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Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:30pm On Aug 07
StillDtruth:


This is obviously an old Lie!

Is a woman who has given birth still be a virgin? .That is does the birthing not remove her virginity?

And this is of course aside the fact that she had other children.

I guess pagans will also ask you, can a virgin be pregnant?

There is no passage in the bible that says Mary had other children
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:36pm On Aug 07
StillDtruth:


I don't understand, is Jesus not already the first who opened Mary's matrix?
The point is that biblically an only son is still a first born. The first son is not necessarily the one that has a 2nd born or 3rd born. He is just the one that opened the womb

So, The Law is already fulfilled. And this is not the issue.

The issue is did Mary have sex and had other children?

And Mathew, Mark, John,, answers yes, she did for Joseph knew Mary as a married man must do and had 6 other children.

And besides, having children is a proof that God was pleased with her for barreness is a Curse and having one child would not cut it.

Further, the bible never said Joseph's only child which it did when it was True. It even went as far as naming the other children Mary had., so i'm sorry, you are Wrong!
where in th bible did you read that Mary had sex and had other children. You're making it up.
Where does the bible say having one child is still barrenness.
The bible does not at any point name children of Mary. The only person the bible acknowledged as the child of Mary is Jesus.
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by sonmvayina(m): 9:41pm On Aug 07
Charleys:
bros it's not only Matthew 13:55 there are other stories of Joseph having a child

Yed Joseph's children...he was a widower...he had children from a previous marriage...
Well, it's all fiction
...
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by StillDtruth: 3:12am On Aug 08
Ubenedictus:

When did those books say that Mary had other children? Are you now using the bible to tell lies... where in th bible did you read that Mary had sex and had other children. You're making it up.
Where does the bible say having one child is still barrenness...There is no passage in the bible that says Mary had other children

The bible does not at any point name children of Mary. The only person the bible acknowledged as the child of Mary is Jesus.

Does your bible not have Matthew 12:46 and Matthew 13:55,56?

Matthew 12:46
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without desiring to speak with him.

Matthew 13:55-56
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by StillDtruth: 3:15am On Aug 08
Ubenedictus:

The point is that biblically an only son is still a first born. The first son is not necessarily the one that has a 2nd born or 3rd born. He is just the one that opened the womb

This is not true!
Cite examples where the bible decribed an only son as a first born.
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by StillDtruth: 3:59am On Aug 08
Ubenedictus:

No sir,
You seated in your room are not those people, you don't have access to all what tha apostles said to them before sending them letters, you don't have access to all their practices either by simply reading the bible...

Is a letter not an access? Does Abraham Lincoln's letter and Paul's letters and the bible not give us access to what transpired?using words like "at that time" or "in those days"?

The bible even laid out the practies and laws of the people it is talking about incliuding when, where and who kept them or broke them. So you have no valid excuse.

If in crime scenes investigators ensure that the evidence there are not corrupted or tainted, is it now the bible, the Book of Truth?

I get it, you don't like whole and pure Truths as is your right, no wahala

People swallow greedily any lie that flatters them, but sip only little by little at a truth they find bitter.' Dennis Diderot
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by StillDtruth: 4:03am On Aug 08
Ubenedictus:

I guess pagans will also ask you, can a virgin be pregnant?

Off Point!
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Emusan(m): 9:07am On Aug 08
Ubenedictus:

It is also not logical to believe that a virgin gave birth...

Yes! It's not logical and that's why the scripture says it's a miracle.

But did scripture say it's a miracle that Mary gave birth without the baby passed through her womanhood?

I'm sure the illogicality of that didn't stop you from believing it

If it's based on just logic I won't believe it but I believe it because it is attributed to miracle.
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by AntiisIam(m): 11:45am On Aug 08
illicit:
Why will she still be a virgin after giving birth to Christ even if she had no other kids...

She lived with Joseph her husband

Why not address the issue with Baby Aishat and her husband, Grandpa Muhammad
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Kingsempires(m): 1:53pm On Aug 08
AntiisIam:


Why not address the issue with Baby Aishat and her husband, Grandpa Muhammad
What did you mean
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Kingsempires(m): 2:02pm On Aug 08
Ubenedictus:


When did those books say that Mary had other children? Are you now using the bible to tell lies
grin
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Kingsempires(m): 2:04pm On Aug 08
Ubenedictus:

I guess pagans will also ask you, can a virgin be pregnant?

There is no passage in the bible that says Mary had other children
You are right
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by AntiisIam(m): 3:45pm On Aug 08
Kingsempires:
What did you mean

I said he should tell us more about the marriage between baby Aishat with his sugar daddy Muhammad
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Kingsempires(m): 5:26pm On Aug 08
AntiisIam:


I said he should tell us more about the marriage between baby Aishat with his sugar daddy Muhammad
ok!!!, the sugar daddy muhammad grin
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by illicit(m): 6:15pm On Aug 08
AntiisIam:


Why not address the issue with Baby Aishat and her husband, Grandpa Muhammad

I am a Christian....
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Kingsempires(m): 6:25pm On Aug 08
illicit:

I am a Christian....
Ok so what's your answer to this thread?
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by AntiisIam(m): 7:02pm On Aug 08
illicit:


I am a Christian....

Taqqiya slave boy, you've come again lying seems you don't remember Antiislam anymore
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by AntiisIam(m): 7:03pm On Aug 08
Kingsempires:
ok!!!, the sugar daddy muhammad grin

Na one Alfa said Muhammad na sugar daddy that having sugar daddy is not haram in islam
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Kingsempires(m): 7:06pm On Aug 08
AntiisIam:


Na one Alfa said Muhammad na sugar daddy that having sugar daddy is not haram in islam
Na wa o grin
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:33pm On Aug 15
Emusan:


Yes! It's not logical and that's why the scripture says it's a miracle.

But did scripture say it's a miracle that Mary gave birth without the baby passed through her womanhood?



If it's based on just logic I won't believe it but I believe it because it is attributed to miracle.

The scripture doesn't claim to record everything that God did in salvation history. In fact scripture tells us it did NOT record everything. The certainly for this miraculous birth of Jesus is not found in scripture. It is attested to by the early church, this is why all ancient Churches agree that Mary is perpetually a virgin
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:55pm On Aug 15
StillDtruth:


Off Point!
on point
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Kingsempires(m): 7:59pm On Aug 15
Ubenedictus:
on point
you just come on nairaland once a while
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by StillDtruth: 5:56am On Aug 16
Ubenedictus:
on point

It is off point. We are talking of virginity after birth..you are talking of a virgin getting pregnant, clearly a different topic, so off point.
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:49am On Aug 16
StillDtruth:


Is a letter not an access? Does Abraham Lincoln's letter and Paul's letters and the bible not give us access to what transpired?using words like "at that time" or "in those days"
the letters of Abraham Lincoln as lovely as they are do no give us a full picture of what was happening in America in his day nor does it purport to record every American culture, belief and practice. The new testament gives us some sense of what happened in the first century, but it was not written to give an exhaustive understanding of every Christian belief and practice. When Paul was writing to Ephesus, he wasn't trying to give a compendium of Christian teaching, in fact he assumed someone had already taught them before his letter, nor does he attempt to tell us all Christian practices.

If you want a full idea of what was going on through out America in those days, you'll need to read the different people who lived in the days of Abraham Lincoln and those who lived immediately after.
If you want to know all that the apostles taught, you read their letters and read the writing of the Christians they taught who were charged to teach others

The bible even laid out the practies and laws of the people it is talking about incliuding when, where and who kept them or broke them. So you have no valid excuse.
since you are sure of this, kindly tell me how the church in Rome conducted their service every Sunday.

If in crime scenes investigators ensure that the evidence there are not corrupted or tainted, is it now the bible, the Book of Truth?
investigators don't only look at the crime scene, they talk to the accused and the presumed victims, then they talk to all who were there at the time the crime was allegedly committed.
That is why after reading my bible, I check the historical context in which it was written, the church it was addressed to, the practices of the early Christians, how they understood the passage. Anyone who has studied scripture will tell you of patristics and HCM.

I get it, you don't like whole and pure Truths as is your right, no wahala

People swallow greedily any lie that flatters them, but sip only little by little at a truth they find bitter.' Dennis Diderot



I could say the same about you. That is why you are scared to check how Christians from the beginning have always understood scripture.
Instead you take them and wrest them to your own desires
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:54am On Aug 16
StillDtruth:


This is not true!
Cite examples where the bible decribed an only son as a first born.
I already gave you the biblical definition of a first born as one who opens the womb, even though he might have no siblings. If you are not satisfied with that, have a good day
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by StillDtruth: 11:24am On Aug 16
Ubenedictus:
the letters of Abraham Lincoln as lovely as they are do no give us a full picture of what was happening in America in his day nor does it purport to record every American culture, belief and practice. s

Who can give full picture of anything? Who needs full picture of everything? Even you cannot give the full picture of your neigbbourhood.

See this guy's case https://www.nairaland.com/8186055/been-scammed-neighbor#131518390
Has he not already given us the picture we need? Who has asked for more pictures?

You are just showing you are one of those sucessfully scammed by the Romans. because you failed to think and therefore you fell for their scam of removing you from the Book of Truth (bible) so that you can see and accept their inteligently woven lies in other books

And that is why you do not know what is True for you are corrupted and full of lies.

It is people like you who make atheist call Christians brainwashed meanwhile you are never there to defend the lies they have seen and experienced because they too were catholics but they were watching to see if the lies held up especially the fact that lies always raised up more questions and more lies.

No reasonable person requires anybody to tell the fullestest story only the Truth, the sufficient and the relevant part. And if clarity is needed, questions would be asked as seen in that thread. No extra threads required.

Truth exists; only lies are invented.Georges Braque -
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by StillDtruth: 11:27am On Aug 16
Ubenedictus:
I already gave you the biblical definition of a first born as one who opens the womb, even though he might have no siblings. If you are not satisfied with that, have a good day

I said "Cite examples where the bible decribed an only son as a first born." i did not ask for definition or redefinition. I just said give us an example.

And clearly, you see, THERE IS NOT ONE CASE WHERE THE BIBLE EVER CALLS AN ONLY SON, "FIRST BORN"

So, you see you are talking rubbish and have therefore fled away as all liars must do when they are caught.
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Ubenedictus(m): 11:31am On Aug 16
StillDtruth:


Does your bible not have Matthew 12:46 and Matthew 13:55,56?

Matthew 12:46
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without desiring to speak with him.
The word translated as "brethren" in that passage also means relatives.
It is the same word used in Gen 13:8
And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren

We know Abraham and lot aren't real brothers, they as relatives uncle and nephew

The same word is used in Gen 14:14
Now when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his three hundred and eighteen trained servants who were born in his own house,

We know it wasn't his brother

In Lev 10:4

And Moses called Mishael and Elzaphan, the sons of Uzziel the uncle of Aaron, and said unto them: 'Draw near, carry your brethren from before the sanctuary out ...

The word is not simply about biological brothers, it also is used for relatives.


Matthew 13:55-56
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?


Note Jesus is called the carpenters son, they tell us his mother is Mary, then they list his brethren... remember that brethren is also used to denote relatives.

So let us check the bible to see if those "brethren" where biological brothers of Jesus.

John 19:25

standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother 's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
Matt 27:56
Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.
Mk 15:49
There were also women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome.


So if you read you bible very well you will notice that the bible tells how who were these people. Joses and James were sons of a relative if Mary who was married to a man called Clopas. Jude was also their brother. Their sister is called Salome.

They were relatives of Jesus that is why the Bible calls them is "brethren", but they were not children of Mary the mother of Jesus.
Do you understand?
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by StillDtruth: 12:29pm On Aug 16
Ubenedictus:
The word translated as "brethren" in that passage also means relatives.

It is the same word used in Gen 13:8
And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren

We know Abraham and lot aren't real brothers, they as relatives uncle and nephew ..

We know, the wide meaning of the word breathren means relative.

But we also see and appreciate the narrow meaning of brethren which means biological brothers as we see in Joseph and his brothers/Judah's sons, Er and Onan.

And whsat differentiates these 2 meanings is their lineage.

They were relatives of Jesus that is why the Bible calls them is "brethren", but they were not children of Mary the mother of Jesus.
Do you understand?[/quote]

If bethren.means relatives, then Mathew will not say brethren because him, matthew and the whole of Isreal, whether Nazareth or Capernaum or Jerusalem are his relatives.

Ubenedictus:

John 19:25
standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother 's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
Matt 27:56
Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.
Mk 15:49
There were also women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome.

See it many Marys, James, Johns, Salomes, Joses, simons etc Names are replicated in their families, so Mary and Joseph have their own James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas. You can even see you said "the younger james" meaning, there is an older james.

And see Simon and Judas are not mentioned in that family, so you see, lineage proves you are wrong and your church lied
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Kingsempires(m): 1:00pm On Aug 16
StillDtruth:


We know, the wide meaning of the word breathren means relative.

But we also see and appreciate the narrow meaning of brethren which means biological brothers as we see in Joseph and his brothers/Judah's sons, Er and Onan.

And the whst differentiates these 2 meanings is their lineage.

They were relatives of Jesus that is why the Bible calls them is "brethren", but they were not children of Mary the mother of Jesus.
Do you understand?

If bethren.means relatives, then Mathew will not say brethren because him, matthew and the whole of Isreal, whether Nazareth or Capernaum or Jerusalem are his relatives.


men!!, why would you be saying that the roman C are liars. Are they the only church that teaches that mary was a perpetual virgin ?
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Emusan(m): 1:09pm On Aug 16
Ubenedictus:
The scripture doesn't claim to record everything that God did in salvation history. In fact scripture tells us it did NOT record everything. The certainly for this miraculous birth of Jesus is not found in scripture. It is attested to by the early church, this is why all ancient Churches agree that Mary is perpetually a virgin

But the scripture recorded the birth of Jesus and nothing was said about being miraculous.

If it's not recorded in the scripture, where did early church get such info from?
Re: Did Mary Give Birth After The Birth Of Jesus Christ ? by Kingsempires(m): 1:28pm On Aug 16
Emusan:


But the scripture recorded the birth of Jesus and nothing was said about being miraculous.

If it's not recorded in the scripture, where did erlarly church get such info from?
Through eye witnesses

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