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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:58pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:
2) I'm completely neutral on abortion. The fact is that Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger as an organization to wipe out Black Americans. It's right there on the Planned Parenthood website.

You are going to continue repeating this lie regardless what anyone says, and you wouldn't take responsibility for your very narrow maga sort of misunderstanding.

The article you referenced states how her own mother suffered from excessive child birth, but I'm sure that's because she was black too, right?

Fact is, uneducated black and white Americans were more likely not to use birth control (which was scarcely available at the time), and have more children whom they couldn't feed or educate, and which perpetuated poverty, but I guess that's far too complex for you to consider.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

Please stop gaslighting that you are neutral on what you are not neutral on!

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:09pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:
The Federal Ministry of Education in Nigeria should also be abolished.

The States or even counties should handle education. Government funded education in general but especially at the national level, has done more harm than good.

The Federal Ministry of Education should be abolished in Nigeria, a country where some states and county equivalents would like to impose boko haram?

I guess I'm beginning to fully understand your "God bless Nigeria". What you really mean is "Nigerians, sit on your lazy ignorant asses and wait for God to bless you instead of you exercising the sweat of your own brows to bless yourselves".

Thankfully, the majority of Nigerians are not that dumb, and know that leaving education to states would only increase alimanjeris.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 8:16pm On Dec 13, 2024
IMAliyu2:


The reason Sweden doesn't need a minimum wage, and has a higher income, is the density of Union memberships, which is at 69%, compared to the USA that's only at 10%. Meaning majority of workers are part of a union there.

This has the effect of having a stronger collective bargaining power by workers, to the extent that even the minority of non unionized workers benefit from it.

You can see something to a similar effect in the USA if you compare the income of Unionized workers, to non unionized workers.

That's a good point but not there's an even more basic thing in play. Sweden wages higher than USA? Hmmm. Maybe, I'll look and see.

Sweden is what it is because it's homogeneous and the effectiveness of their Labour unions results from that. If unions are so widespread in Sweden how come they don't fight tooth and nail to reduce the heavy taxation of wages?

In the USA where labour unions represent fewer people, wages are taxed comparatively less. In fact workers at the lower end, say the bottom 20% pay zero taxes in the USA and in fact get a rebate.

Labour Unions in diverse nations tend to be notoriously ineffective. Any reading of the history of USA labour unions can confirm this. Latest union strike in USA was by the ILO....

https://www.google.com/search?q=longshoreman+union+leader+belongs+to+organized+crime+family&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=longshoreman+union+leader+belongs+to+organized+crime+family&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRirAjIHCAYQIRirAtIBCTE3MjEzajBqNKgCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


Ditto for Nigeria. The labour unions are COMPLETELY CORRUPT, they're actually controlled by Organized Crime and used for extortion.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mafia+and+labor+unions+in+usa&sca_esv=8f1ce1ec8e583385&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&biw=1280&bih=613&sxsrf=ADLYWII83HU4xSewd41vwxCl_10Thkoutw%3A1734117137030&ei=EYdcZ6LLAbPcwN4P0trfmAQ&ved=0ahUKEwjil87fuaWKAxUzLtAFHVLtF0M4ChDh1QMIEA&uact=5&oq=mafia+and+labor+unions+in+usa&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiHW1hZmlhIGFuZCBsYWJvciB1bmlvbnMgaW4gdXNhMggQIRigARjDBEi3TlDdH1iBSHAFeAGQAQGYAaMEoAHZF6oBDDEuMTUuMC4xLjAuMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCE6AClw7CAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgIEECEYCsICChAhGKABGMMEGAqYAwCIBgGQBgiSBwQ2LjEzoAfxOQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

That's the usual outcomes of labour unions in a diverse nation. Similar to transport, academic and other unions in Nigeria.

Liberals loooove Sweden but don't want to do the things that have made Sweden a high HDI nation.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Ibime(m): 8:27pm On Dec 13, 2024
LordAdam16:
Haters mocked him for "wasting" $40B on Twitter.

Today, he is worth $420B.

-Lord

raumdeuter:


This is what taking risk feels like and good ol capitalism.

Next thing the people who thought paying 44bn was foolish will tell Elon that his CEO salary is too much

False and uneducated narrative especially from Lord who knows better than this childish chest beating

He is worth $420bln because he raised $1.5bln for a small portion of Space X which gives Space X a valuation of $350 bln..

Not related to Twitter in any way

At the moment he paid $44 bln for Twitter, he could have got it for $22bln just few months later. All tech companies halved in value over the following 6 months.

Twitter is not profitable and nowhere near worth $44bln, that's why he tried to pull out of the deal after his head cleared from the impulse buy, but the courts forced him to go through with his pledge.

Elon is actually a pump and dump merchant who has never turned profit on any of his ventures except a small profit in Tesla in the last 2 years. His success comes from pumping up share price with narrative and his friend Cathy Wood pumping volume via Ark, not from delivering company performance

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:29pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:
As you've said repeatedly, Black Africans are natural socialists grin

You clearly have a very narrow understanding of socialism. Should I blame the Federal university you went to, or the fact you perhaps didn't pay attention like your more successful colleagues did?

Some people say it takes a village to raise a child, implying the pulling together of resources. We Yorubas say, agbajo ọwọ ni gbe ẹrù de ori. But go read up on Kibbutzim. It might help you understand why the Nazis were jealous of the Jews.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 8:37pm On Dec 13, 2024
budaatum:


You are going to continue repeating this lie regardless what anyone says, and you wouldn't take responsibility for your very narrow maga sort of misunderstanding.

The article you referenced states how her own mother suffered from excessive child birth, but I'm sure that's because she was black too, right?

Fact is, uneducated black and white Americans were more likely not to use birth control (which was scarcely available at the time), and have more children whom they couldn't feed or educate, and which perpetuated poverty, but I guess that's far too complex for you to consider.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

Please stop gaslighting that you are neutral on what you are not neutral on!

That’s why I don’t argue with men about abortion.
Sorry to the supportive guys out there but even when some guys mean well or are neutral like Ibe claims he is, you can’t get them to make the necessary connections on why it’s critical to women’s health and future.

He’s providing stats to show that planned parenthood gave more abortions to black women as if to say it’s a national conspiracy. These women weren’t forced.

I’m sure he knows that;
1) a lot of low income communities use planned parenthood for general gynecological care including preventative care.
2) majority of black women grew up in low income communities hence it makes sense if they’re the ones being served more by this organization. Doesn’t mean other race of women in other communities aren’t getting abortions in their communities.

I’m sure if he tried just a little, he would be able to make the connection between access to planned parenthood and the rising number of black women who’ve been able to get out of the hood by completing high school and graduating college without unplanned pregnancies holding them back.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 8:42pm On Dec 13, 2024
Ibime:




False and uneducated narrative especially from.Lord who knows better than this childish chest beating

He is worth $420bln because he raised $1.5bln for a small portion of Space X which gives Space X a valuation of $350 bln..

Not related to Twitter in any way

At the moment he paid $44 bln for Twitter, he could have got it for $22bln.l just few months later. All tech companies halved in value over the following 6 months.

Twitter is not profitable and nowhere near worth $44bln, that's why he tried to pull out of the deal after his head cleared from the impulse buy, but the courts forced him to go through with his pledge.

Elon is actually a pump and dump merchant who has never turned profit on any of his ventures except a small profit in Tesla in the last 2 years. His success comes from pumping up share price with narrative, not from delivering company performance

You hate this man sha

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 8:43pm On Dec 13, 2024
budaatum:


You are going to continue repeating this lie regardless what anyone says, and you wouldn't take responsibility for your very narrow maga sort of misunderstanding.

The article you referenced states how her own mother suffered from excessive child birth, but I'm sure that's because she was black too, right?

Fact is, uneducated black and white Americans were more likely not to use birth control (which was scarcely available at the time), and have more children whom they couldn't feed or educate, and which perpetuated poverty, but I guess that's far too complex for you to consider.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

Please stop gaslighting that you are neutral on what you are not neutral on!

NPR? Of course that cesspit will whitewash for Planned Parenthood. The NPR whose CEO has explicitly said that TRUTH doesn't matter? That truth is a distraction? sad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2LTTy1p4k8?si=LkOW77CpyXhj8PWU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPYXrhOXkwU?si=-r8eBaR6PAyP5Mf_

Direct from their own website, this is Planned Parenthoods delicate take on the unsavory aspects of their founder's philosophy :

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploads/filer_public/b5/d4/b5d47c32-89f2-45d9-b28c-243cb85f3f55/sanger_fact_sheet_oct_2016.pdf
grin grin grin

While she was a woman of heroic accomplishments, Margaret Sanger had some beliefs, practices, and associations that we acknowledge, denounce, and work to rectify today. Her life story provides a portrait that is bold, fascinating, formidable, human, complicated, and flawed.

Why the discomfort with her legacy? Anyone can search the internet and find out. Planned Parenthood know Margaret Sanger was a well known eugenicist or whatever that believed that Negroes should be wiped out and advocated abortion as a means to promote that genocide. It's beyond any debate, it's fact....except for those who believe that TRUTH IS A DISTRACTION.

cococandy:


That’s why I don’t argue with men about abortion.
Sorry to the supportive guys out there but even when some guys mean well or are neutral like Ibe claims he is, you can’t get them to make the necessary connections on why it’s critical to women’s health and future.

He’s providing stats to show that planned parenthood gave more abortions to black women as if to say it’s a national conspiracy. These women weren’t forced.

I’m sure he knows that;
1) a lot of low income communities use planned parenthood for general gynecological care including preventative care.
2) majority of black women grew up in low income communities hence it makes sense if they’re the ones being served more by this organization. Doesn’t mean other race of women in other communities aren’t getting abortions in their communities.

I’m sure if he tried just a little, he would be able to make the connection between access to planned parenthood and the rising number of black women who’ve been able to get out of the hood by completing high school and graduating college without unplanned pregnancies holding them back.

Planned Parenthood was founded explicity as an organization to promote the genocide of Negroes using abortion. There's no controversy.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:47pm On Dec 13, 2024
cococandy:
He’s providing stats to show that planned parenthood gave more abortions to black women as if to say it’s a national conspiracy.

He actually isn't providing any such stats, but is providing his own warped understanding of the motives of Sanger to gaslight his own bias.

Refs:
https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2008/08/abortion-and-women-color-bigger-picture

https://www.liveaction.org/news/planned-parenthood-statistics-black-community-services/

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Ibime(m): 8:49pm On Dec 13, 2024
bemeruca:


You hate this man sha

He is a con artist and a great salesman always promising stuff to draw in capital. He would still float Twitter later for $100bln without turning it profitable. His game is simply drawing in capital from the market. Same reason profit/loss on all his ventures (Twitter, Space X) are tightly held secret cos he sells dreams not profitability.

I have said it since he was a liberal. Check the records.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 8:50pm On Dec 13, 2024
budaatum:


The Federal Ministry of Education should be abolished in Nigeria, a country where some states and county equivalents would like to impose boko haram?

I guess I'm beginning to fully understand your "God bless Nigeria". What you really mean is "Nigerians, sit on your lazy ignorant asses and wait for God to bless you instead of you exercising the sweat of your own brows to bless yourselves".

Thankfully, the majority of Nigerians are not that dumb, and know that leaving education to states would only increase alimanjeris.

The people in the North have a right to pursue Boko Haram or whatever ideology they wish. It's not for Igbo or Yoruba people to dictate to them how to live their lives. How is it the business of other tribes or regions whether Northerners choose to embrace education?

budaatum:


You clearly have a very narrow understanding of socialism. Should I blame the Federal university you went to, or the fact you perhaps didn't pay attention like your more successful colleagues did?

Some people say it takes a village to raise a child, implying the pulling together of resources. We Yorubas say, agbajo ọwọ ni gbe ẹrù de ori. But go read up on Kibbutzim. It might help you understand why the Nazis were jealous of the Jews.

Could you please stop personalizing the discussion? It's irritating. It's doesn't encourage a good faith discussion.

Thanks.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 8:56pm On Dec 13, 2024
raumdeuter:


Better management of resources. The FG schools probably got more but the private schools were better managed.

I agree. Government owned schools are ALWAYS badly managed.

Government owned ANYTHING is always badly managed. In every country, every industry and sector. It's a fact of life and it's ALWAYS worse in diverse countries.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 9:00pm On Dec 13, 2024
Ibime:


He is a con artist and a great salesman always promising stuff to draw in capital. He would still float Twitter later for $100bln without turning it profitable. His game is simply drawing in capital from the market

I have said it since he was a liberal. Check the records.


Because you said so. Tesla selling at an all time high. Con man promise shareholders, shareholders are laughing all the way to the bank

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:00pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:

Anyone can search the internet and find out. Planned Parenthood know Margaret Sanger was a well known eugenicist or whatever that believed that Negroes should be wiped out and advocated abortion as a means to promote that genocide.

The fact Carson is quoted everywhere does not prove your point. He after all is far less credible than NPR.

The facts do not show that more black people per 1000 had abortions at planned parenthood than whites, and what she said was to try to promote abortions amongst blacks, who were having more children than they could feed.

https://time.com/4081760/margaret-sanger-history-eugenics/

Its obvious more whites in general would have aborted than blacks just by the mere fact there are more whites than blacks, so I do wonder why you don't accuse Margaret Sanger of trying to exterminate and wipe out the white race.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:00pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:



Planned Parenthood was founded explicity as an organization to promote the genocide of Negroes using abortion. There's no controversy.


Now you care about injustice to black communities? 🤣

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 9:04pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:


I agree. Government owned schools are ALWAYS badly managed.

Government owned ANYTHING is always badly managed. In every country, every industry and sector. It's a fact of life and it's ALWAYS worse in diverse countries.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Because of the mentality of anything govt belongs to Nobody, anything Ibeokehie belongs to Ibeokehie
Govt money is often seen as a gift and endless you can spend anyhow unlike money that belongs to me personally.
I wont get to work and see staff wasting my money and being inefficient.
Go to Social security office, drivers license office etc and compare the attitude of the workers there to the attitude of workers in Bank of America or Chase Bank

In Nigeria, lecturers can go on strike indefinitely, but the same lecturers when working in private Uni wont go on strike. In Nigeria private uni, you know the day you will graduate from the day you get in

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 9:05pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:



https://www.google.com/search?q=longshoreman+union+leader+belongs+to+organized+crime+family&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=longshoreman+union+leader+belongs+to+organized+crime+family&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRirAjIHCAYQIRirAtIBCTE3MjEzajBqNKgCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


Ditto for Nigeria. The labour unions are COMPLETELY CORRUPT, they're actually controlled by Organized Crime and used for extortion.


Good Luck to Nigeria.

you just keep capping nonsense you pull out of your arse

it is better you limit your comments on nigeria to good luck to nigeria - because you know absolutely nothing about what actually goes on in nigeria

labour unions in nigeria are completely corrupt and controlled by organized crime

have you even worked in nigeria or do you know anyone that has?

there are not even that many industries that are properly unionized because nigerias elite class has worked out the contract staff game

in a company like globacom - literally no workers are actually employees - but most employees of third parties who then contract them to glo

i consider rich dad poor dad a shit book - but he said his rich dad told him something - if you want to be an employer of labour - don't let your workers unionise - and if you want to be a professional - ensure you are working in a union

my ceo before before was mercurial and as one of my bosses put it - childish. he would get into an argument with a manger and the next thing he would call security to escort the manager out of the office. management is not unionised. but he said it himself - the hardest thing to do in this company is sack a unionised employee.

i have seen and experienced multiple instances of staff opposition to malicious corruption thwarted by union protection - and i have seen contract staff sacked because they got in the way of crooked ogas and did not have union protection.

the funniest story - a ceo with a meteoric rise through the ranks but was always a contract employee. the guy tried to outlaw union telling us it was crap. anyway the company got new owners and after a very very very big mess, they sacked the guy. the new board then ran his game on him and used the rates used for contract staff to calculate his severance. this guy got maybe 10 to 15m. meanwhile his direct report the coo, who had been a proper full time employee of the company got 80m+ as severance. it was real karma.

i also remember once how the ogas incurred a massive loss, called everyone in for a meeting , lied to everyone's face that no one would be sacked. well the people who were in unionized parts of the company could not be sacked. those who weren't were sacked.

a union is like good health - you take it for granted until you actually need it.

and the same ceos who will be fighting tooth and nail to stagnate staff salary will be casually looting the company

and of course - enforcing discretionary bonus - where your attache to oga is much more important that the work you put in

that time when the same ceo gave this hot contract employee he was knacking a 5m discretionary bonus - damn i may have said too much

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 9:09pm On Dec 13, 2024
budaatum:


You are going to continue repeating this lie regardless what anyone says, and you wouldn't take responsibility for your very narrow maga sort of misunderstanding.

The article you referenced states how her own mother suffered from excessive child birth, but I'm sure that's because she was black too, right?

Fact is, uneducated black and white Americans were more likely not to use birth control (which was scarcely available at the time), and have more children whom they couldn't feed or educate, and which perpetuated poverty, but I guess that's far too complex for you to consider.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

Please stop gaslighting that you are neutral on what you are not neutral on!

https://tfpstudentaction.org/blog/margaret-sanger-quotes

Sample of the 21 cringe Worthy quotes.

Margaret Sanger Quotes
1. "But for my view, I believe that there should be no more babies."
-- Interview with John Parsons, 1947

2. "The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
-- Woman and the New Race, Chapter 5, "The Wickedness of Creating Large Families." (1920) http://www.bartleby.com/1013/

3. "We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
-- Letter to Dr. Clarence J. Gamble, December 10, 1939, p. 2
https://libex.smith.edu/omeka/...

4. “I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan... I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.”
-- Margaret Sanger, An Autobiography, published in 1938, p. 366

5. “I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world, that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically... Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they’re born. That to me is the greatest sin—that people can—can commit.”
-- Interview with journalist Mike Wallace, 1957

6. “The most serious evil of our times is that of encouraging the bringing into the world of large families. The most immoral practice of the day is breeding too many children..."
-- Sanger, Margaret. Woman and the New Race (1920). Chapter 5: The Wickedness of Creating Large Families. http://www.bartleby.com/1013/5...

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 9:10pm On Dec 13, 2024
GloriousGbola:


you just keep capping nonsense you pull out of your arse


Why the abuse biko? What's the matter? I've not insulted or berated you. I simply posted my views.

I don't think I've even referred to your person in all I've written.

cococandy:


Now you care about injustice to black communities? 🤣

Why are you doing this?

OK, please, for all that is good, ignore my comments. I'll converse with those who want to exchange views in a respectful tone.

General question - is there a way to put certain members on IGNORE? I'm really regretting engaging some people on here.

Good Luck to Nigerians

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:14pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:
Could you please stop personalizing the discussion? It's irritating. It's doesn't encourage a good faith discussion.

Thanks.

Your view and opinion is unfortunately personal. Even when you present evidence, your understanding of said evidence is personal to you and can't be avoided, unfortunately. And the only reason I actually choose to respond to you more than most is to point out your personal bias in hope you'd notice and be corrected.

Why would you claim federal government funded education is bad and creates ill educated individuals, and then claim you went to a federal funded university, but expect one not to think what your federal funded education might have done to you?

Can you not see the obvious connections that could be made especially when you present your bias and claim to be neutral?

If you want a good faith discussion, perhaps start by monitoring your biases better instead of hoping they are not obvious and glaring.

This is not a thread for gaslighting.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:16pm On Dec 13, 2024
basilico:


https://tfpstudentaction.org/blog/margaret-sanger-quotes

Sample of the 21 cringe Worthy quotes.

You must have intentionally left out the quotes of hers that show she wanted to exterminate black babies.

Go on, try again. I know you can do better.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 9:18pm On Dec 13, 2024
A federal appeals court has trashed the rules imposed by the Securities and Exchange Commission that required companies to have quotas from various population groups.

The decision found the SEC had no authority to impose its demands.


SEC demanding companies have population quotas in their boards. That's quite an overreach.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:18pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:
OK please refrain from addressing me. My views should be of no interest to you.
Nairaland does not work that way. If you don't want your views to be of interest, you can try keeping them to yourself.

IbeOkehie:
The people in the North have a right to pursue Boko Haram or whatever ideology they wish. It's not for Igbo or Yoruba people to dictate to them how to live their lives. How is it the business of other tribes or regions whether Northerners choose to embrace education?
Thankfully, Nigeria and its federal government do not agree that the "North have a right to pursue Boko Haram or whatever ideology they wish", and make it the "business of other tribes or regions whether Northerners choose to embrace education".

Ti ara ile ẹni ba n jẹ kokoro ti ko sunwon ti a ko ba so fun; howuhowu re ko nii je ka sun l'oru. "If someone in your household is eating harmful food and you don't tell them, their cry at night will keep stop you being able to sleep at night".

If we don't make their education our business, they'd create no jobs in their region and start killing themselves due to hunger, and then migrate down to where you live and start killing you because they have not been educated to do the work that needs doing. Or what did you think the constant wailing about Fulani was all about?

You don't just concern yourself because of them, but because of what they'd end up doing to you if you don't.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 9:19pm On Dec 13, 2024
budaatum:


Your view and opinion is unfortunately personal. Even when you present evidence, your understanding of said evidence is personal to you and can't be avoided, unfortunately. And the only reason I actually choose to respond to you more than most is to point out your personal bias in hope you'd notice and be corrected.

Why would you claim federal government funded education is bad and creates ill educated individuals, and then claim you went to a federal funded university, but expect one not to think what your federal funded education might have done to you?

Can you not see the obvious connections that could be made especially when you present your bias and claim to be neutral?

If you want a good faith discussion, perhaps start by monitoring your biases better instead of hoping they are not obvious and glaring.

This is not a thread for gaslighting.

OK please refrain from addressing me. My views should be of no interest to you.

Thanks.

Good Luck to Nigerians
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 9:21pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:


Why the abuse biko? What's the matter? I've not insulted or berated you. I simply posted my views.

I don't think I've even referred to your person in all I've written.

Why are you doing this?

Good Luck to Nigerians

i apologize - but you are coming across as a completely out of touch person loudly trumpeting things you know absolutely nothing about.

you boldly and confidently stated that all graduates of federal nigerian universities bribed or slept their way to their degrees and are completely incompetent. that is actually an insult to a large number of posters here who are graduates of nigerian institutions


now you are saying that nigerian labour unions are corrupt and have ties with organized crime.

both statements are objectively false -

at the very least your friends raumdeuter and gerrard both passed through nigerian universities . gerrard regularly makes posts about successful nigerian graduates

there are multiple nigerians working in industries with unions who will tell you the unions keep things in order

the fact that you are staunchly trying to make nuanced issues into black and white implies that you apply the same rigid and stilted thinking to other matters you are commenting on. unless you think that it is only conservative nigerians who passed through nigerian universities without cheating

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 9:24pm On Dec 13, 2024
budaatum:


You must have intentionally left out the quotes of hers that show she wanted to exterminate black babies.

Go on, try again. I know you can do better.

I don't know about her, only that she supported baby murder.
Abortions performed by Planned Parenthood are the fourth-leading cause of death in America, the organization’s 2022-23 annual report revealed this week
... 97% of women who walked into their clinics secured abortions

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 9:29pm On Dec 13, 2024
basilico:


4. “I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan... I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.”
-- Margaret Sanger, An Autobiography, published in 1938, p. 366


The Sanger legacy has been thoroughly whitewashed, pun intended.

Reminds me of liberals crying about the mass incarceration of Black men in the USA....and then repeatedly voting for Joe Biden who WROTE the 1994 Crime Bill that CAUSED the mass incarceration.

grin

Good Luck to Nigerians

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:38pm On Dec 13, 2024
basilico:


I don't know about her, only that she supported baby murder.

She supported abortions, obviously. IbeOkehie is however trying to make it sound like she was promoting the extermination of blacks, which is very not true.

Her speech to the kkk was to promote abortion to those in attendance, and I very much doubt there were blacks there, though considering they might have all been covered in white blankets, that might be debatable by some.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:40pm On Dec 13, 2024
GloriousGbola:
the fact that you are staunchly trying to make nuanced issues into black and white implies that you apply the same rigid and stilted thinking to other matters you are commenting on.

And this, IbeOkehie, is hard to ignore.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by grandstar(m): 9:41pm On Dec 13, 2024
cococandy:
Imagine admitting that you voted for someone knowing they lied about their policies or at best didn’t really mean what they said.

Is he a man of his words or is he not?

IT IS COMMON SENSE to know that if someone promises contradictory things to multiple groups of people, he’s either an idiot or he thinks you’re idiots.

Now you’re okay with more expensive groceries?
Didn’t Americans “voTe fOr the ecOnomY”?🙄

You know it’s not us you’re trying to convince. You’re trying to convince yourself and it’s funny to watch.

You still have a few more years of goal shifting and justifying to do.

Next week (or maybe tomorrow) you’ll be here again to defend Trump on another reneged promise or astonishing lie. He told over 30 thousand lies in his first administration. Y’all got your work cut out for you grin it won’t be an easy four years .


PS: Planned parenthood in addition to abortions provides millions of birth control, sex education, STI screening and cancer screening each year. But I know you don’t care about facts. So don’t even bother.



Americans don't know that they've thrown themselves under the bus.

Lee Yuan Kew liken the policies of Mao's regime, "as an excess of hubris and theology." Those exact words are what best describes Trump and his policies.

Take his deportation policies.

He want to deport 15-20m "illegals" whether they contribute to the economy or not. About 9m are already working, many doing the jobs Americans snub like picking fruits, or cleaning. Economist have already said the deportations would lead to severe labor shortages.

The logistics of attaining such a humongous number is monstrous. As if that wasn't enough, he wants to de-naturalize many who already have citizens.

Take a look at his trade policies which rests on tariffs. The UK's economy today is in trouble today because it turned its back on free trade with the European Union where there are zero tariffs between member states.

The pain afflicted on Britain's economy due to its exit from the EU is only a fraction of would be inflicted if Donald Trump is enacts his plan to place 65% import duty on Chinese goods, and 25% on Canada, its 51st state, and Mexico.

He said Americans won't pay for the tariffs, that it is the exporter. Not only is this completely and totally idiotic, it shows that majority of Americans are economic illiterate.

These tariffs will boost inflation, and what would the Fed do when inflation increases? It increases interest rates high enough to kill inflation. This will increase the cost of servicing personal, corporate, mortgage and public debt and might tilt the economy into a recession.

Economists have predicted that the US economy might fall by up to 8% if Trump decides to go through fully with the deportations and the tariffs in his first year.

I have lost all confidence in the world economy. Trumps policies will not only take America down, but the world's.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:46pm On Dec 13, 2024
IbeOkehie:


Why are you doing this?

OK, please, for all that is good, ignore my comments. I'll converse with those who want to exchange views in a respectful tone.

General question - is there a way to put certain members on IGNORE? I'm really regretting engaging some people on here.

Good Luck to Nigerians

You have to be joking.

You have routinely over multiple posts implied and outrightly stated that people who talk about inequality, systemic racism and injustices are playing the victims. You’ve said that those things should not be taken into consideration when accounting for class mobility.

Now you turned around to use the “it’s an organization against black people” line in your argument. Do you not see how contradictory that is? Why should anyone believe that you care about something that was “formed against black people” when you don’t even believe such things are of any significance to the race. You’ve made it seem like the fate of black people in America has been entirely up to them and not a result of whatever might have happened to them in the past. You don’t get to turn around and want to use that in your argument.

Look man I haven’t spoken out of turn to you.
You want to stop engaging because you don’t like when something you said is presented to you the way you said it, that’s fine. But don’t say it’s my tone or whatever excuse you want to use. I am innocent.

Thanks for the discourse so far. Take care.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:50pm On Dec 13, 2024
We told them this before they voted.
They said that’s what they wanted.

It’ll be worth it if they can say the libs lost. I guess 🤷🏽‍♀️
grandstar:


Americans don't know that they've thrown themselves under the bus.

Lee Yuan Kew liken the policies of Mao's regime, "as an excess of hubris and theology." Those exact words are what best describes Trump and his policies.

Take his deportation policies.

He want to deport 15-20m "illegals" whether they contribute to the economy or not. About 9m are already working, many doing the jobs Americans snub like picking fruits, or cleaning. Economist have already said the deportations would lead to severe labor shortages.

The logistics of attaining such a humongous number is monstrous. As if that wasn't enough, he wants to de-naturalize many who already have citizens.

Take a look at his trade policies which rests on tariffs. The UK's economy today is in trouble today because it turned its back on free trade with the European Union where there are zero tariffs between member states.

The pain afflicted on Britain's economy due to its exit from the EU is only a fraction of would be inflicted if Donald Trump is enacts his plan to place 65% import duty on Chinese goods, and 25% on Canada, its 51st state, and Mexico.

He said Americans won't pay for the tariffs, that it is the exporter. Not only is this completely and totally idiotic, it shows that majority of Americans are economic illiterate.

These tariffs will boost inflation, and what would the Fed do when inflation increases? It increases interest rates high enough to kill inflation. This will increase the cost of servicing personal, corporate, mortgage and public debt and might tilt the economy into a recession.

Economists have predicted that the US economy might fall by up to 8% if Trump decides to go through fully with the deportations and the tariffs in his first year.

I have lost all confidence in the world economy. Trumps policies will not only take America down, but the world's.

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