worshipers which must be in line with His purpose for mankind.

Several times you have acknowledged that i'm a competent student of the scriptures but your problem is the source of my knowledge which is through the Bible God - Jesus of Nazareth - his Jewish disciples - Governing Body and Jehovah's Witnesses.

You just want me to cut of Jesus, his disciples, Governing Body and Jehovah's Witnesses so that i can stand as if the knowledge came from tin air the same thing is affecting the other guy but he welcome two more factors which is Jesus and his disciples but the rest he despises with contempt, you guys are not different from atheists who acknowledged that humans like them are intelligent but keep despising the source of life God for reasons best known to them.

So whether you like it or not all your gods are useless and worthless if there is no evidence of it's existence other than what is found written in books because anyone can write books and claim it's inspired but only the true God can make a promise and actualize it within His worshipers not by might or military forces! Zechariah 4:6