IjeBos:


Take a sec and figure out what you are arguing.
I'm not sure you can even articulate it.
You seem to repeat the variation of the same thing that we should pay attention to feelings not the economic data.

Feelings are not facts. Feelings can be largely shaped by what people hear, hence why advertisements work.
The fact is the all the economic data says people have the same purchasing power as they did before the pandemic... meaning people's salaries have went up enough to pay the increase in prices.

It's quite interesting that on one hand people like you will say Harris won't be a good President because she'll rely on her feelings, but your whole economic argument relies on feelings.
And you are calling other people uneducated?

There has been a lot of article on this. And some link it to a broader trend of people valuing vibes over facts. Something consistently done with the undereducated Trump base.

One:

We all here know you are dumb. That is a fact.

The point here is that you don't get to tell people who live in the country that their lives are better when they say its not. You are not living their realities, 2 in 3 Americans say they are worse economically in the last 4yrs and were better in the Trump years. Obama admitted the economy was better in Trump years though he claimed credit for it, Clinton admitted the economy was better, 2 in 3 Americans say the economy was better under Trump. Kamala even avoid talking about the economy cos its her weakest point rather focuses on abortion. You think all these people don't see or know the data?

So 2 in 3 Americans depend on what they hear to know they are faring worse economically in their households? You need to take your medications seriously

Inflation rates have been a major point of discussion, particularly peaking at around 9.1% in June 2022—the highest in four decades. Although wage growth has occurred, inflation outpaced wage increases for much of 2021 and 2022, reducing real income. By some metrics, this erosion in purchasing power has been significant for middle-class and lower-income Americans​

Key essentials like groceries, gas, and housing have seen substantial price increases, For example, gasoline prices surged significantly, contributing to consumer concerns about affordability. In 2022, GDP contracted in two consecutive quarters, sparking concerns of a potential recession.

IjeBos:


Take a sec and figure out what you are arguing.
I'm not sure you can even articulate it.
You seem to repeat the variation of the same thing that we should pay attention to feelings not the economic data.

Feelings are not facts. Feelings can be largely shaped by what people hear, hence why advertisements work.
The fact is the all the economic data says people have the same purchasing power as they did before the pandemic... meaning people's salaries have went up enough to pay the increase in prices.

It's quite interesting that on one hand people like you will say Harris won't be a good President because she'll rely on her feelings, but your whole economic argument relies on feelings.
And you are calling other people uneducated?

There has been a lot of article on this. And some link it to a broader trend of people valuing vibes over facts. Something consistently done with the undereducated Trump base.

One:

Feelings are facts. their feelings are shaped by what they can afford. 90% of the media gaslight them with how good the economy is but where they cannot gaslight them is when they go to the pump or when they buy milk.
for some reason, you think about what the people can afford, how much they can save, their buying power, etc. does not matter because data is on paper. the reality is the gasoline price, eggs, milk, housing, etc.

These so-called articles do not put food on people's tables.
2 out of 3 people say they are not going in the right direction so there is some disconnect between people in the real world and the data you are presenting.

bemeruca:


Feelings are facts. their feelings are shaped by what they can afford. 90% of the media gaslight them with how good the economy is but where they cannot gaslight them is when they go to the pump or when they buy milk.
for some reason, you think about what the people can afford, how much they can save, their buying power, etc. does not matter because data is on paper. the reality is the gasoline price, eggs, milk, housing, etc.

These so-called articles do not put food on people's tables.
2 out of 3 people say they are not going in the right direction so there is some disconnect between people in the real world and the data you are presenting.

If those people did their budgets I'm sure they'd have the same percentage of money left over that they did before 2019.

As most people get older they learn to reconcile their feelings with facts.
They understand that some of the things they fear may not align with facts and try to move their feelings toward those facts.

It seems a lot of Trump supporters like you live in a world where feelings are facts.
Because you think it, it makes it so.
That isn't real life. It's called delusion and the inability to escape your fears.

bemeruca:


Feelings are facts. their feelings are shaped by what they can afford. 90% of the media gaslight them with how good the economy is but where they cannot gaslight them is when they go to the pump or when they buy milk.
for some reason, you think about what the people can afford, how much they can save, their buying power, etc. does not matter because data is on paper. the reality is the gasoline price, eggs, milk, housing, etc.

These so-called articles do not put food on people's tables.
2 out of 3 people say they are not going in the right direction so there is some disconnect between people in the real world and the data you are presenting.

Imagine the level of foolishness. Almost 70% of people living in the country, paying bills, buying groceries, paying rents say things are harder than they were under Trump, and his response is to tell them to check the data and chart

Its like a sick person in pain or a mother in labor complaining about the intensity of her pain and your response is to tell her that the chart shows she is actually in comfort and not in pain

He who wears the shoe knows where it pinches. But since Ijebos still lives with his parents and he doesnt pay any bill, they feed and clothe him so he is allowed to say the most insane things

when Obaigwe1 complains about Tinubu economy, show him the data in this report that says its better, Maybe he is just not educated enough to draw his own budget and realize that things are better now like the report below shows

https://businessday.ng/news/article/tinubus-1st-year-scorecard-better-than-buharis-report/

IjeBos:


If those people did their budgets I'm sure they'd have the same percentage of money left over that they did before 2019.

As most people get older they learn to reconcile their feelings with facts.
They understand that some of the things they fear may not align with facts and try to move their feelings toward those facts.

It seems a lot of Trump supporters like you live in a world where feelings are facts.
Because you think it, it makes it so.
That isn't real life. It's called delusion and the inability to escape your fears.

Sure, 2/3 of Americans don't know how to do their budget, maybe you can help them with their personal budget.

These people don't realize the fact that their lives have been getting better but they are not as educated as you to know that their economic lives is better

Reetardd

More on the economy

Todays report shows JUST 12,000 jobs were added in October 2024

See the chart to know how miserable that is.

raumdeuter:


Sure, 2/3 of Americans don't know how to do their budget, maybe you can help them with their personal budget.

These people don't realize the fact that their lives have been getting better but they are not as educated as you to know that their economic lives is better

Reetardd

I'm glad you were honest about how you go through life.
But, let me give you some free life advice.
Feelings are not Facts!

I understand why you are a Trump supporter now, you've made it pretty clear.
You believe people don't need to learn things, they can understand things through some form of just being.
And you Believe what people Feel are indeed Facts.
You seem to go through life based on these principles, solely on your feelings.
It's anti-intellectual and honestly as I keep saying you don't behave like a Naija dude.

Feelings Aren’t Facts
Sometimes our emotions are difficult to understand and trust.

Emotions are at the core of our motivation: they are our muses and they are why we continue on with life even in the face of disappointment or disaster. You may know many emotional people, and you may be one yourself. Being emotional is not a bad thing. As a psychotherapist (and a human being), I believe that emotions are a good thing.

Over the years, many of us learn to accept, enjoy, understand, and trust our feelings. After all, it worked for Luke Skywalker. And who would want to give up all those warm fuzzies? The problem is that sometimes we only feel the cold prickly emotions, those that are scary or painful. It helps to understand that sometimes our emotions may not be telling us the truth.

Upon occasion, every now and then, some people get a feeling that isn’t real. They may think that it’s real, it may feel very real, and they may truly believe it’s real, but it’s just a feeling. It is wise to remember that, as important as emotions are, feelings aren’t facts.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/emotional-fitness/201310/feelings-aren-t-facts

DontBullshitMe:
Kamala has really built a coalition of strong and influential supporters. How does she do it? My guess is the fear and somewhat hate for a possible second term for Trump is really pushing support in Kamala's way.

It's the Trump candidacy perhaps.

Trump says he can tell if an immigrant is “good or bad” based on how they look.

IjeBos:
I'm glad you were honest about how you go through life.
But, let me give you some free life advice.
Feelings are not Facts!
I understand why you are a Trump supporter now, you've made it pretty clear.
You believe people don't need to learn things, they can understand things through some form of just being.
And you Believe what people Feel are indeed Facts.
You seem to go through life based on these principles, solely on your feelings.
It's anti-intellectual and honestly as I keep saying you don't behave like a Naija dude.

Every responsible adult pays bills and buy things, they don't depend on their parents like you. So if 2/3 of Americans say they are worse off, I believe them. They live this life and know what they are saying

Its because you don't have a job, no education, no family, you are still a dependent at your age which is why you don't know how real life works

Get out of your parents basement, go outside, touch grass. experience the real world, get a good education, get real friends, get a GF, start a family. then you will know life better

Trump campaign surrogate Rudy Giuliani says immigrants “shouldn't have been taken out of the jungle”

raumdeuter:


Every responsible adult pays bills and buy things, they don't depend on their parents like you. So if 2/3 of Americans say they are worse off, I believe them. They live this life and know what they are saying

Its because you don't have a job, no education, no family, you are still a dependent at your age which is why you don't know how real life works

Get out of your parents basement, go outside, touch grass. experience the real world, get a good education, get real friends, get a GF, start a family. then you will know life better

Life Lesson.
Feelings are not Facts!

Get out your emotions and grow up!

IjeBos:


If those people did their budgets I'm sure they'd have the same percentage of money left over that they did before 2019.

As most people get older they learn to reconcile their feelings with facts.
They understand that some of the things they fear may not align with facts and try to move their feelings toward those facts.

It seems a lot of Trump supporters like you live in a world where feelings are facts.
Because you think it, it makes it so.
That isn't real life. It's called delusion and the inability to escape your fears.

How are they able to do their budget during trump era and not Biden? You don't have to cope this far. Tim Walz says the economy is not good, many in kamala's town hall asked about their struggle and the economy.

When everything rises, rent, groceries, gasoline, even people will feel it because they regularly get to spend on those things and it adds up.

Feelings are facts. I don't see how it is not a fact in your world except you are lying to yourself. If you have ever apologized to someone, then you are accepting feelings are facts. If you have ever loved someone or lost someone then you would realize how feelings are fact.

Should we care about other people's feelings? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Just like people can fake data, people can fake feelings as well but you cannot tell me 70% of the people saying the country is going in the wrong direction is nonsense.

I don't think it, it is the people and I believe the 70% which is also statistics. Try and be consistent, the one who is not accepting fact here or reality is you.

happney65:
Trump campaign surrogate Rudy Giuliani says immigrants “shouldn't have been taken out of the jungle”

It's shocking.
has given license to people to say this type of thing.
Not sure how we close the door post election.

The clip is at the beginning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO1oRd45NA

IjeBos:


I'm glad you were honest about how you go through life.
But, let me give you some free life advice.
Feelings are not Facts!

I understand why you are a Trump supporter now, you've made it pretty clear.
You believe people don't need to learn things, they can understand things through some form of just being.
And you Believe what people Feel are indeed Facts.
You seem to go through life based on these principles, solely on your feelings.
It's anti-intellectual and honestly as I keep saying you don't behave like a Naija dude.

Dude their feelings are fact. the economy is hard on them and 70% of the people are feeling it. that is a fact.

IjeBos:

It's shocking.
has given license to people to say this type of thing.
Not sure how we close the door post election.

The clip is at the beginning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO1oRd45NA

Very very shocking. I hope more republicans come put and condemn him the way they have been doing

America,what happened to you?

raumdeuter:


Any govt is FOR THE PEOPLE. Its in the definition of Democracy. If the people dont see the impact of your policy and life is harder for them, then what is the use of your policies

Inflation is higher for them, companies are laying them off, cost of housing is higher, interest rate is higher. Biden and Kamala came in with the promise to make life better and today another WSJ report came out that over 60% of Americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction

You are still using perception / "feeling" numbers... how I wish you give me economic policies or economic numbers. I don't debate perception / feelings they are not facts because they are highly subjective.

Let me share a funny recent experience with my loving Grandma about "feelings". She was complaining of headache, and she felt the headache she had was too strong for any paracetamol to cure, so she demanded either she be taking urgently to see a doctor or my sister get her a stronger pain reliefer. The problem there was that she couldn't get any stronger pain reliefer over the counter without doctor's prescription. I made a call to them just when they were contemplating on taking her to see a doctor, and my sister told me about it, then I advised my sister to go and get same paracetamol, grind it into powder and put it in a clean container and tell Grandma it's a stronger different medicine. She did as advised and about 10mins later all headache gone and Grandma praised the same medicine she earlier condemned to high heavens, now, she will like to get more of the powerful medicine and bring for us in Nigeria. You see feelings and perception are not fact.

IjeBos:

It's shocking.
has given license to people to say this type of thing.
Not sure how we close the door post election.

The clip is at the beginning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO1oRd45NA

Get out the vote! The shithole murderous immigrants are coming for your jobs your wives your daughters.

Only donny two scoops the savior of white America and scourge of all non white immigrants can stop them!

Vote donny j for an immigrant in every cage, a leftist in every jail cell, and a regulator in every layoff!

This is painful. This should not be happening in 2024 America


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmSk3Y9G38

IjeBos:

It's shocking.
has given license to people to say this type of thing.
Not sure how we close the door post election.

The clip is at the beginning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO1oRd45NA

You see what many of these ignorant folks do not know is that if US carries out mass deportation of all undocumented migrants in US, the economy will immediately contrast. Where are the people to replace them at the factories they work, in many of the hospitality businesses and at the farms? In every community including American communities, there are always few bad eggs... what is needed is to identify these bad eggs and put them away.

I listened to John Legend who is from Ohio, on this Springfield Haitians Migrants. Under Trump, a number of the local factories closed down, and some of the youths moved to the cities leaving few elderly people and some lazy youths in that community. When Biden economy picked up, many of these small factories began to operate again, but there were only few lazy workers available... Until some Haitians who are ready to work moved there... Because of the high demand for workers, the few Haitians there invited more of their people to Springfield, that was what led to high influx of Haitians Migrants to Springfield. So they went their to work and rescue the community labor drought and not to practice voodoo, if you pull them out now, many of the small businesses there will fold.

ObaIgwe1:


You see what many of these ignorant folks do not know is that if US carries out mass deportation of all undocumented migrants in US, the economy will immediately contrast. Where are the people to replace them at the factories they work, in many of the hospitality businesses and at the farms? In every community including American communities, there are always few bad eggs... what is needed is to identify these bad eggs and put them away.

I listened to John Legend who is from Ohio, on this Springfield Haitians Migrants. Under Trump, a number of the local factories closed down, and some of the youths moved to the cities leaving few elderly people and some lazy youths in that community. When Biden economy picked up, many of these small factories began to operate again, but there were only few lazy workers available... Until some Haitians who are ready to work moved there... Because of the high demand for workers, the few Haitians there invited more of their people to Springfield, that was what led to high influx of Haitians Migrants to Springfield. So they went their to work and rescue the community labor drought and not to practice voodoo, if you pull them out now, many of the small businesses there will fold.

100% right. The Haitian immigrants actually saved Springfield. But the city leaders didn't plan enough for what happens when a city that was contracting starts expanding. Of course social services were taxed.
Same with the migrant workers on farms. Look at what happened to Florida's agricultural industry because of their new law.

The immigration system needs an overhaul esp when it comes to Asylum claims.
But we can't have a real national debate on it. Just catch phrases.

IjeBos:


Life Lesson.
Feelings are not Facts!

Get out your emotions and grow up!

Grow up out of your parents basement and pay bills like real people of your age

ObaIgwe1:


You are still using perception / "feeling" numbers... how I wish you give me economic policies or economic numbers. I don't debate perception / feelings they are not facts because they are highly subjective.

Let me share a funny recent experience with my loving Grandma about "feelings". She was complaining of headache, and she felt the headache she had was too strong for any paracetamol to cure, so she demanded either she be taking urgently to see a doctor or my sister get her a stronger pain reliefer. The problem there was that she couldn't get any stronger pain reliefer over the counter without doctor's prescription. I made a call to them just when they were contemplating on taking her to see a doctor, and my sister told me about it, then I advised my sister to go and get same paracetamol, grind it into powder and put it in a clean container and tell Grandma it's a stronger different medicine. She did as advised and about 10mins later all headache gone and Grandma praised the same medicine she earlier condemned to high heavens, now, she will like to get more of the powerful medicine and bring for us in Nigeria. You see feelings and perception are not fact.

So an illiterate man in Nigeria without these facts wont know that times are harder now compared to in previous years? And his money does not buy what he could buy in previous years?

raumdeuter:


Grow up out of your parents basement and pay bills like real people of your age

How successful can someone like you be in the US?
You don't believe in Education.
And you think feelings are facts.
You remind of these local Nigerians who land in the US and fail out because they are too proud to learn anything.

You are is the antithesis of everything success is.

Even Joe Walsh who is anti Trump is disgusted by the media lies on the Cheney issue

IjeBos:


How successful can someone like you be in the US?
You don't believe in Education.
And you think feelings are facts.
You remind of these local Nigerians who land in the US and fail out because they are too proud to learn anything.

You are is the antithesis of everything success is.

How successful can someone like you be in the US?
You don't believe in Education.
And you think feelings are facts.
You remind of these local Nigerians who land in the US and fail out because they are too proud to learn anything.

You are the antithesis of everything success is.

IjeBos:


How successful can someone like you be in the US?
You don't believe in Education.
And you think feelings are facts.
You remind of these local Nigerians who land in the US and fail out because they are too proud to learn anything.

You are the antithesis of everything success is.

Now quoting yourself? And you don't think its time to take your med? Adderall, Ritalin something. Just take a sleepng medication

raumdeuter:


So an illiterate man in Nigeria without these facts wont know that times are harder now compared to in previous years? And his money does not buy what he could buy in previous years?

I already told you that if the only way a person can measure economy is through inflation and feeling, and your argument is based only on that, then you won and we have no argument. I know and Kamala also admitted that many people are still feeling the inflation impact of covid. That was why I responded to Ijebos that the best Kamala can do is to explain to these illiterates that she will fight those behind illegal price increments and that she will also put more money in their pocket through tax cut, child support and elder support. These are smart ideas that will move those who only understand economy through inflation and feeling. I think this is why she has almost wiped out Trump's lead on the Economy in the polls.

The issue I have with your earlier post is you dismissing economy expert figures because people are not feeling it, and I had to explain to you that Economy numbers is beyond inflation and feeling.... When economy is doing well or bad, you might not feel it immediately, but experts can see through the numbers and tell you there is danger or prosperity ahead...even when many people living in the economy are not feeling it yet.

ObaIgwe1:


I already told you that if the only way a person can measure economy is through inflation and feeling, and your argument is based only on that, then you won and we have no argument. I know and Kamala also admitted that many people are still feeling the inflation impact of covid. That was why I responded to Ijebos that the best Kamala can do is to explain to these illiterates that she will fight those behind illegal price increments and that she will also put more money in their pocket through tax cut, child support and elder support. These are smart ideas that will move those who only understand economy through inflation and feeling. I think this is why she has almost wiped out Trump's lead on the Economy in the polls.

The issue I have with your earlier post is you dismissing economy expert figures because people are not feeling it, and I had to explain to you that Economy numbers is beyond inflation and feeling.... When economy is doing well or bad, you might not feel it immediately, but experts can see through the numbers and tell you there is danger or prosperity ahead...even when many people living in the economy are not feeling it yet.

Any policy that is towards the people and the people cannot feel it is not worth it. Personal economy is what these people live on a daily basis.

Thank you for calling them ILLITERATES. Maybe Kamala, Obama Clinton who agree the economy was better under Trump are also illiterates

Kamala has backed away from Bidenomics, why that? Do you think she doesn't have the data to double down on it?
Obama said Trumps economy was better than now but claims credit for it, Why? Do you think Obama does not have the data that Biden is actually better?
Clinton is saying that vote Kamala even if the economy was better under Trump, Why that? Do you also think Clinton does not have the data

All these tax cut, child support and elder support, The question they've been asking her is why didn't she do it in the 4yrs she was in the administration?

The work of these economic expert is to translate into the lives of people. You live in Nigeria, How many of those economic expert figures and policies have translated into a better life for you? But you must not complain since you don't have a PhD in Economics

Let me ask you why are you complaining about Nigeria? This is what the world bank said about Nigerian economy 2 weeks ago. Do you know more than the experts from the worldbank?

ABUJA, October 17, 2024 – Since May 2023, Nigeria has implemented significant reforms to stabilize its economy, resulting in modest growth, improved fiscal health, and rising foreign exchange reserves.

The fiscal position is also improving, with the Federal Government's fiscal deficit narrowing to 4.4% of GDP in the first half of 2024 from 6.2% in the first half of 2023, helping to mitigate debt-related risks. Foreign exchange reserves – a buffer against external shocks – have risen from $32.9 billion at the end of 2023 to more than $38.8 billion by mid-October 2024.
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2024/10/17/nigeria-staying-the-course-on-reforms-progress-amidst-challenges

Trial court and appellatte court sided with the Biden's administration "that states under federal law remove large groups of people from the voter roll within 90 days of the election" but people can register to vote 22 days before the election.

This does not make sense at all.

ObaIgwe1:


I already told you that if the only way a person can measure economy is through inflation and feeling, and your argument is based only on that, then you won and we have no argument. I know and Kamala also admitted that many people are still feeling the inflation impact of covid. That was why I responded to Ijebos that the best Kamala can do is to explain to these illiterates that she will fight those behind illegal price increments and that she will also put more money in their pocket through tax cut, child support and elder support. These are smart ideas that will move those who only understand economy through inflation and feeling. I think this is why she has almost wiped out Trump's lead on the Economy in the polls.

The issue I have with your earlier post is you dismissing economy expert figures because people are not feeling it, and I had to explain to you that Economy numbers is beyond inflation and feeling.... When economy is doing well or bad, you might not feel it immediately, but experts can see through the numbers and tell you there is danger or prosperity ahead...even when many people living in the economy are not feeling it yet.

Oga that is the only way.
If the people of a country cannot afford basic stuff, no matter what you put in data or paper about the economy, life is bad.

They are talking about 80k minimum wage, which is a significant jump from where it was 2010. But how much is transportation? how much of the 80k will remain if you feel your tank twice a month?

No matter how much someone earns or how many jobs are created, If people struggle to do anything with the money they earn, then the economy is not good. period.

bemeruca:


Oga that is the only way.
If the people of a country cannot afford basic stuff, no matter what you put in data or paper about the economy, life is bad.

They are talking about 80k minimum wage, which is a significant jump from where it was 2010. But how much is transportation? how much of the 80k will remain if you feel your tank twice a month?

No matter how much someone earns or how many jobs are created, If people struggle to do anything with the money they earn, then the economy is not good. period.

Ask Obaigwe1 why he is not believing the experts data on Nigeria and lamenting about Tinubu, Abi which expert data pass worldbank?

The fiscal position is also improving, with the Federal Government's fiscal deficit narrowing to 4.4% of GDP in the first half of 2024 from 6.2% in the first half of 2023, helping to mitigate debt-related risks. Foreign exchange reserves – a buffer against external shocks – have risen from $32.9 billion at the end of 2023 to more than $38.8 billion by mid-October 2024
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2024/10/17/nigeria-staying-the-course-on-reforms-progress-amidst-challenges