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Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 10:47am On Jul 22 |
The three oldest manuscripts of the Qurans are 1. Birmingham Quran Manuscript Year Written: c.568 AD – 645 AD The Birmingham Quran Manuscript contains parts of Surah 18 (Al-Kahf), Surah 19 (Maryam), and Surah 20 (Ta-Ha). The manuscript is comprised of two parchment leaves and includes text from these specific surahs. 2. Tübingen Fragment Year Written: c. 649 AD – 675 AD The Tubingen Quran contains portions of 11 surahs. 3. Sana’a Manuscript Year Written: c.671 AD The Sana’a manuscript includes fragments and parts of approximately 40 different surahs. The lower text (the original writing that was later erased and overwritten) of the palimpsest contains fragments from several surahs, while the upper text (the later writing) also includes portions of many surahs. The top Quran was dated to the late 7th century to early 8th century while the lower original text which was overwritten was about 671 AD. Work on restoration and translation of the lower Quran texts were done in five Universities Albrecht Noth (University of Hamburg) Gerd R. Puin (University of Saarland) Hans-Caspar Graf von Bothmer (University of Saarland) Behnam Sadeghi (Professor of Islamic Studies at Stanford University) and Mohsen Goudarzi (PhD student at Harvard University). A detailed narrative of the history and DIFFERENCES found can be found in the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanaa_manuscript Muslims have always insisted that there is no iota of differences between the Quran of Mohammed and the current Quran that we currently use (the Hafs Quran) I am going to present evidences from the TRANSLATION according to the team at Stanford University without saying much on them (afterall, I am not an Arabic scholar) Question: 1. Which one of the current Quran is the Quran of Allah on the tablet in heaven? 2. How come the Sanaa Quran is different from the standard Qurans in many verses? 3. Why did Muslim scholars tell white lies on the preservation of the Quran? All my Friends on Nairaland: LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, aekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, atsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana , compton11, Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , SWATMan rolams aheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood , Flanker , Raheeqilmaktoom , rolams ,honesttalk21 , Negroid001 , Nvestor02 , Coolsat, iamrealdeji madridguy Almunjid MohammadSAW , STRI1 Explore2xmore satmaniac Ohyoudidnt , 4islam ThatFairGuy1 BroOptimist. Bakrabas. Musa95 Ibrahimlagosian Explore2xmore DuaWorrior hakeemhakeem ItsReal correctguy101 Qasim6 youngdroly Bliss52 Qasim6 truthday Almunjid hayzedibd ahmedio2017 Ahmadusmanu Harnny cc: MightySparrow SIRTee15 ANTIlSLAM innotutorial FxMasterz advocatejare 4 Likes |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 10:48am On Jul 22 |
Quran 2:196
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Quran 63:3
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Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 11:06am On Jul 22 |
Here is a Tabulated list of differences as compiled by www.wikiislam.com on the sanaa manuscript
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Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 11:15am On Jul 22 |
Mr Ohyoudidnt , As promised. the table is set. There are no way textual variants do not occur when manuscripts are copied manually, sometimes you have word omission, word addition, word interjection, word substitutions etc. Why did the islamic scholars have to tell such blatant lies to the Muslims and everyone else that the Quran is perfectly preserved upt to the diacritical marks? And this is just comparing the Hafs Quran with the existing copy of the Sanaa Quran. |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 3:53pm On Jul 22 |
Mr Ohyoudidnt, This thread has been open for you since morning for you o: I can understand that other Muslims will run away from this eye opener but it seems you forgot you were the one who gave the challenge to me or are you scared too? 1 Like |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by Everyday247: 3:58pm On Jul 22 |
TenQ:Dey very careful oh. |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 4:02pm On Jul 22 |
Everyday247:Who wouldn't die one day? The lies of Islam are just too much: now, they have convinced themselves that the lies are reality 1 Like |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by Everyday247: 4:05pm On Jul 22 |
TenQ:But it's kinda strange how they will be criticizing Christianity and then recommending a more brutal alternative.😕 |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by Ohyoudidnt: 4:18pm On Jul 22 |
Indeed I am just noticing this on seeing Everyday247s mention. In due course it will be addressed once you confirm that discussions are completed at TenQ: You will notice I have only responded to a part of your response in a bid to clarify your misunderstanding the hadith and Quran verses in context regarding reference to former scripture. |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 4:20pm On Jul 22 |
Everyday247:The major problem of Islam is LIES. They have a form of lies for themselves AND Another form of lies for others Thank God for the information age: it is actually extremely difficult to tell lies nowadays. They were hiding the lies under the language of Arabic thinking that few people would be able to read and comprehend it only for the age of the INTERNET and AI to kick off the ground powerfully. |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 4:22pm On Jul 22 |
Ohyoudidnt:We can conclude the other thread. I am surprised you are just seeing this sha! |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by Ohyoudidnt: 5:15pm On Jul 22 |
TenQ: I am very bemused. Be patient please. I take it one at a time. The fuss in the images you attached are very funny so in time we will address the humour 1 Like |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by Ohyoudidnt: 5:17pm On Jul 22 |
TenQ: My life is not centred on discussing with you on nairaland. We cannot conclude the other thread without exactly agreeing can we or agreeing to perpetually disagree which I won't subscribe to without putting good response to your misunderstanding. 1 Like |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by seunowa(f): 5:23pm On Jul 22 |
TenQ:God bless u bro in the name of Christ Jesus our Savior |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 6:08pm On Jul 22 |
Ohyoudidnt: No problem sir. I am waiting 'cause I don't see the humour in it |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by Ohyoudidnt: 6:41pm On Jul 22 |
TenQ: Thanks. While you wait kindly pull out the different arabic words used in place of one another |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 6:42pm On Jul 22 |
Ohyoudidnt:My problem with you is this: A simple statement like: If (for instance) the Qur'an says, "Allah eat food and drank water!" You will say: No! It doesn't say that! You don't know Arabic! You will then say everything except what the plain text is truly saying. This is my issue with you |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 6:43pm On Jul 22 |
seunowa:Amen my sister! The truth always set free those who want it |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by TenQ: 6:46pm On Jul 22 |
Ohyoudidnt:As if I was the one who translated the Arabic script. The differences are highlighted in RED sir! It's so clear even the blind will see them: Didn't you see the words highlighted in RED? |
Re: Evidence That Ancient Qurans Are Different From Modern Qurans by Ohyoudidnt: 6:46pm On Jul 22 |
TenQ: Your observation is noted though you pick your own example to illustrate perhaps you could have made an exact reference. Not to engage in futility I ask what it means when the Jews mentioned lighter punishment and cover the text in the Torah saying the punishment due to the fornicator according to the Torah? |
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