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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:55pm On Jul 21
zicky:
Elder goodjoe you just in your usual manner dancing around like an Ekpo masquerade. Few pages back you wanted Majtahida to answer your question but now you are avoiding this one, #hypocrisy

I have answered. Better is subjective to views. The question is also devoid of the point. The point is accepting a system is superior by parking bus against it and trying to downplay it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:56pm On Jul 21
Amedino99:
what's the use of their tactical astuteness if they can't beat him?

We beat Ancelotti last two seasons, knocked them out of the Champions League and beat them 4-0 in a game. So I wonder where you got can't beat him. Real Madrid won by penalties, that is not equivalent to beating.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 5:10pm On Jul 21
Xavi grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Hanibal(m): 5:37pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


Ancelotti is not a parked bus coach, so your analogy is flawed. Park bus is not style but an accept that you are going against a better opponent.

Who made the rule that "defensive low block" and counter attacking derogatorily referred to as "park the bus" is not a style of play/tactics?

Who made the rule/law? You? Guardiola?
What substantiates this your assertion?
Some of us enjoy the style... We Chelsea fans of old, does that make us less of football fans?

Baba just rest, nor be everybody go embrace tikitaka or whatever robotic style Guardiola and his goons love.... This (tikitaka) too shall pass.

On a serious note; I'm beginning to suspect Komekn has hacked your account... Because the way you take dey argue certain positions these days is unlike you... Just shifting goal post everywhere
Someone should please check on this baba

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 6:02pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


We beat Ancelotti last two seasons, knocked them out of the Champions League and beat them 4-0 in a game. So I wonder where you got can't beat him. Real Madrid won by penalties, that is not equivalent to beating.
why did you stop at 2 seasons ago? What about what happened 3 seasons ago in the semi final?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 6:07pm On Jul 21
Kog45:
Oya tell us with this stats how Real Madrid park the bus cuz a 5 times champion league coach lack tactics to beat special made Pep who spent billions for him to win champions league after 12 years since he left Barcelona….3 years in Bayern he failed and took him years to win it for man city but here you are talking about parking bus.
This version of TheGoodJoe no get talk.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 6:21pm On Jul 21
kennysville:
My advice to TheGoodJoe is to choose his arguments wisely. Being right and doing the right thing are 2 different things. When I read your arguments in here it kinda makes one want to question what happened to the original GoodJoe?

If I am to go by your line of arguments regarding parking of bus, I'd say same can be said of Man City that they always play tiki taka that's why they win most of their games. One could argue also that if they played park the bus system, they would also lose their games.... Gerrit bruh?

Having said that, I will agree with Kog45 that Carlo Ancelotti won because he had a better tactic. The reason a snake charmer can handle snakes is because they have anti venom. If not ... na die
We need our old version of TheGoodJoe back.

This intensity modern version of TheGoodJoe is always off the mark.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 6:43pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


You have known me for years. I am not one to tune to popularity terms. My point have never changed.

From Di Matteo, Mourinho, Rohr, Peseiro etc. When you are parking bus against a team, you do it most times because yiu feel they are better than you and that is your only option to HOPE to win.

My stand has not changed for years.

Park Bus can win games against better side but can not make you play better than a better side.

Ancelotti chose to park bus because he was up against a better side. Leave win or lose. The point he was up against a better side.

So talking against over information given to forwards as if it is bad is hypocritical when he parked bus against a better side that came from it.

Finito.
What is the ultimate purpose of this game?

For me is to win championships or tournaments like WC,CL,EURO,AFCON etc. as many as u can.
And to achieve any of these,u need to win games, and to win games,u need a strategy or tactics that works for u.
What makes your strategy superior is the results.

Ancelotti has achieved his ultimate goal.
All other things like who played better does not matter when the ultimate purpose have been achieved.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 7:07pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


Also, I have never been a popular choice. It is just that a lot of times I am proven right. I have been attacked for believing Guardiola will succeed in the EPL. I have been attacked for saying Mikel was a high grade player. I have been attacked for saying Mourinho was sliding down the coaching ladder.

Just with time, I get proven right and people quietly note that I was right.
Yeah you are always right. Good job sir.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:51pm On Jul 21
Napoleon55:

What is the ultimate purpose of this game?

For me is to win championships or tournaments like WC,CL,EURO,AFCON etc. as many as u can.
And to achieve any of these,u need to win games, and to win games,u need a strategy or tactics that works for u.
What makes your strategy superior is the results.

Ancelotti has achieved his ultimate goal.
All other things like who played better does not matter when the ultimate purpose have been achieved.


I did not argue with that notion in any way in my post. I said Ancelotti parked bus to win a game against a better side. Ancelotti is talking about coaching and I said he is not in the position to criticize the modern coaches when he decided to park bus to win against it.

The point is simple. It is not about win or lose. It is about coaching a team to be better. If he chose to park bus against a modern system, it means the coaching system was superior to what he offered.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 9:13pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


I did not argue with that notion in any way in my post. I said Ancelotti parked bus to win a game against a better side. Ancelotti is talking about coaching and I said he is not in the position to criticize the modern coaches when he decided to park bus to win against it.

The point is simple. It is not about win or lose. It is about coaching a team to be better. If he chose to park bus against a modern system, it means the coaching system was superior to what he offered.

Finito.
Pls tell us what is modern system in today’s football? So football is not about winning or losing but coaching a team better….Ancelotti that won La liga and champions league is not coaching Real Madrid better or what are you talking about
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:40pm On Jul 21
Kog45:
Pls tell us what is modern system in today’s football? So football is not about winning or losing but coaching a team better….Ancelotti that won La liga and champions league is not coaching Real Madrid better or what are you talking about

My point is very simple. When Ancelotti chose to park bus against the system, he accepted the superiority of the modern game. So it is hypocritical to condemn it after accepting its superiority.

The point is simple.

It is not Ancelotti is a park bus coach.

It is not that Ancelotti has not won trophies.

It is not Ancelotti is not a sound tactical coach.

It is about Ancelotti accepting how superior the system is and deciding to park bus against it. Then trying to criticize it is hypocritical.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:45pm On Jul 21
Kog45:
Pls tell us what is modern system in today’s football? So football is not about winning or losing but coaching a team better….Ancelotti that won La liga and champions league is not coaching Real Madrid better or what are you talking about

Ancelotti himself accepted that the only way he could win Manchester City was to Park Bus. That is, he accepted he can't go toe to toe with them. He could only defend and hope to win.

So what is he talking that the modern coaches are over coaching.

Heck, he said you can't win without parking the bus.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 10:00pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


My point is very simple. When Ancelotti chose to park bus against the system, he accepted the superiority of the modern game. So it is hypocritical to condemn it after accepting its superiority.

The point is simple.

It is not Ancelotti is a park bus coach.

It is not that Ancelotti has not won trophies.

It is not Ancelotti is not a sound tactical coach.

It is about Ancelotti accepting how superior the system is and deciding to park bus against it. Then trying to criticize it is hypocritical.
And how does parking the bus made your team superior? I mean logically, whichever team that wins a match is the superior team.

So I ask, how does the fact that a team parked the bus made them inferior? Back it up with valid facts please.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by akwesenana: 10:00pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


I did not argue with that notion in any way in my post. I said Ancelotti parked bus to win a game against a better side. Ancelotti is talking about coaching and I said he is not in the position to criticize the modern coaches when he decided to park bus to win against it.

The point is simple. It is not about win or lose. It is about coaching a team to be better. If he chose to park bus against a modern system, it means the coaching system was superior to what he offered.

Finito.
If the system was superior to his, why didn't it prevail against his?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 10:02pm On Jul 21
Hanibal:


I still struggle to understand your logic really....

You're an expert at Taekwondo, I'm an expert at wrestling.... We got pitched against each other, I won using my style, you lost using your style.

Then you start complaining that I should have fought you using Taekwondo if I was really sure of myself undecided

Make it make sense please.... If your style is that good, you should be able to beat me regardless of the style I adopt na undecided
Thegoodjoe. Here is a simple illustration. What do you have to say about the example cited here?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 10:03pm On Jul 21
akwesenana:
If the system was superior to his, why didn't it prevail against his?
Brilliant question!!! I can bet he won't answer. He will try to dribble as usual

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:19pm On Jul 21
akwesenana:
If the system was superior to his, why didn't it prevail against his?


I have seen Super teams get beaten by very weak teams. So this point is flawed.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:21pm On Jul 21
mostob:
And how does parking the bus made your team superior? I mean logically, whichever team that wins a match is the superior team.

So I ask, how does the fact that a team parked the bus made them inferior? Back it up with valid facts please.

I wonder where you get the analogy. So if Preston beats Manchester United by parking bus, they are a superior team. How does that sound logical?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by akwesenana: 10:23pm On Jul 21
mostob:
Brilliant question!!! I can bet he won't answer. He will try to dribble as usual
Lol, he'll prefer to "pass round aimlessly"

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by akwesenana: 10:29pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


I have seen Super teams get beaten by very weak teams. So this point is flawed.
Yeah, true. This happens once in a while not regularly.

What do you have to say about this "superior system" being knocked out twice in 3 years by this "inferior" system?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 10:30pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


The point is not Tiki Taka being the best but Ancelotti criticizing modern approach but parking bus against it. Parking bus means accepting their superiority.
oga you never still mentioned the more tactically astute coaches to Ancelotti, you just keep screaming 😱 he park the bus against man city as if it's an offense in football.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by akwesenana: 10:31pm On Jul 21
Ancellotti's pragmatism is what has kept him in the highest echelons of coaching for so long, ability to adjust your tactics with each opponent, instead of blindly sticking to one tactics even when it isn't working.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 10:34pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


I have answered. Better is subjective to views. The question is also devoid of the point. The point is accepting a system is superior by parking bus against it and trying to downplay it.
oga mi that the point you made, you said yourself, that modern coaches are more tactically astute than Ancelotti. And at no time did I argue that with you, I only said mentioned the coaches shikina.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 10:38pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


My point is very simple. When Ancelotti chose to park bus against the system, he accepted the superiority of the modern game. So it is hypocritical to condemn it after accepting its superiority.

The point is simple.

It is not Ancelotti is a park bus coach.

It is not that Ancelotti has not won trophies.

It is not Ancelotti is not a sound tactical coach.

It is about Ancelotti accepting how superior the system is and deciding to park bus against it. Then trying to criticize it is hypocritical.

You admit Ancelotti is a tactical coach & not a park
the bus coach and the man is saying "the way I play o I don't stifle creativity in my team".

How does that have anything to do with the other system being tactically superior?

It is just your compulsive argument syndrome worrying you.

A coach with the most UCL trophy! Wetin you know sef wey make you arrogant like this

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 10:41pm On Jul 21
TheGoodJoe:


We beat Ancelotti last two seasons, knocked them out of the Champions League and beat them 4-0 in a game. So I wonder where you got can't beat him. Real Madrid won by penalties, that is not equivalent to beating.
Oga Ancelotti real Madrid has beaten Guardiola Bayern 4-0 also, also beaten Guardiola man city 3-1 so leave that talk of we beat them last season.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 10:43pm On Jul 21
The same Ancelotti that resoundingly trounced Pep at Bayern 5-0 agg.

Who sent him packing 3 seasons ago (fun fact: it is this same freedom he is talking about that Rodrygo took advantage of that day)

But selective amnesia only wants to talk about 2 seasons ago and emotive bias says why did he defend.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 10:44pm On Jul 21
Is there any update about Nacho's new club? Ever since he was released there have been little to no reports on his movement so far.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 10:51pm On Jul 21
Amedino99:
Is there any update about Nacho's new club? Ever since he was released there have been little to no reports on his movement so far.
Aston Villa want to sign him as Jhon Duran’s replacement but hv to sell the player first before bringing him in
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 10:52pm On Jul 21
Odunayaw:


You admit Ancelotti is a tactical coach & not a park
the bus coach and the man is saying "the way I play o I don't stifle creativity in my team".

How does that have anything to do with the other system being tactically superior?

It is just your compulsive argument syndrome worrying you.

A coach with the most UCL trophy! Wetin you know sef wey make you arrogant like this
Even yum yum fc he can never coach, but we should take your knowledge of the game as more superior to one of the most successful coaches

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:57pm On Jul 21
zicky:
Oga Ancelotti real Madrid has beaten Guardiola Bayern 4-0 also, also beaten Guardiola man city 3-1 so leave that talk of we beat them last season.

But Guardiola did not park bus. Also, there is a back story behind Guardiola's Bayern los. There was a fall out in camp and the Bayern players chose not to play with Pep's tactics and it backfired. Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:59pm On Jul 21
Odunayaw:


You admit Ancelotti is a tactical coach & not a park
the bus coach and the man is saying "the way I play o I don't stifle creativity in my team".

How does that have anything to do with the other system being tactically superior?

It is just your compulsive argument syndrome worrying you.

A coach with the most UCL trophy! Wetin you know sef wey make you arrogant like this

If my memory serves right, Ancelotti said the problem with modern coaches. I disagree with the notion especially when it overwhelmed him and he parked bus against it.

With all the trophies, he chose to park bus. A coach that is not a park bus coach.

Finito.

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