BeigJawnson:


Mind you I dont play bets,

Miracles don't come with this definition of formula I am talking about...since you know about 80% miracles in the bible, please mention anywhere in the bible where one miracle was bought with money ?...

Miracles come with a fixed pattern. Obedience is one common denominator. So if they obey Jeremiah

I have addressed the bible issue earlier

Van you objectively prove that the portion where miracle was sold was not lost or removed from the bible. Now after shouting in ur mind, come out with ur proof

And please refer me to the Greek original manuscript written by the authors and not the English version.

You said mind you I don't play bets, that's an invalid statement in relation to the argument to which I mentioned the bet

Mind u too I don't believe in miracle water
But the law doesn't care about what you or you don't believe

Thedon12:
I mentioned the relevant law, is under the protection acts, is it because Nigerians do not sue their churches for this kind of things, you think is not covered under the Nigeria law. This is 100% legal.

That is the general mindset of the average Nigerian!

Tomilolakk:

But your types will never want girls to walk naked so as not to corruption your daughter. Can't you see you make no sense?

Let them walk naked joor
It's My responsibility to point at them and tell my daughter why they shouldn't tow that part
I go past a lot of almost naked girls daily and I don't even notice them.

simonhabby:
I can assure you that the pastor can present 100 people in the court that will testify that the products worked for them.

There will a court ordered supervised administration of the miracle water. It might even be televised live

erico2k2:

yes you are right but watch the video again when and where he was asking for NAFDAC number, there is none.But then again if there i s NAFDAC number then its fraud cos his miracle soap and water will not need MAN approval for it to work,

NB for Christ Sake why are Nigerians and Africans so Ignorant and cant see these so called Men of God are taking you lot for a ride,whyyyyyyyy

Jeremiah said his products have nafdac number and dats where I base my argument on. If he is lying that's his wahala. My point is clear. If Jeremiah's product have nafdac number then vdm has no case

Africans ko. It's people like u that castigate your colour. In the west they worship all manner of nonsense. Trees, cats, animals, and many more. Should we talk about China, India, Saudi nko?
Are Africans the only religious continent?

simonhabby:
I can assure you that the pastor can present 100 people in the court that will testify that the products worked for them.

You are very funny... To think court will not bring another set of people to be healed..

The Bible is written in English too now? Why is it in the Bible that Jesus or his disciples sold stuffs..

Read Bible Una no go read.. you just let scammers brainwashed you into believing nonsense..

If you study your Bible, if you stay under anyone ministration for 30mins.. you will know fake..

Same way some gullible people waited for BBC to tell them that TB Joshua was fake.. stuff we living around the area have known since childhood... Make God no let Una drink poison.

Zionmdde:

Lol
When you Plat sporty bet do you always win like they make it look?

Mind you once again, I don't play bets...
Well if you can get us the Greek manuscripts of the bible ... Then we can compare and contrast it with the English versions.

So those 80% miracles you know about in the bible, is it from the Greek manuscripts or from the English version you know them...?


Mind you, i know too well that anything spiritual can't be talked about in court of law....

Zionmdde:

Let them walk naked joor
It's My responsibility to point at them and tell my daughter why they shouldn't tow that part
I go past a lot of almost naked girls daily and I don't even notice them.

That is too dangerous, walking without your stick, because all blind people use one. Obviously, you didn't, because someone would have surely cautioned you not to hit her. You must be blind not to have noticed them.

Well, we won't let this fake keep deceiving gullible people, financing his lifestyle with their hard-earned money.

Zionmdde:

Miracles come with a fixed pattern. Obedience is one common denominator. So if they obey Jeremiah

I have addressed the bible issue earlier

Van you objectively prove that the portion where miracle was sold was not lost or removed from the bible. Now after shouting in ur mind, come out with ur proof

And please refer me to the Greek original manuscript written by the authors and not the English version.

You said mind you I don't play bets, that's an invalid statement in relation to the argument to which I mentioned the bet

Mind u too I don't believe in miracle water
But the law doesn't care about what you or you don't believe

I WILL REFER YOU TO THE GREEK VERSION IF ONLY YOU AND I UNDERSTAND GREEK

Dottore:

I wish you made sense.
If you buy a TV and it's not displaying videos how would you feel. Won't you scream scam? VDM took the healing water he bought to physically challenged people to heal them but none was healed so he has the right to vent the way any disappointed person would. He gave his honest review of the products he bought.

Your analogy does not apply to religious beliefs. You didn't buy the TV based on any religious belief.

People buy those healing water based on their religious belief that the water has healing powers.

If the church selling the healing water has committed a crime.
That will also imply that you exercising faith in the water also committed a crime.
Which means Govt is indirectly denying people of their right to exercise their religious beliefs.

BeigJawnson:


Mind you once again, I don't play bets...
Well if you can get us the Greek manuscripts of the bible ... Then we can compare and contrast it with the English versions.

So those 80% miracles you know about in the bible, is it from the Greek manuscripts or from the English version you know them...?


Mind you, i know too well that anything spiritual can't be talked about in court of law....

I like the way both of us are sounding confused now

That the original is not within your reach doesn't mean that English you are using is original.
Good you said anything spiritual can't be judged. So how do you prove to the court that a water branded "miracle water" and approved by nafdac is fake

My point is hold what works for you strong and allow other to hold theirs. As long as nobody is harming nobody physically

Catholics believe chaplet protects them, let them be
Muslims believe those threaded beads have power, leave them alone

At the end of the day you are not even 100% objectively certain that your own believe is right
By the way I don't believe in miracle objects. I believe strongly in God, but I let others do their thing

Zionmdde:
I just hope everybody will learn to mind their business
Nobody is being deceived. His members know exactly what they are doing and even social media will not sway them. A lot of times people tend to stick where they can get hope. Because minus that hope that pastors and prophets give (fake or original) a lot of persons would have been dead by now.

He should be allowed to sell his goods in peace. Let those that buy it decide for themselves if it works or not. Afterall he is not putting gun to anybody head to buy

Keep quoting me. I am very unapologetic on what I said. Those adults in his church choose to be there and consume his products. In the eyes of the law you can't also prove the originality of anything termed "spiritual ". Because you can't also prove that you have fulfilled the terms of engagement

So in simple terms you can't cry more than the bereaved. If people feel happy going there let them continue.

Why do we preach the gospel. Did he create those members himself? So he should keep manipulating the gullible ones Abi. Abeg you need to go back to school and ask your school for refund.

Zeebuy:



Jeremiah's backup is his wife. She's spiritually powerful. Anyday he leaves her for any reason he'll become wretched, and he knows this.
Her powers though, isn't from God

my bro these guys are from the pit of hell both the Jeremiah and vdm

Their are some they give power to come display like Jeremiah, they are others they give social media

The game is to make Jeremiah look like he is representing christians and vdm the new reality whereas Jeremiah doesn't represent Christianity

Then vdm obviously wins rationally and shallow christians will say why are we even going to church sef

Zionmdde:

Miracles come with a fixed pattern. Obedience is one common denominator. So if they obey Jeremiah

I have addressed the bible issue earlier

Van you objectively prove that the portion where miracle was sold was not lost or removed from the bible. Now after shouting in ur mind, come out with ur proof

And please refer me to the Greek original manuscript written by the authors and not the English version.

You said mind you I don't play bets, that's an invalid statement in relation to the argument to which I mentioned the bet

Mind u too I don't believe in miracle water
But the law doesn't care about what you or you don't believe

Miracles come in fixed patterns... Lol... Do you get that from the Greek original manuscripts or what? Cos I have only the English version..

simonhabby:
↪I can assure you that the pastor can present 100 people in the court that will testify that the products worked for them.

The courts are not stewpid. Court no be your testimony pulpits abi na altars where people can lie and scheme all they like.

BeigJawnson:


I WILL REFER YOU TO THE GREEK VERSION IF ONLY YOU AND I UNDERSTAND GREEK

Even with the Greek version, was it the exact scroll written by the original version?. Do you have authentic proves that some portion of the accounts from the major actors were not destroyed forever or lost


If you entered philosophy class, you will no exactly what am doing. If what you think you are certain of can be questioned

BeigJawnson:


Miracles come in fixed patterns... Lol... Do you get that from the Greek original manuscripts or what? Cos I have only the English version..

They are now hunting the hunter
I only referred to your English version now. At least in that version there were acts of obedience for most miracles

That's why I said it's better you believe what you believe and let others believe their own. I

Zionmdde:


I like the way both of us are sounding confused now

That the original is not within your reach doesn't mean that English you are using is original.
Good you said anything spiritual can't be judged. So how do you prove to the court that a water branded "miracle water" and approved by nafdac is fake

My point is hold what works for you strong and allow other to hold theirs. As long as nobody is harming nobody physically

Catholics believe chaplet protects them, let them be
Muslims believe those threaded beads have power, leave them alone

At the end of the day you are not even 100% objectively certain that your own believe is right
By the way I don't believe in miracle objects. I believe strongly in God, but I let others do their thing

Very dark man has petitioned it at NAFDAC office... Anything you buy with money as for miracles end with problems...

From my English version of bible, Jesus Christ never sells any thing miracle objects to people... Neither His followers did...

I also believe in the power of God... Not miracle water... Those who believe in that are in wild ignorance...

Zionmdde:


They are now hunting the hunter
I only referred to your English version now. At least in that version there were acts of obedience for most miracles

That's why I said it's better you believe what you believe and let others believe their own. I

Obedience.... Yes but not obeying to buy rubbish in search for miracles... You get it now?

Quest7777:
Lets get this clear:

-Prophet Fufeyin manufactures soap,
-sends the soap to NAFDAC for certification,
-NAFDAC certifies the soap based on the listed ingredients, that it is OK for use by Nigerians,
-Fufeyin prays over the soap and presumably impacts healing powers into the soap,
-Fufeyin puts up the soap for sale,
-Nigerians who believe Fufeyin has impacted healing powers into the soap buy the soap.

-VDM calls out Fufeyin as a Scammer
-Fufeyin sues him to court for spoiling business for him, restraining him from further speaking against the miracle soap.

My opinion:
*Nafdac only certified the soap as ordinary soap not as miracle soap so Nafdac has nothing to answer

*Court can not convict Fufeyin as a Scammer. I have never seen any pastor jailed on account of failed religious belief or prophecy.
Also it will mean all these pastors who sell Olive Oil as Anointing Oil would have been convicted.

*VDM should be careful. He stands the risk of being convicted for Defamation, cyberbullying or some other criminal charges.

*I'm not in any way justifying Fufeyin. I'm only looking at the legal perspective.

The soap has no nafdac number


Are you naturally this daft in real life or are you just putting up a show?

Zionmdde:


Even with the Greek version, was it the exact scroll written by the original version?. Do you have authentic proves that some portion of the accounts from the major actors were not destroyed forever or lost


If you entered philosophy class, you will no exactly what am doing. If what you think you are certain of can be questioned

No answer of having authentic proof that some portion of accounts were destroyed...

So, I don't understand the language Greek .. I understand English only... Jeremiah the self acclaimed prophet too, uses the English version of the bible as well. But yet, selling miserable miracle water...

Do you understand Greek?

LegacyB:

Why do we preach the gospel. Did he create those members himself? So he should keep manipulating the gullible ones Abi. Abeg you need to go back to school and ask your school for refund.

Can you prove with empirical evidence that they are gullible. Or is gullibility defined only from your own perception?
That gospel you preach what objective evidence do you have that out of the thousands of religions that only yours is correct??
You might actually be gullible too.

Nah when you get to a certain level in education, you question everything. You are the one that need to be educated

If ask you to prove that you were born on the day they told you that you were born, you can't even give a 100% prove. So actually nobody knows anything

Believe what you believe, you can even try to convince others to see through your lens. But calling those who don't have the same belief as us gullible is the height of ignorance

BeigJawnson:


No answer of having authentic proof that some portion of accounts were destroyed...

So, I don't understand the language Greek .. I understand English only...

Do you understand Greek?

Since we don't both understand Greek and we have no concrete evidence let us believe what we believe and let others believe what they believe

BeigJawnson:


Obedience.... Yes but not obeying to buy rubbish in search for miracles... You get it now?

Go wash yourself in a pool sounds rubbish
Taking a clay, spitting into someone's eyes sound rubbish
Touching someone's garment sounds rubbish
Bringing out sick people to be healed by someone's shadow sounds senseless

So what in your Bible doesn't sound rubbish again

Zionmdde:

Since we don't both understand Greek and we have no concrete evidence let us believe what we believe and let others believe what they believe

Na now you talk... You come dey talk like say you understand Greek ... Telling me to refer you to it ... Once again, miracles can't be bought.... Many Christains don't read their Bibles...

Thedon12:
Do you know this law is ambiguous, I have seen where a pastor has been arrested for "obtaining by false pretense( section 419)" because of fake prophecy?

Church shouldn't be a commercial place, once you turned your church to a commercial place, the consumer protection law will be applicable.

What's the details of this crime and arrest?
So Adeboye that prophesied that $1 will soon be equal to ₦1 can be arrested.

Look, as far as Christianity is concerned, this Fufeyin is clearly a fraud.
I'm only arguing that when it comes to items that involve faith and religious beliefs, the consumer protection laws don't apply.

Anyway let's see how the court case unfolds.

Zionmdde:

Go wash yourself in a pool sounds rubbish
Taking a clay, spitting into someone's eyes sound rubbish
Touching someone's garment sounds rubbish
Bringing out sick people to be healed by someone's shadow sounds senseless

So what in your Bible doesn't sound rubbish again

They never sounds rubbish because none was bought with money or done for money, however, selling of miracle water or soap is never in line with those you mentioned cos it is all about selling them to make money ... And the power of God for miracle can't be bought with money .... You get that?

BeigJawnson:


Very dark man has petitioned it at NAFDAC office... Anything you buy with money as for miracles end with problems...

From my English version of bible, Jesus Christ never sells any thing miracle objects to people... Neither His followers did...

I also believe in the power of God... Not miracle water... Those who believe in that are in wild ignorance...

Good nafdac will be held liable if they truly approved a product that didn't meet up to standard and not Jeremiah.

From your English version. Can you prove that people should live their life according to your English version?. Since you don't know if your English version is absolute truth, believe what you believe let others believe what they believe

zebszebs:


The soap has no nafdac number


Are you naturally this daft in real life or are you just putting up a show?

You lie. The soap has Nafdac number.

BeigJawnson:


Na now you talk... You come dey talk like say you understand Greek ... Telling me to refer you to it ... Once again, miracles can't be bought.... Many Christains don't read their Bibles...

According to your English Bible ooo. Which might have been tampered with

Zionmdde:

Good nafdac will be held liable if they truly approved a product that didn't meet up to standard and not Jeremiah.

From your English version. Can you prove that people should live their life according to your English version?. Since you don't know if your English version is absolute truth, believe what you believe let others believe what they believe

So the prophet is using the Greek original manuscripts to sell miracle soap right? We both use the same English bible and it is not right selling miracle soaps and water from the same English bible we all use...


You get it?

Zionmdde:

According to your English Bible ooo. Which might have been tampered with

So how do you know it is tampered with when your ancestors don't understand Greek even till your next generations, can't understand Greek?