CAPTIVATOR:


We are talking about Mark 13 !!!!

Its straight and clear, only the Father know the day and hour. And I told you earlier when you said can someone know all things apart from a thing. If you don't know a thing, you don't know all things!!!

MightySparrow:


Apart from Mark 13, other scriptures are wrong right?

You claimed you are called God also, are you in the same class of God of Jesus?
Answer nah!

CAPTIVATOR:


It only means Jesus doesn't know all things.



The God of Jesus, is my God too ( John 20:18) . Jesus isn't Almighty, he has a God, just as I do.

MightySparrow:


Earlier, you claimed that if the day is not determined yet God is not God; are you thinking for God?

Honestly answer the questions:
Are you and Jesus called the same God? John 1: 1?
Are you of the same class of being?

These are simple questions.

Answer directly don't merry - go - round.
I know this is the method of JWs when you want to be dishonest.

CAPTIVATOR:


Jesus said the Father know. How can the Father know a day that's not yet determined ? The word " Know" indicate a knowledge already in the Father's reach.

Just admit the Son doesn't know this and therefore doesn't know all things.


The Greek word in John 1;1 is Theos, I was called Theos too, Where is the class coming from? Humans were called by Almighty God , the exact same thing Jesus was called ... God!

One thing in common - Jesus and You and I have a God. That one is above us all, that is the Almighty God. Speaking about him the bible said there is no one above him - Hebrew 6:13. Concerning Jesus, There is someone above Jesus , whom he can't do anything without getting authority from.

CAPTIVATOR:
See tears

So why Did Jesus contradict his own disciples by saying only the Father knows what he himself also know ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Oshey

That Spirit of man which is a person return to heaven. Which automatically means God's holy dwelling became an haven for all kind of wicked persons by virtue of Emusan.

Knowing this you quickly give a Bonus lie that God send them to Hell after they arrive in heaven. A very stupid assertion actually.

You cited Matthew 10:28 , which of course you are now trying to distance yourself from.

According to Matthew 10:28 - what God send to Hell is BOTH Body and Soul, what God judge has a physical Body!!!!

For Emusan to be valid, it means this Spirit person that return to God has a physical body . If that isn't the case, what return is the Breath of life. An active force of life

Alas! The spirit person return to heaven where it comes from. You can only Return to a place you have once been.

So in fact God gave that Baby in the womb a Spirit person from heaven?

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus said the Father know. How can the Father know a day that's not yet determined ? The word " Know" indicate a knowledge already in the Father's reach.

Just admit the Son doesn't know this and therefore doesn't know all things.

MightySparrow:


You are still dodging the question: are you and Jesus the same class of God, you being called God?

Emusan:


If the knowledge already in Father's reach, it means that same can't be hidden from Jesus.

The screenshot below is where your organization tried to explain Jesus statement 'I and my Father are one'

You can see that your own organization even agreed that The Father and Son are ONE IN INTENTION adding this your own statement that says 'The word "Know" indicate a knowledge already in the Father's reach.'

Now you buried your own lie by your own self.

This statement of yours not only came as strong evidence against you but also shows how evil you people can be just to deny God's word.

Emusan:


See idiotic reasoning and nonsense conclusion on what I NEVER SAID.

WHERE DID YOU SEE DWELL....?
Where did I say God SENT them to Hell AFTER THEY ARRIVE IN HEAVEN?

You must provide where I those statement from my post.

Where did I distance myself from Matt 10:28?

Always spewing nonsense from his empty skull.

With this phrase 'God SEND....' shows you admitted that God determined their end.

Human DO KILLED BODY and has KILLED BILLIONS OF IT, so that statement shows God's power over the INVISIBLE PART OF MAN.

And God determined the END!

He didn't USE TRANSFER AGAIN...

After his lies has been exposed

Oponu oshi

CAPTIVATOR:


God has class now? Interesting

Is Jesus and his Father the same class of God ?

CAPTIVATOR:

Here you said

" Yes! A dead person doesn't have SPIRIT because that is what goes to heaven to give account. " - Emusan

Fact 1: The person's return to heaven, Grand arrival

Fact 2 : They give account, after which God determine their final abode.

To answer the Final abode question, you Cited Matthew 10:28. Which means God send them to Hell.

Your lie was exposed because Matthew 10:28 wasn't reffering to some spirit person's, but rather a Soul with a Functional Physical Body!!!!

Secondly, the presence of physical body proved Matt 10:28 didn't happen in heaven.

God send was a reference to your earlie lie that they are sent to hell. Not mine, nowhere is it written that God send Spirit of men to Hell, because even the bible knows ruach is man's active force of life. Matt 10:28 didn't happen in heaven, it's a reference to A Person with a Functional Physical Body!!!!

You bloody liar

"According to Matthew 10:28 - what God send to Hell is BOTH Body and Soul, what God judge has a physical Body!!!!"

You admitted on this thread that Spirit of man return to heaven, which means it come from there. You can only Return to where you are previously!!!!

If a baby in the womb has a spirit person for Spirit, Do you admitted it means God transferred a spirit person from heaven inside the earthly womb ?

CAPTIVATOR:

Correction: " ONLY " the Father knows. Just one single person. You lost here

So dumb.
Does being one means they are SAME PERSON?

I was even expecting you or the screenshot to say they are ONE SAME PERSON. That's when you have a point. As far as Being ONE doesn't mean they are same person ... The question remains: ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS means only one person know, so why did Jesus lied only one person knows if they are two persons that knows ?

MightySparrow:


Yes


What about your own?

Janosky:


Is John 14:28 & Hebrew 6:13 in your own Bible?

Trinitarians no want to use their brains.

MightySparrow:


John.16.27 - For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
John.17.8 - For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that[b] I came out from thee, [/b]and they have believed that thou didst send me.

MightySparrow:


John.17.5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Mind the bolded.
These are Jesus words. . What do you say?

Janosky:

John 17:21-24
21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us
so that the world may believe that you have sent me.



22 I have given them the glory that you gave me,that they may be one as we are one—"

* In verse 22, did Jesus say he given the glory of verse 5 to the disciples?
Yes.

In verse 21, did Jesus Christ say "the disciples are in US?"



John 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me
because you loved me before the creation of the world.


Oga, according to Jesus Christ @ John 17:24,Where would the disciples see the glory given to them?

In heaven , the disciples dwelling with God and his son Jesus Christ !

John 17:21-24 is another scriptural evidence against the man made invention of Nicene 326 AD.

Janosky:

John 17:21-24
21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us
so that the world may believe that you have sent me.



22 I have given them the glory that you gave me,that they may be one as we are one—"

* In verse 22, did Jesus say he given the glory of verse 5 to the disciples?
Yes.

In verse 21, did Jesus Christ say "the disciples are in US?"



John 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me
because you loved me before the creation of the world.


Oga, according to Jesus Christ @ John 17:24,Where would the disciples see the glory given to them?

In heaven , the disciples dwelling with God and his son Jesus Christ !

John 17:21-24 is another scriptural evidence against the man made invention of Nicene 326 AD.

Emusan:


He has realized his error

That is not the point.

The point is, does what ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS already CONCEIVED or not?

From your previous post you admitted it.

NOW, AT THE TIME JESUS WAS TALKING.

Can The Father hide anything from Jesus Christ?

Don't try to dodge my question.

Then you will realize that, you're the one actually misunderstood Jesus and not that Bible CONTAINS CONTRADICTION or the Apostles made MISTAKE as you previously stated.

If not because you're too dull.

Watchtower article wasn't about proving that The Father and Son are ONE person but HOW TWO PERSONS have indivisible agenda.

Now, since you already admitted that what ONLY THE FATHER KNOW is at the reach of the Father and according to your own organization article that both the Father and Son have ONE INTENTION.


It's evident that Jesus already have the information.

That is how you buried your own lies and delusion.

You have exposed you evil mind to the world that Bible CONTAINS CONTRADICTION and the Apostles made MISTAKE simply because they acknowledged their Lord and Master as having ETERNAL wisdom that your father the Devil doesn't have.

Emusan:

From your facts, now where DWELL and GOD SENT after they ARRIVE IN HEAVEN appeared in my posts, which means it's just from your own delusion for false accusation.

Nice one!
SOUL with a physical body.
Which means SOUL IS INVISIBLE and conscious.
Let's continue

Lying liar.

It was written by you that GOD SEND... here is the complete quote from your post

You see, that is not from me but from your own very lying mouth.

So, you agreed GOD SENT people to somewhere....that is the point.

After your lie about Job got exposed, you have been having restlessness on which lie to hold on to again

He has switched back to his delusion.

Where did you read it from that GOD TRANSFERED HIS SPIRIT TO ANY PREGNANT WOMAN.

MightySparrow:


Yes


What about your own?

CAPTIVATOR:


Spit that fraud

They are not the same Class. One has nobody greater himself ( Hebrew 6:13) , the other admitted Someone is greater than him ( John 14:28)

MightySparrow:


What is the big deal about being great?


Greatness is only measurable among same things.
Can you say a ship is greater than a cow?

Janosky:


John 13:16 is the big deal about being great.


“Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him"


Jesus Christ is NOT greater than Jehovah God who sent His Son,Jesus Christ.

There is hierarchy in the spiritual realm & the physical realm, 1 Corinthians 11:3.
Compare Psalms 103:20 . Psalms 110:1 & John 14:24.

Jesus Christ can NOT command God his Father.
Rather, Jesus Christ is an obedient servant ALWAYS.
Oga receive sense.

CAPTIVATOR:


It only means Jesus doesn't know all things

CAPTIVATOR:

Olodo !

You said the Spirit Person is what " goes to heaven"
The word GOES indicate a movement, getting to heaven indicate an arrival, Yes or no?

After which you pull up Matt 10:28 to say God send them to hell. But the text never happened in heaven. This disjointed analysis of yours exposed the fraud you are trying to promote

Hence the question: since wicked persons spirit return to heaven as admitted by you, what happen to them after ? (Matthew 10:28 did not happen In heaven. )

I just showed you from Matthew 10:28 that Soul is visible, it has a physical body.

" And he destroyed all the souls in it by the mouth of the sword and he did not leave one of them breathing, and Khetsur he burned in fire " Aramaic Bible Joshua 11:11

How come Joshua destroy souls with sword if Soul is invisible?

See Your life

But Matthew 10:28 didn't happen in heaven!!!! Its about humans with functional body! N
So it's not a reference to your assertion that
some mythical Spirit person's go to heaven and get redirected to hell .

Spirit of man that go to heaven stays with God!!!!!!!!! Its man's breath of life.


Eccl 12:7 says return to God who gave it. It stays right there with God in Heaven. Your stupid assertion is forcing you to claim it left heaven for another place

If you claim the baby in the mother's womb is has a spirit person from heaven within it, it simply means God transferred a spirit person inside the womb. I didn't know your aim is to let us know Jesus birth isn't unique, God has been putting a spirit person from heaven into wombs everyday. So silly

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus said he doesn't have that knowledge!

If Jesus have the information, that makes him a Liar to claim only the Father knows , when he does know as well.

The word " ONLY " the Father as exposed you for the fraudster you are

So why did he Lie that the Son doesn't know ?

Your head isn't correct .

Emusan:
For final warning.

Never DODGE MY QUESTION(S)



According to you "The word "Know" indicate a knowledge already in the Father's reach."


If the knowledge of the day already in the Father's reach, does that means there's something the Father HIDE FROM THE SON?

THIS IS WHERE YOU KILLED AND BURIED YOUR OWN LYING MOUTH.
because you didn't understand Jesus and the reason you're dodging my question.

But the people 2ho understand that The Father and The Son ARE ONE EVEN IN INTENTION (even as your lying organization understand it) know Jesus knows ALL THINGS, the ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AND JESUS NEVER CORRECT THEM simply because they know There's nothing the Father knows they the Son doesn't know.

In fact, that was the key POINT in that disciples STATEMENT.

But a lying lair like you who know the gravity of that statement as you're the son of your father the Devil DECIDED TO SAY the disciples MADE MISTAKE AND THAT MADE BIBLE TO CONTAIN CONTRADICTION

Something you can never say in front of your gods in Warwick.

Emusan:


Lying liar!

Just says your dull brain falsely ASSUME AND CONCLUDE that in your empty brain.

The TEXT talks about God having POWER OVER HUMAN FINAL DESTINATION.

Oponu.

IF SOUL IS VISIBLE IT MEANS THERE IS A VISIBLE PART INSIDE OUR BODY.

Kai....this your delusion is getting out of hand.

Now, fain ignorance as if one word has JUST ONE MEANING

God has the final say OVER THE DEATH, scripture already proved that HUMAN SPIRIT RETURNED TO HEAVEN.

The same scripture also proved that Human Spirit is a PERSON for having the POWER TO KNOW THOUGHT.

You still couldn't provide counter argument that INANIMATE OBJECT CAN KNOW THE THOUGHT



GOOD!

So spirit of WICKED PEOPLE ARE WITH GOD,

IS THAT YOUR FINAL ANSWER?

Where did I make the @color part?

Very dull person with useless assumption.

Just remove the part GOD TRANSFERRED and watch how your delusion disappeared in your presence.

Till then continue in your delusion or until you borrow sense to understand this simple statement.

God gave every human spirit and the scripture testify that the spirit is a person as the spirit has ability to KNOW THOUGHT.

Sand2022:


I want to ask you. When God told Abram to go sacrifice his son to test his obedience, does it mean God doesn't know all things? When God went to check whether Sodom had done according to the complaint He hears about them, does it mean God didn't know whether the allegation against Sodom was prior to that time? So technically God doesn't know all things?

The organization teach that God didn't know that Adam will rebel when he created Adam. Isn't that true? So God technically doesn't know all things according to the organization right?