jedisco:


Valid point. The best part is that this was raised here rather than general NL.
The last decade has been economically devastating for many Nigerians mainly fuelled by collapse of the currency. I however believe we are approaching a pivotal point in our nation and with our size and significance, we mainly need to get a few critical bits right to reposition ourselves and let that momentum do the rest. There are examples of nations that have gone from where we are to developed within a generation and that presented tremendous amount of wealth generating opportunities and create value fulfillingly. If this happens, very few would be better suited than ourselves.

Working in the NHS on that pay with a family to support can be really stressful. What's also not factored in is that this is a person in an elevated position back home moving to a band 5 role in the UK which puts one at the forefront of a well entitled populace.
Despite varied opinions, the consensus seems to be that in the current future her quality of life would be much higher in Nigeria but longterm, if the decline back home continues and also considering the socual safety nets in the UK, emigrating should pay. Yes there is the mention of infrastructure, security, health e.t.c which are all valid but let's also remember that when compared to western nations, relatively few Nigerians have emigrated- and overwhelming majority of Nigerians have never left Nigeria.

A while back I met an Indian surgeon who has been here for several years and regretted moving over. He said most of his mates were earning much better with good QOL back home. Unfortunately, he was stuck. A number of such have moved back to India. If their economy maintains its current growth trajectory, it's only a matter of time before an increasing number of established ones return and emigration would be for the low-middle class, adventurous or super wealthy. Aside dring covid, I have visited Nigeria every year since I left. I still know a few Nigerian medics looking to return with some in the process of buying or building facilities. After securing some financial security, certain life aspirations (manytimes non-monetary) begin to matter more.

Valid points here, but what I've come to understand is that it's easy to talk like this when one is far away from the fire. Whenever you truly assess your options, you'll see you living a better life here. Truly some of us would miss those our titles back home, some have never driven themselves (official driver available) for many years... But in the final analysis, the reasons for staying here still outweigh back home.

justwise:

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Moving abroad is not just about money, its about peace of mind, security and a better future.

Interesting take. Let's widen the net.

Do you think that living in the West automatically puts any migrating Nigerian above every Nigerian back home (aside politicians e.t.c)? I.e someone on minimum wage in the UK is overall better off than someone earning 15m in 9ja?

ehizario2012:


Valid points here, but what I've come to understand is that it's easy to talk like this when one is far away from the fire. Whenever you truly assess your options, you'll see you living a better life here. Truly some of us would miss those our titles back home, some have never driven themselves (official driver available) for many years... But in the final analysis, the reasons for staying here still outweigh back home.

For me coming over was a no-brainer. The increase in pay was in multiples. But even with the state of 9ja today and what I know, if I was earning 5m (with good career security and progression), I would give serious thought before deciding to migrate to the UK esp to earn basic pay with linear increase. U.S or CAN PR would have been more tempting except that's the ultimate target

revived2:



Why haven't you comeback to Nigeria to stay sir/ma😐😐

😂 in fact this is the best response so far

3 gbosa for you. I hope all the patriots won’t dodge this question. Just like those who came in years ago will complain that immigrants are becoming too much in uk but will never volunteer to leave to reduce the number 😜

Goke7:

😂 in fact this is the best response so far

3 gbosa for you. I hope all the patriots won’t dodge this question. Just like those who came in years ago will complain that immigrants are becoming too much in uk but will never volunteer to leave to reduce the number 😜

Seriously though, it's a nice quip but it's not logical.

The question is not about that person. It's about someone else in a specific dilemma. It doesn't make sense to imply that the person is being hypocritical without knowing how much they earn, what their circumstances are, what their spouse is doing (and earning), if they have children etc.

Even when I answered I said "I would stay back" implying that if I was in that person's shoes that's what I would do. Doesn't mean that 5m would make me move back today but I surely have my own figure. I still maintain that band 5 salary with kids of that age and a spouse who'll likely not be able to get work in his field for years is a much less appealing proposition than some are making it seem, but of course it's a matter of personal preferences.

People are still living and living very well in Nigeria in spite of all the challenges, and 5m will enable any family to live very well and overcome many of those challenges easily. Private Healthcare insurance, living in a very secure area, childcare, other household help, etc. that will very likely be inaccessible here in the UK on that salary.

I just checked and apparently the take home of a band 5 staff in the NHS is actually 1900 ish and not 2300 as I previously estimated. Accommodation for the family will very likely take half that. For those saying london extra pay, the cost of living in or near London will also take the same proportion if not more. And as for overtime - every hour overtime work is another hour that childcare needs to be paid for (or that the husband will need to cover and not be working).

Maybe the UK still makes more sense for some, but it's certainly not as clear cut as some seem to think.

Goodenoch:


Seriously though, it's a nice quip but it's not logical.

The question is not about that person. It's about someone else in a specific dilemma. It doesn't make sense to imply that the person is being hypocritical without knowing how much they earn, what their circumstances are, what their spouse is doing (and earning), if they have children etc.

Even when I answered I said "I would stay back" implying that if I was in that person's shoes that's what I would do. Doesn't mean that 5m would make me move back today but I surely have my own figure. I still maintain that band 5 salary with kids of that age and a spouse who'll likely not be able to get work in his field for years is a much less appealing proposition than some are making it seem, but of course it's a matter of personal preferences.

People are still living and living very well in Nigeria in spite of all the challenges, and 5m will enable any family to live very well and overcome many of those challenges easily. Private Healthcare insurance, living in a very secure area, childcare, other household help, etc. that will very likely be inaccessible here in the UK on that salary.

I just checked and apparently the take home of a band 5 staff in the NHS is actually 1900 ish and not 2300 as I previously estimated. Accommodation for the family will very likely take half that. For those saying london extra pay, the cost of living in or near London will also take the same proportion if not more. And as for overtime - every hour overtime work is another hour that childcare needs to be paid for (or that the husband will need to cover and not be working).

Maybe the UK still makes more sense for some, but it's certainly not as clear cut as some seem to think.

It's not really about logic, we all speak due to our different personal experiences and I do respect that. But the issue of emigration is a matter of time and chance and despite all the difficulties associated with a band 5 salary what about the chance of career progression over time, the international work experience, and some other positive opportunities that might come in respect of the hardship around childcare and others. My major concern is that a band 5 job directly from Nigeria does not happen every day and I hear some saying here that nurses will continue to be in demand, really? with the way countries are gradually closing their doors and politicians leaning towards the right? The Uk is truly not eldorado but might be a door to greater things that can easily be missed on the altar of living costs and others.

And just to add again. Nigeria has truly changed, Nigeria of 2023 is even different from 2024, You can spend just 20k on electricity units in just a week so let's be careful as we advise people back home. An aged relative back home had a stroke and was rushed to a general hospital (public hospital o) and we ended up spending well over 500k on treatment costs. The only time I can advise someone not to come at all is on a student visa because of the chances of switching to a work visa which is almost becoming impossible everyday.

jedisco:


Interesting take. Let's widen the net.

Do you think that living in the West automatically puts any migrating Nigerian above every Nigerian back home (aside politicians e.t.c)? I.e someone on minimum wage in the UK is overall better off than someone earning 15m in 9ja?

No, its not automatic thing, but in the long run you will be better off if your expectations are realistic.

You just dey find attention because this uncerebral question has been answered x 4.
Here we go again—I earn way more.
My household of two brings in tens of multiples of that amount monthly, and it would be foolish, moronic and ignorant to disclose each person's income online, like one looking for a Nairaland medal.
As for me, individually—not my household—I've stated with reasons before that 10 million naira would be the minimum in 2024.
What is wrong with a woman in Nigeria, living in Nigeria, and earning 5 million naira every month and taking this amount for the next 1-2 years? Her husband contributes as well, but that does not diminish her status as a woman. She would live a very comfortable life in Nigeria, save up for better, especially compared to the £1900 that you keep bringing up in my mentions.
(You & others trying to taunt would help the nurse better by contributing to her questions and/or leaving my mentions sir/ma)

revived2:

Why haven't you comeback to Nigeria to stay sir/ma😐😐

Interesting discussion.

Was me thinking £1000 a month in passive income and I pack my Kaya and move back to Nigeria.

Hello
Please I need suggestions on jobs that pays above minimum wage that someone can look into without have much experience. Thank you in advance.

All of you dishing out advice. I said well done oh. I believe by now, the woman must have been left more confused than she was before asking the question 😕. My own advice to her is this:

1. Sit down with your hubby and agree. Ensure you get her nod to whatever decision the family is taking. Otherwise this may come back to hunt your family later

2. Consider not just the short term benefit but the long term benefit of your decision. In my own case , I was earning close to that when I left Naija after and believe me, no regret at all.

3. Comparing the two scenarios without a longrun in focus may lead to sub optimal decision. I.e 5m is a big money but where will you be in 6 years with that 5m assuming all things being equal. What is the chance that you can continue to retain that job? Nigeria is volatile and especially oil company now. How does Dangote Refinery impact your company? What if Nigeria stops importation of oil? Jow does it affect you?

4. For UK, where does it leave you after 5 years. Is your husband able to do care work or work in the warehouse/production if engineering work is not possible? Can he upgrade his civil engineering and after a while, then establish himself with a good job. Can he do a night shift? As a dependent Visa holder, he has the opportunity to choose shift on the days you are not working. You guys can plan it together. People that compare 5m to 2k nurse are not doing justice to the question. In UK, everybody works so your household income in Naija should be compared with your expected house hold income in uk. At worse, your husband will get a job within 6 months if he is not choosy. So your 2k plus his 2k is 4k on the average. I won't talk about education cos I believe I ve laid a good foundation for you and then you can continue to assess your risk and rewards together with focus on shirt and long term in mind. Cheers

giselle237:

My goodness. First off, you have not even completed your research accurately.
Next, so everyone in UK is a nurse and all are working towards becoming band 8 nurses?
I didn’t know that I was a nurse or that I was managing and aspiring to be a band 8… thank you for realigning me to a path I didn’t even know I was supposed to be on
*slaps head*
Stop giving unbalanced options to oil worker nurse and basing your discuss about band 8. It is so laughable at this time as she is not one nor will be one in 2 years.

You are a real clown 😂😂😂😂🤣

Hello I’m trying to get Nigerian passport for my toddler as soon as possible.

He was born here and has no means of identification whatsoever.

Can anyone please help with tips and steps to make this possible? Hoping to get it before the end of the year.

London location.
I can travel if that’d make anything faster.
Thank you in advance.

Hi everyone, please what is the step process to apply for visa to visit Jamaica from the UK. and how long does it take. Thanks

Summertime:
Hi everyone, please what is the step process to apply for visa to visit Jamaica from the UK. and how long does it take. Thanks

You don’t need a visa as a Nigerian passport holder, just buy a return ticket and hold your valid brp or uk visa along if you’re returning to the uk. At the airport when boarding you just need to show your return ticket and the date you’re leaving the carribean islands (most important).

Hi everyone,
am in the UK on a skilled visa, I need to go to France for holiday,
how do I process the visa and the associated cost.

Thanks

lightofjoy:
Hi everyone,
am in the UK on a skilled visa, I need to go to France for holiday,
how do I process the visa and the associated cost.

Thanks

Apply for a Schengen visa. The process can be straightforward and you can start from here: https://france-visas.gouv.fr/en/online-application
200 GBP might be able to cover everything.

lightofjoy:
Hi everyone,
am in the UK on a skilled visa, I need to go to France for holiday,
how do I process the visa and the associated cost.

Thanks

Getting an appointment date is your biggest challenge, you may have to go through relatively unknown Schengen country to get a date. Years ago I have to use Portugal for a family trip to Spain

Just another motivation to get a British passport.

From the visa application phase to the long travels, it could be financially, physically and mentally draining.

justwise:


Getting an appointment date is your biggest challenge, you may have to go through relatively unknown Schengen country to get a date. Years ago I have to use Portugal for a family trip to Spain

Lexusgs430:
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2- Bad governance sector.....
3 - Gbajue sector.......

Where oga Lexus?

lightnlife:
Just another motivation to get a British passport.

From the visa application phase to the long travels, it could be financially, physically and mentally draining.

Visa cost is the least, traveling cost will depend on cost of hotel accommodation, length of stay, flight ticket and number of people traveling.

To get visa through Portugal cost me about £60 or less, hotel a night in Lisbon was about £80, and hr+ flight from Lisbon to Madrid was about £50 then, no hotel cost as we stayed with my elder brother.

Exumal:


Where oga Lexus?

I hear say Oga Lexus dey dubai...... 😂

Hello good evening all,

Pls I crave your indulgence with this lengthy read, God bless you as help proffer any solutions that may be of help as I don’t know how to navigate this situation.

My sister and I are currently studying at a uni here on the same course. In our first year, unknown to us, we didn’t know that the uni had a 10% family discount available to people who have an immediate family member currently studying at the uni or who are alumni of the uni.

This discount is available for each year of your study at the uni. That means 10% on every year tuition you have to pay.

In our first year, the financial challenges were so tough, that we and our mum wrote to school pleading for any assistance or concessions that can be made to help our situation as it’s just our mum singlehandedly seeing both of us through school.The school only responded to us in those days with deadlines and threats of withdrawal. Eventually, my sister got withdrawn.


However, We were able to tender proof of our extenuating circumstance and how past payments were yet to be acknowledged in emails about my sister’s outstanding balance. Thankfully, she was reinstated and we were able to clear all outstanding balance.

Now, in our second year, a classmate randomly asked if we know about a family discount and she’s sure my sister and I are eligible for. I checked it and lo and behold, it was true! I read the discount policy to ensure there wasn’t any deadline to claiming discounts and for other details. Then I sent an email to school asking if they can kindly apply the discount in our first year to our second year fees or do us a refund of excesses paid in our first year.

However they have just responded saying they can’t give refunds or a retrospective discount. They also even further said they can’t give us the 10% in our second year and will instead split it into 5% between us.

This goes against the discount policy which was outlined in the Fees policy of their website. Here, it clearly states that students who have family members currently studying in the uni or who are alumni of the uni get a 10% discount on each year of their study. It also doesn’t mention any deadline to claim this discount.


Please what can I do in this situation?

meowvinn:
Hello good evening all,

Pls I crave your indulgence with this lengthy read, God bless you as help proffer any solutions that may be of help as I don’t know how to navigate this situation.

My sister and I are currently studying at a uni here on the same course. In our first year, unknown to us, we didn’t know that the uni had a 10% family discount available to people who have an immediate family member currently studying at the uni or who are alumni of the uni.

This discount is available for each year of your study at the uni. That means 10% on every year tuition you have to pay.

In our first year, the financial challenges were so tough, that we and our mum wrote to school pleading for any assistance or concessions that can be made to help our situation as it’s just our mum singlehandedly seeing both of us through school.The school only responded to us in those days with deadlines and threats of withdrawal. Eventually, my sister got withdrawn.


However, We were able to tender proof of our extenuating circumstance and how past payments were yet to be acknowledged in emails about my sister’s outstanding balance. Thankfully, she was reinstated and we were able to clear all outstanding balance.

Now, in our second year, a classmate randomly asked if we know about a family discount and she’s sure my sister and I are eligible for. I checked it and lo and behold, it was true! I read the discount policy to ensure there wasn’t any deadline to claiming discounts and for other details. Then I sent an email to school asking if they can kindly apply the discount in our first year to our second year fees or do us a refund of excesses paid in our first year.

However they have just responded saying they can’t give refunds or a retrospective discount. They also even further said they can’t give us the 10% in our second year and will instead split it into 5% between us.

This goes against the discount policy which was outlined in the Fees policy of their website. Here, it clearly states that students who have family members currently studying in the uni or who are alumni of the uni get a 10% discount on each year of their study. It also doesn’t mention any deadline to claim this discount.


Please what can I do in this situation?

You might be reading the discount wrong.
It would be 10% for the sibling not per head.

However I do think you might have a case for retroactive discounts because I'm surprised they didn't mention the discount when you were both enrolled in first year.
Especially if the university knew you were siblings.

But if they are will to apply retroactive discount on you 3rd yr then take it.

Goke7:


You don’t need a visa as a Nigerian passport holder, just buy a return ticket and hold your valid brp or uk visa along if you’re returning to the uk. At the airport when boarding you just need to show your return ticket and the date you’re leaving the carribean islands (most important).

and wrap a fat blunt with deadlocks wearing a yellow net singlet and start singing bob marley one love...jahbless

Honestly, I’ve even put it into GPT and Gemini to intérprete for me and both say the school is going against their discount policy. Or Can other NL members please help me apply their own knowledgeable interpretation of this: 🙏🏾👇🏾

UNIVERSITY STUDENT FEES POLICY
SCHOLARSHIPS, DISCOUNTS AND PLACEMENTS 

6.1 A 5% early payment discount is available to students who began their course prior to 31 July 2020 (other than UK/EU, Channel Island, or Isle of Man undergraduates) who pay the full fee due to the University within 7 days of enrolment. This 5% discount is not available to any student, or their sponsor, who began their course from 1 August 2020 onwards. 

6.2 A 20% ‘loyalty’ discount is available for the University graduates (first degree or above) on the published fee for all year/s of any further programme(s). Please note that repeat units and Foundation degrees are excluded from the ‘loyalty’ discount scheme. 

6.3 A 25% discount (10% for the University International College affiliated staff) is available to students who are members of staff employed directly by the University (or its Associate Partner Colleges) on a permanent basis. A letter of validation (confirming employment status) will be required from the appropriate Human Resources Department. Where a programme lasts more than one academic year, these discounts are applicable for subsequent years subject to the student still being employed by the University (or its Associate Partner College). 

6.4 A 20% staff family discount is available for any student who has an immediate family member (defined in section 6.6] below) working directly for the University. The staff member must be a permanent member of staff having worked (full or part-time) for the University for at least one calendar year prior to the award of the discount. Where a programme lasts more than one academic year, this 20% discount is applicable for all years but will cease to apply if the family member leaves the employment of the University. 

6.5 A 10% student family discount is available (for each year of study) for any student who has an immediate family member (defined in section 6.6 below) who is currently studying at the University or has graduated from the University. 
6.6 For the purposes of section 6.4 and 6.5, an immediate family member means the student’s: 6.6.1 Brothers or sisters, 6.6.2 Stepbrothers or stepsisters, 6.6.3 Children or stepchildren, 6.6.4 Husband, wife, or civil partner, 6.6.5 Parent or stepparent; or 6.6.6 Grandparents or step grandparents, or grandchildren

6.7 Any claims for discounts will require appropriate evidence, such as (but not limited to): 6.7.1 Birth certificate(s) 6.7.2 Marriage certificate(s) 6.7.3 Civil partnership certificate(s) 

6.8 A student may be eligible for one or more of the above discounts in any one academic year. However, the maximum discount available to a student in any one academic year will not exceed 20% (or 25% if that student is also a member of staff entitled to a discount under section 6.3). 

6.9 The discounts referred to above shall only apply if the student qualifies for the discount on the course start date for the respective academic year. 

6.10 Discounts will be applied annually for each complete year of study (i.e., a course which is 15 months in duration will be awarded one year’s discount).

6.11 Discounts are subject to normal academic progression (i.e., a discount would not apply where a student must repeat some, or all, of their programme).

Taal17:

You might be reading the discount wrong.
It would be 10% for the sibling not per head.

The interpretation of that Section 6.5 is ambiguous.

However it does seem to appear like to qualify for the discount, the siblings must be in different levels of their studies and not the same intake. More like a referral/ Loyalty discount which is why it applies to alumni's. Also note that the 10% discount will be for the qualifying sibling and not the two of you.

To put this in your exact situation, your sister may have to had started her studies after you became a student of the university. But this is my opinion, the University has the final say.

That said, the discount from what you posted is not applied automatically as you will have to apply for it with the necessary evidence. Therefore the school may not agree to apply this retrospectively.

Apply for the current academic year while there is time to secure your discount for this year and the next.

All the best.

@meowvinn
It would be 10% off for either you or your sister not 10 percent off each.

Hello house,
Anyone booked Schenghen visa to Netherlands recently? I've been trying to find an appointment for weeks now and I've been unable to come up with any. Anyone with info to book ASAP please, let me know. I need to be in NL for a conference in a few weeks.
Thanks.

Good evening all,still trying to get accommodation in Uk while in Nigeria.Please I need help on how to get one urgently.Can someone guide me? The area I am looking at is Northern England

kode12:
Hello house,
Anyone booked Schenghen visa to Netherlands recently? I've been trying to find an appointment for weeks now and I've been unable to come up with any. Anyone with info to book ASAP please, let me know. I need to be in NL for a conference in a few weeks.
Thanks.

Hi
My friend and I were able to get dates within a week of search, different applications. You just have to keep checking anytime you can, more than twice a day. I was always seeing Edinburgh but kept searching till I got Manchester for October.

A few weeks is close, hopefully you get a date early enough and not sure a walk-in is permitted for Netherlands.