Xavier5:
I'm neither a supporter of Trump or Kamala, but IF, and that's a big if, I'm to support anyone, currently it will be Trump despite his unpleasant personality, because of;
* His concluding speech.
* The failure of Kamala to address the above stated elephant in the room.
* Trump's performance as President.
* Trump's talk-and-do personality (this personality isn't absolute though, but it's a highly attestable one)
If an unpleasant personality is the one that appears to be able to get the job done over the so called pleasant personality, then objectivity demands I go for the unpleasant personality. I don't need to like him, I just need to like what he would do as president.
#Xavier

IjeBos:


Imagine someone writing these two in the same post.
It is impossible to be a liberal and be a fan of someone like DeSantis or Ramaswamy.
Cut it out.

raumdeuter:


Here comes the arbiter of who is liberal and who is not

LordAdam16:


The absolute, universal authority on liberalism.

-Lord

IjeBos:


So, this topic has been a big debate since the era of Trump. How do you debate someone who lies with a Megaphone like Trump. And previous to the debate the consensus argument was that she shouldn't focus on trying to explain the economic policies, too complicated too much detail, so stick with broader themes. I hear you about detail, but we're living in a post fact world and liberals have to understand that. To legislate they have to win. Liberals can't get down to the level of constant lying of Trump and co. But, in this season, it calls for broader generalizations. You remember when Obama ran. Republicans called him professorial as an insult for doing exactly what you suggested. That he thought he was smarter than everyone else, he was looking down on people. What the media repeated was "who would the voter want to have a bear with". That was Harris's goal. As a Black Woman in the US, she had a finer needle to thread. Not too aggressive, not to laughy, not too smart or she would be uppity, but smart enough.

And fyi, you can't say you are a liberal and talk about you like Ronald Reagan, Ron DeSantes, and Vivek Ramaswamy. You just gave yourself away. Those three are as Bullshit as Bullshit comes esp. Ramaswamay. They hold a fake intellectualism, they know what they say is intellectually dishonest and makes little sense, but will appeal to uneducated Republicans. You know the term voodoo economics came from Reagan. You should instead of listening to how they say things, look at the actual policies they are talking about and ask if they make sense. They understand most people won't

My brain cells die listening to Ramaswamy. And I know he's smarter than the BS he spews.

You keep saying that Biden underperformed. And you and may have a different definition of unobjective. So, explain why. And then explain what you think he could have done better. Give me policy.
If you have a son who is scared of the rain and wants you to stop it. So, you put up blinders in the windows, so he can't see it, dampeners in the house so he can't hear it. But he opens up the door and it's still raining. Did you as a father fail in stopping the rain? No. because it's rain and you don't control the weather. Not all things have an immediate controllable solution and as voters it's our job to research to understand when that's the case.

raumdeuter:


Here comes the arbiter of who is liberal and who is not

IjeBos:




And you two, who live in Nigeria know better than the Republican Governor of Ohio who basically says that it is all Bullshit.
You can commence the, "he's a RINO" now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPPM4Q2955A

ObaIgwe1:


I don't know who won the debate, but I know one person achieved her set objectives while the other failed to do so, not because he didn't get the chance or because the moderators were biased, he didn't achieved his goal simply because of his inflated ego and weird obsession to irrelevant issues.

There can never be a fair or policy debate with someone like Trump. Trump hardly obey rules and or care about others. While all politicians lies, Trump lies are at another level, both necessary lies and stupid lies that can make you question your sanity.

The moderators, I don't know if they were biased but they gave Trump more time than Harris. For example, Trump kept asking for more time to rebut Harris like 5 times outside the time rule, and the moderators allowed him 4 out of the 5 times. The only time Harris wanted to rebut a false claim by Trump about taking all guns away, the moderators denied her, and she had to use another of her time slot to rebut that... But no one said the moderators were biased at that instance.

What clearly played out was Harris knowing Trump ahead of time, and knowing Trump doesn't play by the rules or stay on policies debates, and that he is all about winning the show and making his opponent look bad. She knew also from the polls that a high number of people still claim not to know her... So she decided to use the debate to achieve the following:

1. Introduce herself to the audience who don't know her. Reason why instead of answering the question on if the economy is better now, she was telling the audience about herself.

2. Get on Trump skin, derail him and make him look bad. She succeeded with this to a good extent.

3. Use the questions to simply sell out her key policies. And she succeeded with this too. I know there is need for more details, she can do that during interviews or rallies or those bus drives.

Some of you think she is not bright... But I saw a smart prosecutor sticking to her brief and goal, avoided questions that will generate bad press and wrong controversies. And IMO, she did make Trump look lesser than himself.

The question is, how many questions did Trump also successfully answered?

I don't know who won, but one thing is clear to all, Harris did not leave that debate worse than she came.

BTW, the claim that Trump won with closing argument on why Harris has not implement those ideas as VP is bullshit to me. We all know The VP doesn't have such power. Trump knows that and so do all educated people. Like how much of Pence's ideas were implemented under Trump?

LordReed:


So you can tell who is Haitian just by looking at them? How do you people function in reality?

IjeBos:


No, the definition of the word is the arbiter.
Wtf are you talking about.
You should go read a book.

LordAdam16:


Even the eating pets thing, while tangentially correct, was amplified because the Right likes to step on rakes.

Just look at the rubbish Loomer shared.

We'd have all these bipartisan advantages with the economy, migration, foreign policy, and they'll descend on some BS that spooks normies.

-Lord

IjeBos:

What the media repeated was "who would the voter want to have a bear with". That was Harris's goal. As a Black Woman in the US, she had a finer needle to thread. Not too aggressive, not to laughy, not too smart or she would be uppity, but smart enough.

Xavier5:


As usual, try and justify Kamala's lack of policy discuss, and heap all the blame on Trump. I believe I've made my points clear, debates are meant to address policies by candidates. So when asked a question, candidates should answer and address that question, and not spend vast majority of the time beating about the bush, throwing lies like grenades, rambling off-point, and blaming the other for their own failures. That isn't what Americans want, otherwise, why bother debating at all?



I was expecting you to say this, and I was not disappointed. So I'm not a liberal because unlike you I chose to not ass lick the Democratic party. Just wow 😂, but anyways, who am I to argue 🤣.

Bro, some of us focus on quality of individuals or candidacy, and not party okay. And whether you like it or not, Ronald Reagan was an amazing president, same as Obama.

Were these two perfect? No

Did they perform well? Yes

Did they perform absolutely well? No.

Did they make bad decisions and judgements as president, that faced criticisms? Yes.

Do I agree with all their views and policies? No.

As I said, I do candidates or individuals and not party. An as I also said, no law says that one has to support all the views of his or her preferred candidates, in other words, I don't support all their views and policies.

As for Vivek, reading this makes me laugh 😂. Vivek is not smart? Okay, if you say so 🙌. But the evidence that abounds in the media says otherwise.



But your brain cells did not die listening to Biden whom you've dedicated all your time and energy on this thread defending. Good to know 🤣.



So in your view, Biden performed well, but yet, Americans are unhappy with the issues of the economy, border security, energy, global wars under the Biden-Harris adminstration.

Biden performed well, and yet Kamala wants to fix the economy, not improve it, but fix it.

Biden performed well, and yet Kamala wants to help the middle class (who where of course faring better under Trump).

Statements like this makes me laugh, but that's what you get when someone has sworn to defend the "competency" of Biden despite the fact that the reality of Americans are the opposite, and when you call that out they claim you're not a liberal, I guess I'm not 🤷.

You're looking for how Biden underperformed? The reality of Americans serves as an evidence to that, likewise the "fix the economy" campaign Kamala is running on.


#Xavier

IjeBos:



And fyi, you can't say you are a liberal and talk about you like Ronald Reagan, Ron DeSantes, and Vivek Ramaswamy. You just gave yourself away. Those three are as Bullshit as Bullshit comes esp. Ramaswamay.

raumdeuter:


BEAR like this?

basilico:


What did Ohio AG say? Did he say it's bullshit? Homework for you.

IjeBos:


If Harvard gave out degrees for catching clear typos or spell check mis-corrections(in other people's work, not your your own), you'd have a PHD.
Sadly, they don't and unfortunately for you that would have been the only way you'd ever step foot there.

Xavier5:
As usual, try and justify Kamala's lack of policy discuss, and heap all the blame on Trump. I believe I've made my points clear, debates are meant to address policies by candidates. So when asked a question, candidates should answer and address that question, and not spend vast majority of the time beating about the bush, throwing lies like grenades, rambling off-point, and blaming the other for their own failures. That isn't what Americans want, otherwise, why bother debating at all?



I was expecting you to say this, and I was not disappointed. So I'm not a liberal because unlike you I chose to not ass lick the Democratic party. Just wow 😂, but anyways, who am I to argue 🤣.

Bro, some of us focus on quality of individuals or candidacy, and not party okay. And whether you like it or not, Ronald Reagan was an amazing president, same as Obama.

Were these two perfect? No

Did they perform well? Yes

Did they perform absolutely well? No.

Did they make bad decisions and judgements as president, that faced criticisms? Yes.

Do I agree with all their views and policies? No.

As I said, I do candidates or individuals and not party. An as I also said, no law says that one has to support all the views of his or her preferred candidates, in other words, I don't support all their views and policies.

But your brain cells did not die listening to Biden whom you've dedicated all your time and energy on this thread defending. Good to know 🤣.

So in your view, Biden performed well, but yet, Americans are unhappy with the issues of the economy, border security, energy, global wars under the Biden-Harris adminstration.

Biden performed well, and yet Kamala wants to fix the economy, not improve it, but fix it.

Biden performed well, and yet Kamala wants to help the middle class (who where of course faring better under Trump).

Statements like this makes me laugh, but that's what you get when someone has sworn to defend the "competency" of Biden despite the fact that the reality of Americans are the opposite, and when you call that out they claim you're not a liberal, I guess I'm not 🤷.

You're looking for how Biden underperformed? The reality of Americans serves as an evidence to that, likewise the "fix the economy" campaign Kamala is running on.


#Xavier

raumdeuter:


This is my point too. I don't have to like a person for me to vote him.

Why are you a democrat or republican? Its the policies that differentiates them. So who will push the policies you support

I would have been in favor of Newsom vs DeSantis. I support DeSantis more

Did you watch the DeSantis vs Newsom debate earlier in the year?

IjeBos:


Reading that was painful. So much broken logic.
Isn't it hilarious that I asked for why you think Biden underperformed and to give me specific policy and you did the same thing you accused Harris of doing, dodged, deflected and weaved, but never answered. Lol.
I misjudged you.
I can probably understand now why you think you are a liberal and are also a fan of Desantic and Vivek. You haven't really thought about it long nor really understand what the liberal philosophy is.

LordAdam16:
He did not even watch the video.

Governor DeWine only said he referred to the position of the city mayor.
The same person who gave the statement to ABC.
I think that's fair.
The Ohio AG position is more relevant. And he basically said, there is something here.

The rest of the DeWine exchange talked about the massive immigration that's a pain for small towns like Springfield.
On the whole, this issue focuses on a liability of the Harris administration.
How do you move 15K migrants to a town of 58K people?

It's not the W he thinks this is.
But he's dumb so it's not a surprise.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


I respectfully disagree. There should be another.
Kamala proposed it. Trump should go for it.
But only when at least one moderator is a centrist.

-Lord

raumdeuter:


For someone who talks a lot about his education, Way too many people are reaching this consensus that he is Dumb as in Super dumb

raumdeuter:


Do you know how to Read and RIGHT? every Every post you make [write, post,create,type] is filed filled with elementary errors? .

IjeBos:


Reading that was painful. So much broken logic.
Isn't it hilarious that I asked for why you think Biden underperformed and to give me specific policy and you did the same thing you accused Harris of doing, dodged, deflected and weaved, but never answered. Lol.

I misjudged you.
I can probably understand now why you think you are a liberal and are also a fan of Desantic and Vivek. You haven't really thought about it long nor really understand what the liberal philosophy is.

Xavier5:


[s]Some questions are funny, hence I don't bother giving replies to them.

You're asking me how Biden has underperformed. Bro, if the reality of Americans regarding the issues like the economy and border security is not enough to convince you that Biden has underperformed, then what is there to say.

Biden isn't underperforming, and yet Kamala is runing on a "fix the economy" campaign.

Biden isn't underperforming, and Kamala was to help the middle class out of economic hardship. What happened to Bidenomics?

Biden isn't underperforming, yet people including
lots of independentss are willing to vote for a convicted felon because they fared better economically during his reign.

If these realities are not enough to convince you that Biden is underperforming, then what will I say, when you will still be hell bent on defending you Biden the over competent fellow.
[/s]

Xavier5:

Okay sir. Let me go and educate myself on what the liberal philosophy is 😎👊🙌

#Xavier

raumdeuter:


Do you know how to Read and RIGHT? every Every post you make [write, post,create,type] is filed filled with elementary errors? .

SpaceX:
Remember she snubbed the fox news debate but he agreed on her own terms with abc news, the ball is in Trump's favor now so kamala can't pressure him for another one.

IjeBos:


Yeah? Tell me more.
You are surely my favorite whipping boy.
So overconfident given what God bestowed you.
Like the little train that couldn't.

I'm sorry, you are an absolute dumbass.

raumdeuter:
This is the point, there are good candidates on both sides of the divide and a sensible person will differentiate the good and the bad

I get you and respect your views, My own beliefs align more with the Republican party, I dont agree 100% with them but I agree more with them than I do with the Democratic party

Let me tell you ahead of time, Soon he will say because you dont live in America, you have no right to comment on US issues except you agree with the democratic party 100%

raumdeuter:


More senseless word salad. No one this brainless will ever make it to Harvard. Stop lying

raumdeuter:

Do you know how to Read and RIGHT? every Every post you make [write, post,create,type] is filed filled with elementary errors? .

IjeBos:
Good idea. While you're at it, look up the meaning of Subjective vs. Objective.