raumdeuter:


Anyone can choose to pick any way of life they want as long as they are in the majority which is what democracy is about

Will of the people for the people

Except the will of the people may oppose my body my choice.

All the majority can decide is whether I my choice in a state where their choice opposes my choice. And in this instance, unless the majority want to handmaid tail me, they can't exactly stop me travelling out of their state to go and my choice elsewhere. They can throw me in jail when I return of course, but I don't think any politician in any state would survive their jails being full of abortees.

raumdeuter:


What character exactly when we know no politician is a choir boy except those who lie about who they are

This, I guess, is why non-choir boy Tinubu is our president of Nigeria. And the fact we didn't care about character is the reason we are rejoicing now, I suppose.

IjeBos:


You seem to miss the point a lot. It's not whether Harris prefers being called Kamala. It's why I chose to call here Kamala.
And thinking about it and seeing the data from the studies, I realized that I and probably a lot of people have an implicit bias around this. And thus it is something I chose to be aware of and correct.
I am comfortable with my own growth and evaluating my biases when I see evidence that one may exist.
You should explore the insecurity you have that you consider that a feminine trait.

You seem chalk full of toxic masculinity. Combined with your third tier education, I see why you have a predilection for wannabe strong men like Trump. You have all the traits of an emotionally frail man.

This post is exactly why you are a morron, People tell you what they want to be addressed as Kamala introduced herself the way she likes to be addressed. Many women have done the same. You the village idiott who has never been a woman for 1second in your miserable life is here wearing cape when they didnt ask you

What should should be evaluating is your lack of success in all facet of life as a result of your poor education and mental illness

So Kamala is exuding toxic masculinity, Amazon is also exuding toxic masculinity, but its the confused Ijebos that is showing femininity? You now see that you are really insane

budaatum:

Basically, Americans are not complacent, as I said.


As in, if Americans become complacent, which is unlikely.


The fear mongering is indicative of a lack of complacency. Complacent people do not fear and therefore end up with weak institutions.

One just need compare to complacent Nigeria, where about 94 million registered to vote and less than 9 milion elected the president and about 20 million in total voted. That, is complacency. A malardy America does not suffer from, and the reason their democracy is strong.

Where's the lie in this?...

In addition to that, majority of Nigerians are unwise (I tend to use the word, zombies) when it comes to voting. Nigeria is suffering today, not because of bad governance, but because of majority unwise voters.

Politicians are the same everywhere, but in a society where "we the people" make the politicians accountable, especially with their wise or majority wise votes, politicians will have no choice but to render good governance... cos that's the only way to grab and retain power.

Take Nigerian politicians to America, and they will perform well. Bring American politicians to Nigeria and they will perform worse, especially with some of those rascal GOP politicians. Why? One society has a strong politically accountable system thanks to "we the people", especially with their wise or majority wise votes, while the other society lacks such.

As I always say, a democratic nation is as sound as it voters or majority of its voters.


#Xavier

Xavier5:


Honestly, this implicit bias you're talking about is alien to me. I've always called people by first name or their full name, and if there's a title, I add it. Yes, at times I call people by their surnames if that's what I noticed they are often being called with, and this has nothing to do with sexism to me, because I do it both to males and females.

For example, I call Kamala Harris, Harris. Sometimes, Kamala, other times Kamala Harris, Vice President, Vice President Harris, Vice President Kamala or Vice President Kamala Harris. This is also applicable to the way I call Trump with the exclusion that I've never called him, Donald, and that's because I rarely hear people call him that, so I just go with the flow, unlike Kamala Harris that gets called often with Kamala, Harris or Kamala Harris. To me, this has nothing to do with sexism, but rather how a person is often called by people. And this, I think, is applicable to lots of people. Not everything is sexism.


#Xavier

When I keep telling him about victimhood, that is what happens when you see yourself as a perpetual victim, everything out there is against you, even the wind will seem like its against you. When you have a hammer everything looks like a nail, when you have victim mentality, every thing becomes discrimination

Help us ask him why Pelosi, Thatcher, Sotomayor Stefanik etc are not addressed by their first name or they are not female enough

Xavier5:


Good for you, but here's the thing, what you think of me is useless and irrelevant. You can scream center right from now till tomorrow if it makes you feel good, but that doesn't make me that.

Like it or not, I'm a liberal... a liberal that's enormously committed to Liberal values such as; Human rights and value, liberty, equality, reasoning, open mindedness, progressiveness, democracy, consent of the governed, truth etc

And these liberal values prevents me from going radical in my liberalism. They prevent me from ass licking the left wing, but rather make me stand for what's true and objective. They make me call out the bullshit, irrespective of whether it's left or right, and to commend goodness, irrespective of it's left or right. That's just it.

Commitment to these values make me clash with some liberals at times, which results in the tag, "not liberal enough", because I chose not to accept their myopic or radical liberal views that now dominate 21st century liberalism.

So if my commitment to those liberal values make me "not liberal enough", or make you think I'm center right simply because I clash with you on some issues, then so be it. But irrespective of what you or anyone here thinks, I, Xavier is a liberal... a proud liberal for that matter, but not a radical one, that's the difference, and nothing will ever change that.


#Xavier

Words have meaning and you can't change words to suit you.

What you espouse in this thread is not liberal ideology. If you ran on what you espoused, no liberal would vote for you.
Bernie Sanders is liberal. AOC is liberal. Elizabeth Warren is liberal. You are not liberal.
Look it, Liberals wouldn't think the Wall St. Journal is unbiased. The Wall St Journal is known to be Conservative outlet in it's editorializing.

Read this part of your post. Liberal and Conservative ideology is diametrically opposed to each other. Conservatives reject change and tolerate inequality and liberals want to advance change and oppose inequality. Liberals would not be seeing eye to eye with someone who thinks immigrants like the Haitians are basically animals. The phrase "liberals and conservatives seeing eye to eye with each other" sounds nice but it is a literary flourish without meaning.

And I'm 100% in agreement with that. For the first time in a long time, I saw liberals and conservatives seeing eye to eye with each other, and disagreeing respectively in the comments. For the first time in a long while, patriotism was the order of the day. The aura of Vance and Walz truly rubbed off on the audience.

And lastly, no liberal would say Desantis, Vivek would be a great president. Desantis believes in book burning. He is so antithetical to liberalism. He is literally illiberal. Destanus and Vivek are smarter Trump's. And would a liberal say they would vote for Trump?

budaatum:


Except the will of the people may oppose my body my choice.

All the majority can decide is whether I my choice in a state where their choice opposes my choice. And in this instance, unless the majority want to handmaid tail me, they can't exactly stop me travelling out of their state to go and my choice elsewhere. They can throw me in jail when I return of course, but I don't think any politician in any state would survive their jails being full of abortees.

If the will of the people is at disonance with my personal belief then I live with it or leave the place. There are some laws where you live that you might not be okay with same with me

For example I am very much in support of death penalty for certain crimes. e.g if you are a mass shooter, I think your trial should be quick and within 4 months you should be killed, e.g Adam Lanza, the South Carolina church shooter, the Boston marathon bomber etc trial should have been quick and given the death penalty but in certain states the death penalty is illegal. It pains me to see those abhorrent criminal live one extra day but what can I do?

budaatum:


This, I guess, is why non-choir boy Tinubu is our president of Nigeria. And the fact we didn't care about character is the reason we are rejoicing now, I suppose.

The same with every country, None of their leaders is a choir boy. They are regular people who represent the average morality of the society.

raumdeuter:


Anyone can choose to pick any way of life they want as long as they are in the majority which is what democracy is about

Will of the people for the people

Ohhh anyone can choose to pick any way of life they want -- for a second there I thought you were once a maga cultist moderate who became a deranged rabid maga troll.

You know it's hard to regain your former self if you are still in bed with the rapist traitor trump. You just have to get out of the cult for your mental health sake.

raumdeuter:


The same with every country, None of their leaders is a choir boy. They are regular people who represent the average morality of the society.

Ahhh 😂😂

Come and see Rebranding! LOL 😁

What happened to this maga cultist? Seems we've done a number on him.

Even basilico loco will be co-confused with this new you.

Xavier5:


Honestly, this implicit bias you're talking about is alien to me. I've always called people by first name or their full name, and if there's a title, I add it. Yes, at times I call people by their surnames if that's what I noticed they are often being called with, and this has nothing to do with sexism to me, because I do it both to males and females.

For example, I call Kamala Harris, Harris. Sometimes, Kamala, other times Kamala Harris, Vice President, Vice President Harris, Vice President Kamala or Vice President Kamala Harris. This is also applicable to the way I call Trump with the exclusion that I've never called him, Donald, and that's because I rarely hear people call him that, so I just go with the flow, unlike Kamala Harris that gets called often with Kamala, Harris or Kamala Harris. To me, this has nothing to do with sexism, but rather how a person is often called by people. And this, I think, is applicable to lots of people. Not everything is sexism.
#Xavier

I did bias training a couple of years ago. When I did the 'evaluation' there were some biases I had I wasn't aware of. It wasn't until I thought about did I realize it. It you have never done implied bias training, you should, it's interesting.

So, one thing that you said, is no one calls Trump, Donald. I know his full name, I think everyone does. I even know his initial, Donald J. Trump. He signs it everywhere. But the world calls him Trump. I write Trump. Sometimes rarely they call him Donald Trump. But noone ever calls him Donald. Why? A man whose signature is strength is never called his first name. Think about it.
Onto, Biden. People rarely if ever call him his first name. Sometimes Joe Biden, but rarely if ever Joe. In 2020, Biden had a bus tour, where his slogan was "JOE, No Malarkey". But still he is rarely called Joe. Why?
Yet Harris is more likely than not to be called Kamala than Harris. Why? You dismissed it easily. You didn't explain the apparent contradiction in the treatments of all 3.

And FYI, that flow you talk about is sexism and when we go with it unawares it becomes an implied bias.

raumdeuter:


If the will of the people is at disonance with my personal belief then I live with it or leave the place. There are some laws where you live that you might not be okay with same with me

For example I am very much in support of death penalty for certain crimes. e.g if you are a mass shooter, I think your trial should be quick and within 4 months you should be killed, e.g Adam Lanza, the South Carolina church shooter, the Boston marathon bomber etc trial should have been quick and given the death penalty but in certain states the death penalty is illegal. It pains me to see those abhorrent criminal live one extra day but what can I do?

What about fraudsters like the rapist trump or a coup plotter? Seems those crimes washed over your oily moon shine head lol.

raumdeuter:


This post is exactly why you are a morron, People tell you what they want to be addressed as Kamala introduced herself the way she likes to be addressed. Many women have done the same. You the village idiott who has never been a woman for 1second in your miserable life is here wearing cape when they didnt ask you

What should should be evaluating is your lack of success in all facet of life as a result of your poor education and mental illness

So Kamala is exuding toxic masculinity, Amazon is also exuding toxic masculinity, but its the confused Ijebos that is showing femininity? You now see that you are really insane

Observers will read through your tepid post and actually agree with Ijebos, that you are an emotionally frail man. He owned up to his bias and told you there's a fault that needs fixing.

But here you are trying to stand on the moral point when you have no right, so long you support the rapist felon trump who mispronounces Kamala's name all the time and who even said she was "born mentally disabled".

Stop fooling yourself cheap man.

raumdeuter:


Will Liz tell the crowd which of the Republican policies she spent her entire life defending and made her a Republican that Harris will be implementing when in office?

Brooooo!

It's not about policies here you wing nut.

It was clear from the start that they never agree on anything, but one thing they wouldn't stand for was the rapist trump's dereliction of duty on Jan 6th. The rapist knew he lost and even endangered the life of Mike Pence on that day.

Stop fooling yourself man.

I guess the guards at the asylum are on recess

armyofone:


Ja! That's great woman! A real Amazonian!

Not like the one that just started singing my body my choice like hummingbird today to sell her books.

Act of the "bookseller"

Absolutely no one believes Melania the grifter's stand on abortion.
Just check all her grift down to charging CNN for an interview, republicans don't really listen to her.

IjeBos:


Words have meaning and you can't change words to suit you.

What you espouse in this thread is not liberal ideology. If you ran on what you espoused, no liberal would vote for you.
Bernie Sanders is liberal. AOC is liberal. Elizabeth Warren is liberal. You are not liberal.
Look it, Liberals wouldn't think the Wall St. Journal is unbiased. The Wall St Journal is known to be Conservative outlet in it's editorializing.

Read this part of your post. Liberal and Conservative ideology is diametrically opposed to each other. Conservatives reject change and tolerate inequality and liberals want to advance change and oppose inequality. Liberals would not be seeing eye to eye with someone who thinks immigrants like the Haitians are basically animals. The phrase "liberals and conservatives seeing eye to eye with each other" sounds nice but it is a literary flourish without meaning.



And lastly, no liberal would say Desantis, Vivek would be a great president. Desantis believes in book burning. He is so antithetical to liberalism. He is literally illiberal. Destanus and Vivek are smarter Trump's.

@bolded, define liberalism, and explain how Xavier doesn't fit into it?

@colored, show me where I supported that statement by Trump? If you've been observant, and not try to say BS simply because it suits your narrative, you would have seen multiple times where I criticized and ridiculed Trump for making that statement.

Bro you can scream all you want about me not being liberal. That's your damn business. But the truth remains, your view of me is irrelevant and useless.

Every socio-political view I hold is rooted in a liberal value, and when I express those views, I make sure I reveal the liberal values they are based on. That's it.

So if my view, or whom I choose to support, triggers you, that's your issue to deal with. But the fact remains, screaming Xavier is not a liberal won't stop Xavier from being a proud liberal.

As for Vivek, I support him because he's smart, patriotic and passionate. Same way I support folks like Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosy, Tim Walz etc. Reasoning and open mindedness, which are liberal values, demands I do such while also prompting me not to agree with all their views and policies. Supporting someone doesn't mean you have to agree with him or her on every thing.

So, as I said, if it makes you feel good to believe whatever you wish to believe of me, then be my guest. But, I will always say it, as a person, I live my life base on liberal values of truth, reasoning, progressiveness, open mindedness, liberty, human rights and value, equality, democracy etc. If that's not one being a liberal, then good for you.

When you started these "branding", it was funny, but now it's just so ridiculous and annoying. But to settle this unnecessary argument, just respond to the first question I asked, what's liberalism, and how does Xavier not fit into that?

And would a liberal say they would vote for Trump?

And talking about Trump, show me where I said I would vote for Trump?

I've always made it known, that far as Kamala and Trump are on the presidential ticket, I wash my hands off the election. So please, stop saying things that were never said. You are just fond of saying imaginary BS in other to suit your narrative. If that makes you feel good, then good.



#Xavier

raumdeuter:


Places like Kansas already put it on the ballot and it won. Let every state decide through the ballot what they want

But the rapist trump is still looking for the 11,780 votes in Georgia. Just yesterday he never agreed that he lost the 2020 election. Your rapist overlord won't allow every state to count their ballots and decide without his interference.

Get out of the cult, so you can stop making a wuss of yourself. There's no argument here that makes you appear intelligent unless you pull out your rectum from under the maga cult's ass.

IjeBos:


She is mentally ill.
She seemed not to understand the consequences even when the Judge was talking to her.
Something is broken there.

She was basilico loco's heroine. The rapist trump called her a "star".

They are all lunatics.

budaatum:


I think Liz Cheney is telling you character is more important than policies this time around.

The deranged maga troll doesn't understand what character means when he has a worship picture of the rapist trump hanged in his cubicle.

budaatum:


The bright side is she got 9 years of wall staring to heal herself of her brokenness.

😂😂😂😂

ObaIgwe1:


True, she even listed many of those in her speech, but Trump doesn't share many of these values and the reality is that without democracy and peaceful transfer of power, all will be lost. So while she still hold dear those values, she will join hands with others to rid the elephant in the room.

That is what Patriots do.

basilico loco thinks the patriots are the maga cultists who beat up capitol police and walked the halls with confederate flags.

IjeBos:


I did bias training a couple of years ago. When I did the 'evaluation' there were some biases I had I wasn't aware of. It wasn't until I thought about did I realize it. It you have never done implied bias training, you should, it's interesting.

So, one thing that you said, is no one calls Trump, Donald. I know his full name, I think everyone does. I even know his initial, Donald J. Trump. He signs it everywhere. But the world calls him Trump. I write Trump. Sometimes rarely they call him Donald Trump. But noone ever calls him Donald. Why? A man whose signature is strength is never called his first name. Think about it.
Onto, Biden. People rarely if ever call him his first name. Sometimes Joe Biden, but rarely if ever Joe. In 2020, Biden had a bus tour, where his slogan was "JOE, No Malarkey". But still he is rarely called Joe. Why?
Yet Harris is more likely than not to be called Kamala than Harris. Why? You dismissed it easily. You didn't explain the apparent contradiction in the treatments of all 3.

And FYI, that flow you talk about is sexism and when we go with it unawares it becomes an implied bias.

What I'm saying is, me calling people by their first name, surname or full name has nothing to do with sexism, but rather what they're often called by. I do this to both male and females. I've called men and women by their first names, surnames and both, depending on the circumstance or what they are often called by. If it's sexism, I would only be acting in such manner only towards females, but I do it to both male and females. And this applies to a lot of people.

Are there people that might do it because of sexism? Yes... or I might also say, maybe. But that doesn't apply to everyone, certainly not me.

Not everything is rooted in sexism. Not everything is about race and gender. That's just it.


#Xavier

Xavier5:

And talking about Trump, show me where I said I would vote for Trump?

I've always made it known, that far as Kamala and Trump are on the presidential ticket, I wash my hands off the election. So please, stop saying things that were never said. You are just fond of saying imaginary BS in other to suit your narrative. If that makes you feel good, then good.

And another person confirms what most people on this thread have said

Xavier5:


What I'm saying is, me calling people by their first name, surname or full name has nothing to do with sexism, but rather what they're often called by. I do this to both male and females. I've called men and women by their first names, surnames and both, depending on the circumstance or what they are often called by. If it's sexism, I would only be acting in such manner only towards females, but I do it to both male and females. And this applies to a lot of people.

Are there people that might do it because of sexism? Yes... or I might also say, maybe. But that doesn't apply to everyone, certainly not me.

Not everything is rooted in sexism. Not everything is about race and gender. That's just it.


#Xavier

That is how victimhood works, everything is about bias to them

Bernie Sanders is called Bernie, Nancy Pelosi is called Pelosi. Both are politicians in the same country. Beto ORourke is called Beto, Elise Stefanik is called Stefanik in the same country

raumdeuter:


Trump got the conservative majority in the Supreme Court, got tax cuts which Republicans always wanted


Does Cheney get any of these under Harris

After years of this black man suffering under the "scratch my back" african rule, the only thing he knows is Appeasement politics.

That's why maga cultists just can't see beyond the rapist trump when it comes to preserving democracy. It's always about appeasement to them.

If Liz is making over $400k per annum, she'll pay a higher tax under President Harris. Why must she be appeased in order to stand for and do the right thing.

Xavier5:


@bolded, define liberalism, and explain how Xavier doesn't fit into it?

@colored, show me where I supported that statement by Trump? If you've been observant, and not try to say BS simply because it suits your narrative, you would have seen multiple times where I criticized and ridiculed Trump for making that statement.

Bro you can scream all you want about me not being liberal. That's your damn business. But the truth remains, your view of me is irrelevant and useless.

Every socio-political view I hold is rooted in a liberal value, and when I express those views, I make sure I reveal the liberal values they are based on. That's it.

So if my view, or whom I choose to support, triggers you, that's your issue to deal with. But the fact remains, screaming Xavier is not a liberal won't stop Xavier from being a proud liberal.

As for Vivek, I support him because he's smart, patriotic and passionate. Same way I support folks like Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosy, Tim Walz etc. Reasoning and open mindedness, which are liberal values, demands I do such while also prompting me not to agree with all their views and policies. Supporting someone doesn't mean you have to agree with him or her on every thing.

So, as I said, if it makes you feel good to believe whatever you wish to believe of me, then be my guest. But, I will always say it, as a person, I live my life base on liberal values of truth, reasoning, progressiveness, open mindedness, liberty, human rights and value, equality, democracy etc. If that's not one being a liberal, then good for you.

When you started these "branding", it was funny, but now it's just so ridiculous and annoying. But to settle this unnecessary argument, just respond to the first question I asked, what's liberalism, and how does Xavier not fit into that?



And talking about Trump, show me where I said I would vote for Trump?

I've always made it known, that far as Kamala and Trump are on the presidential ticket, I wash my hands off the election. So please, stop saying things that were never said. You are just fond of saying imaginary BS in other to suit your narrative. If that makes you feel good, then good.



#Xavier

I'm not trying to insult you. You're sound like a smart person.
My beef is with saying you're a liberal.

So, example, this quote. This is what liberals believe.

So, as I said, if it makes you feel good to believe whatever you wish to believe of me, then be my guest. But, I will always say it, as a person, I[b] live my life base on liberal values of truth, reasoning, progressiveness, open mindedness, liberty, human rights and value, equality, democracy etc. If that's not one being a liberal, then good for you[/b].

But if you do believe it, how can you vote for someone who doesn't? The goal of liberalism is to further those believes. By voting for people opposed to those ideas, how do you further say something like equality?
If you aren't trying to further equality do you really believe in it? Do you think Vivek or Desantis believes similar?
And if you do really believe those things, how can your resonate with people like Desantis and Vivek who preach hate, non inclusion, non equality, etc. etc. You get?
It's one thing to say you are liberal, but liberalism is in your actions and deeds. Desantis literally believes in book bannings. Is that liberal? And so by voting for him, you would be forwarding a policy of book bannings. Is that liberal?

You never said you would vote for Trump. But Desantis was trying to out Trump Trump's policies to win the Republican nomination. Unless you couldn't vote for Trump because of his behavior, Desantis had the same or even more conservative policies.

raumdeuter:


What character exactly when we know no politician is a choir boy except those who lie about who they are

Oh I see why you are Captain Intellectual Dishonesty. See how this maga cultist is trying to gaslight us into binding the crime of the rapist felon trump with everyone politician.

These two are cooling off in jail now.

When basilico loco was watching them, he felt they had the key to unlock all the voter fraud he'd been hearing on end from his alt right echo chamber.

I hope he's learned his lesson.

raumdeuter:

That is how victimhood works, everything is about bias to them

Bernie Sanders is called Bernie, Nancy Pelosi is called Pelosi. Both are politicians in the same country. Beto ORourke is called Beto, Elise Stefanik is called Stefanik in the same country

Nobody calls Michael Jackson Jackson or Michael, they call him Michael Jackson.

Xavier5:


What I'm saying is, me calling people by their first name, surname or full name has nothing to do with sexism, but rather what they're often called by. I do this to both male and females. I've called men and women by their first names, surnames and both, depending on the circumstance or what they are often called by. If it's sexism, I would only be acting in such manner only towards females, but I do it to both male and females. And this applies to a lot of people.

Are there people that might do it because of sexism? Yes... or I might also say, maybe. But that doesn't apply to everyone, certainly not me.

Not everything is rooted in sexism. Not everything is about race and gender. That's just it.
#Xavier

They've done studies on this name thing. In one study called "How gender determines the way we speak about professionals" they did a blind sub study where they found people(men and women) were 4x more likely to call woman by their first names. Google and read that study (The sub study is Study 4) and tell me how you fault with the study. And if you can't find fault with it, then tell me why you are arguing that it isn't a thing?

Again, you probably call woman by their first names which they are generally called, because what they are generally called is rooted in sexism and a power imbalance. You may not be sexist, but wouldn't you be unconsciously perpetuated that? And that is what an implicit bias is. Again, you didn't answer why Biden and Trump are called by their last name(Biden even when he went on a Bus tour with his firs name) and Harris isn't.

Not everything is about race and gender, but lots of things are. Not everyone has to be sexist or racist for it do exist and do real damage.

IjeBos:


I'm not trying to insult you. You're sound like a smart person.
My beef is with saying you're a liberal.

So, example, this quote. This is what liberals believe.


But if you do believe it, how can you vote for someone who doesn't? The goal of liberalism is to further those believes. By voting for people opposed to those ideas, how do you further say something like equality?
If you aren't trying to further equality do you really believe in it? Do you think Vivek or Desantis believes similar?
And if you do really believe those things, how can your resonate with people like Desantis and Vivek who preach hate, non inclusion, non equality, etc. etc. You get?
It's one thing to say you are liberal, but liberalism is in your actions and deeds. Desantis literally believes in book bannings. Is that liberal? And so by voting for him, you would be forwarding a policy of book bannings. Is that liberal?

You never said you would vote for Trump. But Desantis was trying to out Trump Trump's policies to win the Republican nomination. Unless you couldn't vote for Trump because of his behavior, Desantis had the same or even more conservative policies.

Go outside, touch a grass.