QuinQ:


Didn't USA have a VERY BLOODY war because a section of the country no wan do again?

Did they fight because of tribal differences or religion like India and Nigeria?

Datguy5:


Actually, this is very wrong and can be prove wrong by a simple google search, maybe it is your ancestors that were savages, not mine

Ok

Show me the hospitals, the paved roads and the city centers, the rail way, your ancestors built

The skyscrapers, the cars, the ships, your ancestors built before colonization

Chonchin:
Reparation for what exactly? Slavery was already an established institution being run by Muslim Arabs before Europeans ever stepped in Africa.

Is Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries going to pay reparation for enslaving Africans longer than Europeans ever did ? I don’t think so. Britain owes non of you reparations

There was slave market before the arabs and European came.

They just capitalize on it and expanded it

motymop:


Ok

Show me the hospitals, the paved roads and the city centers, the rail way, your ancestors built

The skyscrapers, the cars, the ships, your ancestors built before colonization

how? most of those things weren't invented during the times of my ancestors

but here

" Fred Pearce wrote in New Scientist:

They extend for some 16,000 km in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They cover 2,510 sq. miles (6,500 square kilometres) and were all dug by the Edo people. In all, they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet."

"The Impluvium was used in Benin architecture to store rainwater. Among the residences of the nobility, a compluvium channeled the rainwater into the impluvium in order to permit light and air through the walls since windows were absent among these structures. The stored rainwater in the impluvium was discharged out of the house through a drainage system beneath the floor.[59] Archaeological works from the mid 20th century has revealed the existence of edge-laid potsherd pavements in Benin city, dated around or prior to the 14th century.[60] The Walls of Benin are a series of earthworks made up of banks and ditches, called Iya in the Edo language in the area around present-day Benin City, the capital of present-day Edo, Nigeria. They consist of 15 kilometres (9.3 miles) of city iya and an estimated 16,000 kilometres (9,900 miles) in the rural area around Benin.[61] Some estimates suggest that the walls of Benin may have been constructed between the thirteenth and mid-fifteenth century CE[62] and others suggest that the walls of Benin (in the Esan region) may have been constructed during the first millennium AD"

Metrofox:


Did they fight because of tribal differences or religion like India and Nigeria?

They civil war was about slavery.

The south wanted slavery, the north wanted to abolish it

The clash in ideas led to the civil war

motymop:


I no wise and I mumu.

If not because of the British, no be hut and farming you suppose dey do.

Highest na to tie leather for your waist dey waka go your neighbor hut go gist.

And what is wrong with farming and living in a hut?

Na your type dey do money ritual.

motymop:


Ok

Show me the hospitals, the paved roads and the city centers, the rail way, your ancestors built

The skyscrapers, the cars, the ships, your ancestors built before colonization

Without skyscrapers we aren't human?

Datguy5:


how? most of those things weren't invented during the times of my ancestors

but here

" Fred Pearce wrote in New Scientist:

They extend for some 16,000 km in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They cover 2,510 sq. miles (6,500 square kilometres) and were all dug by the Edo people. In all, they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet."

"The Impluvium was used in Benin architecture to store rainwater. Among the residences of the nobility, a compluvium channeled the rainwater into the impluvium in order to permit light and air through the walls since windows were absent among these structures. The stored rainwater in the impluvium was discharged out of the house through a drainage system beneath the floor.[59] Archaeological works from the mid 20th century has revealed the existence of edge-laid potsherd pavements in Benin city, dated around or prior to the 14th century.[60] The Walls of Benin are a series of earthworks made up of banks and ditches, called Iya in the Edo language in the area around present-day Benin City, the capital of present-day Edo, Nigeria. They consist of 15 kilometres (9.3 miles) of city iya and an estimated 16,000 kilometres (9,900 miles) in the rural area around Benin.[61] Some estimates suggest that the walls of Benin may have been constructed between the thirteenth and mid-fifteenth century CE[62] and others suggest that the walls of Benin (in the Esan region) may have been constructed during the first millennium AD"

All these na grammar

Show me picture. Show me picture

Atleast in 1890, there was pictures of skyscrapers in New York

How was benin in 1890

Was there a sky scrappers?

Was there hospitals?

Was there a school?

Was there modern housing?

Was there drainage systems and tap water facilities?

Was there electricity?


Benin in 1890 was filled with huts

motymop:


We are not mentally defeat

I can show you videos and pictures

There are historical facts.

If no because they came, Lagos and many part of Nigeria as we call it now, will still be a jungle

This would have been your house

What's wrong with the house?

SmartPolician:

The British didn't stop country that cannot work together from separation. Greedy Nigerian leaders who benefit from this dysfunctional country are those threatening to deal with separatists. That's not the fault of the British

It is th fault of British for forcefully joining what they knew would never work so they can control us faraway in Britain using divine and conquer

Hope you know Nigeria as a whole was just a company/product of the UK and was sold to Unilever before independence

motymop:


All these na grammar

Show me picture. Show me picture

Atleast in 1890, there was pictures of skyscrapers in New York

How was benin in 1890

Was there a sky scrappers?

Was there hospitals?

Was there a school?

Was there modern housing?

Was there drainage systems and tap water facilities?

Was there electricity?


Benin in 1890 was filled with huts

And so what?

Golan007:


Without skyscrapers we aren't human?

We had huts, they had skyscrapers, that is the point

Now that there are houses

Can you live in a hut after living in an apartment building or a house concept brought by colonization.

Golan007:


And so what?

You obviously have no argument.

Golan007:


What's wrong with the house?

Can you live in a hut

You all claim you are free from colonization but you run there and want to live there.

Your country Nigeria is a member of the common wealth controlled by the king

motymop:


All these na grammar

Show me picture. Show me picture

Atleast in 1890, there was pictures of skyscrapers in New York

How was benin in 1890

Was there a sky scrappers?

Was there hospitals?

Was there a school?

Was there modern housing?

Was there drainage systems and tap water facilities?

Was there electricity?


Benin in 1890 was filled with huts

yeah after the British destroyed it

A British delegation departed from the Oil Rivers Protectorate in 1897 with the stated aim of negotiating with the Oba of Benin regarding the trade agreement, which they felt he was not keeping. The leader of the delegation, James Robert Phillips, had asked his superiors in the British Foreign Office for permission to lead an armed British expedition to depose the Oba of Benin not long before the expedition,[34] but left for Benin City with a diplomatic delegation (or a reconnaissance mission disguised as a peaceful diplomatic delegation)[35] before receiving a reply to his request. Perceiving this to be an attempt to depose the Oba, the Oba's generals unilaterally ordered an attack on the delegation as it was approaching Benin City (which included eight unknowing British representatives and hundreds of African porters and labourers) all but two of whom were killed. A punitive expedition was launched in response, and a 1,200-men strong force, under the command of Sir Harry Rawson, captured Benin City. They deliberately sought out and destroyed certain areas of the city, including those thought to belong to the chiefs responsible for the ambush of the British delegation, and in the process a fire burnt the palace and surrounding quarters, which the British claimed was accidental

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Expedition_of_1897

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motymop:


We had huts, they had skyscrapers, that is the point

Now that there are houses

Can you live in a hut after living in an apartment building or a house concept brought by colonization.

my guy, we could have had it without colonization through something called "trade"

motymop:


We are not mentally defeat

I can show you videos and pictures

There are historical facts.

If no because they came, Lagos and many part of Nigeria as we call it now, will still be a jungle

This would have been your house

still being mentally defeated
Mud houses and huts were suited for the environment and our own way of life which worked for us at the time

Well built mud houses were the ultimate insulators, keeping the heat out, while keeping inside cool
That was exactly what we needed at the time and it worked for us

Our farming was labour intensive because that's what was suited for us (we had large families)

Our ways of life was in tandem with the environment (we were eco friendly)

We had our own legal system in place (fear of African Gods were the beginning of wisdom and kept everyone in check)

We had our own forms of quarantine (dubbed as "evil forests" were undesirables were banished to, so they don't infect the general population with diseases or whatever )


We don't need sky scrapers because we have the land and the space
Thinking sky scraper is a sign of development is peak delusion because rill today, many countries in central and Eastern Europe don't have sky scrapers (very minimal if at all) because unlike dumb Africans, they stuck to their historical style of building and people are appreciating it
The list goes on and on

the white man came and convinced you that your ways were inferior to his and YOUR DUMB ASS BELIEVED HIM.

And you say you are not mentally defeated
Okay, you have adapted his way of life, governance and all that
How well have you fared since then ?

Think for goodness sakes !

You have been programmed to think less of yourself and you are buying into the crap...
Your ancestors will be ashamed of you to see their descendant cooning.

White man tell u say you be descendant of Ham (a nigga you have never heard of before ) and because he was cursed by Noah (yet another nigga you never heard of before) ; and by virtue of that, you are designated inferior, and you believe him

RodgersAkpafu:


still being mentally defeated
Mud houses and huts were suited for the environment and our own way of life which worked for us at the time

Well built mud houses were the ultimate insulators, keeping the heat out, while keeping inside cool
That was exactly what we needed at the time and it worked for us

Our farming was labour intensive because that's what was suited for us (we had large families)

Our ways of life was in tandem with the environment (we were eco friendly)

We had our own legal system in place (fear of African Gods were the beginning of wisdom and kept everyone in check)

We had our own forms of quarantine (dubbed as "evil forests" were undesirables were banished to, so they don't infect the general population with diseases or whatever )


We don't need sky scrapers because we have the land and the space
Thinking sky scraper is a sign of development is peak delusion because rill today, many countries in central and Eastern Europe don't have sky scrapers (very minimal if at all) because unlike dumb Africans, they stuck to their historical style of building and people are appreciating it
The list goes on and on

the white man came and convinced you that your ways were inferior to his and YOUR DUMB ASS BELIEVED HIM.

And you say you are not mentally defeated
Okay, you have adapted his way of life, governance and all that
How well have you fared since then ?

Think for goodness sakes !

You have been programmed to think less of yourself and you are buying into the crap...
Your ancestors will be ashamed of you to see their descendant cooning.

White man tell u say you be descendant of Ham (a nigga you have never heard of before ) and because he was cursed by Noah (yet another nigga you never heard of before) ; and by virtue of that, you are designated inferior, and you believe him

Go and read the old manuscripts of explorers when they stepped in Africa for the first time

they were intrigued
When they landed in Benin (the Portuguese)

They were amazed to see their streets lit, while Europe was still in darkness
This was almost 500 years ago
And you are here talking rubbish about whites being responsible for "opening our eyes"

You've got proof or you're just talking out of emotions towards your slave masters ?

motymop:


Benin in 1890 was filled with huts

gistray:
They owe every country the colonized an apology.

They destroyed Nigeria and gave us a ticking time bomb

Look at those Northerners and look at the south and tell me how we are identical or will ever be the same

North and south way of life totally different and doesn't align


Imagine a United south without the Backwards North

We'd be at worst like South Africa 🇿🇦 Or Ukraine

Just shut the fvck up. In what way is the South 'forward' by international standards? With the way you guys look down on the north daily online, I was expecting to see a place that at least looked 50% like a modern city but I saw no difference between the South and the North after visiting up to 6 Southern States. Southern Nigeria, like other countries below the Sahara, is full of nothing but horrible cities, illiterate and semi-educated agberos, pollution, crime infestation, backward cultural practices, poverty, and extreme corruption just as the case is in the north.

With or without Northern Nigeria, with or without Southern unity, you'd just be another failed Subsaharan African country with so much debt, so much hunger, and so many incompetent fools governing you. It's time to take responsibility for your woes.

I can't talk for all precolonial African countries, but mine was not failed nor in dept not incompétent. Our only mistake was loding a war to the British.

I agree with you that some people in the south are just incredibly stupid when they keep assuming they are inherently smarter than northerners or that northerners are more backward than southerners.

The north wasn't backward in precolonial days. 3 kingdoms stand out in Nigeria:

1. Benin
2. Sokoto/Kano
3. Bornu

All other kingdoms were either inconsequential or dependencies of the 3 kingdoms above.

I would like yorubas to stop their cultural appropriation of Benin culture. They claimed the title of Benin emperor, they claimed Benin emperor himself, they've claimed Benin's name, they've claimed Benin artefacts, they even claimed Benin people ....
Now they are claiming Benin swords "Ada and Eben", the Oni of ife is copying the crown of the Oba of Benin ....
Can the yoruba stop stealing my people's cultural heritage ?
I have nothing against copiers when they acknowledge the original, but yoruba Always pretend they are the original and that they passed the tradition over to Benin ...

FoolishBoy419:


Just shut the fvck up. In what way is the South 'forward' by international standards? With the way you guys look down on the north daily online, I was expecting to see a place that at least looked 50% like a modern city but I saw no difference between the South and the North. Southern Nigeria, like other negro countries below the Sahara, is full of nothing but horrible cities, illiterate and semi-educated lunatics, pollution, crime infestation, backward cultural practices, poverty, and extreme corruption just as the case is in the north.

With or without Northern Nigeria, with or without Southern unity, you'd just be another failed Subsaharan African country with so much debt, so much hunger, and so much incompetent fools governing you.

Golan007:


Most of you suffer from inferiority complex.

So what, if were naked (which we were not,).

Are you daft?

Who said anything about unclothedness? Are you drunk? That is what so many of you are good at: throwing insults instead of fixing the country and inventing things. Always angry. Animanu.

QuinQ:
His statement is somewhat true



They never forced Nigeria to stay together. Infact they were plotting that North not join independence. Nigerians didn't even include a secession clause in the constitution we drafted - infact Zik was ready to die that it NOT be included. How is that their fault? They gave us a giant that could have been great.
That we totally messed it up is NOT their fault.

Dude try and stop lying here. In Lancaster 1956 following the talks for independence the British gave as a precondition for Nigeria's independence that all the boundaries of colonial Nigeria must not be redrawn in any form. All those present in the talks including Awolowo all signed. The British never wanted the north to be removed from Nigeria. Zik never forced anyone to remove secession clause. I have always asked people who peddle this lie that how can one man over rule everyone one else who had supported the secession clause in that meeting? No one has ever been able to provide me an answer

Datguy5:


Actually, this is very wrong and can be prove wrong by a simple google search, maybe it is your ancestors that were savages, not mine

A simple Google search? Lol. Another white man invention. We are here arguing amongst ourselves in a foreign language, while using devices created by foreigners. Lol

motymop:


We are not mentally defeat

I can show you videos and pictures

There are historical facts.

If no because they came, Lagos and many part of Nigeria as we call it now, will still be a jungle

This would have been your house

In this 21st century speak for your family house

member13:

A simple Google search? Lol. Another white man invention. We are here arguing amongst ourselves in a foreign language, while using devices created by foreigners. Lol

so? that does not negate the achievements of black people nor make us subhuman

Ghostagain:
I can't talk for all precolonial African countries, but mine was not failed nor in dept not incompétent. Our only mistake was loding a war to the British.

I agree with you that some people in the south are just incredibly stupid when they keep assuming they are inherently smarter than northerners or that northerners are more backward than southerners.

The north wasn't backward in precolonial days. 3 kingdoms stand out in Nigeria:

1. Benin
2. Sokoto/Kano
3. Bornu

All other kingdoms were either inconsequential or dependencies of the 3 kingdoms above.

I would like yorubas to stop their cultural appropriation of Benin culture. They claimed the title of Benin emperor, they claimed Benin emperor himself, they've claimed Benin's name, they've claimed Benin artefacts, they even claimed Benin people ....
Now they are claiming Benin swords "Ada and Eben", the Oni of ife is copying the crown of the Oba of Benin ....
Can the yoruba stop stealing my people's cultural heritage ?
I have nothing against copiers when they acknowledge the original, but yoruba Always pretend they are the original and that they passed the tradition over to Benin ...

It's frustrating to come online and see people blaming us for all of their woes when they're actually doing only slightly better 😂

Benin was the most advanced society in Nigeria before Britain arrived in my opinion, considering that everything they had was indigenous unlike the North that benefitted from Arab influence.

I'm still trying to find time to understand the relationship between the Benis and Yorubas. I knew from my secondary school days that they were distinct cultures. Is there any factor that is making Yorubas to claim Benin empire? What was the relationship between the two in the past?

Ghostagain:
You've got proof or you're just talking out of emotions towards your slave masters ?

You talking about walls, I am talking about infrastructures like paved roads, hospitals, schools, universities, irrigation systems, tap water, drainage systems, electricity, horse or cart as a means of transportation

The only stuff you brag about is a wall which the British destroyed with 14 soldiers from the north.

You posted a drawing of benin drew by your colonial masters. It is obvious you don't have written history

Did you see men without clothes and women naked in that picture?

Isn't that the benin king selling his people into slavery

What are you defending?

You have no argument if you are showing me mud walls and mud huts

In short, there is no relations between Benin and yoruba, but the yorubas are desperate to claim Benin in any way or form. Yoruba is not a real ethnicity, rather it is a blender of ethnicities which claims to be one tribe and they desperately want to add Benin to it.

To the best of my knowledge, yoruba are a mixture of slave returnee and local indigenous peoples. Among the local indigenous people whom are now part of the yorubas, many used to be Benin citizens.

The expression yoruba first appeared around 1808 and it was meant as a synonym to oyo kingdom. Then later on, the expression was used to refer to a larger group of people, that group just kept getting bigger over the time. The peoples whom are identified as yoruba today descend from ancestors who identified as something else.

What we know as yoruba today was the brainchild of politicians including awolowo, they tried to unite all the western region in the colonial era into one tribe with fairytales about ife. Most people of the western region accepted the political agenda, but people of the Midwest didn't especially since we were to be the most marginalised by these rewritings of history.

So for some reasons, the yoruba have been obsessed with claiming anything about Benin since that era. They have basically claimed any trace of Benin culture as being given to Benin by ife. Of course these are claims without proof. Ife itself was a small village until 1912 when it was the British who started to urbanise it. Whereas Benin was witnessed as an empire on eyewitness written documents as far back as the 1400's

FoolishBoy419:



It's frustrating to come online and see people blaming us for all of their woes when they're actually doing only slightly better 😂

Benin was the most advanced society in Nigeria before Britain arrived in my opinion, considering that everything they had was indigenous unlike the North that benefitted from Arab influence.

I'm still trying to find time to understand the relationship between the Benis and Yorubas. I knew from my secondary school days that they were distinct cultures. Is there any factor that is making Yorubas to claim Benin empire? What was the relationship between the two in the past?

RodgersAkpafu:


still being mentally defeated
Mud houses and huts were suited for the environment and our own way of life which worked for us at the time

Well built mud houses were the ultimate insulators, keeping the heat out, while keeping inside cool
That was exactly what we needed at the time and it worked for us

Our farming was labour intensive because that's what was suited for us (we had large families)

Our ways of life was in tandem with the environment (we were eco friendly)

We had our own legal system in place (fear of African Gods were the beginning of wisdom and kept everyone in check)

We had our own forms of quarantine (dubbed as "evil forests" were undesirables were banished to, so they don't infect the general population with diseases or whatever )


We don't need sky scrapers because we have the land and the space
Thinking sky scraper is a sign of development is peak delusion because rill today, many countries in central and Eastern Europe don't have sky scrapers (very minimal if at all) because unlike dumb Africans, they stuck to their historical style of building and people are appreciating it
The list goes on and on

the white man came and convinced you that your ways were inferior to his and YOUR DUMB ASS BELIEVED HIM.

And you say you are not mentally defeated
Okay, you have adapted his way of life, governance and all that
How well have you fared since then ?

Think for goodness sakes !

You have been programmed to think less of yourself and you are buying into the crap...
Your ancestors will be ashamed of you to see their descendant cooning.

White man tell u say you be descendant of Ham (a nigga you have never heard of before ) and because he was cursed by Noah (yet another nigga you never heard of before) ; and by virtue of that, you are designated inferior, and you believe him

You claim mud houses were suitable for the environment but here you are writing from the comfort of a House.

Why are you not staying in a mud house or hut

Your guys aren't always tune with reality.

Basically all the stuff you are enjoying are as a result of colonization.

The suit you wear and your mannerisms, even the churches you attend are as a result of colonization.

If they tell you to go do Traditional religion, you will be here shouting in the name of Jesus your colonial masters brought to you.

The only reason you typed all these is because you want to argue

But deep down in your heart, you know that without your colonial masters, you won't be able to write in English.

Can you even write in your local language or even preach fluently in your local language?

Do you worship, the benin Gods or the white man God?

Do you attend traditional God's festival or you do the Christian festival?

I am sure you do none of your local traditions but respect the Christian traditions and here you are trying to say i am a dumb African

Call me dumb because that I can see the reality and not argue blindly like the way you are doing.

Call me dumb for accepting the reality, that we were colonized, defeated and a foreign God and way of life was imposed on us. I accept the badge of dumbness gladly

It's hard to reply you because you don't focus on anything, nor do you actually have any arguments, you seem to be more interested in vexation then in actually seriously discussing the topic.

1. We didn't need paved roads.
2. We didn't have a written form of language, we had our own indigenous systems, not European schools.
3. There is clearly a horse in the painting of Oba of Benin.
4. You are basically saying that we were not Europe. Yes we were not, we were Africans and we had our own way of life, our own culture, our own needs and our own centres of interest which are not the same as those of Europeans.
5. Benin had its own architecture which was not limited to walls

motymop:


You talking about walls, I am talking about infrastructures like paved roads, hospitals, schools, universities, irrigation systems, tap water, drainage systems, electricity, horse or cart as a means of transportation