Before I continue with this conversation,
what's the bone of contention?

That some thugs did not carry knives and daggers in Birmingham and they were not far right?

That they incited violence but did not say rape women?

That they are not MDL?

That they did not beat innocent people as well?

That they are not extremists?

Or that it is false information?

We are not allowed to talk about other extremists on this forum unless it is far right?

I said I am afraid of those carrying daggers and knives in my city as well as far right.

What's wrong with saying that?

I did not know that on this forum, we are only allowed to mention the evil perpetrated by far right. Any other information is false?

Goodenoch:


And you know they are MDL members because...?

As someone said on this thread earlier, if some of you spend any more time on the fence, you'll run a real risk of becoming bricks.

The summary of your contribution to this whole discussion has been just the kind of 'bothsideism' Olusoga described in his article. From two weeks ago when these attacks started, you said not one thing in condemnation even as people here were describing various attacks and threats to their lives. Your first related post was almost two weeks later when you came with your 'gotcha!' news that 'some of the far left can be violent too' when you posted the link to that councilor inciting violence. The actual violence didn't warrant a mention. Today you have come with 'news' of MDL (specifically) encouraging women to be raped and when asked for evidence your answer is nothing related to what you actually claimed but we should take your word for it because you live in Birmingham.

Lol. Na wah.

dupyshoo:
Before I continue with this conversation,
what's your bone of contention?

That some thugs did not carry knives and daggers in Birmingham and they were not far right?

That they incited violence but did not say rape women?

That they are not MDL?

That they did not beat innocent people as well?

That they are not extremists?

Or that it is false information?

We are not allow to talk about other extremists on this forum unless it is far right?

I said I am afraid of those carrying daggers and knives in my city as well as far right.

What's wrong with saying that?

I did not know that on this forum, we are only allowed to mention the evil perpetrated by far right. Any other information is false?

I'm not contending anything. I asked one very simple question about something you claimed with certainty and you haven't been able to substantiate it.

I won't be drawn into this attempt to muddy the waters with random irrelevant points.

I'm certain the pattern I outlined is clear to anyone who takes a look now. Up to you to self-reflect...or not. ✌🏿️

I dont care which water is being muddied. I care that all extremists views should be dealt with.
No one should incite violence in our nation and nobody should be afraid to go out.

Goodenoch:


I'm not contending anything. I asked one very simple question about something you claimed with certainty and you haven't been able to substantiate it.

I won't be drawn into this attempt to muddy the waters with random irrelevant points.

I'm certain the pattern I outlined is clear to anyone who takes a look now. Up to you to self-reflect...or not. ✌🏿️

dupyshoo:
Good article!!

I stumbled upon this while reading the article which captured my view

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/11/extremism-in-all-its-forms-has-been-ignored-for-too-long-by-british-politicians

While I felt threatened by the far right and we have dwelt so much on them and glad to see that the justice system is dealing with them. However, I was equally afraid of the MDL that made news in Birmingham. They brought out knives and dagger and were encouraging women to be raped. I don't see this reaction as a counter protest but as another extremism hijacking this sad event to showcase their views.

How do we differentiate far right women?

For both parties, innocent people will be victims.

I just saw us "Blacks" as pawns in the battles of 2 extremists.

The British intelligence and politicians need to take their stands against all forms of extremism.

This article was a good read, thanks for sharing.

The writer (a former government commissioner and adviser, plus a BAME woman and a human rights activist) was very balanced, what some here might call "sitting on the fence" but actually shows her ability to think critically and in the round.

It also shows that now that the dust is settling thankfully, the government, think tanks, the media etc are turning their attention to analysing the root causes of the riots (ergo it is possible for someone to mention "causes" without justifying the riots!). The writer already alluded to a number of probable causes in her article; as you've mentioned, hopefully the government will take action to correct and prevent extremism, far right and all forms.

#copied from the article:

The government... should also commit to a review into the riots to help understand the causes and provide answers to questions including why some towns and cities did not erupt in riots or violence while others did.

Some data provides clues. Research from the 2011 English riots suggests that strong community cohesion, a shared identity, community pride and having a stake in their neighbourhood stopped or reduced people rioting in their area, with analysis highlighting that 71% of the riots occurred in the areas ranked in the worst 10% for social cohesion. Lack of belonging, self-worth, sense of equity and democratic participation in communities facing hardships can also create the conditions in which extremist narratives take hold.

It is easy to take our plural and cohesive society for granted. Threats old and new continue to undermine our ability to live well together and yet we lack the necessary strategic approach to prevent this. This must now be addressed.

Hello, Please can someone guide me on what to buy to access free TV channels? Tired of using Apps to watch BBC News et al. I want access to all UK local channels.

Akorkor:
Hello, Please can someone guide me on what to buy to access free TV channels? Tired of using Apps to watch BBC News et al. I want access to all UK local channels.

Hey, a Freeview box like below should give you access to local and many cable channels with the ability to record, rewind etc plus a one-off fee (no subscription charges)

https://amzn.eu/d/gcMtcJ8

There might be more sophisticated options however so wait for the gurus like Lexus to advise further 😊

Zahra29:


Hey, a Freeview box like below should give you access to local and many cable channels with the ability to record, rewind etc plus a one-off fee (no subscription charges)

https://amzn.eu/d/gcMtcJ8

There might be more sophisticated options however so wait for the gurus like Lexus to advise further 😊

Thank you, Zahra29. Baba Lexus, please I need your experience here. Thanks

Akorkor:
Hello, Please can someone guide me on what to buy to access free TV channels? Tired of using Apps to watch BBC News et al. I want access to all UK local channels.

Why seek access to only UK local channels, when you can have access to the whole world for £25.00.........🤣🌍😂😁

Question:
Can a dependant apply for IHS refund months after the MA has gotten his Tier 2 visa?

How does she go about it?

Lexusgs430:


Why seek access to only UK local channels, when you can have access to the whole world for £25.00.........🤣🌍😂😁

Are you talking about IPTV? I have that currently but our supplier seems to be dodgy. The connectivity to Internet is poor.
BTW, @Zahra29, if I get the amazon stuff, do I need antenna or satellite outside?
Baba Lexus, let me know your suggestion. The £25 is for what? Is this monthly or yearly?

Akorkor:

Are you talking about IPTV? I have that currently but our supplier seems to be dodgy. The connectivity to Internet is poor.
BTW, @Zahra29, if I get the amazon stuff, do I need antenna or satellite outside?
Baba Lexus, let me know your suggestion. The £25 is for what? Is this monthly or yearly?

Change your supplier...... If it was £25 monthly, I would kuku give my kudi to sky..... 😁

ahn ahn


Lets not get biased here please....

Both sides have been violent.. seen the videos myself.... the beauty (can also be a pain) of this era is everyone got phones out and recording

2 guys were sentenced last week for an attack on anti-immigration participants draped in the Union Jack flags

Infact, one of the men already had two previous convictions (1 was for racially/religious aggravated assault)

Lets not act brand new here please

Duppysho is right... we should condemn all forms of violence, from both sides, irrespective of our stance

The wild part is there were live videos of muslims openly threatening on the live interviews..

There was one recent video where as the police held an anti-immigration participant, the muslims attacked and some even hit the police..

A man was attacked by a mob of muslim youths at a pub, with his head kicked multiple times.. The Muslim community leader and some activists have apologised

A Labour councillor asking for far-right demonstrators throats to be cut is what He has also been charged

Common man... this cant continue from both sides

There must be another way

Goodenoch:


I'm not contending anything. I asked one very simple question about something you claimed with certainty and you haven't been able to substantiate it.

I won't be drawn into this attempt to muddy the waters with random irrelevant points.

I'm certain the pattern I outlined is clear to anyone who takes a look now. Up to you to self-reflect...or not. ✌🏿️

Been quiet for months and just reading....

I don't understand why anyone will ask Zahra to not type here or go to another platform just because he or they don't support her views..

She didn't break any rules.... She didn't attack anyone etc

What is the point of this forum if we all have same opinion?

Can you speak on this issue without a deep-dive into the whole immigration issue? What has she done wrong?

I don't see a single place where she supported the violence etc

Trying to bully someone or push them away from the forum just because they're not typing what you want to see is a No No.. especially as no rules were broken

Some of y'all need to chill and stop acting out......

I can equally say, I condemned but understand why some Muslim thugs were rioting as they were responding to the initial attacks, if I want to go by zahra logic and yours too… or justify kicking of the man in that pub because he was racist to them, I’m sure you follow that particular case (the man has been kicked out of the pub twice before, for been racist). Its okay not to like Muslims or its practice but its sad how some people try to paint all Muslims as terrorist or extremists.

profemebee:
ahn ahn


Lets not get biased here please....

Both sides have been violent.. seen the videos myself.... the beauty (can also be a pain) of this era is everyone got phones out and recording

2 guys were sentenced last week for an attack on anti-immigration participants draped in the Union Jack flags

Infact, one of the men already had two previous convictions (1 was for racially/religious aggravated assault)

Lets not act brand new here please

Duppysho is right... we should condemn all forms of violence, from both sides, irrespective of our stance

The wild part is there were live videos of muslims openly threatening on the live interviews..

There was one recent video where as the police held an anti-immigration participant, the muslims attacked and some even hit the man..

A man was attacked by a mob of muslim youths at a pub, with his head kicked multiple times.. The Muslim community leader and some activists have apologised

A Labour councillor asking for far-right demonstrators throats to be cut is what He has also been charged

Common man... this cant continue from both sides

There must be another way

I am never against peaceful protest against far right thugs but bringing out knives and dagger while wearing balaclavas is crossing the line. This seem to me like an intention to kill.

While condemning far right thugs,we should not turn to them or even worse than them.

If we can't condemn that, the we are hypocrites.

kaybee3:
I can equally say, I condemned but understand why some Muslim thugs were rioting as they were responding to the initial attacks, if I want to go by zahra logic and yours too… or justify kicking of the man in that pub because he was racist to them, I’m sure you follow that particular case (the man has been kicked out of the pub twice before, for been racist). Its okay not to like Muslims or its practice but its sad how some people try to paint all Muslims as terrorist or extremists.

What logic?


My point: Dupyshoo was right.... both sides did stuff.... we need to condemn every act of violence.. let the Police do their job of preventing and detecting disturbances

Peace will always be the answer

War/violence never solves anything

There has to be another way.....

Love builds.... Hate destroys

kaybee3:
I can equally say, I condemned but understand why some Muslim thugs were rioting as they were responding to the initial attacks, if I want to go by zahra logic and yours too… or justify kicking of the man in that pub because he was racist to them, I’m sure you follow that particular case (the man has been kicked out of the pub twice before, for been racist). Its okay not to like Muslims or its practice but its sad how some people try to paint all Muslims as terrorist or extremists.

profemebee:
ahn ahn


Lets not get biased here please....

Read the very simple question I asked again. I don't think you have.

So far, you're making arguments against things I didn't say.

I'm done with the whole debate anyway. Pretty sure all the perspectives are clear enough now.

Believe what you will. ✌🏿️

Yea Yea.. Have a great day

Goodenoch:


Read the very simple question I asked again. I don't think you have.

So far, you're making arguments against things I didn't say.

I'm done with the whole debate anyway. Pretty sure all the perspectives are clear enough now.

Believe what you will. ✌🏿️

KOVIC19COVID20:
In other news…

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/07/shamima-begum-supreme-court-refuses-hear-citizenship-appeal

Isn’t it time to stop wasting tax payers money to lawyers launching these baseless appeals?
There is a concept in Arabic/islam called قدر. Basically about embracing fate. Can’t this girl just embrace qadar and believe that the almighty Allah (SWT) has destined for her to live in Syria ?

This story was engulfed by bigger news/events.
True. Wonder how much more legal aid money will be wasted on that (not-so) little terrorist.

I hear her lawyers are heading to the Supremest court (well, maybe not Supremest, but that court in Strasbourg).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/13/worklessness-crisis-britain-dangerously-dependent-foreign/

What can be done about this? 9.5 million adults not working!!!

dupyshoo:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/13/worklessness-crisis-britain-dangerously-dependent-foreign/

What can be done about this? 9.5 million adults not working!!!

That’s more than 10% of the country’s population, issorite. 😳

To the best of my knowledge the issue is beyond training and encouraging the local workforce. Like every other country there are fundamental issues of social values that need to be attended to.

Grateful that the dust has settled and things are getting back to normal wrt the unrest that happened in several places in the UK.

BBC in-depth article on titled - Starmer will be judged on how he tackles root causes of riots

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ykr900my8o

I wanted to paste the whole article but decided not to because its a bit long, i'll just post a few points from the article. If interested, the link is up there.

Yet the prime minister and his aides have pointedly avoided answering questions about the underlying causes of the riots.

I’m told the reason for this message discipline is a concern that discussing causes might be misinterpreted as suggesting some of the unrest was justified.

For now the government has avoided discussing immigration, again for fear of suggesting any of the unrest was justified.

But in time they are likely to remind voters that the prime minister believes many people do have legitimate concerns about legal and illegal migration.

Some in the Labour Party want their leader to call out racism as a major factor. Others diagnose poverty and a lack of opportunity as a root cause.

Mental health and addiction are repeatedly mentioned in mitigation in courtrooms this week, but others were drunk or carried by the moment.

Most of the towns and cities affected in recent days have high levels of deprivation and above average levels of asylum seeker housing, according to analysis of Home Office statistics.

dupyshoo:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/13/worklessness-crisis-britain-dangerously-dependent-foreign/

What can be done about this? 9.5 million adults not working!!!

Various reasons. Some are full-time carers. Some are women/parents who have dropped out of the workforce to raise children. Quite a few older people left work during Covid and decided to start their retirement from there. There are some who were self-employed outside IR35 and got sick of the whole IR35 thing and don't bother working (or declaring income) anymore and just do their own thing. There are also people who want to work but cannot access jobs - they may be in towns/villages where there are few opportunities but can't travel/commute/relocate to where jobs are either because they can't afford to or there is no available transport (high cost of train fares, for instance) or they have support networks they cannot leave or the tight housing market won't allow it.

The actual number of people who are the Telegraph's enemies, i.e. so-called persons on benefits who supposedly actually can work is debatable.

Hi Elders,

Please I want to confirm if free appointment for UK visa biometric for a child born in uk is a pubic fund?

Make man no hear wetin something later oo😂

Cc dupyshoo profemebee zarah

Cyberknight:


Various reasons. Some are full-time carers. Some are women/parents who have dropped out of the workforce to raise children. Quite a few older people left work during Covid and decided to start their retirement from there. There are some who were self-employed outside IR35 and got sick of the whole IR35 thing and don't bother working (or declaring income) anymore and just do their own thing. There are also people who want to work but cannot access jobs - they may be in towns/villages where there are few opportunities but can't travel/commute/relocate to where jobs are either because they can't afford to or there is no available transport (high cost of train fares, for instance) or they have support networks they cannot leave or the tight housing market won't allow it.

The actual number of people who are the Telegraph's enemies, i.e. so-called persons on benefits who supposedly actually can work is debatable.

The flexible working scheme has been in place to address some of these issues listed but still no headway

Cyberknight:


Various reasons. Some are full-time carers. Some are women/parents who have dropped out of the workforce to raise children. Quite a few older people left work during Covid and decided to start their retirement from there. There are some who were self-employed outside IR35 and got sick of the whole IR35 thing and don't bother working (or declaring income) anymore and just do their own thing. There are also people who want to work but cannot access jobs - they may be in towns/villages where there are few opportunities but can't travel/commute/relocate to where jobs are either because they can't afford to or there is no available transport (high cost of train fares, for instance) or they have support networks they cannot leave or the tight housing market won't allow it.

The actual number of people who are the Telegraph's enemies, i.e. so-called persons on benefits who supposedly actually can work is debatable.

Yeah..common man.. you know that all you listed above is too much of excuses not to get a job. If there is no benefit all you mentioned here will not stop even a disabled person from getting a job. benefit money is good to a large number of them, take away benefit then the story wil be different

profemebee:
Been quiet for months and just reading....

I don't understand why anyone will ask Zahra to not type here or go to another platform just because he or they don't support her views..

She didn't break any rules.... She didn't attack anyone etc

What is the point of this forum if we all have same opinion?

Can you speak on this issue without a deep-dive into the whole immigration issue? What has she done wrong?

I don't see a single place where she supported the violence etc

Trying to bully someone or push them away from the forum just because they're not typing what you want to see is a No No.. especially as no rules were broken

Some of y'all need to chill and stop acting out......

At this point, we need to consider opening a "UK - Politics" thread so we can leave this thread for "Life in the UK"...

I pity new folks who would want to read through the thread to gain knowledge like some of us did when we landed here. Nowadays, no one asks questions anymore because the thread is so heated with far-this and that arguments. When people ask questions, there's barely answers. Even US Politics goes on for days and I wonder.

It was almost tolerable before the Elections since it was assumed to be campaign but now it's just name-calling and ideology-dragging talk that barely benefits anyone.

Again, maybe the group has matured so much that people don't need those childish yarns about jobs, housing, driving, visa, credit, travel, etc and are now more focused on the big British talk

And another one...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/13/immigration-immigrants-society-rich-labour-public

No, it’s not a public fund.

hyzich:
Hi Elders,

Please I want to confirm if free appointment for UK visa biometric for a child born in uk is a pubic fund?

Make man no hear wetin something later oo😂

Cc dupyshoo profemebee zarah

justwise:


Yeah..common man.. you know that all you listed above is too much of excuses not to get a job. If there is no benefit all you mentioned here will not stop even a disabled person from getting a job. benefit money is good to a large number of them, take away benefit then the story wil be different

Debatable.

In a manner of speaking, everyone in the UK who is dependent to an extent on the state (includes all of us who rely on the NHS or on state education for our children, etc.) is on benefits.

Cyberknight:


Debatable.

In a manner of speaking, everyone in the UK who is dependent to an extent on the state (includes all of us who rely on the NHS or on state education for our children, etc.) is on benefits.

If you work and pay into the system then its not benefit. You are basically taking from what you paid into

justwise:
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If you work and pay into the system then its not benefit. You are basically taking from what you paid into

Slightly more than half of the UK's population take out more from the system than they pay in in taxes, whether or not they are receiving cash back from the government in the form of what we commonly think of as "'benefits''. Non-cash benefits in the form of how much it costs the government to educate one child in school (for those who have children), or how much to cover an average GP or hospital visit are also included.