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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by ulaeto: 12:27pm On Aug 16 |
Lawag3:Disscussing unrelated issues with nonsense back & forth.. is that it? just tell me we're in psychiatric thread let me get your perspective straight. 1 Like |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 12:29pm On Aug 16 |
Gbadebo19: Let's talk lawyer to lawyer(as you claim to be) 1. Apart from the US, israel and very few of their allies, how many Countries in the world officially designate Hamas a terror organisation, for you to term them "Internationally recognised" as such? Hamas isn't even listed by the UN as a terror group and neither by most countries of the world 2. David Cameron, the immediate past UK Foreign Secretary, during a hearing before a committee of the UK Foreign Office acknowledged that Palestine was under Occupation and that israel is an occupying power. Cameron accepted that israel had "the right to defend itself" but not the right to resist occupation inherent in International law and this points to the hypocrisy of the UK's terror designation, because Hamas' resistance as an occupied people is legitimate in International law, hence the hollowness of the designation 3. For cross reference, look up United Nations resolution no. 3103 of 1973, Resolution 2625 of 1970( Protocol I on the Declaration on Friendly Nations, the preamble to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions 4. You've argued that the PA is the Internationally recognised Palestinian Government. My response is that the PA is recognised as the official representatives of the Palestinians, Hamas is acknowledged and recognised by most as the defacto Government of Gaza. The PA doesn't exercise authority over Gaza, so that argument is weak 5. The International Criminal Court(ICC), which has jurisdiction over Palestinian territories, has charged israeli decision makers in the ongoing killings with; (1) The deliberate targeting of the civilian population, (2) The use of starvation as a weapon of war among others, over which it seeks their arrest warrants. You claim that International Humanitarian law only applies to Countries and not terrorist groups, but both entities are bound by it, i.e. whether as State or Non-State actors. See Article 1(4) and Article 96(3) of the Additional protocol I, Article 3 and Additional Protocol II, all of the Geneva Conventions and it's Additional Protocols 5. The UN Special rapporteur on Palestine, Francesca Albanese, who's an International Human Rights Lawyer and Specialist, has concluded in her report that israeli actions in both Gaza and the West Bank has reached the threshold of Genocide. She outlined all the elements in her special report: 'The Anatomy of a Genocide Report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967'. The Special Rapporteur is an independent expert commissioned by the UN to investigate israel and Palestine 6. The Highest Court in the world, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) has found that there's a 'plausible and probable case of genocide' by israel against the Palestinians and has allowed the application go to trial. The same ICJ has in a ruling in July, reiterated that israel is in Occupation of Palestine. From a legal perspective, this gives Palestinians legal justification for all acts of resistance 'in all its forms' , as provided for in International Law From the points above, your arguments stand on no legal legs. Please If you're to respond, do so as a lawyer by citing legal authorities to back up your claims as i've done 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNg: 1:01pm On Aug 16 |
⚡Russia said Friday that it had repelled a night-time attack using 12 US-made missiles on the landmark Crimea bridge built. “Air defences were used last night to deflect a group strike by 12 ATACMS missiles made in the US on the Crimean bridge. All the missiles were destroyed,” the defence ministry said in a statement. 7 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:03pm On Aug 16 |
WrriterNg: Beautiful 3 Likes
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Lawag3: 1:06pm On Aug 16 |
ulaeto: Yeah some are unrelated I get that but most discussions here have been on point. Baring the nonsense that happened days ago and the insults. This thread has not been derailed. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Lawag3: 1:07pm On Aug 16 |
Gbadebo19: I definitely will that is if he mentions me without answering those questions. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 1:14pm On Aug 16 |
IMEI:I can't type very very long things, so I will be posting my replies one by one. The United States and the whole of the EU recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization. This is asides Israel, Canada, Australia etc. For the purpose of understanding, we can ask: How many countries recognize Boko Haram as a terrorist organization. But we all know that Boko Haram is or was a terrorist organization. Going by that logic, we can safely say that Hamas is a terrorist organization. I have a question at this point as lawyer to lawyer (as you claim to be of course ) Is IPOB a terrorist organization? If yes, how many countries recognize it as such? If No, tell me how it isn't. I will be back.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 1:16pm On Aug 16 |
sainttwist1: He posted his own full name here. His first name, middle name, and surname. He had it coming. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 1:22pm On Aug 16 |
IMEI:Now to your number 4. You said the PA is merely the official representative of the Palestinians and that the PA doesn't exercise authority over Gaza. We shouldn't even argue this cos how would Hamas, who merely won legislative seats in 2006 or was it 2007 oust the PA from power. It is without logic to oust someone from power if they do not exercise authority before. What are you now ousting and from what are you ousting them. If PA was not exercising authority over Gaza, then there would be no reason to oust them since they didn't have that authority before. To Hamas being recognized by most as the defacto government, I don't know what you mean by most. If it is the Palestinians, then we need to talk about legitimacy in government. If the military suddenly seize power in Nigeria and the citizens do not do anything probably out of a lack of will or manpower, it doesn't make them legitimate. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Stoplying: 1:29pm On Aug 16 |
I suggest we open a blog, the pollution of this thread by people who believe too much in themselves (while they lack basic logic) is ruining the discussion. Since nairaland is just a forum built on gathering traffic in order to justify ad revenues, it won't ever take any action, nairaland needs people to be in conflict to increases the revenue of seun. I suggest we build a blog, in there we can have control over the trolls and the playground "geniuses" who pollute by reducing the level of discussion. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Dream25: 1:32pm On Aug 16 |
I still don't know why we allow people from righteousness thread to destabilise this thread.. They're enjoying a picnic day on the other thread while they turn this thread into cesspit. We're giving them a field day here and allow them to preserve their thread. They're taking this into our territory while they enjoy themselves on their territory.. Pls let learn to ignore this people instead of replying them every time.. 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNg: 1:39pm On Aug 16 |
Dream25: Exactly! I've told them several times. Ignore!! And guess what? The people causing all these troubles are relatively new here. They just spring up from nowhere. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 1:40pm On Aug 16 |
BoldBrainz: Did you realize he wrote that comment about the Geneva convention with AI? That's why your comments sound intelligent while his just involves minor and irrelevant points. If he can't write even with AI, then I wonder what he can do. Gbadebo19: 1 Like |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ska333ko: 1:40pm On Aug 16 |
Lawag3:🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 olodo wey no know how himars operates come dey post another thing wey e no shabi Palestinians are more ancient Hebrew than Zionist genetically 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 1:42pm On Aug 16 |
shoodboi2:Omoh, my writing ability even wowed this dumbhead to the point he believed it as AI. Oh my God....... Your dumbness sucks |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 1:46pm On Aug 16 |
IMEI:As for your point number 2, I don't know and I have not seen or heard Cameron, so I will presume he said it. But let's go back in history. The areas called Palestine today was biblically known as Judea. It was renamed as Palestine by a Roman emperor named (Hadrian) in order to wipe out every trace of Jewish history. And no, don't get it wrong, the Palestinians of today are not the biblical Philistines or jebusites or ammonites that the biblical Jews conquered. Those ancient tribes have morphed into other tribes and do not have a distinct identity as of today. Based on the foregoing, i do not see Israel as an occupying power. Some elements are just banking on the ideas of the Jewish anti-zionists who believe they have not reached the primised land. Since when did the opinion of a few become the deciding factor? I will not make a comment on Cameron statement cos I have not seen or heard him and this, cannot judge the context in which he was speaking. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 1:47pm On Aug 16 |
Gbadebo19: Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian elections and appointed Ismail Haniyeh, who Israel murdered, as the prime minister. The US, EU, and Israel, who had all initially agreed that the election was peaceful suddenly started to discredit it and refused Haniyeh to become Prime Minister. They tried organising another election, but backtracked after their analysis revealed Hamas was going to win again. So, they started to arm and train Fatah to fight against Hamas. Hamas won that battle and kicked Fatah out of the Gaza strip. That was how Hamas gained control of the Gaza strip. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah–Hamas_conflict 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 1:48pm On Aug 16 |
Gbadebo19: I will soon enter you. You read books yet you are writing with AI. You read books yet you couldn't go to law school. There appears to be something wrong with your head. Make another snide remark at me and find out. I will soon enter you now. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 1:51pm On Aug 16 |
shoodboi2:You sha want to remain relevant. I ont have your time, the authorities are on your matter. By the way, what happened to your previous moniker: shoodboi I mean the one without 2 at the end. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNg: 1:51pm On Aug 16 |
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 1:52pm On Aug 16 |
When this thread regain its sanity, I'll return. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 1:52pm On Aug 16 |
Ska333ko:"Genetically" according to the research carried out in your grandfather's compound abi. Let's even assume you are right. Is it not Jews killing Jews? Why are you now foaming in the mouth? |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 1:53pm On Aug 16 |
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 1:54pm On Aug 16 |
Gbadebo19: AI writing is actually substandard. It lacks flow and sounds like it was written by a sleepy person. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 1:55pm On Aug 16 |
shoodboi2:Anything that makes you sleep at night is fine by me. |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Aizenosa1000(m): 2:07pm On Aug 16 |
Appleyard: The suicide squad will be wiped out one way or the other, it's like running into the military barracks and screaming because the brigade is out fighting. 2 Likes |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNg: 2:08pm On Aug 16 |
Procashtips: Yup. This is what China would use to invade Taiwan island. It's gonna be a very difficult war for China, which is why they need Russia so badly. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kremlingrad: 2:08pm On Aug 16 |
How China is silently invading and encroaching it's neighbors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNp4IYTuB34?si=kmfCO91UFfSJtPTy |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNg: 2:11pm On Aug 16 |
⚡OLIVER STONE: "We're fighting over nothing. We're fighting over pride and fear of Russian and Chinese 'empires'—BRICS taking over the economic world. Well, that's happening, and it will happen, and nobody's going to stop it unless you go to war. Unfortunately, America should not go to war for trade, ever. Economically, we may end up as number two, we may end up as number three, we may end up dropping back, but we're alive and we're part of the world. I don't see what's wrong with that. We don't have to be the bully. We don't have to be the dominant factor. We talk about a hegemonic world where the United States is in control—that's not realistic anymore. The world is multipolar, and unfortunately, we haven't been able to accept that. I don't understand why we can't accept it unless you're some kind of frozen conservative in this country who sees any foreigner as a danger. I think the problem is the United States has got to educate itself." 10 Likes
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by BoldBrainz(m): 2:13pm On Aug 16 |
shoodboi2: 😂😂. Quite bizzare how young people now turn to A.I based tools to piece words together just to give off an air of intelligence. Funny part is, I never even bother to check the originality of people's comments because I passively assume a decent basic education should be enough to afford any sound mind the needed communication skills. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNg: 2:14pm On Aug 16 |
⚡OLIVER STONE: "It's up to the United States. Russia and China are simply doing what they do business. The United States is the one being aggressive here, blowing up pipelines, trying to subvert Russia at every turn, and now China with trade. But Russia is my main concern because I can see it coming. I see the commitment that's grown in this country towards Ukraine, which seems to me unthought, not reasoned out, not thought out. America has committed itself to this NATO-isation of Ukraine, which makes no sense considering the history of NATO and the 1990 agreements. Those agreements were not drawn up, but they were talked about. America committed to those agreements Baker, Bush, and also Shultz. They said that the United States would agree that if Germany were reunited and East Germany was let go and became part of NATO, that would be okay. But the understanding was that there would be no more NATO expansion east of Germany. And that’s what happened. The next U.S. administration, Clinton, broke that promise. Over the next 20 years, they absorbed 13 new countries into NATO, pushing right up to the border of Russia. You couldn't be more naked in your aggression—like putting missiles right into Canada or Mexico. This is what they're doing. Ukraine has been warned; that was a big point, a red line for Russia. They said no NATO in Ukraine. And even today, Blinken, the Secretary of State, made this comment again: 'Yes, we're committed to bringing NATO into Ukraine as soon as possible, and with all the modern equipment we're going to put into Ukraine.' That's more or less what he said. Thank you very much—that really helps the situation. It's the most vulnerable point for Russia. They don't want the United States breathing down their neck on all sides, and that's what they have. So they're very sensitive about this, and they fought for it. They warned us, and they did go to war over it. We didn't listen because we're very arrogant. We don't listen to Russia. We don't even talk to Russia right now." 13 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Stoplying: 2:16pm On Aug 16 |
What I don't understand is why people would try to look more educated than they are online. Are we offering a job which requires them to polish their CV for us ? Dumb people seem to often think they have fooled everybody, Gbadebo, the "genius" who doxed himself and then started trying to solve his murder still thinks he's intellectually relevant. BoldBrainz: 1 Like |
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