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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 11:38pm On Dec 09, 2013 |
If a manager does not have a plan B, then whose fault is it when he cannot get results against common Basel? JM's matter to answer. I am not defending anyone here. Your submission sounds so absurd considering that we have conceded 6 goals in two matches against Stoke and Sunderland. Seriously? You think conceding 3 points against Sunderland suggested an open game? Did you see the game? The 3 goals were from set pieces. You might want to refresh your memory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-2Eo7lxZ4 3 goals each against Sunderland and Stoke is an anomaly and has no bearing on the starting setup of the oppo. I cannot believe you think Stoke will attack Chelsea and Everton in the same spirit. Oddly enough, Everton have had more of the ball when they play. Their high possion stats suggest that the opposition are bunkering. Yet Lukaku is still scoring for fun High possession does not automatically suggest opposition bunkering. It could also mean that the opposition are very open. Or that the opposition are unwilling to press. Shots on goals/target are a more appropriate way to reveal bunkering. Everton v Stoke. 4-0. You are making my point for me. Stoke go out to attack Everton, hence the space and hence the number of goals. How do you think Stoke were bunkering yet Everton put 4 past them? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Katsumoto: 12:23am On Dec 10, 2013 |
coogar: I am not buying these excuses. Mourinho has a team most managers would kill for. If Mourinho can't manage that squad, then Everton would be in the relegation zone if he was managing them. Essien is no longer a starter and Cech is still one of the best keepers in the world. The defense is slightly worse than what he had in his previous era but which team has a better defense (in terms of ability) than Chelsea? The Everton isn't Martinez's team but he has them playing for him. The Bayern team isn't Guardiola's but they are playing well. What of Martino ar Barca? It appears that your point is that Mourinho can only win if he is managing a team of the best 22 players in the world. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:01am On Dec 10, 2013 |
Story, story, story. Once upon a time, timer! Chelsea has no central midfield and no strikeforce. Everything else being chatted on this thread is a bunch of bull. No manager can track runners for Mikel, pass and control ball for Ramires or score goals for Torres. Not AVB, not RDM, not RB and not JM. Yea though JM is outperforming the rest, the spine is weak and in need of surgery. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ritchboy(m): 7:56am On Dec 10, 2013 |
The ninjas saying JM 'clearly' has the best squad don't know what they're talking about. Just because you see Mata on the bench cos JM doesn't fancy him is no evidence of anything. You can't possibly have the best squad when all your strikers are pants. All City's strikers will stroll into Chelsea XI, even Guidetti will fancy his chances. You also can't have the best squad when your midfield is also pants. Yaya and co. will cartwheel into that Chelsea team, let's not even get started with Arsenal's. The much hyped AMs Mazacar/Willian/KDB/Schurlle aren't any better than City's/Arsenal's AMs/SSs so what are we talking about here? Even the defenders/goalie are mostly past their prime[Cashley/Cech/Terry] or were never that good to begin with [Luiz/Cahill]. As much as I'd like to label JM incompetent, i think he's doing OK with the players he has to work with. At least his team aren't ninth on the log ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nitlad: 8:19am On Dec 10, 2013 |
www.chelseafc.com/news-article/article/3569579?utm Nateevs might find the part on Lukaku interesting. . . ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 9:57am On Dec 10, 2013 |
ritchboy: The ninjas saying JM 'clearly' has the best squad don't know what they're talking about. Just because you see Mata on the bench cos JM doesn't fancy him is no evidence of anything. Folks like Dayokanu who trolls around Staten Island would love you to be on his side. Murder Jose when a player gives into individual error! That dude would probably blame Jose for everything. ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 10:15am On Dec 10, 2013 |
This aint zonal marking, is it? JM clearly structured his defense line to play high-line and absorb pressures against Sunderland. The troop moves into the battlefield and gives us this Halloween defending, and a pundit thinks JM is to be blamed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mygA0JAngg I wonder if long held Nazi views has a thing with not been objective ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lalaboi(m): 12:52pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
^^^ Na so we see am o., Gustavo will now come and show us irrelevant Gifs to prove no point just cos he wants to argue and post Gifs. Na by force to post Gifs? That being said. our defense has been pants since last season. . Did we strenghten despite several horror shows last season? The answer is NO. and how does Chelsea have the best squad in the league? People talking with their arseee here and its painful to read. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 2:05pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Katsumoto: excuses? you want to compare today's disillusioned petr cech to the beast chelsea had between 04 & 07? terry/carvalho axis were the best in the world, never mind europe & they were just difficult to beat. once mourinho's team scored there's no comeback for their opponents - they were that good & mourinho was given the funds to build a monster team.
where are everton on the table in comparison to chelsea? abeg - forget what guardiola is doing in the bundesliga. it's a shyte league. moyes' team put 9 goals past the 2nd best team in germany over 2 legs. spanish league is also the same. the only real threat barca have is madrid & perhaps athletico to a degree. all the other teams are pants. the premier league is different - we have seen over the years how world class managers have been disgraced out of this league. scolari & ancelotti(world class managers) ran for their dear lives. sven eriksson didn't know what hit him. benitez was nearly stabbed at the bridge. at any given point in time, there are 6 teams capable of winning the league unlike bundesliga & la liga so stop comparing guardiola's bundesliga to mourinho's premier league. they face different hostilities. can you beat your chest if guardiola is handling the same chelsea side, they would win the league?
that's not the point. the point is - it's too early to judge him. the league is now different. more teams have strengthened & they have closed the gap between them & the top sides. any big team can get clapped by mid-table team. jose is still in 4 competitions & 3rd on the table. he's where he should be as far as chelsea's squad quality is concerned. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:33pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
nateevs: They had 12 shots 3 on target, We had 19 with 5 on target. They had 6 corners, we had 5 Game ended 4-3 Sounds like a pretty open game to me
So let me get this straight. Stoke were playing defensive football when they put 3 goals past us, but were playing attacking football when they lost 4-0? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:35pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Coogar,Lala and Guapo say the manager is not to blame but the players.... I no get power argue abeg. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:00pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
ritchboy: The ninjas saying JM 'clearly' has the best squad don't know what they're talking about. Just because you see Mata on the bench cos JM doesn't fancy him is no evidence of anything. So after Emenalo spent £250m, this is what it boils down to. And some cats been giving Ibime stick for pointing out the obvious for the last 2 years. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:12pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
GustavoFring: Coogar,Lala and Guapo say the manager is not to blame but the players.... Mate dont read too many meaning into my comments. Under certain given circumstance, I'd blame the manager for a team's loss and JM aint an exception. The truth is, to a large degree defeat is associated with the leaders’ failure whiles victory is for all. That is the way of man and that is neither fair nor just. I'm in no way trying to assuage the coach from error or blame but the real life case is that no matter how good coaches do their job, their players are the ultimate determinants of how the game puns out. This is not exclusive to football but to all sports. Check this Scenarios OUT - Would your Dayokanu's led protestants mob blame the gaffer? When a player scores one own goal? Chalk it down to bad lack. Two own goals? Let’s take him to the guillotine. Jamie Carragher on 11 September 1999 managed this feat against rivals Manchester United. Jon Walters of Stoke city is also infamous for scoring two own goals, miss a penalty kick and volleyed the ball into his own face against Chelsea, they lost 4-0. Special mentions to Stan Van Den Buys, whiles playing for Germinal Ekeren against Anderlecht scored three own goals. His team went ahead to lose 4-2. Ever heard of Jonathan Woodgate? On his debut for Real Madrid he scored an own goal and later received a red card in the very match. He scored another own goal two matches after that. John Mensah. I won’t explain, I won’t tell you when it happened but you all understand it. Victor Valdes, which of his thousand examples do you want? Is it his attempt to dribble Di Maria? Or is it his billion other howlers? Maicon against Gareth Bale or was it Bale against Maicon. I have a feeling Ghallywood produced a movie titled: The death of Maicon’s career Part 1 and 2. The faithful afternoon in august 2011, Arsenal’s defense decided to suddenly treat spectators to a bout of football comedy. Who can forget the Manchester derby? The one where Rio shocked not only his manager but his manager’s chewing gum. Roberto Baggio’s name will forever be engraved in footballing lore. Not because of his glorious ponytail, but for that penalty kick which gave Brazil their fourth world cup. Do you know who the Italian coach was? Exactly, Baggio’s name was synonymous to their failure not the coach. It will be unfair of me to remind you of Asamoah Gyan when the country is basking in the air of democratic tolerance post-election verdict. Speak of certain circumstance, i would only blame the gaffer for a team's loss when he makes a horrendous team selection or goes with an inept tactical approach, if he does gets these rights and somehow things went wrong on the pitch, have a review on how the players fared. ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:17pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Not to drift out of the line but i think this article would help the TEAM KILL THE MANAGER http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/62692700/ |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 4:46pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
I asked was Avram Grant the one who help Terrys legs or Anelkas leg? How come he was the one to blame for the defeat in Moscow? AVB, RDM, Scolari Ancelotti that were sacked were they telling the players to miss chances or not score goals? Di Matteo was sacked soon after Torres and Ivanovic collected red cards in Old trafford and Hernandez scored an offside goal. So which of these was RdMs fault? A manager puts the players on the field and takes responsibilities for their action, The players didnt force themselves there. And any player not following the tactics laid out he can remove If you parents put your younger ones in your charge with the right to dicipline and correct you dont go ahead shifting the blame when things go wrong Thats lack of leadership there ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When Ronaldo does an impossible trick that wins the game, Was it Mourinho that taught him how to dribble? When Suarez was doing the impossible was it Rodgers who taught him how to do it? When Messi dribbles everyone and scores was it Pep that taught him? How come the coaches took the glory in these situations. Mourinho is reputed to be a top coach based on his achievements at his previous clubs, has he ever gone on the field once to play or did he teach Drogba, Deco, Milito, Ronaldo how to play football or how to score goals? So its either the coach takes all the glory and the blame or he takes none. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 6:01pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
GustavoFring: Sort of how Chelsea played defensive football against Barcelona over 2 legs and went on to the UCL final and then played attacking football against Sunderland and lost 3-0 at the Bridge. Yeah, that's it. You got it straight. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 6:13pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
dayokanu: I asked was Avram Grant the one who help Terrys legs or Anelkas leg? How come he was the one to blame for the defeat in Moscow? And who blamed Grant for the UCL 2008 miss? You gotta be trolling, aren't you? Most of those managers at some points deployed questionable strategies, it didnt work and they got the axe, Circa RDM against Juventus 2012. Reason i blared it out to you that i would blame the manager in some given circumstance whilst the players still remain at large the biggest culprits. dayokanu: Di Matteo was sacked soon after Torres and Ivanovic collected red cards in Old trafford and Hernandez scored an offside goal. So which of these was RdMs fault? There he goes again, Powwowing farce writings on HD! RDM axed after Clattenburg's show? You're better off with burnthisleaguedown punditry ![]() dayokanu: A manager puts the players on the field and takes responsibilities for their action, The players didnt force themselves there. And any player not following the tactics laid out he can remove What is truly myopic is to think that football is still in the times where every role is performed by the manager. ![]() ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dayokanu: When Ronaldo does an impossible trick that wins the game, Was it Mourinho that taught him how to dribble? When Suarez was doing the impossible was it Rodgers who taught him how to do it? When Messi dribbles everyone and scores was it Pep that taught him? A nice analogy is an army general who sends his men to war, in actuality a leader, any leader is only as good as his followers. If you move to concentrate on tactics developed by coaches as approaches to all matches in generality or specific matches then you can grasp the seeming disparity between the ideal situation and its execution. What we mostly see on our screens is the execution part. No matter how great a team’s tactics is if they execute poorly then defeat is ‘a hello away’. A coach brings to the fore what needs to be done to win; the players are responsible for the ‘what was actually done’. Not tracking run of opponents, ball watching, complacency, high turnover rate these are game upshots that are totally ascribed to the players. I earlier asked, would you blame a manager for an own goal scored by his player that eventually led to his team's loss? Would you blame Jose for Luiz's incessant bad positioning, Ivanovic's sluggish return runs, JT and co cheap mistakes and Essien's sublime Up through pass to Rodriguez against Southampton? ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 6:30pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
nateevs: I didn't know you were an Ikemba wuruwuru like this o. How can you compare a 2-2 draw to a 3-2 loss? How can you compare a game where Barca had 73% Possesion to one where we had 55? How can you compare a game where stoke had 9 shots and 5 corners to one where we had only 7 shots and 1 corner? Yeah the Stoke game was exactly like the Barca game... ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 6:37pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
So why was Avram grant sacked after the Moscow loss? When we all know he didnt cause Terry and Anelka to miss penalties RdM played strikerless vs Juve, Mourinho did the same vs Man Utd this season how come he hasnt been sacked. Was it the strikerless formartion that made them lose? On the day vs Juve Chelsea players still had enough chances to score and they didnt How come RdM wasnt exonerrated like we are doing for Mourinho now? Did Essien, Luiz etc get on the field on his own accord? Wasnt it the manager who put him on the field? So who takes responsibilities when you put dud players on the field? Other managers got sacked because of tactics, but Mourinho has never used a wrong tactic its always the players fault whenever he doesnt get result EVen with your army general tactics, when you lose a battle, the general is fired or withdrawn and replaced no one blames the soldiers who follow his tactics |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 6:53pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
GustavoFring: Splitting hairs. I made a response to your comments. . GustavoFring: to let you know that it is possible to play defensive football and score goals, yet play attacking football and lose heavily. 57%, 99%, shots, corner, . . . all that na maths. I cannot allow to the discussion to descend into which match was more defensive. If that is not doing it for you, Chelsea V Newcastle. Chelsea 61% percentage possession, Newcastle 39%. Yet they put 2 past us. According to your logic, the game must have been more like "open" since Newcastle had 15 shots and 8 on target. Even though all those who watched the game saw clearly that Newcastle played deep start to finish. Why are we even having this conversation? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 7:03pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
ritchboy: The ninjas saying JM 'clearly' has the best squad don't know what they're talking about. Just because you see Mata on the bench cos JM doesn't fancy him is no evidence of anything.Let's list their players man for man and see which would get into which squad? People were not chatting this megedefegede when the league started! Chelsea were clear favorites to win the league Using Man City as an example is laughable because Aguero,Yaya and Kompany are probably the only players that would make Chelsea's starting XI Arsenal? Please don't make me laugh. Prior to Ozil's signing and Ramsey's recent form which Arsenal fan could boast and compare their squad to Chelsea Chelsea has largely under-performed but anyone claiming that team is short of talent is doing too much ganja |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 8:10pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Wait oh is this not the same thread where niggas were boasting not too long ago about Chelsea having 5,6,7 or even 8 players that would walk into Bayern (The best team in Europe's squad) all of a sudden the team is not good enuff? We don't believe you you need more people |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 8:14pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
A-40: You dey mind them? Anything to exonerate the coach from wrongdoing Now its that the players are substandard the same players they claimed were better than bayern squad |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:48pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
A-40: lol. You got a point there sha. But that one no consine me. I've always maintained that Emenalo has done a very poor job of building a team. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 8:54pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Ibime:Maybe you could use a better ball playing CM but aside that that's about it! I'm quite at a loss as to how KDB has not gotten any playing time in that position he can do a quality job there! Frankly while I wouldn't trade any player at Chelsea for a Bayern player it smacks of greed to claim that squad is not complete! Chelsea's problems are down to tactics and players straight up under-performing I really can't take anyone that thinks the team isn't loaded seriously Who else una for buy? dayokanu:Lol convenient amnesia. Most of them were beating their chests like Silverbacks about how good the team was and now all off a sudden Mourinho is short-handed make dem miss me with that Bullshyte jare |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 9:38pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
All this one una dey yan na una own. All I know be say mourinho's second coming has not yieldewd the desired resulkts. Unlike the first time, I'm not as excited. Mourinho has found a cheap an somewhat irritating way of covering his inadequacies. Dude has either lost it or has been found out. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ritchboy(m): 12:01am On Dec 11, 2013 |
Let's list their players man for man and see which would get into which squad? The first thing you have to realize is performance(especially at this stage of the season) is not just about squad depth but more importantly how good your XI is(unless injuries hit hard). Liverpool are sitting pretty in second with little squad depth but a starting XI that can blow most teams in the league away. Having good players on your bench means nothing if they won't play. The Premier League aren't going to say "oh look, they have Willian and Mata on the bench, let's give them 3 points" Using Man City as an example is laughable because Aguero,Yaya and Kompany are probably the only players that would make Chelsea's starting XI What a joke. Any manager with half a brain would also pick Zabaleta, Fernandinho and David Silva in addition to those 3. That's six guaranteed starters already. Not to mention the ones dat will boil down to personal preference: Azpilicueta/Clichy/Cashley/Kolarov at LB, Nasri/Schurlle/Navas etc on the wing and Nastasic/Terry/Cahill/Lescott @ CB. We're looking at as many as nine City players out of eleven. Arsenal? Please don't make me laugh. Prior to Ozil's signing and Ramsey's recent form which Arsenal fan could boast and compare their squad to Chelsea Prior to Ozil's signing? Ho ho ho, why not prior to Essien signing or prior to Roman buying the club or prior to the 21st century. As we speak Hazard is the only Chelsea player that would break into Arsenal XI, and maybe one or two others MAX depending on preference. I don't even know what niggas are chatting here when Mourinho himself has already admitted City clearly have the best squad and all his strikers are pants. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 12:33am On Dec 11, 2013 |
ritchboy:You are chatting absolute shyte! When the season started did you for a second fancy Liverpool being this high at this point? Who would you take at Liverpool bar Suarez? Based on playing personnel they have obviously over-achieved ritchboy:So who is responsible for their not playing? How does this become an indictment of squad quality? How is this even a point? ritchboy:Kolarov/Clichy over Ashley Cole? Epic joke Zabaleta over Ivanovic? Bwahahaha Fernandinho over Ramires? Remind me how many international caps Fernandinho has Nastasic over Terry or Cahill? Phuck outta here Mata's stats and achievements shytes on Silva's ritchboy:Bwahahahaha e be like say that temporary lease wey dem give una for table don dey get to your head! I would not even dignify this megedefegede with a response ritchboy:Mourinho? Boohoo! What else would he say when his second coming has not delivered on its promise! Only a naïve ninja would buy that load of horseshyt He had all summer and brought in Eto'o loaned out Lukaku who has been on beastmode. Who is to blame? Torres,Ba,Eto'o and Schuerlle are on their roster and he is whining about lack of strikers. Longthroat! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:20am On Dec 11, 2013 |
dayokanu: So why was Avram grant sacked after the Moscow loss? When we all know he didnt cause Terry and Anelka to miss penalties Dayo u've lost weight seriously. Grant was never on this planet Roman's kinda gaffer - not just that kinda look, so once we lost the UCL, he lost a job he was never guaranteed of keeping even if he won the holy grail. Same applied with RDM who was only deemed competent enough for teams like Westbrom. The Roman Abramovich Federation were hoping for a blip on the radar for RDM, once that happened, the Italian was shown the exit door. You label the bison and Luiz dud players and still wanna stay in this debate? Why go on to blame Jose for everything then when he's inuring a torrid spell with dud players? Its not like Mou has a provisional squad of 30 Wow players to make a choice of his first eleven. As it stands, our best and first choice DM aint even a DM, when he doesnt get to start we're enveloped in a state of fear cos no folk is ready to be graced a Mikel or Essien Bob show, this simply entails that the team Mou inherited is not even balanced. People often say 'make use of what is at your disposal', forgetting easily that u might be overriding certain philosophies in the process. Like i would say, i'd criticise Mou anyday anytime if he failed to have his tactical gears on, but then i would never digress from my claim that recent results and displays are solely the players' faults and not a reflection of the gaffer's ideas. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 12:03pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
Enough of the megedefegede guys. Surely a win is on the cards tonite. We are building a "new" team with a "new" coach so it will take some time. What I know is that we will certainly get there. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 10:36pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
The football is appalling really. Having a large chunk of possession but no idea of what to do with it in the final third. Everyone's running around like machines but there's no particular pattern of play. No structure, non existent forward passes in areas that matter and poor movement in attack. It's like a disjointed display of individual abilities, for the umpteenth time, against a very poor side. Strikers won't score with this 'no pattern of play' and games won't be won. If the opposition were a little better, we won't win this. 1-0 sha but I worry. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 10:42pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
nateevs: The football is appalling really. Having a large chunk of possession but no idea of what to do with it in the final third. Everyone's running around like machines but there's no particular pattern of play. No structure, non existent forward passes in area that matter and poor movement in attack. dayo will find a way to blame torres - just wait & see. |
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