Leyqute:


It’s even worse than I imagined.

Shea Lacey is a massive talent in Utd academy. He’s playing for the U18s consistently and he just recently turned 17.

A lot of people are still living in the 2000s when players don't peak until 24-27. In their thoughts, academy players must be at 20 or 21 before they can play U21. Yamal (Barcelona), Zaire Emery (PSG), Mainoo (M. United)/ Garnacho (M. United)/ Arda Guler (R. Madrid)/ F. Camarda (Milan)/ Moukoko (BVB)/ Cubarsi (Barcelona)/ J. Hato (Ajax). I mean we watched the just concluded Euros.

Another crazy narrative is, since Nelson, ESR and Nketiah did not work out, then there should be no reason to transition players from the academy. I mean, we just sold ESR because the talent is there. Nketiah and Nelson will most likely leave for fees.

I am not saying and have never said every talent will turn out to be the 2nd coming of Messi/ CR7 but if we are losing academy players, worsestill "FOR FREE" and they are getting picked up or chased by quality teams, then it is ok to ask the "Why" question. Is it a lack of talent? Are they not good enough for Arteta? Do we have too many players who have arrived the curve? Are there plans to transition the best of best from the academy into first team activities? If this is about chasing titles, what is the plan with players currently in the academy?

Leyqute:


Bros. The thing wey dey muzz me be say Chido might actually be ready to level up.

Normally, a player should be progressed through the academy if he seems to be cruising and mercilessly beating his age mates.

Considering that Arsenal hardly has an academy product as a regular starter, I can understand his sentiments.

I am not even advocating regular sef.

I hope it changes this coming season with Arsenal hierarchy now involved. Hopefully, Nwaneri can at least have some good involvement.

🚩 Granit Xhaka: “The move from Arsenal to Leverkusen was not a step back, but rather two steps forward”.

Source: Bild

Hmmm.

Roland17:


A lot of people are still living in the 2000s when players don't peak until 24-27. In their thoughts, academy players must be at 20 or 21 before they can play U21. Yamal (Barcelona), Zaire Emery (PSG), Mainoo (M. United)/ Garnacho (M. United)/ Arda Guler (R. Madrid)/ F. Camarda (Milan)/ Moukoko (BVB)/ Cubarsi (Barcelona)/ J. Hato (Ajax). I mean we watched the just concluded Euros.

Another crazy narrative is, since Nelson, ESR and Nketiah did not work out, then there should be no reason to transition players from the academy. I mean, we just sold ESR because the talent is there. Nketiah and Nelson will most likely leave for fees.

I am not saying and have never said every talent will turn out to be the 2nd coming of Messi/ CR7 but if we are losing academy players, worsestill "FOR FREE" and they are getting picked up or chased by quality teams, then it is ok to ask the "Why" question. Is it a lack of talent? Are they not good enough for Arteta? Do we have too many players who have arrived the curve? Are there plans to transition the best of best from the academy into first team activities? If this is about chasing titles, what is the plan with players currently in the academy?

Well spoken. I think it's down to Arteta. Cos that Obi lad deserves at least regular U21 games - if he wants it.

Arteta just doesn't trust academy guys. Look at Balogun FGS. Man literally grew up at Arsenal- and he never got a good whiff of senior football (2 sub appearances, one in a dead rubber Europa game and the other vs Brentford) . Obi saw that and refused to be another victim.

It wasn't this bad under Wenger.

Roland17:


I am not even advocating regular sef.

I hope it changes this coming season with Arsenal hierarchy now involved. Hopefully, Nwaneri can at least have some good involvement.

And the truth about these academy kids is that they won't mind being a squad player because they truly love the club.

It's about man management majorly. Maybe you guys should hire a first team transition coach for academy products.

Leyqute:


Emotional bawo? Onto say something wey dey happen normal at United be like filmtrick for Arsenal?

We dare not complain here
Arteta is the next best thing or else we will be tagged emotional
We lost 3 highly rated in the space of 1 year
Thank God some one nurtured the likes of saka, ESR, nelson and nketiah

The youngsters saw what happened to azeez, patino, Flores etc they all want to japa

Roland17:


I am not even advocating regular sef.

I hope it changes this coming season with Arsenal hierarchy now involved. Hopefully, Nwaneri can at least have some good involvement.

Another guy I was impressed with is heaven
I was cussing the guy for allowing holjund scored but he improved afterwards
I read he's 17 he has the body just needing experience
Salah is another notable mention

daveP:



The thing is we need to look around youth talents usage in Europe and even South America right now. What is happening with youths? The answer is obvious. This means that all this reluctance is Arteta's own problem. He may not say it but it has gone on since he came that guy obviously likes finished product to academy boys. The ones he met on ground were straight to 1st team and he's enjoying them right now. All involves risk anyway. I don't think he is convinced he needs to take risk and trust these talents. He needs to do better on that front. 5years and at least 1 academy talent should be getting regular league games minutes by now is not much to ask. It is not

Let us put things in proper perspective.

No manager will guarantee an academy player a regular start. The player has to fight for it especially in a top club like Arsenal where coming 2nd is seen as Failure. It is not every season we see an U16 or U18 potential talents being upgraded to 1st team just like that, I mean how many U18 players are playing regularly in top clubs across Europe?

If Ronaldo at 38, Lukaku and many others matured players at the top are working hard to make sure they are still delivering results, no manager will relegate them simply because they want to give room to the younger ones. There is a small room at the top and no matter how hard all the academy players try, not all of them will make it to the very top. So the burden is on them to work twice harder to displace those already at the top.

Chido was given an accelerated pathway to 1st team, all he needed was to prove himself worthy. Look if you are good, even if the manager hates your face, he will use you because the manager needs results. Even up till the end of last season, Chido has not proven himself that he deserves to be a regular starter with U21, because the manager believes there are better players ahead of him. There is no sentiments to this thing. Every manager wants to win and they will not just field you because they want to help build you up especially if that will make them lose a match.

This is how exceptional Talents emerge: Even though the Academy player is U16, if he is seen as exceptional at his level, he might be invited by U18 or U21 once in while... If he proves himself at that level, he would not be allowed to go back to U16 again... same applies when he plays with the 1st team. Many times if there is no room at the top for the player to play regularly at his club, he would be sent out on loan to some midrange clubs to develop. All that the player needs to do is prove that his bright performances are no fluke and he can deliver spectacular results consistently. No top manager will overlook such talent if proven when given opportunities.

The fact that Chido scored 10 goals in a match does not automatically mean he is ripe for U21 or 1st team. He needs to earn the right to play there like Saka. What a brilliant Academy Player like him need is guarantee opportunities to prove himself at higher level. Apart from opportunity to play with U21, Arteta was even drafted to personally give Chido guarantee of training with the 1st team and opportunity to play with the 1st team whenever the chance comes. Still he was not satisfied. I don't know what more he is looking for but my own personal conclusion is that the guy is not Arsenal tokan-tokan (diehard). I pray he finds whatever he is looking for but I cannot blame anyone at Arsenal for his departure.

ObaIgwe1:


Let us put things in proper perspective.

No manager will guarantee an academy player a regular start. The player has to fight for it especially in a top club like Arsenal where coming 2nd is seen as Failure. It is not every season we see an U16 or U18 potential talents being upgraded to 1st team just like that, I mean how many U18 players are playing regularly in top clubs across Europe?

If Ronaldo at 38, Lukaku and many others matured players at the top are working hard to make sure they are still delivering results, no manager will relegate them simply because they want to give room to the younger ones. There is a small room at the top and no matter how hard all the academy players try, not all of them will make it to the very top. So the burden is on them to work twice harder to displace those already at the top.

Chido was given an accelerated pathway to 1st team, all he needed was to prove himself worthy. Look if you are good, even if the manager hates your face, he will use you because the manager needs results. Even up till the end of last season, Chido has not proven himself that he deserves to be a regular starter with U21, because the manager believes there are better players ahead of him. There is no sentiments to this thing. Every manager wants to win and they will not just field you because they want to help build you up especially if that will make them lose a match.

This is how exceptional Talents emerge: Even though the Academy player is U16, if he is seen as exceptional at his level, he might be invited by U18 or U21 once in while... If he proves himself at that level, he would not be allowed to go back to U16 again... same applies when he plays with the 1st team. Many times if there is no room at the top for the player to play regularly at his club, he would be sent out on loan to some midrange clubs to develop. All that the player needs to do is prove that his bright performances are no fluke and he can deliver spectacular consistently. No top manager will overlook such talent if proven when given opportunities.

The fact that Chido scored 10 goals in a match does not automatically mean he is ripe for U21 or 1st team. He needs to earn the right to play there like Saka. What a brilliant Academy Player like him need is guarantee opportunities to prove himself at higher level. Apart from opportunity to play with U21, Arteta was even drafted to personally give Chido guarantee of training with the 1st team and opportunity to play with the 1st team whenever the chance comes. Still he was not satisfied. I don't know what more he is looking for but my own personal conclusion is that the guy is not Arsenal tokan-tokan (diehard). I pray he finds whatever he is looking for but I cannot blame anyone at Arsenal for his departure.

We are missing this thing here
I don't think we said they should start at the first team or even u21
All we say let them be recognised, slowly integrate them
For example our last group stage game in UCL , that game was a dead rubber we have won the group yet saka still played
Majority of the starters played the game that affected us with fatigue during the second half of the season
Normally this is an avenue for youngsters to express themselves but our coach keep repeating same players

Moreover how can you tell chido is not ripe for first team, remember haaland started like this too scoring 7-8 goals in a game.

iamoyindamola:

We dare not complain here
Arteta is the next best thing or else we will be tagged emotional
We lost 3 highly rated in the space of 1 year
Thank God some one nurtured the likes of saka, ESR, nelson and nketiah

The youngsters saw what happened to azeez, patino, Flores etc they all want to japa

Oh, I didn’t know that.

Arteta is defenseless in that area o.

Apart from Saka, I don’t know any other highly rated Arsenal player who came from your academy. Gone are the days of Wilshere, Fabregas and co.

ObaIgwe1:


Let us put things in proper perspective.

No manager will guarantee an academy player a regular start. The player has to fight for it especially in a top club like Arsenal where coming 2nd is seen as Failure. It is not every season we see an U16 or U18 potential talents being upgraded to 1st team just like that, I mean how many U18 players are playing regularly in top clubs across Europe?

If Ronaldo at 38, Lukaku and many others matured players at the top are working hard to make sure they are still delivering results, no manager will relegate them simply because they want to give room to the younger ones. There is a small room at the top and no matter how hard all the academy players try, not all of them will make it to the very top. So the burden is on them to work twice harder to displace those already at the top.

Chido was given an accelerated pathway to 1st team, all he needed was to prove himself worthy. Look if you are good, even if the manager hates your face, he will use you because the manager needs results. Even up till the end of last season, Chido has not proven himself that he deserves to be a regular starter with U21, because the manager believes there are better players ahead of him. There is no sentiments to this thing. Every manager wants to win and they will not just field you because they want to help build you up especially if that will make them lose a match.

This is how exceptional Talents emerge: Even though the Academy player is U16, if he is seen as exceptional at his level, he might be invited by U18 or U21 once in while... If he proves himself at that level, he would not be allowed to go back to U16 again... same applies when he plays with the 1st team. Many times if there is no room at the top for the player to play regularly at his club, he would be sent out on loan to some midrange clubs to develop. All that the player needs to do is prove that his bright performances are no fluke and he can deliver spectacular results consistently. No top manager will overlook such talent if proven when given opportunities.

The fact that Chido scored 10 goals in a match does not automatically mean he is ripe for U21 or 1st team. He needs to earn the right to play there like Saka. What a brilliant Academy Player like him need is guarantee opportunities to prove himself at higher level. Apart from opportunity to play with U21, Arteta was even drafted to personally give Chido guarantee of training with the 1st team and opportunity to play with the 1st team whenever the chance comes. Still he was not satisfied. I don't know what more he is looking for but my own personal conclusion is that the guy is not Arsenal tokan-tokan (diehard). I pray he finds whatever he is looking for but I cannot blame anyone at Arsenal for his departure.

The bigger question is by inference

Are we to conclude that Arteta believes the boys are not good enough? Where else is the best spot to make the haughty ones feel like they need to come down from their high horse if not the 1st team too. But that's not my angle. He should find one and really do all to make that one his Lamine. But no!!

See this chart. There are other teams that do way better than us. Fun fact is many of these teenagers may not necessarily make our bench but they see minutes. Now those minutes will be part of what scout like ours will use to access if such a teen is worth the buy. I dunno of you're getting my angle.

5years and not one means alll of them are not worth it. That's is a damning inference and also piggyback to MA still.

iamoyindamola:

We are missing this thing here
I don't think we said they should start at the first team or even u21
All we say let them be recognised, slowly integrate them
For example our last group stage game in UCL , that game was a dead rubber we have won the group yet saka still played
Majority of the starters played the game that affected us with fatigue during the second half of the season
Normally this is an avenue for youngsters to express themselves but our coach keep repeating same players

Moreover how can you tell chido is not ripe for first team, remember haaland started like this too scoring 7-8 goals in a game.

Sodiqq, these thigs are not automatic like that. No manager at the top will just recognize an academy player simply because we just want to build our academy. The burden is on the academy player to perform beyond his age mates like Harland and Saka you mentioned. Soon as you shine consistently, no manager will pull you back.

And that place at the very top is hard, because at the level of the 1st team, we are no longer longer just thinking about building academy, we are looking for talents that can help us win, and that search is not limited to our academy players, but from pools of thousands of players across the world that have proven themselves consistently.

What makes Chido ripe for 1st team or even for U21? Is it because of the 10 goals he scored once at U16 0r U18? Is he better than those playing his position at U21 right now? Why was he not consistent scoring 3-10 goals when he was featured with U21? If Chido was scoring like Haarland with under 18 and U21, Arteta would have invited him, and if he is coming from the bench to score a goal or 2 like Trossard, he would have been retained with the 1st team. What Chido deserves is guarantee opportunities to be tried at higher level but he turned it down.

Leyqute:


Oh, I didn’t know that.

Arteta is defenseless in that area o.

Apart from Saka, I don’t know any other highly rated Arsenal player who came from your academy. Gone are the days of Wilshere, Fabregas and co.

The annoying thing is the talent is there if the talent is not there Chelsea won't get omari and later sold him at 25m, duberry is getting huge minutes witg Brighton now and i am sure chido will soon start getting too
They just need mentoring and minutes because without minutes you can't know strength and weakness
Saliba was almost gone forever because of this too, one mistake and he's not good enough even though the boy was still mourning death of his mother then

ObaIgwe1:


Let us put things in proper perspective.

No manager will guarantee an academy player a regular start. The player has to fight for it especially in a top club like Arsenal where coming 2nd is seen as Failure. It is not every season we see an U16 or U18 potential talents being upgraded to 1st team just like that, I mean how many U18 players are playing regularly in top clubs across Europe?

If Ronaldo at 38, Lukaku and many others matured players at the top are working hard to make sure they are still delivering results, no manager will relegate them simply because they want to give room to the younger ones. There is a small room at the top and no matter how hard all the academy players try, not all of them will make it to the very top. So the burden is on them to work twice harder to displace those already at the top.

Chido was given an accelerated pathway to 1st team, all he needed was to prove himself worthy. Look if you are good, even if the manager hates your face, he will use you because the manager needs results. Even up till the end of last season, Chido has not proven himself that he deserves to be a regular starter with U21, because the manager believes there are better players ahead of him. There is no sentiments to this thing. Every manager wants to win and they will not just field you because they want to help build you up especially if that will make them lose a match.

This is how exceptional Talents emerge: Even though the Academy player is U16, if he is seen as exceptional at his level, he might be invited by U18 or U21 once in while... If he proves himself at that level, he would not be allowed to go back to U16 again... same applies when he plays with the 1st team. Many times if there is no room at the top for the player to play regularly at his club, he would be sent out on loan to some midrange clubs to develop. All that the player needs to do is prove that his bright performances are no fluke and he can deliver spectacular results consistently. No top manager will overlook such talent if proven when given opportunities.

The fact that Chido scored 10 goals in a match does not automatically mean he is ripe for U21 or 1st team. He needs to earn the right to play there like Saka. What a brilliant Academy Player like him need is guarantee opportunities to prove himself at higher level. Apart from opportunity to play with U21, Arteta was even drafted to personally give Chido guarantee of training with the 1st team and opportunity to play with the 1st team whenever the chance comes. Still he was not satisfied. I don't know what more he is looking for but my own personal conclusion is that the guy is not Arsenal tokan-tokan (diehard). I pray he finds whatever he is looking for but I cannot blame anyone at Arsenal for his departure.

Sir, respectfully, I think you have missed the entire point.

At no time did Chido and his family ask for first team guarantees, n o time. He has no business playing under 18 next season, none and that is a fact that can not be debated, especially when you consider the jostle for his signature and that he played some U18 games last season also. He should be playing U21 because that is his level and not even about scoring 10 goals. Infact, scoring 10 goals in one match should tell you he needs a clearer path than the one we offered.

It is simple and clear. Chido and his family believe based on their son's ability and competing offers, he should be getting U21 guarantees as that is a clearer path to the 1st team than U18 where he played some games last season. Chido featured in 4 U18 games and scored 3 goals! Do you know what that averages? If we are really serious about the academy, I think the kid showed enough to argue he should be getting U21 guarantees instead U18 and that provides a clearer path to the first team.

Again, at no time did her ask for first team guarantees. He asked for U21 and when schedules are free and if he is showing the work with the U21, he will get invited to train with the 1st team. Chido himself understand the task ahead.

Wow. Judging from the comments here, I can see that you guys don’t give a rats ass about your academy players.

There’s no guarantee that an academy player will make it in the first team, yes. But the onus lies on the club to give them everything possible to make the step up.

I’m not even talking about guaranteed minutes in the first team. Common U21 matches - which nobody gives a fvck about tbh, you guys are harboring it like gold.

Cole Palmer was sold to Chelsea for 40m and he left City after they sold Mahrez and co because he wasn’t guaranteed playing time. Look at him now. If he stayed at City I’m sure he’d still be sitting on the bench right now. Arteta and Pep hardly trust youth players from their own academy.

daveP:


The bigger question is by inference

Are we to conclude that Arteta believes the boys are not good enough? Where else is the best spot to make the haughty ones feel like they need to come down from their high horse if not the 1st team too. But that's not my angle. He should find one and really do all to make that one his Lamine. But no!!

See this chart. There are other teams that do way better than us. Fun fact is many of these teenagers may not necessarily make our bench but they see minutes. Now those minutes will be part of what scout like ours will use to access if such a teen is worth the buy. I dunno of you're getting my angle.

5years and not one means alll of them are not worth it. That's is a damning inference and also piggyback to MA still.

Like I said, the challenge is to prove you are better than those currently playing your position at the top. I don't know any of our present academy players that are better than those presently playing their positions in the 1st team or even on the 1st team bench. Sometimes injuries to many 1st team players/bench force the manger to look and pick players from the academy, but for our team we have players that can play in many positions, so looking to the academy for help in time of injuries is rare.

I cannot blame Arteta, the pressure is on him to win something... even when he is not using Academy players, he still has not won us something big. So If I have the opportunity to speak to him, I will tell him to focus on winning us a Trophy and let other managers worry about developing our academy.

Question 1: Since Arteta came, how many of our academy players that left has made us regret their leaving? If they are not the best for the teams they left us to join, they are prolly not the best for our 1st team.... It's lonely at the top, very few made it to that top.

Question 2: From the chat you gave, how many of the Top 6 teams use teenagers that developed from their own academy?

iamoyindamola:

The annoying thing is the talent is there if the talent is not there Chelsea won't get omari and later sold him at 25m, duberry is getting huge minutes witg Brighton now and i am sure chido will soon start getting too
They just need mentoring and minutes because without minutes you can't know strength and weakness
Saliba was almost gone forever because of this too, one mistake and he's not good enough even though the boy was still mourning death of his mother then

It’s not as if we’re advocating for an U16 player to be a starter. But at least the path should be clear.

During this preseason United have Collyer and Harry Amass playing games (not only training with the first team ). And even though I think Amass is a proper Luke Shaw regen (check him out in this clip
https://twitter.com/nozi_michelle/status/1817439717299835318?s=46

He started the attack and then positioned himself to counterpress afterwards. Very mature.

),

I don’t want him to be a regular starter yet because I don’t think he’s ready. But the path is there already. We may start the season with him sef because Shaw can’t be rushed back and Malacia is still injured.

Leyqute:
Wow. Judging from the comments here, I can see that you guys don’t give a rats ass about your academy players.

There’s no guarantee that an academy player will make it in the first team, yes. But the onus lies on the club to give them everything possible to make the step up.

I’m not even talking about guaranteed minutes in the first team. Common U21 matches - which nobody gives a fvck about tbh, you guys are harboring it like gold.

Cole Palmer was sold to Chelsea for 40m and he left City after they sold Mahrez and co because he wasn’t guaranteed playing time. Look at him now. If he stayed at City I’m sure he’d still be sitting on the bench right now. Arteta and Pep hardly trust youth players from their own academy.

When the news about his contract situation started filtering through, on this thread, it was discarded as fake news because defending Arteta's record with the academy is more important but somehow, reality has set in and we are here.

in the face of FFP and the peak of our highest spending in decades, is it too much to ask for us to question why our talents are leaving in droves? especially when you consider none have been integrated into the first team in 5 years! Haba mana!

Leyqute:
Wow. Judging from the comments here, I can see that you guys don’t give a rats ass about your academy players.

There’s no guarantee that an academy player will make it in the first team, yes. But the onus lies on the club to give them everything possible to make the step up.

I’m not even talking about guaranteed minutes in the first team. Common U21 matches - which nobody gives a fvck about tbh, you guys are harboring it like gold.

Cole Palmer was sold to Chelsea for 40m and he left City after they sold Mahrez and co because he wasn’t guaranteed playing time. Look at him now. If he stayed at City I’m sure he’d still be sitting on the bench right now. Arteta and Pep hardly trust youth players from their own academy.

Tbh, most of us have seen how we've used academy players in the past and how it didn't take us where we want to be under Wenger. Personally, I'm indifferent about it cos what I want is the major trophies, tho I'm not against integrating academy players into the team.

One thing I know is that the level is our team have now, you've to be extremely good to get into it. There's a reason Nwaneri out of all the academy players is really looked at. The pressure is on Arteta and he knows he needs to win something. Infact, this preseason is the first time Arsenal under Arteta have used such a great number of academy players. And my inference is that he's finally stamped his style of play in the team(first teamers) and it has become natural to them hence the brooding of the youngsters now. With time we'll get to see the integration of academy players I believe

I've not seen Chido play live (the way I'm watching arsenal play) but if arsenal says he's not yet ready for the u-21 yet but the u-18s even after all the hype, then I'll give them the benefit of doubt and trust their judgement on it. I wish Chido the best and I hope he wishes Arsenal the best too.

Roland17:


Sir, respectfully, I think you have missed the entire point.

At no time did Chido and his family ask for first team guarantees, n o time. He has no business playing under 18 next season, none and that is a fact that can not be debated, especially when you consider the jostle for his signature and that he played some U18 games last season also. He should be playing U21 because that is his level and not even about scoring 10 goals. Infact, scoring 10 goals in one match should tell you he needs a clearer path than the one we offered.

It is simple and clear. Chido and his family believe based on their son's ability and competing offers, he should be getting U21 guarantees as that is a clearer path to the 1st team than U18 where he played some games last season. Chido featured in 4 U18 games and scored 3 goals! Do you know what that averages? If we are really serious about the academy, I think the kid showed enough to argue he should be getting U21 guarantees instead U18 and that provides a clearer path to the first team.

Again, at no time did her ask for first team guarantees. He asked for U21 and when schedules are free and if he is showing the work with the U21, he will get invited to train with the 1st team. Chido himself understand the task ahead.

Honestly I get your point Roland.

We are not Chido manager here. If the manager of U21 think Chido is not yet ripe for that double promotion, I cannot fault him. He saw Chido on the training and on the field more than us, so I think he knows better than us. What will be worse for Chido is for the manager to accept to promote Chido to U21 and use him minimally by keeping him on the bench because the manager in his assessment believes there are better prospect to play Chido position better than him in U21. What Chido 1st need is to play regularly, he can from U18 make a case that he is better than that level.

Let's take a case of Saliba.... You rightly thought that there was no need for Arteta sending him back on the 2nd loan. But with benefit of hindsight, while Arteta might have been wrong sending him back on loan again, it was far better that Saliba was sent back on loan than for Arteta to retain him and keep him rotten on the bench. Saliba did well by going back on that loan and proving to every doubter including Arteta that he is ripe to be in Arteta 1st team.

This is what I expect Chido to prove... If he wins everything that is there to win in the 1st 6 matches of U18, not only U21 manager will look at him, even Arteta will want to see if he can do similar for the 1st team.

ObaIgwe1:


Like I said, the challenge is to prove you are better than those currently playing your position at the top. I don't know any of our present academy players that are better than those presently playing their positions in the 1st team or even on the 1st team bench. Sometimes injuries to many 1st team players/bench force the manger to look and pick players from the academy, but for our team we have players that can play in many positions, so looking to the academy for help in time of injuries is rare.

I cannot blame Arteta, the pressure is on him to win something... even when he is not using Academy players, he still has not won us something big. So If I have the opportunity to speak to him, I will tell him to focus on winning us a Trophy and let other managers worry about developing our academy.

Question 1: Since Arteta came, how many of our academy players that left has made us regret their leaving? If they are not the best for the teams they left us to join, they are prolly not the best for our 1st team.... It's lonely at the top, very few made it to that top.

Question 2: From the chat you gave, how many of the Top 6 teams use teenagers that developed from their own academy?

Do you follow your academy closely? I don’t think they’re that bad.

ObaIgwe1:


Like I said, the challenge is to prove you are better than those currently playing your position at the top. I don't know any of our present academy players that are better than those presently playing their positions in the 1st team or even on the 1st team bench. Sometimes injuries to many 1st team players/bench force the manger to look and pick players from the academy, but for our team we have players that can play in many positions, so looking to the academy for help in time of injuries is rare.

I cannot blame Arteta, the pressure is on him to win something... even when he is not using Academy players, he still has not won us something big. So If I have the opportunity to speak to him, I will tell him to focus on winning us a Trophy and let other managers worry about developing our academy.

Question 1: Since Arteta came, how many of our academy players that left has made us regret their leaving? If they are not the best for the teams they left us to join, they are prolly not the best for our 1st team.... It's lonely at the top, very few made it to that top.

Question 2: From the chat you gave, how many of the Top 6 teams use teenagers that developed from their own academy?

That's where i disagree with you. They don't need to prove they are better than 1st teamers. All they need to do is show the promise to attract a manager that knows this is one for the future and therefore make necessary and bold moves to encourage such talents and groom them even better. That's how it should be

Having 0% graduating and having a mere 13minutes all round is a very huge and damning inference even if that manager doesn't say a word.

The Nelson that gave us one of the most memorable comebacks under MA vs Bournemouth, was he better than those playing his position?

Just look around other teams that boast of academy graduates.

I'm emphasizing the barest minimum required from a manager aka giving minutes to the ones you feel are one for the future. I'm not saying they need to play like Ronaldo and Messi to be considered. It is a shame that a manager body language is giving such inference. Rhey don't need to be integral part. Our manager would rather play a fatigued player than give an academy boy 15mins.

If our archrivals are now swooping in on such players, it tells alot.
The Academy deserves way much better
The Academy has gotten the language and it can kill morale no matter how talented there are.
How else is one now expected to realize new stars?
Since 2001, many managers chewed their own wrong assessments and all it took was mere quarter of an hour. That's all I'm asking for. That is not too much. It is the barest minimum. And our academy has players that qualify for that barest minimum.


5years not 1. Meaning the crux is with his approach.

Anyways, we'll see.

Leyqute:
Wow. Judging from the comments here, I can see that you guys don’t give a rats ass about your academy players.

There’s no guarantee that an academy player will make it in the first team, yes. But the onus lies on the club to give them everything possible to make the step up.

I’m not even talking about guaranteed minutes in the first team. Common U21 matches - which nobody gives a fvck about tbh, you guys are harboring it like gold.

Cole Palmer was sold to Chelsea for 40m and he left City after they sold Mahrez and co because he wasn’t guaranteed playing time. Look at him now. If he stayed at City I’m sure he’d still be sitting on the bench right now. Arteta and Pep hardly trust youth players from their own academy.

That is one way to look at it.

I think the opportunity is there to make it to the 1st team in every academy including that of Arsenal. The question I will rather ask is; how many of our academy players have proven themselves deserving promotion beyond where they are now? And I would not expect the 1st team manager to use the sentiment of building academy and pack some average players together and expect to qualify for CL and win the league.

Leyqute:


Do you follow your academy closely? I don’t think they’re that bad.

I will admit I dont follow it as much as someone like Roland,

But honestly I know they are not bad and I am proud of their achievements at their level.

My argument is that they should not be promoted beyond their level, else they might also miss it.

I know we are in the jet age but most players in all Football academies of the world will not have jet transfer, maybe 5 in 100 like Haarland will.

Let them develop at their pace and not rushed, those who will get to the top will.

mostob:
You know, I do wonder how Arteta convinces these players to join Arsenal. There was one moment where he gave Arteta a hug and asked if everything is real. He said he has been waiting for long.

Omo, if I get Arteta as a friend, I go carry my girlfriend faraway from him.

Lol, I watched a clip of that bolded. Arteta was just smiling and telling him "yes it's real, it's real"


But honestly, I don talk am for here say Arteta get sweet mouth and he knows how to get through people. I read the board was against signing calafiori since we have defenders but he mapped out reason why Cala would be very good in elevating us and las las, they all agreed to it. I remember always watching his pressers even that our bad run of form in his early years and when is done, I'll just be optimistic about our next game even though I was served with rubbish play .

Say what you might but the guy is a very good man team bonding manager even though he's very strict. He also have his ways with the right words wella

daveP:



That's where i disagree with you. They don't need to prove they are better than 1st teamers. All they need to do is show the promise to attract a manager that knows this is one for the future and therefore make necessary and bold moves to encourage such talents and groom them even better. That's how it should be

Having 0% graduating and having a mere 13minutes all round is a very huge and damning inference even if that manager doesn't say a word.

The Nelson that gave us one of the most memorable comebacks under MA vs Bournemouth, was he better than those playing his position?

Just look around other teams that boast of academy graduates.

I'm emphasizing the barest minimum required from a manager aka giving minutes to the ones you feel are one for the future. I'm not saying they need to play like Ronaldo and Messi to be considered. It is a shame that a manager body language is giving such inference. Rhey don't need to be integral part. Our manager would rather play a fatigued player than give an academy boy 15mins.

If our archrivals are now swooping in on such players, it tells alot.
The Academy deserves way much better
The Academy has gotten the language and it can kill morale no matter how talented there are.
How else is one now expected to realize new stars?
Since 2001, many managers chewed their own wrong assessments and all it took was mere quarter of an hour. That's all I'm asking for. That is not too much. It is the barest minimum. And our academy has players that qualify for that barest minimum.


5years not 1. Meaning the crux is with his approach.

Anyways, we'll see.

Arteta primary role is not building the academy. That is the primary job of our age group managers.

You can only blame Arteta if there is a shinning star from our academy that escaped Arteta to go and shine in another team without effort to keep him at Arsenal,

Also, stars are not born everyday. In the past 5 years you said, how many stars have come out from all the football academies in Europe?

The demand from our 1st team players at Arsenal is Very high, most academy players will not make it to that top, some will go for other careers, some will join lower leagues, some will end up with mid table range teams and some will go round and round and later make it to the top and very few stars will have an accelerated growth to the 1st team.

This is life! It is what it is... It's not Arsenal or Arteta's fault.

ObaIgwe1:


Arteta primary role is not building the academy. That is the primary job of our age group managers.

You can only blame Arteta if there is a shinning star from our academy that escaped Arteta to go and shine in another team without effort to keep him at Arsenal,

Also, stars are not born everyday. In the past 5 years you said, how many stars have come out from all the football academies in Europe?

The demand from our 1st team players at Arsenal is Very high, most academy players will not make it to that top, some will go for other careers, some will join lower leagues, some will end up with mid table range teams and some will go round and round and later make it to the top and very few stars will have an accelerated growth to the 1st team.

This is life! It is what it is... It's not Arsenal or Arteta's fault.

Nobody is talking about stars or academy boys that can outperform 1st teamers just like that.

Even clubs that don't prioritize academy grad still get one or two elsewhere to do something with because they see potential.

If Arteta sees none in his 5years then the blame lies with him. It is not beans. Ebening still manage find 3 but MA can't? Just sight and encourage and that's all. Not giving that hint that none will smell bench or 1st team associating.

ObaIgwe1:


I will admit I dont follow it as much as someone like Roland,

But honestly I know they are not bad and I am proud of their achievements at their level.

My argument is that they should not be promoted beyond their level, else they might also miss it.

I know we are in the jet age but most players in all Football academies of the world will not have jet transfer, maybe 5 in 100 like Haarland will.

Let them develop at their pace and not rushed, those who will get to the top will.

If you don’t watch them, how do you know they’re not good enough?

You won’t know a youth player is ready until he trains with the first team. And if he impresses, a good coach will give him minutes to test him and see if he’s the real deal.

Mainoo is miles ahead of McTominay but if ETH didn’t give him any chance, waiting for “when he’s ready”, his talent would just be wasting away at U18. Same with Garnacho , Yamal, Nico Williams, and even Mbappe, who Madrid just bought at a great price.

If you’re good enough, you’re old enough.

At least boost their confidence, especially when you know that when time for selling comes, you'll need those funds. Is it any surprise that they bid so low for many of these talents? Currently Nketiah is on 20m bid from Marseille. He's played 1st team even if I'm not a fav. But that's money now.

At least for the sake of raking in funds. These things are not rocket science nowww. Chei.


Well now that you've admitted that you don't even watch them, it becomes totally clear now. I case my rest

@obaigwe1

Man signed because United offered a clearer pathway. If this guy turns into a beast now, I hope you guys won’t be mad.

ObaIgwe1:


Honestly I get your point Roland.

We are not Chido manager here. If the manager of U21 think Chido is not yet ripe for that double promotion, I cannot fault him. He saw Chido on the training and on the field more than us, so I think he knows better than us. What will be worse for Chido is for the manager to accept to promote Chido to U21 and use him minimally by keeping him on the bench because the manager in his assessment believes there are better prospect to play Chido position better than him in U21. What Chido 1st need is to play regularly, he can from U18 make a case that he is better than that level.

Let's take a case of Saliba.... You rightly thought that there was no need for Arteta sending him back on the 2nd loan. But with benefit of hindsight, while Arteta might have been wrong sending him back on loan again, it was far better that Saliba was sent back on loan than for Arteta to retain him and keep him rotten on the bench. Saliba did well by going back on that loan and proving to every doubter including Arteta that he is ripe to be in Arteta 1st team.

This is what I expect Chido to prove... If he wins everything that is there to win in the 1st 6 matches of U18, not only U21 manager will look at him, even Arteta will want to see if he can do similar for the 1st team.

I don’t think you follow your academy at all.

You said Chido Obi should go to Under-18 to make a case that he is better than that level. Also you mentioned somewhere that moving him to Under-21 would be a double promotion. No it would not.
He already played Under-18 last season.

Bro, the guy scored 32 goals in 20 Under-18 premier League games last season. As a 16yr old
There is nothing left for him to prove at Under-18.

What he needs is regular Under-21 mins and the training with the first team. He can join the Under-18s for FA Youth Cup and the Under-19s for UEFA Youth League.

It seems many people here think Chido scored all those goals last season for the Under-16s. No, he scored them for the Under-18s, as a 16yr old.

The last 3 months of the season only 4 or 5 clubs scored more goals than him. He won’t get better playing Under-18 as he found it so easy that even with his mistakes he was still bullying everybody.

Leyqute:


It’s not as if we’re advocating for an U16 player to be a starter. But at least the path should be clear.

During this preseason United have Collyer and Harry Amass playing games (not only training with the first team ). And even though I think Amass is a proper Luke Shaw regen (check him out in this clip
https://twitter.com/nozi_michelle/status/1817439717299835318?s=46

He started the attack and then positioned himself to counterpress afterwards. Very mature.

),

I don’t want him to be a regular starter yet because I don’t think he’s ready. But the path is there already. We may start the season with him sef because Shaw can’t be rushed back and Malacia is still injured.

Exactly, I saw the youngsters that played us in preseason
Although he's improving now because he packed some this time and used them but I think he left it little too late
The 3 guys we lost should have earned us some money at least