ReesheesuKnack:


Sorry. There are no illegal immigrants. When Sir Keir Starmer talks about Smashing the gangs, he actually meant the gangs of Border force personnel who stamp the entry visas for folks coming off the boats.

Exactly the kind of empty response I expected so don't worry, you don't have to be sorry - I'll clarify for you.

Smashing the human trafficking gangs exploiting asylum seekers is a different thing from processing asylum claims, unless you're saying the government means the asylum seekers are the gangs.

Zahra29:


Not according to the Illegal Migration Act which the UK government passed into law in 2023. According to the law:

The Illegal Migration Act 2023 changes the law so that those who arrive in the UK illegally will not be able to stay here and will instead be detained and then promptly removed, either to their home country or a safe third country.

The act aims to:

put a stop to illegal migration into the UK by removing the incentive to make dangerous small boat crossings
.....


Just stating facts.

You might want to check with Labour HQ if they have any plans to rescind this law and endorse boat crossings as a legal and acceptable route of migration to the UK

Fun fact: Up until last year, Albanians made up a significant proportion of people crossing by boat - until the UK government made a deal with the Albanian govt to stop its citizens.
Albania is considered a safe country, not at war and is even a candidate country to join the European Union, so it is a bit naive to think that only genuine wartorn refugees and asylum seekers are crossing over from Europe to get to the UK. E.g. Some are fleeing deportation from Germany and France, similar to some UK migrants that are crossing to Ireland to apply for asylum there.

Your facts are out of date.

On the 23rd of July, the Home Secretary issued new regulations varying the enforcement of the Act. There's a complex situation around how the Act creates a duty but not an immediate enforcent requirement and the dates the restrictions take effect but the summary is that no, people are not automatically "illegal" because they arrived on a small boat.

When they're processed,if their claims are denied then they'll be subject to removal and become illegal if they try to evade that. Simple.

Even before, I doubt such a claim would be correct. Virtually every legal organization (Law Society, Bar Council etc) made it clear parts of the law contradicted the UK's international law obligations (which supercede national laws) and potentially violated the HRA as well. There's a reason no planes actually took off despite all the huffing and puffing by Sun-ella.

https://righttoremain.org.uk/illegal-migration-act-ban-on-processing-asylum-claims-lifted/ has an explainer.

You can read the actual regulation here - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2024/815/made

Interestingly, the contradictions in the law itself is why people were actually stuck in the hotels costing the government as much as they are

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/braverman-law-cost-migrants-removed-2898645

Braverman knew this. The fact that the law and the Rwanda plan was never going to fly literally or figuratively was obvious but she was more focused on becoming an anti-immigration champion. The 8 million per day is her and her ilk's fault, not the asylum seekers'.

Zahra29:


I remember circa last year when some on this thread were bashing illegal immigrants; making distinctions between their legal status and those crossing by boat; claiming that illegal immigrants were the problem and not legal migrants who had paid into the system; and by the way why couldn't they just stay in France? I remember I even played devil's advocate saying that many want to come to the UK as they have family here and also the English language factor.

Fast forward and now apparently nobody is an illegal immigrant; all immigrants are the same regardless of whether they arrive via Heathrow or via Dover dinghy; £8m a day on hotels is not an issue whatsoever.

Hilarious stuff.

First, it's interesting that when you're saying something very different from what you said before, it's because you were 'playing devil's advocate' but for others it's because they're being hypocritical?

Second and more importantly, it may be hilarious to you but it's perfectly logical how recent events have changed people's views. No one here is feeling the fear they're feeling because they've not contributed much to the society or because of their immigration status.

When people internalize that for the rioters and those enabling them with subtle encouragement and justification, the only thing that matters is that you have dark skin and you're therefore automatically an undesirable, is it surprising that they change their views as well?

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Goodenoch:


First, it's interesting that when you're saying something very different from what you said before, it's because you were 'playing devil's advocate' but for others it's because they're being hypocritical?

Second and more importantly, it may be hilarious to you but it's perfectly logical how recent events have changed people's views. No one here is feeling the fear they're feeling because they've not contributed much to the society or because of their immigration status.

When people internalize that for the rioters and those enabling them with subtle encouragement and justification, the only thing that matters is that you have dark skin and you're therefore automatically an undesirable, is it surprising that they change their views as well?

My devil's advocate wasn't denying that the people crossing by boat were entering illegally and were deemed illegal immigrants by the government and law, but I was trying to explain for example why some might want to come to the UK versus other EU countries and that some were in genuine need of protection. I'm not saying anything different to what I said before.

That's quite different to the current trend of arguing that there's no such thing as illegal immigrants/entry and that Keir may want to smash the gangs but otherwise he's very receptive to the people coming by boat and doesn't mind how they come over. (Labour that by the way has vowed to speed up asylum processing and deportations).That's what is hilarious to me.

Asylum seekers are human and should be treated as such, and some are genuinely fleeing for their lives, but you don't have to deny that crossing via boat or via lorry without any entry papers is considered unlawful (by the government - stating fact and not my personal opinion before they come for me)

I remember when I posted about the sad suicide of an asylum seeker, a black man, on the Bibby barge last year - no one/not many seemed to care then. So I welcome the change in tone towards asylum seekers on here.

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ReesheesuKnack:


Sorry. There are no illegal immigrants. When Sir Keir Starmer talks about Smashing the gangs, he actually meant the gangs of Border force personnel who stamp the entry visas for folks coming off the boats.

It's not your fault dear. It's Keir's - sleight of hand from him because when he spoke of smashing the gangs, he infact meant the Gangs of London.

Why would he want to dismantle the gangs that are ferrying over people to the UK via a legal and low carbon emission route?

Zahra29:


It's not your fault dear. It's Keir's - sleight of hand from him because when he spoke of smashing the gangs, he infact meant the Gangs of London.

Why would he want to dismantle the gangs that are ferrying over people to the UK via a legal and low carbon emission route?

Do you really believe that this protest is about poverty,, deprived towns, underfunded public services, cost of housing asylum seekers etc?

justwise:


Do you really believe that this protest is about poverty,, deprived towns, underfunded public services, cost of housing asylum seekers etc?

No I don't.

I believe the ONLY factor at play in the mind of white Brits is race/racism. No other issues or concerns whatsoever.

The average white Brit is fascist, anti-immigrant, not to mention lazy and benefit scrounging. The fact that protests/ riots (including others like Harehills) are taking place in areas known to be deprived/in need of levelling up, is purely coincidental.

But as soon as the police round up these far right thugs and put them in prison (hopefully very soon), Britain will return to a paradise - prosperous, safe, equal, harmonious and integrated communities everywhere from Teeside to Chelsea, noone on benefits, there'll be plenty of money to go around - we can spend even more on "asylum hotels" and open one in every town and city.

We won't even need Parliament much as there'll be no issues to discuss or solve. Instead we can all congregate at Dover and lorry ports to welcome the increasing number of migrants arriving by boat and lorry. Perhaps the BAME community can even sign up to house them like the Ukrainian refugees were housed.

Zahra29:


No I don't.

I believe the ONLY factor at play in the mind of white Brits is race/racism. No other issues or concerns whatsoever.

The average white Brit is fascist, anti-immigrant, not to mention lazy and benefit scrounging. The fact that protests/ riots (including others like Harehills) are taking place in areas known to be deprived/in need of levelling up, is purely coincidental.

But as soon as the police round up these far right thugs and put them in prison (hopefully very soon), Britain will return to a paradise - prosperous, safe, equal, harmonious and integrated communities everywhere from Teeside to Chelsea, noone on benefits, there'll be plenty of money to go around - we can spend even more on "asylum hotels" and open one in every town and city.

We won't even need Parliament much as there'll be no issues to discuss or solve. Instead we can all congregate at Dover and lorry ports to welcome the increasing number of migrants arriving by boat and lorry. Perhaps the BAME community can even sign up to house them like the Ukrainian refugees were housed.

You sarcastically saying the quiet part out loud, if Axel Rudakubana was a 17 years old white boy do you think the protest will happen?

The UK should be the last country on planet earth to moan about immigration, the UK approximately colonized 105 countries, killed, displaced and looted as they go.

justwise:


That nasty one? Only Trump can pick individual like him

Tim Scott got married two days ago
In an interview Friday with The Post and Courier, Scott said he prayed for a wife nearly every week for the last 30 years. But today he’s grateful to have met Noce exactly when he did. These guys will do anything to save face

justwise:


You sarcastically saying the quiet part out loud, if Axel Rudakubana was a 17 years old white boy do you think the protest will happen?

The UK should be the last country on planet earth to moan about immigration, the UK approximately colonized 105 countries, killed, displaced and looted as they go.

It was actually online rumours that the killer was an asylum seeker that sparked the initial protests, but nevertheless...

I agree.

The UK is such a terrible, racist place.

1 million immigrants a year is far too small. They need to stop moaning and as reparations for colonisation, they ought to throw open the borders and welcome everyone who wants to come - via air, sea and land. No checks or controls should be necessary as all immigrants are good, honest and a positive contribution.

seuncyrus:


Tim Scott got married two days ago
In an interview Friday with The Post and Courier, Scott said he prayed for a wife nearly every week for the last 30 years. But today he’s grateful to have met Noce exactly when he did. These guys will do anything to save face

pls don't make me laugh, he should come out...

ReesheesuKnack:


it is not sustainable for any country in the world to spend ~ £3,000,000,000:00 only annually on hotels bills for people who enter their country ILLEGALLY. Meanwhile legal residents of that same country are not getting GP appointments.

While this may be an unpopular opinion (here), it is a fact.

Again, I repeat. These wanton attacks and destruction is abhorrent. But, the Govt needs to think very carefully about the grievances the rioting lot may be having.

PS: I am never the one to shy away from holding opinions, especially given the evidence.

I hope that this was not the conversation that you had with your friend, whose husband was attacked with stones.

Zahra29:


It was actually online rumours that the killer was an asylum seeker that sparked the initial protests, but nevertheless...

I agree.

The UK is such a terrible, racist place.

1 million immigrants a year is far too small. They need to stop moaning and as reparations for colonisation, they ought to throw open the borders and welcome everyone who wants to come - via air, sea and land. No checks or controls should be necessary as all immigrants are good, honest and a positive contribution.

Sarcasm will get you nowhere. If you sat on the fence any longer, you’d end up turning into a brick. There is a time and place, and NOW is not the time to be sounding politically correct. A Muslim couple was just chased with a chainsaw, and a large number of people are genuinely afraid for their lives, but here you are finding a way to justify make sense of it with a little sprinkle of “I'm completely against any form of violence or hate.”.

Goodenoch:


First, it's interesting that when you're saying something very different from what you said before, it's because you were 'playing devil's advocate' but for others it's because they're being hypocritical?

Second and more importantly, it may be hilarious to you but it's perfectly logical how recent events have changed people's views. No one here is feeling the fear they're feeling because they've not contributed much to the society or because of their immigration status.

When people internalize that for the rioters and those enabling them with subtle encouragement and justification, the only thing that matters is that you have dark skin and you're therefore automatically an undesirable, is it surprising that they change their views as well?

Thank you!!!

kwakudtraveller:


Sarcasm will get you nowhere. If you sat on the fence any longer, you’d end up turning into a brick. There is a time and place, and NOW is not the time to be sounding politically correct. A Muslim couple was just chased with a chainsaw, and a large number of people are genuinely afraid for their lives, but here you are finding a way to justify make sense of it with a little sprinkle of “I'm completely against any form of violence or hate.”.

You do realise that the MDL has also attacked white Brits. It was on C4 and sky news yesterday, however most people are reasonable to realise that they don't represent the majority.

Lol @ sprinkle. Indeed. You won't be satisfied with whatever I say or how I emphasize it, which is cool. We have agreed to disagree many times.

However it is your own biased view of me that I have justified the rioters and violence. None of my posts have indicated this at all. I echoed the Home Sec's own comments that there are underlying issues which can be highlighted in a peaceful way and I commented that after the riots have subsided there are deep rooted issues that the government will need to address. I have fully supported the robust police action being taken against the rioters, but until I join the police force to arrest them myself, it won't be enough.

Anyways I was wrong and I have seen the light. There are no other issues or concerns at play here. Soon as the rioters are all arrested, all will be rosy again.

Zahra29:


It was actually online rumours that the killer was an asylum seeker that sparked the initial protests, but nevertheless...

I agree.

The UK is such a terrible, racist place.

1 million immigrants a year is far too small. They need to stop moaning and as reparations for colonisation, they ought to throw open the borders and welcome everyone who wants to come - via air, sea and land. No checks or controls should be necessary as all immigrants are good, honest and a positive contribution.

I know but why will you bother to check if the rumours is true or false? He is black so the rumour most be true.

LionInZion:
The irresponsible rioters have unequivocally demonstrated both in words and actions that this is white skins vs people of colour. They care less whether you were born here or through what means you entered, you're a target as long as you don't share the same skin colour. Yet some people on this thread are trying hard to make us think otherwise. Why am I even surprised?

I just hope everyone is staying safe and watchful.

I am trying to make you think otherwise.

We don't care what ignorant nazi fuqs care about. Thankfully, they are a minority.

justwise:


Can you provide any official source to support that claim?

They tell themself lies to justify their bigotry.

Zahra29:


You do realise that the MDL has also attacked white Brits. It was on C4 and sky news yesterday, however most people are reasonable to realise that they don't represent the majority.

Lol @ sprinkle. Indeed. You won't be satisfied with whatever I say or how I emphasize it, which is cool. We have agreed to disagree many times.

However it is your own biased view of me that I have justified the rioters and violence. None of my posts have indicated this at all. I echoed the Home Sec's own comments that there are underlying issues which can be highlighted in a peaceful way and I commented that after the riots have subsided there are deep rooted issues that the government will need to address. I have fully supported the robust police action being taken against the rioters, but until I join the police force to arrest them myself, it won't be enough.

Anyways I was wrong and I have seen the light. There are no other issues or concerns at play here. Soon as the rioters are all arrested, all will be rosy again.

Your whole argument has been “I don’t support the violence,” BUT abc. That, BUT is the problem, especially as this platform is filled with black Africans. If you want to speak from both sides of the mouth, perhaps go to Reddit, where you'll have the "balanced" audience that you are looking for.

I just mentioned the white assailant chasing a Muslim couple with a chainsaw, and now you’ve come with the same "whatsaboutism" of white people also getting attacked as if they are the main target (the same thing Claremont accused you of doing, so now I hope you see the trend).

Besides, no one is asking you to join the force or go out for an anti-protest, so don’t try to play the victim card; everyone expects you to understand their fear and how mentality exhausting it is as opposed to sitting comfortably in the middle with your stomach facing the assailants.

Missjekyll mentioned that they tried to burn down a hotel, and you said she shouldn’t spread fake news. Based on your logic with the fire, they were probably trying to roast corn and not burn the hotel to the ground.

Traffic was being organised based on skin colour, with white people getting access and black and brown people being told they couldn’t go through. If you don’t see the problem with your logic and what is actually happening then I have nothing else to say to you.

Abeg try stay safe and don’t go out to these areas where they are rioting, because remember that you are also dark skinned (according to your posts) before they see you as meat to attack, as you won’t be holding your Nairaland post of defence on your chest for them to see.

missjekyll:


Isn't that what everyone voted for a month ago? Change? Did they need to turn to attempted murder and theft to make an additional point?

I'm certain I missed your point, so apologies in advance.

A month ago, the majority of us voted out the more anti-immigrant Torys, and voted in a more pro-immigrant Labour. The most anti-immigrant Reform Party got a grand total of 5 mps. Some constituencies even elected Muslim mps and mayors.

The change we elected is what these nazis are opposing.

I was just told about a woman who had acid thrown at her from a passing vehicle so best be mindful when walking about as well, people.

The liars that set the nation on fire!

Nigel Farage said he was misled by Andrew Tate and “other folk with big followings” into incorrectly suggesting that the man charged with the Southport killings “was known to security services”.

The Reform UK leader engaged with misleading information that emerged in the wake of the tragic stabbings in the north west which had been allowed to spread across multiple platforms and was amplified by high-profile social media accounts.

Suggestions that the attacker was a Muslim extremist targeting little girls who had come on a boat from Syria and was being monitored by security services became widely shared by people, sparking protests which have now entered their seventh day.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/farage-says-he-was-misled-by-andrew-tate-over-southport-attacker-380493/

budaatum:
The liars that set the nation on fire!

How in the world did an MP allow Andrew tate to mislead him? He should resign..

kkins25:


How in the world did an MP allow Andrew tate to mislead him? He should resign..

Farage will not resign, and the party he leads can't exactly remove the whip. It does put egg on his face though, and will haunt him going forward.

kwakudtraveller:

I hope that this was not the conversation that you had with your friend, whose husband was attacked with stones. 

In my training, I have been taught to look at things in the round. I am never ever a one-sided kinda woman. Never. I cannot see black but call it white because I am black. Or see green and call it red because red is the colour of the party or football club that I support.

ReesheesuKnack:


In my training, I have been taught to look at things in the round. I am never ever a one-sided kinda woman. Never. I cannot see black but call it white because I am black. Or see green and call it red because red is the colour of the party or football club that I support.

Perhaps you should also take training on emotional intelligence.

ReesheesuKnack:


In my training, I have been taught to look at things in the round. I am never ever a one-sided kinda woman. Never. I cannot see black but call it white because I am black. Or see green and call it red because red is the colour of the party or football club that I support.

That's not what you were asked though.

Your training must have also taught you to respond to questions with empty answers that say a lot but mean nothing, because you seem very good at it. I don't mean that to be offensive BTW - It's actually a good skill to have in some professions.

The question you were asked is "is that what you told your friend whose husband was attacked"?

Or, if your husband was attacked, would you tell him "darling sorry about this gash in your head but did you know that the government is spending 8 million on asylum seekers daily? And in fact did you also know that the UK is not training as many nurses as it needs? Those are the underlying issues why you were attacked"

budaatum:


I'm certain I missed your point, so apologies in advance.

A month ago, the majority of us voted out the more anti-immigrant Torys, and voted in a more pro-immigrant Labour. The most anti-immigrant Reform Party got a grand total of 5 mps. Some constituencies even elected Muslim mps and mayors.

The change we elected is what these nazis are opposing.

@ the bolded
That’s the problem. Facts & figures don’t matter. Just keep regurgitating lines without evidence.

Rishi Sunak (CONSERVATIVES) is "the most liberal prime minister we've ever had on immigration".

Guess who made the quote above?
If you know who made that quote, you will see why your argument above falls like a pack of cards.

When it comes to immigration, the Tories are damned if they do, damned if they don’t. The Tories are/were accused by folks like you to be anti-immigration. Meanwhile, the Labour Leader (as of June 4 2024) accused the Tory prime minister of being the most immigration-liberal PM the UK has ever had. Shuoooo…

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tax-immigration-keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-leader-tv-debates-general-election-b1162131.html#


PS: If not for the very friendly and liberal immigration policies of the Tories (such as Health Care Visa, unbundling the tier-2 visa, Global talent visa etc…) a lot, lot of immigrants (including many on this thread) wouldn’t have immigrated to the UK.
Under the Tories, net (LEGAL) migration for Last year was over 650,000. Yet, some folks still keep rehashing the lines that Tories are anti-migration and Labour is pro-migration.

Goodenoch:


That's not what you were asked though.

Your training must have also taught you to respond to questions with empty answers that say a lot but mean nothing, because you seem very good at it. I don't mean that to be offensive BTW - It's actually a good skill to have in some professions.

The question you were asked is "is that what you told your friend whose husband was attacked"?

Or, if your husband was attacked, would you tell him "darling sorry about this gash in your head but did you know that the government is spending 8 million on asylum seekers daily? And in fact did you also know that the UK is not training as many nurses as it needs? Those are the underlying issues why you were attacked"

You did not notice that those were 2 different posts by me?
The second post was me writing about part of the long term solutions (which every reasonable govt the world over should) to the problems outlined in the first post.

I notice that no one has yet justified that it is okay for any country to spend £8,000,000:00 per day on hotels for Illegal migrants/asylum seekers.

kwakudtraveller:

Perhaps you should also take training on emotional intelligence.

Thanks for your recommendation. But I already have that. In abundance. Unless if your definition of emotional intelligence means only people who agree with your opinions are emotionally intelligent.