KingCold:
You're a tribalistic country and yet you yap everyday about xenophobia...don't you people get tired of this hypocrisy?

who is this weyrey, Bleep off mention Akuya.

1stGenAmerican:


That helps me understand things much better. I want to thank you for the way you provided Me with an explanation without namecalling, threats,
or insults, something that I’m used to getting on this forum. We need more monikers like you.

Latest news. She has withdrawn from the competition as she should.

We wish her all the blessings and opportunity the world has to offer.

Retribution will revisit those who carry hatred in their hearts.

NaijaPrince18:

So all Igbos are good abi. Igbos are the most evil tribe in Nigeria

Oh, I know you and your people are evil and a zombies but know that other people like Igbos are not like you.

They are good humans and nothing you do or say can change that.

fergie001:
ONGOING HOME AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION FINDS PRIMA FACIE Indications OF FRAUD COMMITTED BY CHIDIMMA ADETSHINA’S MOTHER



Department of Home Affairs - Republic of South Africa

PREVIOUS THREADS:
https://www.nairaland.com/8169895/cant-nigerian-compete-miss-sa#131225793

https://www.nairaland.com/8162905/chidimma-adetshina-makes-top-13#131105594

Adetshina could not have participated in the alleged unlawful actions of her mother, as she was an infant at the time when the activities took place in 2001;

An innocent South African mother, whose identity may have been stolen as part of the alleged fraud committed by Adetshina’s mother, suffered as a result because she could not register her child;

This is the information in quote from the SA government. Which is total BS btw!!!!
It specifically states ”an innocent South African mother” please what does that innocently make Chidinma Adetshina please ?? Because I’m confused. Or is her mother not South African again?

NonsenseRubbish:

Adetshina could not have participated in the alleged unlawful actions of her mother, as she was an infant at the time when the activities took place in 2001;

An innocent South African mother, whose identity may have been stolen as part of the alleged fraud committed by Adetshina’s mother, suffered as a result because she could not register her child;

This is the information in quote from the SA government. Which is total BS btw!!!!
It specifically states ”an innocent South African mother” please what does that innocently make Chidinma Adetshina please ?? Because I’m confused. Or is her mother not South African again?

what likely happened was her mother was a mozambican national who was able to register her citizenship using another person's identity.

This act does not necessarily preclude her from South African citizenship as her father is currently legal in the country and she was born in South africa pre 2013 regardless of her mothers fraud.

It is likely that Home affairs will not pursue the case of her citizenship but will pursue the case of her mother's which will sit in court for a couple of years until everybody forgets about this case.

Their plan is for her to quit with all these controversies which won’t stop btw. Now it’s up to her to quit or not ??
Shame on SA for this

NonsenseRubbish:
Their plan is for her to quit with all these controversies which won’t stop btw. Now it’s up to her to quit or not ??
Shame on SA for this

South Africans believe that they are not being put first by their government and have become nationalistic in outcome. The closet people next t them are African foreigners so they target these groups.

I personally believe a lot of foreign nationals should return to their countries or seek refuge else where.

Treadway:
As I opined in the earlier threads on the subject..

If this girl had any sense at all, she would willingly pull out of this shi....but I suspect she doesn't have sense.

Maybe when they give you some major stress and trauma to deal with, you'll have sense.

If a beautiful girl called Nthamelo with obvious SA roots can't be Miss Nigeria, you Chidimma Adeshina have no business being Miss SA.

Simple.

The nerve!

Dumb talk 🤦‍♂️
Shows a lot about your character too. Also by saying she doesn’t have sense because she’s fighting for something she’s worked for and believes in even though she could quit anyday shows you are also fickle spirited.

All this “if” talk about a girl named Ntamelo is just dumb, it hasn’t happened and I’m sure Nigeria will do better than what these SA’s are doing ..

Sepukku:


what likely happened was her mother was a mozambican national who was able to register her citizenship using another person's identity.

This act does not necessarily preclude her from South African citizenship as her father is currently legal in the country and she was born in South africa pre 2013 regardless of her mothers fraud.

It is likely that Home affairs will not pursue the case of her citizenship but will pursue the case of her mother's which will sit in court for a couple of years until everybody forgets about this case.

Their has been no indication that she is Mozambican. It was clearly stated there that she is South African involved in crimes of fraud and identity theft. Her birth and schooling and tax records are there as proof. Anyways all these are just propaganda from SA’s home office to force her out.
Shame on SA for this still

NonsenseRubbish:

Their has been no indication that she is Mozambican. It was clearly stated there that she is South African involved in crimes of fraud and identity theft. Her birth and schooling and tax records are there as proof. Anyways all these are just propaganda from SA’s home office to force her out.
Shame on SA for this still

Her mother has been identified as a Mozambican who has been alleged to have used someone else's identity to register as a citizen.

Chidinma is born and raised in South African and in all essence is South African however anyone wants to look at it much like a lebanese born in Nigeria who has spend their entire existence in Nigerian but does not speak a Nigerian language.

What is apparent is that there is a dislike for African foreign nationals in South Africa because of the distribution of resources and they try to mask this xenophobia in the guise of putting South Africans first.

I don't know who is putting them second or third?

wizelink:
Anyway you points have been made previously by many well meaning Nigerians but the implementation has been the issue. The well celebrated new electoral law ended up being maradoned by the corrupt politicians during 2023 elections.

^^^
Only Nigerians can fix Nigeria. Nobody else can...and nobody else will.

We have to put in the work of holding leadership accountable...and make no mistake about it - it will be costly. But there is no other way.

wizelink:
My dear, you write as if you aren't resident in Nigeria where everything goes. There is no rule of law as long as you are with them. The rule of law applies ONLY to the poor, vulnerable and oppositions.

In my area, people came out massively to vote particularly, the elderly that have lost faith in the entity called Nigeria. At end, there hope was dashed by schemes of the greedy and corrupt politicians and institution.

^^^
We have to put in the work. It will be bloody and it will be costly but we have to put in the work.

Only Nigerians can make this thing work. The rest of the world isn't really interested in Nigeria's internal contradictions. They have their own problems and certainly do not want Nigerian immigrants "taking their jobs" or putting pressure on their public/social services. Nigerians have to fix this mess or we'll just keep bouncing around the globe, enduring insult after insult from people in other countries.

wizelink:
Nigeria is so rotten that no measure can redeem her to the old glories. This is because everything is seen with the lens of tribe and religion. Once the people in power are from your tribe, you ceased to critique the administration even when their failure is clear to the blind.

^^^
Fair point...but like I said, the rest of the world doesn't really care.

This thread (like so many others) ended up as a shouting match between Nigerians and South Africans. This is a massive waste of time. On threads like these, Nigerians end up giving unwanted history lessons to other people who simply do not care to listen. Other countries simply do not care about Nigeria's many problems - these countries simply want to preserve economic and social opportunities for their own people.

Only Nigerians can fix their country's problems. Nobody else can and nobody else will.

Sepukku:
I highly doubt many Nigerians are concerned about this particular situation. What you will notice however is that a lot of these controversies emanate from the South Africans themselves.

^^^
True.

But my bigger point still stands - Nigerians need to fix Nigeria in order to create opportunities for Nigerians. Nobody hears South Africans complaining about Japanese or Danish nationals. Why?

Sepukku:
There is a perceived hate and yes I am calling it that for foreigners in that country and the spirit of it has been left unchallenged for a good period of time.

^^^
Fair point.

But in the end, its their country. South Africa belongs to South Africans. Of course xenophobia and racism should always be called out for what it is but in the end, you can't force people to love you. (It gets even more complicated when you aren't exactly 'lovable' ). In the end, its their country. The solution is to fix the part of the world we call our own so that Nigerians can come home to live.

Fujiyama:


^^^
True.

But my bigger point still stands - Nigerians need to fix Nigeria in order to create opportunities for Nigerians. Nobody hears South Africans complaining about Japanese or Danish nationals. Why?

The fixing of Nigeria and the xenophobia that exists in South Africa are 2 different issues entirely. Nigerians do need to fix the country but even if they did, this does not mean that all Nigerians will return back to the country because of increased opportunities.

Case in point being; Mexico, Brazil, Colombia and fairly developed countries but you do see a good amount of their poor class emigrating to European and the United States.

The issue with immigration in South Africa lies in the complex conundrum created between protecting Human dignity and human rights and allowing for the entrenching of citizenship rights.

Fujiyama:

^^^
Fair point.

But in the end, its their country. South Africa belongs to South Africans. Of course xenophobia and racism should always be called out for what it is but in the end, you can't force people to love you. (It gets even more complicated when you aren't exactly 'lovable' ). In the end, its their country. The solution is to fix the part of the world we call our own so that Nigerians can come home to live.

Noone is claiming South Africa for themselves. What is in play is the distribution of resources amongst those who live in that country. I have no issue with South Africans being put first in terms of the distribution of these resources. What i do hate are people who project their short comings on others who really have not done anything to them in particular.

Go after the criminal syndicates who use the porous laws to move money in and out of the country. Go after the criminal drug cartels. Go after the Western, Middle eastern, Libyans who circumvent the laws of the country.

Please leave a young lady who was born in your country and knows no where else to call home but what she has grown up in to become the best of what she can become.

Sepukku:

The fixing of Nigeria and the xenophobia that exists in South Africa are 2 different issues entirely. Nigerians do need to fix the country but even if they did, this does not mean that all Nigerians will return back to the country because of increased opportunities.

^^^
Yes they are two different things but one feeds off the other. Quite a number of Nigerians in South Africa are economic migrants. Fix Nigeria's problems, get Nigerians to come back home...and South African 'xenophobia' will no longer be an issue for many Nigerians. It'll become (or remain) someone else's problem. Still a problem that should be called out, but not one that directly affects a large number of Nigerians.

You are right about not all Nigerians returning home if opportunities do increase here in Nigeria...but those Nigerians who choose not to return are then better able to negotiate with their host countries. Remember my question about Japanese and Danish nationals? Let me even use the Chinese since Chinese nationals can be found all over the globe. Because of China's status, her nationals living abroad are able to negotiate with their hosts from a position of strength. (Sadly, this often doesn't work out well for 3rd world host countries like Nigeria...Chinese companies are notorious for breaking every expatriate labour law in the book. But that's a topic for another thread). Nigerians living abroad simply do not have the same negotiating power as the Chinese. If Nigeria gets her act together, its a win for all Nigerians - whether they choose to remain abroad or to come back home.

Sepukku:
The issue with immigration in South Africa lies in the complex conundrum created between protecting Human dignity and human rights and allowing for the entrenching of citizenship rights.

Noone is claiming South Africa for themselves. What is in play is the distribution of resources amongst those who live in that country. I have no issue with South Africans being put first in terms of the distribution of these resources. What i do hate are people who project their short comings on others who really have not done anything to them in particular.

^^^
Unfortunately, it is what it is.

Resources are limited and its human nature for people to fight hard and dirty for what's 'theirs'. South Africa hasn't quite delivered on the promise of black economic empowerment after the fall of apartheid, and this has led to widespread distrust and resentment of 'foreigners'. This resentment may be illogical and short sighted in some respects...but it is what it is.

Nigerians are even late to the 'party' so to speak. It was migrant miners and workers from Zimbabwe and other countries on the southern tip of the continent who initially bore the brunt of simmering South African anger towards immigrants. That was decades ago and its only gotten worse over time. If ever there was a time that Nigeria needed to get it together, the time is now.

Sepukku:
Please leave a young lady who was born in your country and knows no where else to call home but what she has grown up in to become the best of what she can become.

^^^
I sympathize with this young lady for becoming a pawn and a political football - I understand she has withdrawn from the competition. Unfortunately, these are the times in which we live.

Fujiyama:


^^^
Yes they are two different things but one feeds off the other. Quite a number of Nigerians in South Africa are economic migrants. Fix Nigeria's problems, get Nigerians to come back home...and South African 'xenophobia' will no longer be an issue for many Nigerians. It'll become (or remain) someone else's problem. Still a problem that should be called out, but not one that directly affects a large number of Nigerians.

You are right about not all Nigerians returning home if opportunities increase here in Nigeria...but then those Nigerians who choose not to return are then better able to negotiate with their host countries. Remember my question about Japanese and Danish nationals? Let me even use the Chinese since Chinese nationals can be found all over the globe. Because of China's status, her nationals are able to negotiate from a position of strength. (Sadly, this often doesn't work out well for 3rd world countries like Nigeria...Chinese companies are notorious for breaking every expatriate labour law in the book. But that's a topic for another thread). If Nigeria gets her act together, its a win for all Nigerians - whether they choose to remain abroad or to come back home.

I have not rebuttal. You are right on this as far as negotiating power is concerned.

Fujiyama:

Unfortunately, it is what it is.

Resources are limited and its human nature for people to fight hard and dirty for what's 'theirs'. South Africa hasn't quite delivered on the promise of black economic empowerment after the fall of apartheid, and this has led to widespread distrust and resentment of 'foreigners'.

Nigerians are even late to the 'party' so to speak. It was migrant miners and workers from Zimbabwe and other countries on the southern tip of the continent who initially bore the brunt of simmering South African anger towards immigrants. And its only gotten worse over time. If ever there was a time that Nigeria needed to get it together, the time is now.

i have worked with many immigrant groups in South Africa and sympathize with their plight, I have seen the day to day lives they live and the struggles they go through. It's not as rosy as many make it out to be in South Africa. For the most part they are economic migrants as opposed to refugees but what I do notice is that for all the so called scramble for resources most South Africans complain about, I find that argument a misplace justification for lazy people who are mostly angry at their government and awaiting handouts.

Most of these South Africans who complain about loosing jobs to foreigner are on the semi skilled to no skilled level and are usually offered the same opportunities as the migrants for equal pay. The rest of the Foreigners they are complaining about are entrepreneurs who have figured out how to take advantage of the opportunities abundant in the economic system of the country such as pakistanis, Somali and Nigerians ( excluding the Nigerian criminal element).

The foreign criminal elements that exist in the country are as a result of the lapse in law enforcement. These elk I do not have much sympathy for and whatever needs to be done to get them out I am in support of.

The last would be the drain on the health care systems in the country. I agree that citizens should be priortrized first as far as services are concerned and this is where the biggest conundrum lies for me having worked in humanitarian services. It is difficult to see sick mozambican woman dying in hospital and because she is a foreigner you ask her she cannot come into a hospital because you want to serve your own people. Who's life is more important in this case?

I do accept there is a migrant problem in the country however Xenophobia unchecked is going to result in the loss of innocent lives and the same discrimination that was fought for to be eradicated in SOuth AFrica reentrenched in the new class of "nationalists" emerging in the country.

Fujiyama:

^^^
I sympathize with this young lady for becoming a pawn and a political football - I understand she has withdrawn from the competition. Unfortunately, these are the times in which we live.

I do too, not only the fact that she is Nigerian but that fact that this hatred will begin to reverberates across other mixed heritage nationalities across the country.


I hate cannot stand facist ideology.

Sepukku:
Most of these South Africans who complain about loosing jobs to foreigner are on the semi skilled to no skilled level and are usually offered the same opportunities as the migrants for equal pay. The rest of the Foreigners they are complaining about are entrepreneurs who have figured out how to take advantage of the opportunities abundant in the economic system of the country such as pakistanis, Somali and Nigerians ( excluding the Nigerian criminal element).

^^^
This is true.

Sepukku:
The last would be the drain on the health care systems in the country. I agree that citizens should be priortrized first as far as services are concerned and this is where the biggest conundrum lies for me having worked in humanitarian services. It is difficult to see sick mozambican woman dying in hospital and because she is a foreigner you ask her she cannot come into a hospital because you want to serve your own people. Who's life is more important in this case?

^^^
This must be hard to deal with.

Sepukku:
I do accept there is a migrant problem in the country however Xenophobia unchecked is going to result in the loss of innocent lives and the same discrimination that was fought for to be eradicated in SOuth AFrica reentrenched in the new class of "nationalists" emerging in the country.

^^^
Interesting angle...although I doubt if it will happen.

I don't see a hard, far right nationalist movement (like how Malema was in the beginning) seizing power. I could be wrong but I think a more likely outcome will be rumbling here and there and some remedial action by different governments. But SA voters electing right wing nationalists? I doubt.

But then I could be wrong.

Fujiyama:


^^^
This is true.



^^^
This must be hard to deal with.



^^^
Interesting angle...although I doubt if it will happen.

I don't see a hard, far right nationalist movement (like how Malema was in the beginning) seizing power. I could be wrong but I think a more likely outcome will be rumbling here and there and some remedial action by different governments. But SA voters electing right wing nationalists? I doubt.

But then I could be wrong.

The patriotic allliance and ActionSA are right leaning political parties headed in the direction of far right rhetoric. Far right in terms of nationalist ideologies masked as patriotism.

I follow politics there and can tell you its gaining momentum.

fergie001:
ONGOING HOME AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION FINDS PRIMA FACIE Indications OF FRAUD COMMITTED BY CHIDIMMA ADETSHINA’S MOTHER



Department of Home Affairs - Republic of South Africa

PREVIOUS THREADS:
https://www.nairaland.com/8169895/cant-nigerian-compete-miss-sa#131225793

https://www.nairaland.com/8162905/chidimma-adetshina-makes-top-13#131105594

African authorities..

Once they are against you, just forget it.

Even the crime of your cousins would be used against you.

swiych:
Everybody is forming saint, I love the fact that she's bearing full names from each tribe that loves fooling themselves the most on social media, now, none of them wants to abuse eachother LOL. Thank you Chidimma Adetshina for confusing those tribes, first time I see them having sense on nl.

Honestly I agree with you and you deserve more than just Like for pointing out a salient truth. The usual suspects don't know whether to stick or twist on her matter. I can imagine them reading the name and their brains setting and resetting as the normal default abuse mode can't be activated.

Someone jokingly suggested she comes back to Nigeria. I think she should, with names like that and her history, she will do very OK here.

I sha know if she competes for political office against Chinedu Gbadebo anywhere in Ali'gbo or Ala Yoruba, she is winning hands down,

aswani:


Honestly I agree with you and you deserve more than just Like for pointing out a salient truth. The usual suspects don't know whether to stick or twist on her matter. I can imagine them reading the name and their brains setting and resetting as the normal default abuse mode can't be activated.

Someone jokingly suggested she comes back to Nigeria. I think she should, with names like that and her history, she will do very OK here.

I sha know if she competes for political office against Chinedu Gbadebo anywhere in Ali'gbo or Ala Yoruba, she is winning hands down,

You really understood my point, I remembered when that Mmesonma incident happened, it was a warfare btw both tribes.

KingCold:
You are criminals, that's the crux of your appalling reputation, not only in South Africa but worldwide...Why are Nigerians banned in some countries? deported? or subject to numerous checks at airports? Your guess is as good as mine

GO LET SOMEBODY WITH BRAIN EDUCATE YOU.


SHE HAS LEFT THE PAGEANT, I HOPE YOUR WORLD IS NOW COMPLETE.

U ARE ALL RICH NOW, U WON LOTTO.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2yxeWSr-Nw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eu-z2emw7M

legitnow1:



GO LET SOMEBODY WITH BRAIN EDUCATE YOU.


SHE HAS LEFT THE PAGEANT, I HOPE YOUR WORLD IS NOW COMPLETE.

U ARE ALL RICH NOW, U WON LOTTO.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2yxeWSr-Nw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eu-z2emw7M

And these videos are to prove ?

KingCold:
And these videos are to prove ?

NIGGA, I ALWAY THOUGHT OF YOU SA ON NAIRALAND AS FAMILY, UP UNTIL NOW.


WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR PROBLEM OVER THERE?

legitnow1:
NIGGA, I ALWAY THOUGHT OF YOU SA ON NAIRALAND AS FAMILY, UP UNTIL NOW.


WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR PROBLEM OVER THERE?

The question Im asking a simple one

KingCold:
The question Im asking a simple one

NO, U CANT JUST COME ON A NIGERIAN FORUM TO ASK QUESTION.


RESPECT YOUR HOST.



NOW, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

legitnow1:


NO, U CANT JUST COME ON A NIGERIAN FORUM TO ASK QUESTION.


RESPECT YOUR HOST.



NOW, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

This is rich coming from Nigerian.. Which laws of any host nation do you respect?

legitnow1:
NIGGA, I ALWAY THOUGHT OF YOU SA ON NAIRALAND AS FAMILY, UP UNTIL NOW.


WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR PROBLEM OVER THERE?

They say their government is not putting them first and supporting illegal immigrants.

Sepukku:


They say their government is not putting them first and supporting illegal immigrants.

SO IT IS THE FIRST MIXED NIGERIA CONTESTING ON MISS SA BASED ON HER NATURAL LOOKS THAT WILL SOLVE THEIR POVERTY ABI?


MISPLACED PPRIORITY!

KingCold:
This is rich coming from Nigerian.. Which laws of any host nation do you respect?

HONESTLY, TO SAY U BLACK SA ARE A DISAPPOINTMENT IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

legitnow1:



SO IT IS THE FIRST MIXED NIGERIA CONTESTING ON MISS SA BASED ON HER NATURAL LOOKS THAT WILL SOLVE THEIR POVERTY ABI?


MISPLACED PPRIORITY!

THey will do anything even pick on an innocent Nigerian-Mozambican girl to get their point across to their government.

Unfortunately innocents like this young lady will suffer the consequences of their dissatisfaction and then they want us to have any sort of empathy with their plight.

Sepukku:


THey will do anything even pick on an innocent Nigerian-Mozambican girl to get their point across to their government.

Unfortunately innocents like this young lady will suffer the consequences of their dissatisfaction and then they want us to have any sort of empathy with their plight.

AND SHUT UP THEIR MOUTH WHEN THIS CHINESE LADY IS CROWNED MISS SA.



IT IS REALLY SAD.


I FELT SO BAD FOR CHIDINMA.

legitnow1:


HONESTLY, TO SAY U BLACK SA ARE A DISAPPOINTMENT IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

Yet you're the African nationality despised and hated all over the world 😂