dupyshoo:
Where have you been? Welcome back.

Putting 2 and 2 together offline so everything go "c'est bon" as men dey talk for my area

Thanks!

dupyshoo:
@hustla, where are you? Have you got the cybersecurity job?
Just checking as it has been a while

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There is trade for eb2 here.Whats your qualification?

hustla:



Yes, I have

Thanks for checking in

Btw, if you are on this thread and currently working towards global talent, EB2 NIW or something similar, kindly share tips, scopes and stuff you submitted as proof.

The Indians have those routes on lock down and it wont be bad if we can share info too

Jah bless

hustla:
Dream big

You didnt come this far to settle for less



NB - Thats not me o, just came across said guy on LinkedIn

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Jannyfranc:
There is trade for eb2 here.Whats your qualification?

What do you mean trade my Lord sir?

dupyshoo:
The ones I attended uni did not even apply for psw. The left for China immediately after their courses. Their parents own manufacturing coys in China and were waiting for them to get foreign certificate and put them as head of the coys.

While Nigerians and Indians were struggling to get COS, they just did not care as they had no intention of staying back.

They came with top electronics gadgets and phones and were very rich.

TBH, these are just top 5-10% of their population, which translates to millions of them. A lot of their population cannot afford to leave China.

Lool, this just reminded me of my Chinese friend back in Uni days- Jerry. Very wealthy but oh wow so unserious. He used to say that as long as he graduated and got his certificate that's what mattered, the degree classification wasn't important lol. He's probably a Government minister in China now 😂

hustla:


My exact issue with them at the time and now.. Even Trump that has a large mouth largely classified and mentioned illegal immigrants, never attacked students or constantly ridiculed them in the media

Forking out thousands of pounds, shuffling school and work, taking care of their own elderly, paying taxes through the nose and all we get is insults in the media

O wrong naw!

The propagandists will soon be here to remind us why we no kuku stay naija say we force us come, omo I don tire at this stage, don’t even give a damn any longer. Am even ready if they wan chase everyone out. Bunch of hostile cowards!

jedisco:


Thank you for this, I find it soul destroying when I see black folks take a guilty look when migration is discussed. Despite the fact that a miniscule number of Africans have ever left their abode, it's somehow made out that moving around is a privilege to us but a right to others

Like I said previously, the more I know about human history, the more unapologetic I become about migration. Reminds me of a chat I had with a white British folk at my workplace. Chap was trying to insinuate a grand plan to get people from Africa into the US. (I.e illegal migration). I told him that being British, he should more than everyone else know migration is as old as man. You don't like my presence, too bad, I don't care.

To Gerard who talked about deporting 2nd gen... like I asked, how far back do we go? Should Australia/U.S or Cad start deporting White folks back to Europe?

This post captured my thought about the two characters you mentioned, so no needed repeating it again.

Goodenoch:

But just to clear the air with regard to why I (I'm not speaking for anyone else) won't engage with Treadway or Gerard - it's simply because I consider them unfit to engage.

One of them a few pages ago was calling people here apes unprovoked. Nobody insulted him or anything. The other one manages to weave potshots at Muslims into every post. I made the decision not to engage either one for any reason since then.

I'm happy to debate and disagree however strongly but I'll not speak with people whose baseline is disrespect or bigotry and contribute to this place becoming an online beer parlor.

AgentXxx:
Zahra29

The main issue people are having with your comment which you seems not to grab is the timing of your arguments. It should come later when it is all calm and not at the moment when POC are living in fear being harmed or maimed.

If your family were in the position of harm during this riot, I believe you wouldn’t come here defending why they were being attacked.

An important aspect of emotional intelligence is timing.

I;m totally with you on this, i got no prob with Zahra's view on this but i have prob with the timing.

Let me also say this for a record, we need people that see things differently like Zahra and put it out without personal attack.

jedisco:


Thank you for this, I find it soul destroying when I see black folks take a guilty look when migration is discussed. Despite the fact that a miniscule number of Africans have ever left their abode, it's somehow made out that moving around is a privilege to us but a right to others

Like I said previously, the more I know about human history, the more unapologetic I become about migration. Reminds me of a chat I had with a white British folk at my workplace. Chap was trying to insinuate a grand plan to get people from Africa into the US. (I.e illegal migration). I told him that being British, he should more than everyone else know migration is as old as man. You don't like my presence, too bad, I don't care.

To Gerard who talked about deporting 2nd gen... like I asked, how far back do we go? Should Australia/U.S or Cad start deporting White folks back to Europe?

don't blame folks that much, It's the cheap propaganda that's always been pushed now and then to make folks lose their confidence and feel guilty for offences they will never commit. Just imagine all the bunkum stories of deprivation of communities we've been fed here as if we are the ones looting money in their govt treasury to deny them basic amenities. To them, immigrants are the ones committing crimes, the natives are all saints marching to heaven while asylum seekers, immigrant students, and workers are all sinners going to hell.

justwise:


I;m totally with you on this, i got no prob with Zahra's view on this but i have prob with the timing.

Let me also say this for a record, we need people that see things differently like Zahra and put it out without personal attack.

I think you were away then but you need to see how Oga Lexus was dragged like Shege on this thread because of the rent money is a dead money issue, it took days before people came to his rescue even missjekyll has been dragged for seeing things differently too and I can't remember anyone coming to her defence, unless we are beginning to have different rules here for other people—just an observation.

Goke7:

The propagandists will soon be here to remind us why we no kuku stay naija say we force us come, omo I don tire at this stage, don’t even give a damn any longer. Am even ready if they wan chase everyone out. Bunch of hostile cowards!

We go dey alright

Viruses:


Sorry to hear about this situation. A year's wait is really heart wrecking. Like the saying goes; wetin dey for Sokoto, e dey for shokoto. Have you considered Nigeria? With £500 egg go full everywhere, you can then return to UK to continue life.

Be careful there o before they tag it as organ harvesting. Remember that Nigerian senator, name evades me now, in prison for some kidney help got from 'sokoto'.

Debriefing.

I think the worst of these riots are over now. I have switched my summer plans back on. If you ,like me, love schadenfreude, then we are both in for a treat watching these mouthbreathers get banged up in jail.

These riots made me have a rethink of my place in this country ( am I wanted,is there a future for me etcetera) but, after watching the quick reaction from the government and the massive outpouring of support from the people of the UK,I feel secure once again.
It will take a while to heal the wounds from the riots and some of our children may never forget it but it is hoped that the wrath of the state visited on these miscreants will start to sew these wounds together.please feel free to share your own thoughts on this unfortunate events and the best way to heal as a community.

Having said that, I ve read from quite a few people on here that Zahra's views are right and the problem was the timing.

If I m not mistaken,her contention is that the rioters have legitimate grievances for the violence visited on all of us this past week. That they have been victims of deprivation,poverty directly linked to us immigrants. And that is why they decided to maim us and destroy livelihoods .

I say that is not true. I have no powers except that vested in me by occupying the office of the citizen. I pay my taxes dutifully and work in the public service of this country. No-one in the country could be found to do my job when I migrated(still can't be replaced even now).I haven't taken any jobs.i make no policies.
If anything, I am also a victim of deprivation and poverty directly linked to disastrous government policies.

You can now see why I have an issue with the content of her messaging.

(I stand to be corrected if I misread her message)

Exactly… What is life w/out diversity in views and opinions…

justwise:


I;m totally with you on this, i got no prob with Zahra's view on this but i have prob with the timing.

Let me also say this for a record, we need people that see things differently like Zahra and put it out without personal attack.

missjekyll:
Debriefing.

I think the worst of these riots are over now. I have switched my summer plans back on. If you ,like me, love schadenfreude, then we are both in for a treat watching these mouthbreathers get banged up in jail.

These riots made me have a rethink of my place in this country ( am I wanted,is there a future for me etcetera) but, after watching the quick reaction from the government and the massive outpouring of support from the people of the UK,I feel secure once again.
It will take a while to heal the wounds from the riots and some of our children may never forget it but it is hoped that the wrath of the state visited on these miscreants will start to sew these wounds together.please feel free to share your own thoughts on this unfortunate events and the best way to heal as a community.

Having said that, I ve read from quite a few people on here that Zahra's views are right and the problem was the timing.

If I m not mistaken,her contention is that the rioters have legitimate grievances for the violence visited on all of us this past week. That they have been victims of deprivation,poverty directly linked to us immigrants. And that is why they decided to maim us and destroy livelihoods .

I say that is not true. I have no powers except that vested in me by occupying the office of the citizen. I pay my taxes dutifully and work in the public service of this country. No-one in the country could be found to do my job when I migrated(still can't be replaced even now).I haven't taken any jobs.i make no policies.
If anything, I am also a victim of deprivation and poverty directly linked to disastrous government policies.

You can now see why I have an issue with the content of her messaging.

(I stand to be corrected if I misread her message)

I am totally in agreement with the first two paragraphs but like you stated the government and good people of Britain has assured that those thugs do not represent them.

On Zahra29 point

There is a difference betweeen having a point in a discussion and being right. In the aspect of the underlying issues, I totally agree with her, I am a science student and a law in physic states that “For every action, there is a reaction”. the debate now moves to “is that the right channel the reaction is to be directed to?” and I believe this is exactly Zahra29’s view and not like she is supporting their violence attitude when she is also prone to be a victim.

The situation can be likened to a father/mother who had a bad day at work probably due to a bad manager then arrives home and transfers aggression to his/her kids. Is the father right? No!!! But is there an underlying cause if looked into that could potentially stop such reaction? Yes! Either the father/mother stands up with the oppressive boss/leave the job/ learn to manage their emotion.

I hope I have been able to shed a bit of light to what u understand about Zahra29’s point raised.

As a Man Utd fan, I no agree with that “aspire to maguire” because na aspire to be shit niyen 😌

hustla:



Still valid.

Since writing these posts, all my guys have now gotten jobs in the UK

Last one called on Tuesday to say he would be resuming a Cloud Engineer role at the end of the month

The country tries to limit you but always bet on yourself and you will always win. Strive for better, always aim for the top and aspire not to be a bottom feeder. If you work in a care home, strive to be a manager, if a warehouse, try to be a line manager.

Make Nigerians sef dey occupy top roles, those wey dey there no get two heads like my mother would always say (aspire to maguire )

You fit run am, those wey dey run am no get two heads -

In the words of legendary Nigerian musician NairaMarley "Heyyyyssssssssssssssss, ma fo"

AgentXxx:


There is a difference betweeen having a point in a discussion and being right. In the aspect of the underlying issues, I totally agree with her, I am science student and the law of physic states that “For every action, there is a reaction”. Now the debate now goes to “is that the right channel the reaction is to directed to?” and I believe this is exactly Zahra29’s view and not like she is supporting their violence attitude when she is also prone to be a victim..

So the next time I feel aggrieved ,can I attack my neighbours too? Instead of petitioning the government the actual cause of my woes,can I burn down the travelodge with people in them?
Was that an equal reaction?

I would like to request that we personalise this discussion. Instead of just saying "immigrants" say "I" , "my job" etc etc. See if you still want to accept any responsibility for these riots. I ,an immigrant ,do not accept any of the responsibility for these riots.
I return them squarely back to the rioters . None of my actions caused this. They own this 100%.

The angle that the timing is the only thing that is wrong with the underlying causes argument is nonsensical, and I'm not sorry to say that.

The argument is inherently dishnonest, whether the people saying it know it or not, because its validity depends entirely on which point in time you decide to cherry pick causes from.

Where should we start? Legal immigration is too much? Isn't the underlying cause that the UK made the routes available, publicised them and then stamped each and every one on those routes into the country? Did the government not know the capacity of the NHS, how many houses there were, etc.? Should the immigrants have been the ones to run the figures and say 'oh it looks like the NHS is at capacity so I won't apply to come study/work'? Isn't it unfair to the immigrants as well since they were definitely not told 'the country is full' and they would be constantly cast as burdens and made into punching bags for everyone's problems as soon as they step onto the country's soil by the university, NHS and private sector recruiters? Before all of that though, was the underlying cause not that the UK simply did not have enough people to fill roles in various sectors?

Illegal immigration is too much? Okay where should we start? Isn't the English language part of the reason that the UK is so attractive to asylum seekers? Where and why did all those 'not English and will never truly be English' people learn English? That aside, look at the list of top countries where asylum seekers are from. Almost every single one shares the characteristic of having been at the receiving end of British military interventionism either directly through attacks on their soil or through British support for one warring faction over another, sending weapons which prolong wars, increase casualties and displace people all around the world. And before anyone says it's ancient history, that's a lie - some of these are just a couple of decades ago. Here's the list of top countries where asylum seekers come from - https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/ Check for yourself.

As an aside, more Chinese people seek asylum in the UK than Nigerians.

Given all of that, is it a wonder that some groups have an antipathy toward the West? Or does 'underlying causes' not apply to people whose regions have been decimated by western countries in support of their corporations' agendas to go pick up oil at bottom barrel prices from war-torn countries?

Nothing would ever be said (by reasonable people) to justify terrorism like the bombings that have taken place in the UK whether at the time they took place or years after, and nothing ought to be said to justify terrorism like what we've seen these past few days, at any time. I would personally never, under any circumstances, take up arms and try to burn random unarmed people to death or pour acid in the face of a random person in the street no matter how angry I am about whatever, and to imply that I ought to relate with and emphatize with people who would do that to me because of 'underlying causes' is insulting.

Are you just reading to reply and argue? 😒Anyways your answer lies in my last paragraph, kindly read all over to understand the point.

Mind you most (if not all) parents have fallen into the narrated scenario at one time in their life.

missjekyll:


So the next time I feel aggrieved ,can I attack my neighbours too? Instead of petitioning the government the actual cause of my woes,can I burn down the travelodge with people in them?
Was that an equal reaction?

I would like to request that we personalise this discussion. Instead of just saying "immigrants" say "I" , "my job" etc etc. See if you still want to accept any responsibility for these riots. I ,an immigrant ,do not accept any of the responsibility for these riots.
I return them squarely back to the rioters . None of my actions caused this. They own this 100%.

AgentXxx:
Are you just reading to reply and argue? 😒Anyways your answer lies in my last paragraph, kindly read all over to understand the point.

Mind you most (if not all) parents have fallen into the narrated scenario at one time in their life.

What is in question is violence not merely aggression, which can vary from a stern face to clipped sentences and up to violence, assault and murder.

Stop being mealy-mouthed and be specific - say expressly if you think being angry at your boss would be an 'underlying cause' for setting your children on fire.

That's what we're discussing here. If a million people protested peacefully saying they don't want migrants of any kind, I wouldn't complain. It's their democratic right. If they vote, as they did, for a party with aggressive views about migrants, same thing.

What we're seeing is terrorism and attempts to murder people. Be bold and answer like you were asked if you believe you also share responsibility for those merely by virtue of being in the country as an immigrant.

We have agreement on some things just in case you are doubting. Yes, it is terrorism and attempt to murder people, it is not acceptable, they should be severely punished and jailed. Immigrants/Asylum seekers are not the cause of their problem.

Now let’s get back to the question. What should the government do to permanently resolve this? Or you think it would end with just jailing some thugs?

Goodenoch:


What is in question is violence not merely aggression, which can vary from a stern face to clipped sentences and up to violence, assault and murder.

Stop being mealy-mouthed and be specific - say expressly if you think being angry at your boss would be an 'underlying cause' for setting your children on fire.

That's what we're discussing here. If a million people protested peacefully saying they don't want migrants of any kind, I wouldn't complain. It's their democratic right. If they vote, as they did, for a party with aggressive views about migrants, same thing.

What we're seeing is terrorism and attempts to murder people. Be bold and answer like you were asked if you believe you also share responsibility for those merely by virtue of being in the country as an immigrant.

Goke7:


I think you were away then but you need to see how Oga Lexus was dragged like Shege on this thread because of the rent money is a dead money issue, it took days before people came to his rescue even missjekyll has been dragged for seeing things differently too and I can't remember anyone coming to her defence, unless we are beginning to have different rules here for other people—just an observation.

lol dragging Oga Lexus is like dragging VDM, e go come back stronger

Feel free to drag missjekyll, she is a politician, dragging is in line of her work lol

AgentXxx:
We have agreement on some things just in case you are doubting. Yes, it is terrorism and attempt to murder people, it is not acceptable, they should be severely punished and jailed. Immigrants/Asylum seekers are not the cause of their problem.

Now let’s get back to the question. What should the government do to permanently resolve this? Or you think it would end with just jailing some thugs?

Decisive enforcement and long prison sentences for deterrence whether it's sexual assault, grooming, racist attacks and incitement or whatever else.

Assessing and (changing as neccessary) the immigration system for sustainability and making sure when they do that they don't constantly bash immigrants.

Process asylum seekers quickly and either grant them asylum or refuse them and return them if they're found to be ineligible.

Stop the bleeding of taxpayer money to government cronies like the Tories did with Baroness Mone and other party donors. Use the money to improve deprived areas and educate the unemployed and unemployable.

Invest more into the Healthcare system to get more people on long term sick back to work.

AgentXxx:
We have agreement on some things just in case you are doubting. Yes, it is terrorism and attempt to murder people, it is not acceptable, they should be severely punished and jailed. Immigrants/Asylum seekers are not the cause of their problem.

Now let’s get back to the question. What should the government do to permanently resolve this? Or you think it would end with just jailing some thugs?

You really want a permanent solution? Close all air and sea borders but if you can’t there is no solution actually for as long as you have politicians running the country.

Problems, Causes and Solutions is how I would like us to view this issue.

Problems - Thugs attacking and attempting to murder immigrants and asylum seekers.

Is this right? No!!! And I believe every sane person would agree. So I would assume we are passed this stage .

Causes - Most of us are jumping this part.

Is this caused by immigrants or asylum seekers?
No!!!! I believe every sane person would agree.

Is this caused by government? I believe most if not all of us would agree.

How is government the cause? Zahra29 points it out and we all flare up 😊.

Can anyone of those against her points list out how the government are the cause? 🙏🏾


Once the above becomes known, it is easier to move to the last stage.

Solution
(Temporary): Government is stern about not tolerating this act, arrests and jail this thugs.
(Permanent ): The root cause is needed to get a permanent solution

This takes us back to my initial question: Aside points listed by Zahra29 , can any other person list out the causes?

Thank you.

Now we are progressing. Great points listed 👍🏾

Miss Jekyll, I hope you are taking notes. Please take it to the Oga at the top as the labour spoke person in this forum 😀

Goodenoch:


Decisive enforcement and long prison sentences for deterrence whether it's sexual assault, grooming, racist attacks and incitement or whatever else.

Assessing and (changing as neccessary) the immigration system for sustainability and making sure when they do that they don't constantly bash immigrants.

Process asylum seekers quickly and either grant them asylum or refuse them and return them if they're found to be ineligible.

Stop the bleeding of taxpayer money to government cronies like the Tories did with Baronness Mone and other party donors. Use they money to improve deprived areas and educate the unemployed and unemployable.

Invest more into the Healthcare system to get more people on long term sick back to work.

AgentXxx:
As a Man Utd fan, I no agree with that “aspire to maguire” because na aspire to be shit niyen 😌

I'm a Man Utd fan too and na Maguire drop aspire to Maguire lamba pass cos baba na otu

#Fact!!!

hustla:



I'm a Man Utd fan too and na Maguire drop aspire to Maguire lamba pass cos baba na otu

Modified @11:16am

Let me know when a Russian becomes Miss USA and vice versa ✌️

jedisco:


How do some of us think. Is it neo-colonialism or just plain cowardice? What section of human history do you have the faintest knowledge of?

You remind me of a coward I knew back home who kept telling me how people from his part don't come to my part. I told him we don't think alike. That if a language competition is organised in his village, despite the fact I don't speak his language, I can decide to participate in that competition and best him. It is not my fault, it is the way I think. The world does not belong to cowards. The first property I bought in Nigeria was in a northern state I grew up in- same state I had seen loads of people being killed in my very before. People were grovelling. Told them my thinking is simple- it makes economic sense, I but it.
That is why today, despite doing respectably well in the UK, I'm set on giving myself and kids the right to be Nigerians, Brits, Canadians or Americans. Anyone we deem fit, we use.

you don finish? Abi e still remain? When you finish, go and crown Chidinma as Miss SA or go find one Silondile from SA and come and crown her as Miss Nigeria in your lala-land.🤣

I am an unapologetic realist...there is the principle of reciprocity and mutual respect, both of which are visibly absent in Nigeria-southafrica relations. So keep expecting unicorns to fly. The said girl don finally borrow herself sense and done the needful.

If you like build house for sabongari, na your decision and house na. I served in the north, Jigawa precisely, and witnessed first hand the post election violence of 2011, and the killings and carnage that happened. No way in hell I would ever consider living there or building anything there...lest one demented idiot in a fit of rage burns my investments to the ground. They showed us then, similarly wetin the UK thugs show una recently....say even those non-northerners wey dey dress like them, speak like them, and have been living there some for over 20 years, still dey easily identifiable by the natives, and were just as much targets for the mob action as we wey be newcomer.

I agree with your one point, we definitely don't think alike, afterall our thinking and decisions are largely based off of the experiences that we've been immersed in.✌️

AgentXxx:
Now we are progressing. Great points listed 👍🏾

Miss Jekyll, I hope you are taking notes. Please take it to the Oga at the top as the labour spoke person in this forum 😀

No worries. As long as we agree that none of the above constitute a valid excuse for the wanton violence, and that the full responsibility for ideating and implementing the solutions rests with the government of the day, and not with immigrants.

If we can't call a spade a spade, and keep rigmaroling and being politically correct in the face of sheer anarchy, especially the one targeted directly at us, then I wonder where our dignity and courage lie!

All these started with verbal attacks, deliberate and coordinated misinformation in the media, an agenda to direct all blames on migrants, by the likes of Suella Braverman.

Some of us saw the imminent resultant effects. We knew it would one day lead to what we've witnessed in the past days. We shouted against it but some usual suspects here would rather shush us up and subtly guit-trip us for being a burden on the system and the natives. I remember figuratively saying then that if we allowed such narratives to go on unchecked, one day we'd have our fundamental human rights stripped from us, be told we need permissions of the natives to make love etc, and people would still defend such. But to some people, we were being irrational and unable to hold a 'balanced view'.

Sorry but I'm not sorry for being personal in a matter that's personal to me. I worked in one of the immigration law offices being circulated for attacks and read how terrified old colleagues were for those days. How about acid attack, chainsaw attack, arson etc.

If in the face of all these we fail to vehemently and directly condemn the act without such undertone nuances of 'deprivation', then I wonder what we stand for.

No it's not only the timing that's wrong. Beyond timing, the temerity to either subtly or boldly blame such heinous act on deprivation and a repeated attempt to sell it to us, the direct victims of it, is what I won't take.

Imagine for once going to Southport community and saying to people, 'You know I sympathise with you for your loss, but remember the underlying root cause was probably because the murderer was deprived of parental love and suffered domestic abuse........' Just imagine how that would sound. Yea, that's exactly what some views on this thread have been.