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Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by AntiChristian: 12:15pm On Nov 11 |
TenQ: Over to the next lie! Na Hadith remain! Lie don bust! We no complain about our Hadith! We believe in the them as they are Sahih, Hasan, etc ! They are authenticated by known scholars of Islam! We don't believe in Paul's "..the letter kills..." |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 12:41pm On Nov 11 |
AntiChristian:I asked you a basic question Your hadiths are collected and vetted by your scholars : thus Can we trust your Hadiths? |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by Qasim6(m): 1:26pm On Nov 11 |
TenQ: I don't even know what fahja "فَحْجَة"mean You can not translate farjaha as her vulva/vigina because furujahum is exact same word only in plural form. Except if you are going to translate Q33:35 as "men who guard their vulvas/viginas". The best way to translate "فُرُوجَهُمْ/فَرْجَهَا" should be "her private part/their private parts" And stop being mischievous, you can not choose "it" for "فِيهَا" and "her" for "وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا and وَٱبْنَهَآ" you are only exposing yourself as the disingenuous person that you are. |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 1:56pm On Nov 11 |
Qasim6:You wouldn't know what the word "فَرْجَهَا" "farjaha" mean by choice as you saw that the alif was missing. So, I challenge you to give me five sentences without using the fraudulent Qur'an translation using the word "فَرْجَهَا" Qasim6:Feigning deaf and dumb doesn't help you one bit as I did break it down clearly for you. 1. Is it UNTRUE that the Arabic word "فُرُوجَهُمْ" ("furūjuhum" translates to "their private parts" or "their genitals" in English. 2. Is it UNTRUE that the term "فَرْجَهَا" (fahjaha) in Arabic refers to a woman's private part or b]woman's genitals or the vulva/vagina 3. Is it UNTRUE that, "furūjuhum" and "fahjaha" refers to PRIVATE PARTS. "furūjuhum" is Plural while "fahjaha" is singular FEMALE The "Private part" or "genital" of a Woman is called either VULVA or VAGINA! This was what your Jibril BLEW into! Why do you Muslims tell blatant obvious lies under the guise of Arabic language. The Challenge still remains Give me five days to day sentences without using the fraudulent Qur'an translations using the word "فَرْجَهَا" I await either you refuse the challenge or tell another lie |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by gaskiyamagana: 7:38pm On Nov 11 |
TenQ:I will be a liar or inconsistent . I have severally that l pitied those arguing with you anti Islam programed robots. I the same person you expect to respond to you? |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by NairaLTQ: 9:28pm On Nov 11 |
gaskiyamagana:Too bad! Only at death would majority of you Muslims discover that you have followed the Antichrist rather than the Messiah! But like Jesus said John 3:19: "And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." Time ALWAYS reveal the truth: and you cannot blame Christians for not showing you the way of salvation |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by gaskiyamagana: 10:19pm On Nov 12 |
NairaLTQ:Jennifer Dairy sermon series 1. Next please. |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by AntiisIam(m): 7:23am On Nov 13 |
gaskiyamagana: Slave, address the question |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 11:38am On Nov 13 |
Antichristian Qasim6 Ohyoudidnt Gaskiyamagana What do you think of this your scholars take on the crucifixion of Jesus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh2lN9uSZ0U?si=ScGkz1O7-q2M24bG |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by AntiChristian: 11:45am On Nov 13 |
TenQ: None of my business on scholars matter! Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned. Qur'an 2:256 He will carry his load while i carry mine! Have i asked you about Pa Adeboye's claim on God drinking his tea? 1 Like |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 12:31pm On Nov 13 |
AntiChristian:But he made some serious allegations about you making Allah unjust and deceitful. Actually, if Allah convinced the Disciples, Mary the mother of Jesus, the Jews and the Romans that Jesus was the One on the cross and Allah did not correct his deceit for 600 years, : it is a big problem of Islam! You said Adeboye made a claim: yes, I heard he did! It's a claim and not the scripture! |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by AntiChristian: 12:44pm On Nov 13 |
TenQ: The belief in the death of Jesus is not needed for the salivation of anyone! Even Jesus didn't tell anyone to believe in his death to be saved! So what Jesus called his people to was to the worship of Allah alone and following the teachings the revelation revealed to Jesus! So in the scheme of things, whether you believe Jesus died or not, God does not die! And only God alone deserves the worship! You said Adeboye made a claim: yes, I heard he did! It's a claim and not the scripture!So did he lied about the claim that God drank his tea? |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 1:46pm On Nov 13 |
AntiChristian:How do you know what Jesus came to preach? If Jesus preached exactly what the Bible said: you'ld be in serious trouble. Jesus said: God is SPIRIT! Allah is certainly NOT a spirit according to Islam and Islam doesn't even know what a spirit is! How do you address your notion that Allah convinced Mary and the Disciples that Jesus died on the cross? How do you address your notion that Allah substituted Jesus with someone else: is this not unjust? How do you address your notion that Allah kept his deception secret for more than 600 years before correcting the truth the disciples of Jesus saw? How do you address your notion that Allah was unjust to the Christians even by his destiny? AntiChristian:This is your opinion and everyone has the right to have his opinion on his claim |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by AntiChristian: 5:08pm On Nov 13 |
TenQ:I believe Jesus didn't preach what is in the Bible! That i am so sure of because of the many discrepancies across the four Gospels! What Jesus came to preach is lost! And Jesus was not even sent to me but to Israel! So wetin concern me with his matter? Jesus said: God is SPIRIT! Allah is not human nor Jinn nor Angel nor like any of His creation! He is as He called Himself! Spirit is English! When you talk about Ruh, Nafs and the associating context then we know what you mean! Jinns and Angels are also spirits to you! How do you address your notion that Allah convinced Mary and the Disciples that Jesus died on the cross?Who told you Mary and the disciples believed Jesus died on the cross in Islam? Many sects including the Basilidian denied the crucifixion. They were one of the first-century sects. So where do you see Mary and the disciples believe Jesus died for their sins in Islam? How do you address your notion that Allah substituted Jesus with someone else: is this not unjust?Allah wasn't unjust to anybody as He does what He wills with any of His creation based on His infinite knowledge and Power! Was Yahweh unjust by killing Job's kids in Job 1:16? How do you address your notion that Allah kept his deception secret for more than 600 years before correcting the truth the disciples of Jesus saw?The substitution on the cross is what Allah want! One is that He saved Jesus from death! Secondly the substitute may attain martyrdom through that means! And thirdly Satan will use that means to accrue followers to believe in the crucified substitute who has the image of Jesus! But whoever follows the true revelation of Jesus will be saved! The 600 years is a period in between Prophets! Those who did not get any messenger will be tested on Judgement day! How do you address your notion that Allah was unjust to the Christians even by his destiny?There was no deception from Allah! It's just like your God letting Satan tempt Job then his children was killed by fire from heaven Despite Job's righteousness! Allah does whatever He wills. How can you kill children while testing the father? Why didn't God kill Mary to tempt Jesus? Was God unjust to Job's children? This is your opinion and everyone has the right to have his opinion on his claimI will like to know your opinion on the tea matter! Does Yahweh or Jesus still drink tea? |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 6:16pm On Nov 13 |
AntiChristian:I didn't ask you about what you believed. I said: How do you know what Jesus came to preach? In other words, as you don't have a credible source of your history, you don't know what Jesus preached. Yours fable about Jesus is a made up conjecture. AntiChristian:Spirit is RUACH in Hebrew. Unfortunately, even your prophet doesn't know what a spirit is. If you know, tell me. Ruh and Nafs are two completely different things. Ruh is spirit while Nafs is the Soul. Let me lecture you if you will learn A Spirit is a non material existence of a personality. God is the Infinite Boundless Spirit. The whole universe and the heavens are inside Him. This is why YHWH is Omnipresent. Allah Unfortunately is not Omnipresent as his existence is not different from the existence of Iblis! AntiChristian:Mary worshipped with the Apostles after the resurrection and Ascension of Jesus Christ. She lived the rest of her life till death with John who was one of the 12 Apostles of Jesus. But your prophet doesn't know Mary: yet he is planning to marry her in the Islamic paradise full of sex orgies. Your prophet also thinks that Mary is the sister of Aaron : Islamic scholars are manufacturing tonnes of reasons to escape this dilemma. The question was How do you address your notion that Allah convinced Mary and the Disciples that Jesus died on the cross? All the Disciples of Jesus except John died violent death by execution because they continued to preach that Jesus died, resurrected and went up to heaven in their presence. Do you think the deception of Allah still did not work on them? AntiChristian:Your Lying spirit have possessed you again. Show me where YHWH killed Jobs children? Since it was Allah who substituted Jesus with an innocent man, the question is : Who was this innocent man and what is his name? AntiChristian:1. Thank you for acknowledging that Allah created Christianity (as a test-whatever that means ) . The implication is that Allah singlehandedly destroyed all the work Jesus came to do on earth by himself. Don't you think so? Do you think Allah did not destroy all the work Jesus did while on earth? 2. If it is true that Allah saved Jesus by taking Him up to himself in paradise, Who else was aware of Jesus being taken up amongst His Disciples or Apostles or Family? AntiChristian:Hear yourself: God doesn't restrict satan from Tempting Human beings. Satan uses whatever instrument of Temptations in his hands . Allah tempts people BUT YHWH does not Tempt People. I hope you know the difference between Testing and Temptation? You however did not answer my question: If Allah created Christianity by delaying the correction of the error which he caused by himself (or is it Iblis that caused the error), is this Right? AntiChristian:Have you ever heard that Jesus on earth drank TEA? Have you ever heard that YHWH drank TEA? If your answer is NO, then your question is SATANIC! Tell me how you know That Jesus used to drink Tea as Jews then don't have tea as beverage? |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by Leemzyy(f): 8:00pm On Nov 14 |
gaskiyamagana:u dey mind him 1 Like |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by Leemzyy(f): 8:04pm On Nov 14 |
AbuTwins:gbam!!! 1 Like |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by gaskiyamagana: 10:14pm On Nov 14 |
TenQ:" Blessed is the one who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock " Psalm 137:9. 1 Like |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by gaskiyamagana: 10:18pm On Nov 14 |
AntiisIam:Tesla robot; disenable, re program, reboot and re ask the question. |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 5:22am On Nov 15 |
gaskiyamagana:What do you think this scripture mean? I also saw this verse and I wonder at the logic Qur'an 5:18 "But the Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and His beloved.' Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?' Compare with Proverbs 3:11-12: "My son, do not despise the Lord's discipline or be weary of His reproof, for the Lord reproves him whom He loves , as a father the son in whom he delights." |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by gaskiyamagana: 9:20pm On Nov 17 |
TenQ:You are asking me, you a believer in the Bible from which the verse was quoted and, who by default, that known "well well' explanations of Qur'anic verses can not explain Psalm 137:9 ? |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 11:00pm On Nov 17 |
gaskiyamagana:1. There is nothing anyone can do as help for you if you choose to misunderstand Psalm 137:9 Thus I asked you the simple question: What do you think this scripture mean? 2. I presented to you Qur'an 5:18 and the sensibility of its conclusion. Do you discipline your own children and WHY? It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance! |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by Ohyoudidnt: 8:04am On Nov 18 |
TenQ: Always spewing for unnecessary banter. Did you really present the conclusion of Quran 5:18? |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 8:59am On Nov 18 |
Ohyoudidnt: Qur'an 5:18 "But the Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and His beloved.' Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?' Meaning that: A good father doesn't discipline his children! Or If a father truely loves you, he wouldn't punish your for your misbehaviours! So, I ask: Is this true also for you? Do you discipline your own children and WHY? It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance! You can see how Allah's argument is ludicrously childish! |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:52am On Nov 18 |
TenQ: O People of the Book! Why do you mix the truth with falsehood and hide the truth knowingly? 2:85 Then, you are those [same ones who are] killing one another and evicting a party of your people from their homes, cooperating against them in sin and aggression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their eviction was forbidden to you. So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 3:36pm On Nov 18 |
Ohyoudidnt: Is my question too difficult for you? Or do you think that the true answers you should have given are embarrassing to you? Again: Qur'an 5:18 "But the Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and His beloved.' Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?' Meaning that: A good father doesn't discipline his children! Or If a father truely loves you, he wouldn't punish your for your misbehaviours! So, I ask: Is this true also for you? Do you discipline your own children and WHY? It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance! You can see how Allah's argument is ludicrously childish! |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by Ohyoudidnt: 3:47pm On Nov 18 |
TenQ: Post Quran 5:18 in full and see your answer |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 4:02pm On Nov 18 |
Ohyoudidnt:I posted it and asked you the simple question. Are you scared of betrayin g common sense? Is my question too difficult for you? Or do you think that the true answers you should have given are embarrassing to you? Again: Qur'an 5:18 "But the Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and His beloved.' Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?' Meaning that: A good father doesn't discipline his children! Or If a father truely loves you, he wouldn't punish your for your misbehaviours! So, I ask: Is this true also for you? Do you discipline your own children and WHY? It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance! You can see how Allah's argument is ludicrously childish! |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by Ohyoudidnt: 4:28pm On Nov 18 |
TenQ: Do look at it from the Quran itself not a template you are using |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 4:55pm On Nov 18 |
Ohyoudidnt:Here is it I posted it and asked you the simple question. Are you scared of betraying common sense? Is my question too difficult for you? Or do you think that the true answers you should have given are embarrassing to you? Again: Qur'an 5:18 "But the Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and His beloved.' Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?' Meaning that: A good father doesn't discipline his children! Or If a father truely loves you, he wouldn't punish your for your misbehaviours! So, I ask: Is this true also for you? Do you discipline your own children and WHY? It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance! You can see how Allah's argument is ludicrously childish!
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Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by Ohyoudidnt: 6:04pm On Nov 18 |
TenQ: Good you posted it in full. Now you see; 1. A rejection of the Israelites being children of Allah. (No) 2. They are only humans that are created like others. 3. He forgives who he will and not others as they are aware and responsible for their actions though it's within his mercy to forgive what or who he wants. Similar to Exodus 34: 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.” In disciplining my children I educate them to identify what wrong is done, think and be remorseful so on their own they wouldn't do that again. |
Re: When Jubril Came To Mary, Was He A Man Or An Angel? by TenQ: 6:22pm On Nov 18 |
Ohyoudidnt:So, why did you forget Allahs wonderful argument which he used to buttress his point Did Allah not tell Mohammed to: Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?' if indeed the Jews and Christians are God's children! I noted all what Allah said BUT this argument is my bone of contention. Is it a reasonable argument? |
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