hustla:
I remember being on this thread, ranting about how immigrants, especially legal immigrants like students are portrayed by the English media...

I also remember some people here defending their racist actions and portrayal of immigrants, same people who now would be afraid to go out due to the anti immigrant protests going on right now

I hope we can all see that no matter the spree spree English you speak with your nose and the government you defend cos you feel you're now part of them, you're still black and a bloody immigrant at the end of the day

Light n*gga, dark n*gga, faux n*gga, real n*gga
Rich n*gga, poor n*gga , house n*gga, field n*gga..
... Still n*gga

AgentXxx:
Zahra29

The main issue people are having with your comment which you seems not to grab is the timing of your arguments. It should come later when it is all calm and not at the moment when POC are living in fear being harmed or maimed.

If your family were in the position of harm during this riot, I believe you wouldn’t come here defending why they were being attacked.

An important aspect of emotional intelligence is timing.

AgentXxx:
Zahra29

The main issue people are having with your comment which you seems not to grab is the timing of your arguments. It should come later when it is all calm and not at the moment when POC are living in fear being harmed or maimed.

If your family were in the position of harm during this riot, I believe you wouldn’t come here defending why they were being attacked.

An important aspect of emotional intelligence is timing.

Zahra29:


Sorry to hear about the challenges you've been going through and I pray you have a positive outcome very soon.

What are the criteria for the egg donor e.g. maximum age, BMI, genotype etc, as this could help people establish if they are suitable or if they know someone who might be.

missjekyll:



Lol.
The only indigenes here are the celts. Everyone else came here from somewhere including the Anglo-Saxons .

Yes,it's my country too. I ve earned the right to call it that and demand all the privileges that affords me with audacity. Anyone who tries to say otherwise and deprive me of those privileges ll meet me in court.

Don't be scared. It's your country too. Noone can act otherwise .

Just in passing: you weren't among the people saying Yoruba Ronu during the last election ,were you? because that was bs too

ReesheesuKnack:


@ the bolded
That’s the problem. Facts & figures don’t matter. Just keep regurgitating lines without evidence.

Rishi Sunak (CONSERVATIVES) is "the most liberal prime minister we've ever had on immigration".

Guess who made the quote above?
If you know who made that quote, you will see why your argument above falls like a pack of cards.

lavida001:


Na online you dey. You fit dey talk all you like to make yourself happy. When people wey get country ready, I go see whether you go ask dem if they are Celtics or rangers.

Na dem I blame sha wey open doors. If them no take time dem go collect country for them hand.

Most of the things dey tolerate can’t happen in other the so called Asian countries.

Make I mind my African and Nigerian business jejely.

budaatum:

You might as well quote Kamala Harris to prove Biden is racist too, when they will tell you it's debate rhetoric.

Some of us can never forget the anti-immigrant laws going back to Margaret Thatcher, who made it possible for white commonwealths to continue to come here while black commonwealths were not, or Johnson's comments about burqas, and all their black washing wouldn't change that, not even after they reluctantly nominated Sunak as their leader whom they rejected until Truss blew them up.

ReesheesuKnack:


The UK has welcomed more immigrants during Tory rule than during all non-Tory rules combined.
In 1 year of Tory rule alone, net migration was over 650,000. Tell me any non-Tory government that has ever done that?
The Number of Nigerians (alone) that migrated to the UK (under a Tory health & care visa) within the last 2 years is in hundreds of thousands.

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lavida001:


Na online you dey. You fit dey talk all you like to make yourself happy. When people wey get country ready, I go see whether you go ask dem if they are Celtics or rangers.

Na dem I blame sha wey open doors. If them no take time dem go collect country for them hand.

Most of the things dey tolerate can’t happen in other the so called Asian countries.

Make I mind my African and Nigerian business jejely.

Hkana:
I don't like how the thread has suddenly taken a Everyone else-against-Zahra turn. She's expressed her opinions which she's entitled to and everyone else is as well entitled to theirs.
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Hkana:
I don't like how the thread has suddenly taken a Everyone else-against-Zahra turn. She's expressed her opinions which she's entitled to and everyone else is as well entitled to theirs.
But the way it now seems as if everyone else is trying to have a go at her isn't right. With the tone of the messages, you guys would inflict bodily harm if she was close.

The fact that she's taking all the heat as they come shouldn't stop you guys from taking a pause. She has not said the far right guys are right. She's been a really helpful member of this community and if everyone else gangs up against her for daring to hold a different view to the popular sentiments here then we'd not be any different from these far righters.

It's scary out there, yes. I was paranoid walking back home from the mosque tonight but that shouldn't be enough reason to vent on some poor lady who's as much a victim as the rest of us.

AgentXxx:
Zahra29

The main issue people are having with your comment which you seems not to grab is the timing of your arguments. It should come later when it is all calm and not at the moment when POC are living in fear being harmed or maimed.

If your family were in the position of harm during this riot, I believe you wouldn’t come here defending why they were being attacked.

An important aspect of emotional intelligence is timing.

Hkana:
I don't like how the thread has suddenly taken a Everyone else-against-Zahra turn. She's expressed her opinions which she's entitled to and everyone else is as well entitled to theirs.
But the way it now seems as if everyone else is trying to have a go at her isn't right. With the tone of the messages, you guys would inflict bodily harm if she was close.

The fact that she's taking all the heat as they come shouldn't stop you guys from taking a pause. She has not said the far right guys are right. She's been a really helpful member of this community and if everyone else gangs up against her for daring to hold a different view to the popular sentiments here then we'd not be any different from these far righters.

It's scary out there, yes. I was paranoid walking back home from the mosque tonight but that shouldn't be enough reason to vent on some poor lady who's as much a victim as the rest of us.

Raalsalghul:


In addition, she could also work on the tone of her message.

It's not all about what is being said but also "how" it is being said. She is right on her stances but delivery is so out of touch given the audience on this thread.

Pass your message across but sprinkle it with doses of empathy. No be everytime, logic logic logic or trying to make a point.

Logic delivered in the wrong manner can be vehemently rejected. Know your audience!

My two cents!

Goodenoch:
I think the new spiel about people piling on Zahra is absurd because as far as I can see the responses have been focused on their arguments and not personal in nature for the most part.

But just to clear the air with regard to why I (I'm not speaking for anyone else) won't engage with Treadway or Gerard - it's simply because I consider them unfit to engage.

One of them a few pages ago was calling people here apes unprovoked. Nobody insulted him or anything. The other one manages to weave potshots at Muslims into every post. I made the decision not to engage either one for any reason since then.

I'm happy to debate and disagree however strongly but I'll not speak with people whose baseline is disrespect or bigotry and contribute to this place becoming an online beer parlor.

lavida001:


I laugh at your own country. This are the things you lots say that pisses them off. You get British passport doesn’t make it your country. We all know who the natives are, you are just a British passport holder the indigenes know themselves.

Zahra29:


Fair enough.

I'm curious though, Gerrard59's intelligent posts are [b]way more direct than mine - on this issue, and more broadly on migration topics. Have you delivered this same advice to him, or you haven't noticed/ don't mind as you're friendly with him?[/b]

Have you said the same to Treadway who also delivers on point but very direct, sometimes even harsh, to work on his tone and be more empathetic/softer?

LionInZion:


Thank you for bringing this up. There are two things I noticed in the video you shared (if the story is true): one - failure on the part of the government to prevent a chronic criminal from having access to its boders let alone their country. two - a chronic criminal who should be behind bars but is enjoying undue freedom and could wreak another havoc sooner or later. Now, should these two situations get people angry? Heck yes! Who should the anger be directed at? The govt who failed to do its work, and the criminal himself. Would it be right to now start attacking random people on the street who look like the criminal? Definitely not - and that is the point of the whole argument on the UK issue. Yes I agree with you that criminal act should be condemned outright and the dimwit who stabbed those three innocent girls should rot in jail because I feel bad for the news as if those girls were mine, and I will get personal with anyone trying to excuse the dastard act under whatever guide.

Now, to your last paragraph, what makes you think the first and second-generation immigrants aren't pressuring politicians/parties to be hard on criminals? I asked because I don't think there is an identification mark that shows the immigration status of people condemning/condoning criminal acts. Let's even say they aren't, why should that be counted against them. It may interest you that many migrants only want a safe place to work and provide for their families and care less about politics. And if that's the path they chose, why should it be counted against them?

KOVIC19COVID20:
In other news…

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/07/shamima-begum-supreme-court-refuses-hear-citizenship-appeal

Isn’t it time to stop wasting tax payers money to lawyers launching these baseless appeals?
There is a concept in Arabic/islam called قدر. Basically about embracing fate. Can’t this girl just embrace qadar and believe that the almighty Allah (SWT) has destined for her to live in Syria ?

Gerrard59:

I can see I have been identified as a troublemaker on this thread. But this post got my interest.

There is a difference between being British and English. You can be a British citizen, but it does not make you English. Ethnicity and nationality are two different concepts. Aside from African Americans because their case is different, it is always black people in the diaspora I see trying to dissociate themselves from where they originally come from based on their passports. We know why.
Chinese in the West are always quick to point out they are from Mainland China and here in Japan, they tell you they are ethnically Chinese even though they possess Japanese nationality and speak fluent Japanese.

If na our people, you for don hear say I am Japanese. But do you look Japanese?

KOVIC19COVID20:
In other news…

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/07/shamima-begum-supreme-court-refuses-hear-citizenship-appeal

Isn’t it time to stop wasting tax payers money to lawyers launching these baseless appeals?
There is a concept in Arabic/islam called قدر. Basically about embracing fate. Can’t this girl just embrace qadar and believe that the almighty Allah (SWT) has destined for her to live in Syria ?

missjekyll:


I see. Anyone who expresses an opinion should be ready to defend their position and take all the smoke associated with it. That goes for you too

Not a single one of those comments made a physical threat against her.

May I suggest that you take her aside (as her friend and supporter) and advice her that not every argument is good for "devil's advocate" .

I m typing this from my home/bunker where I m currently holed up in terror. Forgive me for my lack of patience with "devil's advocates".

Gerrard59:

I can see I have been identified as a troublemaker on this thread. But this post got my interest.

There is a difference between being British and English. You can be a British citizen, but it does not make you English. Ethnicity and nationality are two different concepts. Aside from African Americans because their case is different, it is always black people in the diaspora I see trying to dissociate themselves from where they originally come from based on their passports. We know why.
Chinese in the West are always quick to point out they are from Mainland China and here in Japan, they tell you they are ethnically Chinese even though they possess Japanese nationality and speak fluent Japanese.

If na our people, you for don hear say I am Japanese. But do you look Japanese?

Raalsalghul:


Don't get me wrong, your posts contain some hard, undisputable facts which I myself have benefited from. It's your delivery and timing you might want to look at (that's if you give a flying Bleep. )

kwakudtraveller:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.