TenQ:

So, why did you forget Allahs wonderful argument which he used to buttress his point

Did Allah not tell Mohammed to:
Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'
if indeed the Jews and Christians are God's children!


I noted all what Allah said BUT this argument is my bone of contention.

Is it a reasonable argument?

Ohyoudidnt:


You don't understand the rhetoric. This challenges the mistaken belief that simply being part of a faith or having a certain lineage ensures Allah’s favor. It highlights that Allah’s justice applies to everyone, and each individual is responsible for their actions. Genuine closeness to Allah is achieved not through titles or ancestry, but through sincere faith and good deeds.

TenQ:

I honestly understand you very well. Even the times when the Jews were in Arabia (during the time of your Prophet Mohammed), they were under the punishment of YHWH but this doesn't stop their sonship. God uses nations even more wicked than them to punish the Jews , like when you prophet killed about 700 Jewish men of Banu Qurayza tribe

In the Scripture of the Jews and the Christians
YHWH is the Father of Angels
YHWH is the Father of Adam
YHWH is the Father of Israel (as a Nation)
YHWH is the Father of David
YHWH is the Father of Solomon
YHWH is the Father of Peacemakers
YHWH is the Father of Christians
YHWH is the Father of Jesus Christ

The term "Sons of God" are those whom God YHWH Himself call His Sons. No one can arrogate the Title to himself by choice or will.

It is at least clear to you Muslims that Allah of Islam is NOT the YHWH of the Jews and Christians.

Quran 29:46 is thus a blatant LIE from the Deceiver

Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is One. And to Him we submit.”

YHWH the God of the CHristians and Jews do punish them severely when they sin against Him unlike Allah and I can give you several verses to buttress this up

The argument of Allah is what I want to deal with here
Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'




To properly clarify this, a single question to be asked is this below
Is Allah the father of Anyone in Islam?

Ohyoudidnt:


I don't understand how our interactions are disrespectful and not cordial.

Allah is the Creator of everything and relies on no one. The idea of having divine or physical offspring suggests a form of dependency or need, which goes against His complete self-sufficiency.

Ohyoudidnt:

I have explained that the question is rhetoric showing there's no preference of one tribe over the other as all creation is accountable.
Also there is no conclusive evidence or agreement that all Jews in Arabia during the time of Prophet Muhammad faced punishment from YHWH.

TenQ:

Our interactions can be respectful and cordial when it is based on truths from historical, logical and empirical sources. It becomes hard only when intellectual dishonesty is applied with simple questions. It is difficult getting the truth out of a Muslim: very difficult.

Example: Why do you Muslims like strawman argument.
Even though you know know well by context that not one Christian or Jew ever insinuated a biological reproduction by God?
Why is it that this is what you always defend and refute at the same time?

WHOEVER GOD CALLS HIS SON BECOMES HIS SON: IT MEANS THAT SUCH A CREATURE HAS BEEN ELEVATED FROM SLAVERY TO A HIGH STATUS WITH A RELATIONSHIP BASED ON LOVE AS SONS IS TO THEIR FATHER


On this issue, are you saying that the Kunfayakun of Allah cannot make a pronouncement that an obedient slave has a special relationship with him.
1. Who made Ibrahim the Friend of Allah? Does God NEED a friend? Is this a kind of dependency?
2. Do you think any human being is qualified to make himself a friend of Allah?
3. Does Allah have the right and power to make anyone of his obedient creatures his friend?



Does Allah gives preference to some people over others in Islam?

God YHWH called David, Solomon and the Peacemakers his sons: these are no tribes but people. And the argument of Allah still break down.
Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'


All Jews were driven out of Israel by the Romans at 70 AD. This was what got them into the Arabian peninsula and every nation of the world. Even their temple was totally destroyed to the foundation. The land of Israel became desolate baren lands. It is not even the first nor second time that the whole of Israel would be deported out of Israel. Learn your history sir. Those who finally returned back became scavengers in the land God promised them.

TenQ:

1. There is nothing anyone can do as help for you if you choose to misunderstand Psalm 137:9
Thus I asked you the simple question:
What do you think this scripture mean?

2. I presented to you Qur'an 5:18 and the sensibility of its conclusion.

Do you discipline your own children and WHY?

It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance!

gaskiyamagana:

I misunderstand that simple straightforward statement in English of Psalms 137:9; but how come you are master of Quranic verses? Hypocrite per excellent!

Ohyoudidnt:


When you like scattering straws to litter the space😁

Do you not the sonshhip of Jesus to God is of biological nature?

In the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh), the term for son is בֵּן (ben), which denotes not only biological relationships but also a deeper spiritual connection. In ancient Israelite culture, being a son often implied inheritance rights, authority, and a special relationship with God.

2 Samuel 7:14 speaks directly about God’s covenant with David: “I will be his father, and he shall be My son.” This establishes a familial relationship between God and David’s lineage.

Ohyoudidnt:

So?

Who is created as a slave and in what context do you mean this?

Ohyoudidnt:


And who is better in faith than those who ˹fully˺ submit themselves to Allah, do good, and follow the Way of Abraham, the upright? Allah chose Abraham as a close friend.

Ohyoudidnt:

The verse is a rebuttal to Israelites who accord special status to themselves as 'children of God'

Ohyoudidnt:

Many historians argue that the expulsion of Jews in 70AD should be understood within its socio-political context rather than solely as divine retribution. Do you have scripture stating it was punishment and on their expulsion did they move to Arabia specifically?

Is it essentially punishment when lands experience droughts or become barren?

TenQ:

The highlighted is NO sir!
Because Jesus existed BEFORE He was Born (even in Islam). Thus Jesus's sonship is NOT Biological.

As you rightly noted: 2 Samuel 7:14 shows that the Relationship is RELATIONAL: meaning BELOVED above ALL with a relationship that is FAMILIAL


I am using ISLAM for you.
But notwithstanding, every human being is just at best an APE if he is not a child of God.
This misunderstanding is what makes Islam and Mohammed unable to explain the meaning of God creating Adam in His own Image!

Do you know the meaning?


Does it diminish Allah to choose Abraham as a friend?
Does it connote a dependency of Allah to choose Abraham as a friend?

Logic deludes you Muslims to note that just as Allah chose Abraham as a friend, he could have said: Abraham is my son
It is the same logic except that Muslims do not think neither do they choose the truth


Jews and Christians speak the Truth according to their scripture.

In the Scripture of the Jews and the Christians
YHWH is the Father of Angels
YHWH is the Father of Adam
YHWH is the Father of Israel (as a Nation)
YHWH is the Father of David
YHWH is the Father of Solomon
YHWH is the Father of Peacemakers
YHWH is the Father of Christians
YHWH is the Father of Jesus Christ

The term "Sons of God" are those whom God YHWH Himself choose to call His Sons. No one can arrogate the Title to himself by choice or will.

Is Allah a father to ANYONE in Islam?


Here is where Jesus pronounced the Judgement of Jerusalem

Luke 19:41-44
"If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you."

Can you see that you know not the scriptures not prophecies.

Does Allah gives preference to some people over others in Islam?

God YHWH called David, Solomon and the Peacemakers his sons: these are no tribes but people. And the argument of Allah still break down.
Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'

Ohyoudidnt:


There you throw straws around again.

Particularly where do you put the inheritance rights?

You have been told before that Allah is the Creator of everything and relies on no one. The idea of having divine or physical offspring suggests a form of dependency or need, which goes against His complete self-sufficiency.

Ohyoudidnt:

Worshipping Allah and forming a friendship with Him (wali) is quite different from the idea of being His child. In Islam, the bond between Allah and those who sincerely worship him is special, highlighting both humility and intimacy. While some faiths refer to believers as "children of God," Islam describes this divine connection through worship and spiritual friendship (wilayah).

Ohyoudidnt:

Worship in Islam goes beyond mere rituals; it involves complete submission, love, and devotion to Allah. This fosters a deep connection without undermining Allah’s greatness. Allah states:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me" (51:56).
Through worship, believers recognize Allah’s supreme authority, mercy, and love, which transforms their lives and draws them closer to Him.

A friend or ally of Allah is someone who aligns their life with Allah's guidance and receives divine support and protection. The Quran mentions:

"Unquestionably, for the allies (awliya) of Allah, there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve. They are those who believed and were conscious of Allah" (10:62-63).

In Islam, the act of worshipping Allah and seeking to become His friend embodies a profound relationship characterized by love, trust, and closeness that goes beyond the human concept of being a child of God. This bond is devoid of anthropomorphic traits and highlights the believer’s humility and dedication. Unlike the notion of being a child, which suggests a sense of entitlement, friendship with Allah is something that must be earned and is accessible to all, irrespective of their background, through genuine worship and righteousness.

Ohyoudidnt:

Luke 19:41-44 may serve as scriptural support for viewing the destruction as punishment for rejecting Jesus, claiming a direct link between this event and subsequent settlement patterns requires more detailed historical analysis. It also brings questions about how freely the Christian God by you who gives his blessings as it implies a kind of blackmail or force.

There is no explicit mention in historical texts linking Luke 19:41-44 directly to the 70AD expulsion or are you doing your strawman argument now?

drlateef:






Jubril is an Angel, not God Almighty. Jubril is a messenger, messengers can appear in various forms as decreed by God Almighty. But God almighty cannot come down to earth to be killed by humans that He created. He can do everything but He will not yo below the dignity of His majesty. Imagine if Jesus was god and he was killed, who was in charge of the whole creation at that point that the god died?

AntiChristian:


I don't even know what he hopes to achieve here when it's established Allah appoints Angel to each womb!

TenQ:



Are you saying that Allah HIMSELF inflated Mary with baby Isa by putting his mouth on her Farjah and blowing hard into it?

Don't you think that Allah should have sent someone else to do this DIRTY job?
(I guess that was why your translators opted to give the dirty job to Jubril to do : but you think otherwise)

TenQ:

Strawman argument again. No christian nor Jew allude physical sonship to anyone.

TenQ:


Tell me, How many khalilulLah do you know in this world (apart from Abraham and Mohammed)?

You very well know that I am not speaking to you about the Awliya of Allah for these are Helpers and at best Allies.

Do you understand how Putin (Russia) and Kim Jong Un (North Korea) are Awliya of each other BUT not khalil of each other?

Any muslim can strive to be Awliya of Allah but can any muslim call himself khalilulLah ?



You just asserted that Allah DEPENDS on the worship from his slaves.
Thus you Muslims are helping (Awliya) Allah

Do you think God depends on the help of men?


So, when a parent disciplines his child, it is a kind of blackmail and force!?
Can you please give a historical text that explicitly rejects Lk 19:41-44 from 70AD?

TenQ:

You just asserted that Allah DEPENDS on the worship from his slaves.
Thus you Muslims are helping (Awliya) Allah

Do you think God depends on the help of men?

TenQ:

Do you understand how Putin (Russia) and Kim Jong Un (North Korea) are Awliya of each other BUT not khalil of each other?

TenQ:

Can you please give a historical text that explicitly rejects Lk 19:41-44 from 70AD?

Ohyoudidnt:


Do you deny that the physical and spiritual sonship of Jesus to God is a key element in Christian theology? Highlighting both his unique divine nature and the relational connection he has with believers through faith.
In contrast, Judaism interprets sonship mainly in terms of collective identity and the covenantal relationship, without any suggestion of divinity linked to individual figures.

Ohyoudidnt:

The term Awliyah (the plural of Wali) in Arabic means “friends” or “allies.” In an Islamic context, it refers to those individuals who are regarded as close to Allah because of their piety, righteousness, and devotion.

Ohyoudidnt:

Awliyah signifies the friends or allies of Allah known for their piety, while Kalilullah specifically refers to Ibrahim as the friend of Allah, representing a close relationship with the Divine marked by steadfast faith. Please show where you have prophet Muhammad pbuh referred to with the title kalilulah.

Ohyoudidnt:

Quran 51:56 highlights a key principle of Islamic belief about the purpose of human existence, emphasizing that Allah does not require worship. Rather, it illustrates how worship serves humanity by nurturing a connection with the Creator and steering individuals toward moral and spiritual growth.

Ohyoudidnt:

Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin are indeed allies who share a friendship rooted in historical ties and contemporary geopolitical strategies. Their interactions reflect not only personal camaraderie but also a calculated approach to enhance their respective positions on the global stage

Ohyoudidnt:

You play dumb to the fact that some homes exist on a principle that if I do or don't this I will be punished or [b]deprived [/b]of certain things.

TenQ:

Yes, I TOTALLY deny the biological sonship of Jesus.
In Christian theology, Jesus is not considered the biological son of God in the sense of physical parentage, as God is spirit and does not have a physical body (John 4:24). Instead, Jesus is referred to as the Son of God in a theological and spiritual sense, signifying His unique relationship with God the Father.

I challenge you to find even a single sect of heretical christian that thinks that Jesus is a biological son of God.

Ohyoudidnt:


Do you also deny that Jesus was physically and biologically born from Mary?

I will answer your other responses later.

TenQ:

No one denies that Jesus was a real physical being just like Adam, David, Solomon, and we Christians who are also called Children of God!


Do you deny that Adam, David, Solomon, Israel, every peacemaker and us Christians are physical and biological beings?


Did God physically give birth to Adam, David, Solomon, Israel, every peacemaker and us Christians who individually are children of God?
The answer is NO!

Let me ask you a basic question:
According to Allah, did Jesus existed before He was blown into Mary?

Ohyoudidnt:


You don't deny his humanity good. What about who you have known as Melchizedek?

Was your spirit in existence before you were born or conceived in your mother's womb?

TenQ:

Awliyah just mean either Allies or Helper abd NOT close friends

If Awliyah means friends exactly like Khalil why do you think Mohammed is not Khalilullah?

TenQ:


If Awliyah means friends exactly like Khalil why do you think Mohammed is not Khalilullah?



Sunan Ibn Majah 141
"The Messenger of Allah said: 'Allah has taken me as a close friend (Khalil) as He took Ibrahim as a close friend. So my house and the house of Ibrahim will be opposite to one another on the Day of Resurrection, and 'Abbas will be in between us, a believer between two close friends.'"(Maudu)


Sahih Muslim 532 http://pureislam.net/HadeethTexts/Index/287
Jundub ibn ‘Abdullāh (may Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) five (nights) before he died, saying: "I stand acquitted before Allah that I took anyone of you as an intimate friend, for Allah has taken me as an intimate friend just as he took Ibrahīm as an intimate friend. Had I taken anyone from my nation as an intimate friend, I would have taken Abu Bakr as an intimate friend. Beware! Those who were before you used to take the graves of their prophets as places for prayer. Beware! Do not take tombs as places for prayer, for I forbid you to do so."
https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/3347

TenQ:

He created man and Jinn to worship him isnt it?
It is just pure english language

What happens if man and Jinn do not worship Allah?

TenQ:

Really!?
Just exactly like Donald Trump went to North korea to visit Kim Jong Un and gave him a vehicle showing that they are good friends.
You see why I sound hard towards you: simple truth is difficult for you to say.

You seem not to comprehend that
Russia supported United Nations Security Council (UNSC) sanctions against North Korea, particularly between 2006 and 2017, in response to North Korea’s nuclear and missile tests. For example, Russia backed UNSC Resolutions 2270 (2016) and 2321 (2016), which imposed severe economic restrictions on North Korea, including a cap on coal exports—one of North Korea's major revenue sources

TenQ:


1. Is it true that Any muslim can strive to be Awliya of Allah but NO muslim call himself khalilulLah?
2. Is it true that Allah gives preference to some people over others in Islam?

TenQ:

I believe I asked you a simple question:
According to Allah, did Jesus existed before He was blown into Mary?

And since you change the topic to Melchizedek, then you must also answer this question for us to move forward.
Who is Al-Khidr and Is Al-Khidr acting in the will of Allah by killing the boy to the dismay of Moses?



Melchizedek is an enigma in the bible: However what is known about him is that
1. Unlike Levitical priests, whose qualifications depended on their genealogical descent from Aaron, Melchizedek’s priesthood was not based on any ancestry.
2. Unlike Levitical priests, whose qualification terminates at death, Melchizedek’s priesthood and priestly role is presented without reference to his birth or death, symbolizing an eternal priesthood.
3. Melchizedek’s is an example of the Priesthood of Jesus Christ which is NOT from the tribe of Levi and is without end. In Israel, the Lineage of Judah produced the Kings of Israel while the tribe of Levi produced the priests of Israel. Jesus is of the tribe of Judah and not Levi BUT is a priest of a new Order.
Other than this, not much detail is spoken about Melchizedek.

Ohyoudidnt:


I didn't change the question but ask you a question so you can answer what you asked yourself.

TenQ:

I answered your question, so please answer mine too.

Ohyoudidnt:


You don't deny his humanity good. What about who you have known as Melchizedek?

Was your spirit in existence before you were born or conceived in your mother's womb?

Ohyoudidnt:


Awliyah refers to the friends or allies of Allah who are recognized for their piety, whereas Kalilullah specifically identifies Ibrahim as the friend of Allah. This title symbolizes a close relationship with the Divine, marked by steadfast faith.

In Islamic thought, the term “Awliya” denotes the friends or allies of Allah, distinguished by their piety and closeness to Him. Although many individuals can achieve the status of Awliya through their righteous actions and devotion, Khalilullah signifies a higher level because of the exceptional nature of his relationship with Allah.

Friendships are defined by emotional connections and need ongoing effort to maintain. In contrast, allies come together for shared objectives and may not need personal ties. The number of friendships is often restricted by cognitive limits (known as Dunbar’s Number), whereas alliances can be broad without these restrictions.

Over thinking the above can cause misunderstanding however allies and friends are quite similar on certain points. The relationship between allies is more utilitarian; it focuses on collaboration towards shared goals rather than emotional attachment. Allies may not have a personal bond but are more united in their objectives.

Ohyoudidnt:

You first start with a fabricated hadith then the other however you fail to understand that the primary book for Muslims doesn't describe prophet Muhammad pbuh in this way.

The Qur'an presents the Prophet Muhammad pbuh in various ways, emphasizing his role as the final messenger, a mercy for all beings, and a guiding example for the faithful:

"Indeed, you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example for anyone who hopes in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah often."Quran 33:21

Hadith literature enhances the understanding of the Qur'an by offering deeper insights into the life and significance of the Prophet pbuh. Sahih Muslim 532 is considered authentic in its context and highlights the Prophet's pbuh esteemed position, which is consistent with the overarching themes of Islamic theology. The term "Khalil" underscores his intimate relationship with Allah, yet it does not conflict with the Qur'anic message; it merely lacks explicit confirmation in those precise words.

Ohyoudidnt:

The concept of Allah's independence and self-sufficiency is central to Islamic belief. He is known as As-Samad (The Self-Sufficient), and His essence and majesty remain unchanged regardless of the worship or disobedience of His creation. Even if humans and jinn chose not to worship Allah, the following truths hold true:

1. Allah Remains Unaffected
Allah does not need worship to uphold His sovereignty or power. The Quran confirms this.
If you disbelieve, indeed, Allah is Free of need of you. And He does not approve for His servants disbelief. And if you are grateful, He approves it for you." (Quran 39:7)
This emphasizes that human and jinn worship is for their own benefit, not for Allah's.

2.The Purpose of Creation is Unfulfilled
Allah created humans and jinn with a specific purpose: "And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me." (Quran 51:56) If they neglect this worship, they fail to achieve their purpose, resulting in their own loss, not Allah's.

3. Consequences for Disobedience
Allah has established clear consequences for those who choose to turn away from His worship.

They will face punishment in the Hereafter for neglecting their purpose and disobeying Him: "Indeed, those who disbelieve will be told, 'The hatred of Allah for you was greater than your hatred of yourselves [this Day] when you were invited to faith, but you refused.'" (Quran 40:10)

They will experience a life filled with emptiness and dissatisfaction in this world: "And whoever turns away from my recollection, he will indeed lead a life filled with despair." (Quran 20:124)

4. The Benefits of Worship for the Worshiper
Worship is not a burden; rather, it serves as a pathway for both humans and jinn to find spiritual peace, guidance, and closeness to Allah. It helps them align with the universe's natural order, where all of creation praises Allah:
"The seven heavens and the earth and all that is in them glorify Him. There is nothing that does not exalt Allah by His praise, but you do not comprehend their way of glorifying." (Quran 17:44)

5. Allah’s Infinite Ability to Replace
Even if all of humanity and jinn were to reject faith, it would not lessen Allah's greatness. He has the power to replace them with others who will worship Him:
"If He wishes, He can eliminate you, O people, and bring forth others in your place. And Allah is capable of all things." (Quran 4:133)

6. Allah’s Mercy and Patience
Despite the disobedience of humans and jinn, Allah continues to offer His mercy and sustenance, providing them with chances to repent:
"And your Lord is the Forgiving, Full of Mercy. If He were to hold them accountable for their actions, He would have hastened their punishment." (Quran 18:58)

When humans and jinn decide not to worship Allah, they only bring harm upon themselves. Allah’s majesty remains intact, and His divine plan proceeds without interruption. Worship is a blessing and a chance for the created to connect with their Creator, grow spiritually, and achieve everlasting success.

Ohyoudidnt:

To analyze the apparent contradiction in Russia’s support for United Nations Security Council (UNSC) sanctions against North Korea while maintaining a friendly relationship with Kim Jong-un, we must consider several factors: geopolitical interests, historical context, and the dynamics of international relations.
While Russia keeps diplomatic ties with North Korea, it has also been working to strengthen its relationships with South Korea and other nations in East Asia.
Economic sanctions can greatly impact trade relationships. By occasionally supporting sanctions, Russia may be trying to use its influence to negotiate better terms or concessions from both North Korea and other involved countries.

Although there seems to be a contradiction between backing UNSC sanctions against North Korea and fostering friendly relations with Kim Jong-un, these actions can be understood within the larger framework of geopolitical strategy and diplomatic engagement.

Allah's allies may experience fluctuations in belief being human and as a result of their reactions to travails and tests but ultimately they return back and Allah is most forgiveness and merciful.

Ohyoudidnt:

Allah calls Ibrahim (Abraham) Khalilulah not the other way round.

The preference can only be by piety which even the 'pious' struggles (does jihad) to attain, maintain and improve.

Ohyoudidnt:


Not fully.

TenQ:

My spirit was NOT in existence before I was conceived.

In fact, by Body, Soul and Spirit ALL came into being when I was conceived and not earlier.

Does Islam teach you that you exist before your creation?

Ohyoudidnt:


Let's leave this study to you.

TenQ:

1. At least you know that I am speaking in terms of Khalil and not Awliyah
2. Even you acknowledged that Awliyah and Khalil are NOT synonymous
3. According to you not even Mohammed is the Khalil of Allah, Mohammed is just an Awliyah of Allah while only Abraham is the Khalil of Allah

TenQ:

Now, we are back to square ONE you initially avoided:
a. Allah chose to call Ibrahim Khalil as the way he relates to him
b. No human being by choice can call himself Khalilullah by his own will

Same with sonship of God YHWH
a. God YHWH chooses to call whomever He will His Child/Son as a way He relates to him
b. No human being by choice can call himself Son of God by his own will

Of course this relationship is not physical but relational and spiritual
Is the friendship of Allah with Ibrahim physical or spiritual?

While believers can develop a close relationship with Allah, the title of Khalilullah signifies a distinct and unmatched connection. Prophets such as Ibrahim a.s and Muhammad s a.w were honored with this title because of their extraordinary devotion and the challenges they faced. Nevertheless, all believers are urged to seek Allah’s love and friendship.

Israelites recognised people and deemed them fit to be called sons of God by their ays. This was/is purely symbolic

The relationship between Allah and Ibrahim was both physical and spiritual as seen in his worship and physical favours.

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I didnt fabricate your hadith, I only Quoted the hadiths from your scholars: its your problem not mine.
BTW: many Islamic scholars will argue with you that Mohammed is also the Khalil of Allah
https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2011/04/21/allah-is-khalil-prophet/ see the hafith as Sahih

You have actually helped my case in that you have concurred that only Allah can call any human Khalil but every muslim can strive to be Awliyah to Allah.

The Quran was revealed long after Abraham. Which book was given to Abraham?

You shared two hadith and despite seeing mawdu with one you figured it useful to your argument and presented it yet you blame me?

[quote author=TenQ post=132948455]
1. Who made Ibrahim the Friend of Allah? Does God NEED a friend? Is this a kind of dependency?
2. Do you think any human being is qualified to make himself a friend of Allah?
3. Does Allah have the right and power to make anyone of his obedient creatures his friend?

TenQ:

The purpose of Allah is summarised in the hadith below

Riyad as-Salihin 423
Abu Ayyub Khalid bin Zaid (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Were you not to commit sins, Allah would create people who would commit sins and ask for forgiveness and He would forgive them".


This is the need of Allah!

TenQ:

The point is that Awliyah and Khalil are NOT synonymous.
It is possible that I am you Awliyah but NOT your Khalil

This distinction is sufficient as this is not a political debate.


At least you have concurred that not even Mohammed with all his piety and religion is the Khalil of Allah. The best Mohammed is, is as an Awliyah of Allah.

Does it diminish Allah to choose Abraham (a sinner) as a friend?
Does it connote a dependency of Allah to choose Abraham (a sinner) as a friend?

Logic deludes you Muslims to note that just as Allah chose Abraham as a friend, he could have said: Abraham is my son
It is the same logic except that Muslims do not think neither do they choose the truth

TenQ:


Does Islam teach you that you exist before your creation?

Ohyoudidnt:


Do your study please.

Ohyoudidnt:


1. You are confusing yourself. Did Abraham became Khalil without being a Wali?

2. Are you sure? One is a higher level like Field marshal in the army and the other maybe a general?

3. You are confused I think. The Quran doesn't refer to prophet Muhammad pbuh as Khalil buy an authentic Sahih Muslim does.

Ohyoudidnt:

Ibrahim exhibited obedient dedication , sincerity and steadfastness.
We all have free will and can strive to the highest state. Indeed we are encouraged to compete in acts of worship and piety.

Ohyoudidnt:

The Quran was revealed long after Abraham. Which book was given to Abraham?

You shared two hadith and despite seeing mawdu with one you figured it useful to your argument and presented it yet you blame me?

Ohyoudidnt:

No this does not suggest that Allah requires His creation. Instead, it showcases Allah's attributes of mercy and forgiveness, as well as His intention to express those qualities for the welfare of His creation.

Ohyoudidnt:

The terms Khalil (intimate friend) and Wali (protector, ally, or close friend) both refer to close relationships, yet they have unique meanings and nuances in Islamic theology.

Khalil signifies a deep, unparalleled friendship, reserved for a select few individuals, such as Ibrahim a.s and Muhammad pbuh. In contrast, Wali is a broader term that includes anyone who attains piety and devotion, making it accessible to all believers.

Sadly you could not end without inserting insult as you like. I am not in any competition with you for any reason so what is the need to address me with your closing paragraph?

TenQ:

I asked you simple questions with respect to Qur'an 5:18 and the sensibility of its conclusion: I am still waiting till tomorrow for your response.

The simple test of comprehension I gave you on Psalms 137:9, I still await your response since forever.

The problem is that islam has no answer to its conjectures