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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Singapore1(m): 1:31pm On Sep 29
nateevs:


And if my Grandma had wheels, she would have been a bike.

Maresca understands the Jackson moves the ball during build-up play with alacrity; which allows his system to work effectively. The system relies on all support casts arriving in the box for a higher xG. Maresca understands that the sacrifice is that Jackson is not as clinical as Haaland, and he still misses a handful..... but the collective team effort will be better for it.

It's very similar to what Maresca said about Sanchez's mistakes yesterday.

Remove Jackson, put Osimhen, and xG for all support casts probably reduces. Osimhen probably doesn't even get to be in position to miss the chances that Jackson is missing in the first place. Overall movement, fluidity and collective effort reduces, which could reflect on overall scoring output.... whereas Osimhen might be topping the charts in the league.

This is how system football works. It does not mean that "removing this player for that player", and now everything starts to click. The only way it works better is if you can find a player that combines the best qualities of Jackson and Haaland.

Don't let actors like Airmark tell you otherwise. grin grin


You can even see it with nkunku
airmark:


grin

Still image or still steel legs, too heavy to swiftly hit the ball? Thank God that Palmer wasn't as wasteful yesterday.

Palmer wasted more clean chances than Jackson yesterday
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by DumaEmpire(m): 1:53pm On Sep 29
Singapore1:


You can even see it with nkunku


Palmer wasted more clean chances than Jackson yesterday



But he scored 4 extra goals to make up for the 2 he missed.

That's what sets him apart. If we had to rely on Jackson, after those misses we're definitely losing or drawing the game.

That's the difference. Its not like Jackson somehow makes up for his misses. Once he don miss he don miss and can do that over and over again.

Dude already fumbled that chance for the first goal. We were lucky Palmer was there at that time to get that pass if not na another straight miss.

The thing about Jackson is when he's on an off day, then its all over. He can miss 20 chances and not score 1. He's not the type to miss and make up for it. Na till next match then if he's on his "on day" he goes on to score and that calling out those who don't see him as elite levels which he isn't right now

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 2:11pm On Sep 29
Ipswich have gone ahead against Villa. Martinez will be disappointed.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 2:19pm On Sep 29
BlueMann:
Ipswich have gone ahead against Villa. Martinez will be disappointed.

Like clockwork, they've conceded the equaliser. Giveaway to Rogers
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:20pm On Sep 29
Singapore1:


You can even see it with nkunku


Palmer wasted more clean chances than Jackson yesterday




How many did they miss each?

I am not sure Palmer missed an empty net like this yesterday. You may post the image to remind me.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 2:30pm On Sep 29
nateevs:


So you are inevitably saying that you know about some training methods that the whole Chelsea apparatus is not privy to.

Even God is facepalming at this point.

grin grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 2:33pm On Sep 29
airmark:


You asked us not to sign a new LWF and also wanted us to sign an experienced CB. Sancho now has 3 assists in 3 matches.

You are a very poor football analyst as we focused more on attack in the summer window against your wish and now winning matches with Sancho and without your so-called experienced CB.

Replace your wasteful and epileptic Jackson with a better finisher, and we will be a strong contender for the Epl title.

Cover your face in shame.

airmark:


Maybe you didn't have data when I was asking for 1 LWF that could dribble in tight spaces and Timbros was strongly against it.

Had we got a clinical finisher, we would have beaten Crystal Palace and be leading the table now and become a strong contender for the trophy after spending over 1bn on players.

My opinion on football is too complex for casuals and my high expectation of a striker is alien to Gen Z Chelsea fans. But that's not my problem.

Jackson burying this chance would have seen us topping the table today, but most of you wouldn't see it.

One thing I won't take from you is lying against me. I'm still alive and my posts are still here, untampered. I made the post below on the 20th of February in response to Jodera who asked how I will spend 200m of I was the coach...

Why are you lying against me?

timbros:


grin grin

If I can get ONLY 3 players with 200m, I'll get a CB and CF. The last spot will be either of LW/RB/LB.

Fofana, Chilwell, James all have terrible injury records. Silva is already semi retired. These are defensive positions that needs reinforcement critically. I have not even mentioned the goalkeeper department.

Our left and central side of attack currently needs upgrade.

So you see that our problem is not just attack.

And apart from just signing players, we need a coach that can actually upgrade the players we currently have. A different coach can come in and change these crop of players to monsters and drop the jaw of football world. These are young players that can be moulded.

Mourinho came into Chelsea in 2004 and suddenly Geremi became solid. Terry became a rock. Lampard already have the talent but he became much much more better. Joe Cole became a terrorist. Even soft Glenn Johnson deliver wenever he was called upon..... All these are players Mourinho met in Chelsea. So apart from his signings, he still improved the players he met in the club.

Chelsea issue is not just attack.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:40pm On Sep 29
nateevs:


And if my Grandma had wheels, she would have been a bike.

Maresca understands the Jackson moves the ball during build-up play with alacrity; which allows his system to work effectively.


grin grin grin

We can get strikers that do that and still won't be as wasteful as Jackson. That's what we need to compete for the Epl title. Without Palmer yesterday, we would have lost, so I don't understand this Jackson being the one making Maresca's system to work effectively. Nkunku rescued us against Bournemouth when Jackson was playing nonsense. Palmer also rescued us yesterday. We know who is making Maresca's system to work effectively and it's not Jackson.

nateevs:

The system relies on all support casts arriving in the box for a higher xG. Maresca understands that the sacrifice is that Jackson is not as clinical as Haaland, and he still misses a handful..... but the collective team effort will be better for it.

It's very similar to what Maresca said about Sanchez's mistakes yesterday.

Remove Jackson, put Osimhen, and xG for all support casts probably reduces. Osimhen probably doesn't even get to be in position to miss the chances that Jackson is missing in the first place. Overall movement, fluidity and collective effort reduces, which could reflect on overall scoring output.... whereas Osimhen might be topping the charts in the league.

Good that you didn't state that Osimhen would be missing all those big chances Jackson has missed. We both agree that Osimhen is a better finisher and that's enough. Claiming that he wouldn't be positioning himself for chances like Jackson does, is speculation that can be easily thrown out of the window with Osimhen's goal stats with Lille and Napoli, with inferior quality of ball passers.

Get a natural finisher that won't need wingers to be running into the box all the time, because of his wastefulness in the box and at the same time defending deep as required. We must not kill our support casts because of one wasteful striker. A clinical finisher will relieve such unnecessary burden.

nateevs:


Don't let actors like Airmark tell you otherwise. grin grin


grin

I also acted on Morata that you defended shockingly and we saw how it ended. We know how this will end too and who the actor will be at the end of the day.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Singapore1(m): 2:40pm On Sep 29
airmark:


How many did they miss each?

I am not sure Palmer missed an empty net like this yesterday. You may post the image to remind me.

This picture doesn't do it justice. I'm one of Jackson's critics, but this one isn't accurate. He did everything right, the defender literally cleared the ball away from the net. It's not like Jackson missed it entirely.

There's also improvement from last season. You can see it in how he messed up the first goal but quickly fixed it by passing to Palmer.

Palmer could have easily scored 7 goals yesterday

DumaEmpire:

But he scored 4
The thing about Jackson is when he's on an off day, then its all over. He can miss 20 chances and not score 1. He's not the type to miss and make up for it. Na till next match then if he's on his "on day" he goes on to score and that calling out those who don't see him as elite levels which he isn't right now


This is irrelevant we are talking about chance missed

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:56pm On Sep 29
Singapore1:


This picture doesn't do it justice. I'm one of Jackson's critics, but this one isn't accurate. He did everything right, the defender literally cleared the ball away from the net. It's not like Jackson missed it entirely.

Unfortunately this is how a casual football viewer like you and Nateevs will see it, but a sound coach will suspend him to agility and footwork drills in the next training session.

I am still waiting for the number of clean chances missed by both Palmer and Jackson.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by swiz123(m): 3:10pm On Sep 29
lordfalcao:
I don't need to argue with you.

Anybody who watched that game knew that was a well taken shot, which was blocked by a Defender.

Jackson did everything there excellently

I think you are a defender. Anyone who played as a forward knows Jackson was just being a wastepipe there.

I remember Lewandowski in similar instance, rounded a goal keeper, took a quick look at the post and hit the ball in the opposite direction of an unrushing defender. It is a normal striker's awareness around the box.

Go back and look at that video and see Jackson, bizarrely taking a quick look toward to opposite direction of the post before firing. He didn't even see the unrushing defender.

Striker's have instinct and and see non where Jackson is.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Sportsweb: 3:12pm On Sep 29
swiz123:


He should score of Senegal first or even start a dead rubber game for them in a tourney then let's start a conversation.
Nothing concern me with senegal.

I don't rate Jackson that much.

But when it comes to Kai vs Jackson. Jackson na em father. numbers don't lie


Jackson will still outscore Kai this season

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by DumaEmpire(m): 3:16pm On Sep 29
Singapore1:


This picture doesn't do it justice. I'm one of Jackson's critics, but this one isn't accurate. He did everything right, the defender literally cleared the ball away from the net. It's not like Jackson missed it entirely.

There's also improvement from last season. You can see it in how he messed up the first goal but quickly fixed it by passing to Palmer.

Palmer could have easily scored 7 goals yesterday




This is irrelevant we are talking about chance missed
Airmark clearly stated he was glad Palmer wasn't as wasteful as Jackson.

You said Palmer wasted more chances. I made it clear to you that the difference is yea, he might have missed but still scored 4 goals which is the difference cos when Jackson misses then it's over for the day.

You begin turn eba.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 3:18pm On Sep 29
airmark:


I tell you. He had like 4 1v1s yesterday.
1v1 must have another meaning.

For Jackson to have 4 yesterday
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 3:20pm On Sep 29
nateevs:


And if my Grandma had wheels, she would have been a bike.

Maresca understands the Jackson moves the ball during build-up play with alacrity; which allows his system to work effectively. The system relies on all support casts arriving in the box for a higher xG. Maresca understands that the sacrifice is that Jackson is not as clinical as Haaland, and he still misses a handful..... but the collective team effort will be better for it.

It's very similar to what Maresca said about Sanchez's mistakes yesterday.

Remove Jackson, put Osimhen, and xG for all support casts probably reduces. Osimhen probably doesn't even get to be in position to miss the chances that Jackson is missing in the first place. Overall movement, fluidity and collective effort reduces, which could reflect on overall scoring output.... whereas Osimhen might be topping the charts in the league.

This is how system football works. It does not mean that "removing this player for that player", and now everything starts to click. The only way it works better is if you can find a player that combines the best qualities of Jackson and Haaland.

Don't let actors like Airmark tell you otherwise. grin grin

all citadel students and their principal are unintelligent
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by DumaEmpire(m): 3:28pm On Sep 29
lordfalcao:
1v1 must have another meaning.

For Jackson to have 4 yesterday
How many did he miss? Or he didn't miss any in your view?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Whizlight(m): 3:30pm On Sep 29
popizaino:


How someone watch that thing consistently and still calls him a generational talent is very baffling .
Makes me believe Delusion is real thing
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 3:30pm On Sep 29
airmark:


grin grin grin

We can get strikers that do that and still won't be as wasteful as Jackson. That's what we need to compete for the Epl title. Without Palmer yesterday, we would have lost, so I don't understand this Jackson being the one making Maresca's system to work effectively. Nkunku rescued us against Bournemouth when Jackson was playing nonsense. Palmer also rescued us yesterday. We know who is making Maresca's system to work effectively and it's not Jackson.



Good that you didn't state that Osimhen would be missing all those big chances Jackson has missed. We both agree that Osimhen is a better finisher and that's enough. Claiming that he wouldn't be positioning himself for chances like Jackson does, is speculation that can be easily thrown out of the window with Osimhen's goal stats with Lille and Napoli, with inferior quality of ball passers.

Get a natural finisher that won't need wingers to be running into the box all the time, because of his wastefulness in the box and at the same time defending deep as required. We must not kill our support casts because of one wasteful striker. A clinical finisher will relieve such unnecessary burden.



grin

I also acted on Morata that you defended shockingly and we saw how it ended. We know how this will end too and who the actor will be at the end of the day.


Airmark, tell us the natural finisher you want. Last year, it was Vlahovic throughout. Before the season started, it was Dovbyk Dovbyk Dovbyk...... and then Guirassy Guirassy....

Now you are looking every week and seeing that Jackson the wasteful is outperforming your favourites...... then you moved to Gyokeres to make it look like you were always in the know.

You are a poor assessor of strikers. You are in no position to lecture others. Anybody can cast a large net over a number of strikers, hit on one, and now not make us hear word.

If anybody can go through Airmark's posts in the last year alone, and fetch us the number of times he asked us to sign Dovbyk as the perfect replacement for Jackson, I will pay that person N50k.

And now, he's slowly walking away from his beloved Dovbyk, just like he tried walking back on Jackson last week, when it seemed like Jackson was on a roll.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Altern8tor: 3:40pm On Sep 29
In as much as I don't really like how Jackson misses chances,,one thing about football is that wen there's no pressure on a player to score he may not score especially after palmer put in 4goals.. The way city is built now,, if Halaand isn't scoring they run into problems,, reason why they dropped points yesterday,, even though other attackers can score.... There's need for team balance to avoid unpleasant occurrences
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Singapore1(m): 3:49pm On Sep 29
DumaEmpire:
Airmark clearly stated he was glad Palmer wasn't as wasteful as Jackson.

You said Palmer wasted more chances. I made it clear to you that the difference is yea, he might have missed but still scored 4 goals which is the difference cos when Jackson misses then it's over for the day.

You begin turn eba.

Then i could have made the same argument, Jackson has 7 G/A this season in 6 games.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 3:52pm On Sep 29
DumaEmpire:
How many did he miss? Or he didn't miss any in your view?
did he miss 4 1v1,? let me first know if you understand what 1v1 is
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 3:55pm On Sep 29
nateevs:



Airmark, tell us the natural finisher you want. Last year, it was Vlahovic throughout. Before the season started, it was Dovbyk Dovbyk Dovbyk...... and then Guirassy Guirassy....

Now you are looking every week and seeing that Jackson the wasteful is outperforming your favourites...... then you moved to Gyokeres to make it look like you were always in the know.

You are a poor assessor of strikers. You are in no position to lecture others. Anybody can cast a large net over a number of strikers, hit on one, and now not make us hear word.

If anybody can go through Airmark's posts in the last year alone, and fetch us the number of times he asked us to sign Dovbyk as the perfect replacement for Jackson, I will pay that person N50k.

And now, he's slowly walking away from his beloved Dovbyk, just like he tried walking back on Jackson last week, when it seemed like Jackson was on a roll.
someone who was wanted

Piatek, jovic, belotti, scamaca amongst host of others is in no position to know a striker
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MorataFC: 3:57pm On Sep 29
andrewbaba44:
Make Man U no sack ten Haag sha ,na Wetin I Dey pray for be that 🙏

At least if na only them I go Dey laugh since chelsea don Dey play well e no bad grin

Oluwa banter must always keep 1 team for us to make everyone happy
How can someone house you, accommodate you, you eat their food and drink their water, and in turn you are looking for their downfall?
It is only in this thread you get relevance, are you related to Judas? grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Enzo5: 4:04pm On Sep 29
Without son I don't see tottenham beating this perfectly looking united team on paperz except eth sells the game, it's a home game a draw should be okay for all parties
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibunkun1(m): 4:06pm On Sep 29
Kimbeast:
We are still playing chaos ball just like under Poch which is bringing in results. What we saw in pre season with what we are playing now is totally different. We have Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United, Newcastle and Aston villa in our next six league matches. Enzo is about to face a baptism of fire. All these talk of topping table and being contenders after 6 games are so premature and hilarious.

You’re spot on actually.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by drisham(m): 4:10pm On Sep 29
airmark:
I remember Amokachi's goal in USA 94. A Striker needs to be swift, attacking the ball in this situation.

Use of still images
Jackson did well to control the pass .lose balance and hesitated to shoot ..proper defending from Lewis dunk
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by drisham(m): 4:21pm On Sep 29
Kimbeast:
We are still playing chaos ball just like under Poch which is bringing in results. What we saw in pre season with what we are playing now is totally different. We have Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United, Newcastle and Aston villa in our next six league matches. Enzo is about to face a baptism of fire. All these talk of topping table and being contenders after 6 games are so premature and hilarious.

Abeggi
Allow us enjoy the moment

When the baptism of fire comes we will be there

We went through potter and finished 12th
Went through poch

Easy abeg

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by drisham(m): 4:23pm On Sep 29
Amigoss:
Despite having better players around him than jackson grin

Palmer topping this list once he plays his 40th pl match for us
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by DumaEmpire(m): 4:24pm On Sep 29
lordfalcao:
did he miss 4 1v1,? let me first know if you understand what 1v1 is
You're stalling and romancing words.

Somebody beat his chest to say Jackson missed 4 1v1s... you clearly no agree.

And that's why i asked in your own personal view of the game did he miss or not. If he did then how many. It's a very direct question
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by DumaEmpire(m): 4:28pm On Sep 29
For the record i don't have a personal beef with Jackson. I think he's just there like a normal decent striker. Not a prolific one.

I see stats raking up nd down that he's the first player to do this and that, makes me remember when Tammy Abraham was dropping numbers up and down.

I think we're very lucky that we don't have to rely sole on Jackson for goals. The other players are there stepping up cos if we had to do that then we definitely won't be competent enough to worry City or Assnal anytime soon
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by DumaEmpire(m): 4:30pm On Sep 29
Singapore1:


Then i could have made the same argument, Jackson has 7 G/A this season in 6 games.
Yea you could have and that would definitely have been of huge irrelevance cos we're talking about the match from yesterday
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 4:33pm On Sep 29
Wow! Goal.

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