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Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 5:33am On Aug 24, 2014
For the last couple of months i have been working part-time at a fast food restaurant near campus. The staff is majority white, with me being one of the few black employees and the patronage is 20/80% with whites being the majority of customers.

In the united states it is customary to offer free water to customers, and so when our water fountain broke we simply began giving out regular 2$ drink cups free to people who requested water. These cups came with the instruction to fill it up with water from our soda fountain. The white patrons at the store adapted to this change without issue, filling their cups with water as instructed. However, this was not the case with our black customers. For the several months i worked at this restaurant i observed the fact that 9/10 customers who stole drinks (would ask for a water cup and then fill it with soda) were black. In fact almost every black person who asked for a water cup proceeded to fill it with soda and run out of the store.

Today the restaurant decided to stop giving out free water-cups as a general policy, but in practice only to blacks. This is racism, but is it also the logical and rational response to black behavior? If so, then racism is justified and how can anyone then claim that racism is wrong?

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Rawani: 5:53am On Aug 24, 2014
That is not a rational response. Eliminating the $2 cups and fixing the original water fountain is the rational response.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 6:15am On Aug 24, 2014
Rawani: That is not a rational response. Eliminating the $2 cups and fixing the original water fountain is the rational response.
rolf. miss the point more

Obviously the business has decided that it is not cost efficient to repair a non revenue generating item like a water-fountain when they can replace it with cups that cost less then 3 cents each to buy.

Don't strawman my post

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Rawani: 6:25am On Aug 24, 2014
pleep:
rolf. miss the point more

Nope. If your point was to showcase the greedy nature if some blacks, you should have framed it better, instead of trying to veil it under a business losing money as a result of black greed, when it is really because of inefficiency and weak strategy. The likes of Bernie Madoff are definitely not black, going by your postulation about black people and abuse of trust, one would then be safe and 'un-racist' to say white people are the greediest people to walk the earth.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 6:34am On Aug 24, 2014
Rawani:

Nope. If your point was to showcase the greedy nature if some blacks, you should have framed it better, instead of trying to veil it under a business losing money as a result of black greed, when it is really because of inefficiency and weak strategy. The likes of Bernie Madoff are definitely not black, going by your postulation about black people and abuse of trust, one would then be safe and 'un-racist' to say white people are the greediest people to walk the earth.
Bernie Madoff is not complaining about people mistrusting him... and if he did it would sound ironic and not be taken seriously.

Just like the black people who repeatedly steal water-cups in my real life scenario. If a tiger attacks you every time you meet one are you not justified in fearing tigers? By that same rationality a store that is repeatedly exploited by blacks is justified in being racist towards them. And by default an immigration system, law system or even government as well.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Rawani: 7:11am On Aug 24, 2014
pleep: Bernie Madoff is not complaining about people mistrusting him... and if he did it would sound ironic and not be taken seriously.

Just like the black people who repeatedly steal water-cups in my real life scenario. If a tiger attacks you every time you meet one are you not justified in fearing tigers? By that same rationality a store that is repeatedly exploited by blacks is justified in being racist towards them. And by default an immigration system, law system or even government as well.

How about not setting yourself up for attack by the tiger. A man built to seek out opportunity will definitely exploit one when presented.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Rawani: 7:20am On Aug 24, 2014
pleep:
rolf. miss the point more

Obviously the business has decided that it is not cost efficient to repair a non revenue generating item like a water-fountain when they can replace it with cups that cost less then 3 cents each to buy.

Don't strawman my post

How can the business decide it's not cost efficient when

1. By repairing it, it will avoid the new recurrent expenditure of 3 cents x ? number of cups per day. A cost that was previously non-existent.

2. The cost of stolen soda, and negative publicity from the new policy is grossly higher than the cost of fixing an ordinary water fountain.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Brahms(m): 7:39am On Aug 24, 2014
Interesting.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 7:42am On Aug 24, 2014
Rawani:

How can the business decide it's not cost efficient when

1. By repairing it, it will avoid the new recurrent expenditure of 3 cents x ? number of cups per day. A cost that was previously non-existent.

2. The cost of stolen soda, and negative publicity from the new policy is grossly higher than the cost of fixing an ordinary water fountain.
Oh my god. Finding someone capable of rational discussion is like trying to teach a gerbil to read.

First off, a brand new water-fountain can cost up to $1000 plus labor which is still more than giving away 100,000 water cups.

Second off, who cares? thats not the fucking point of the thread so Stop strawmanning the argument. There are only 3 factors that mater, the behavior of the black customers, the behavior of the white costomers and the response of the store. If you cannot debate this without deflecting and strawmaning then leave.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 7:49am On Aug 24, 2014
Rawani:

How about not setting yourself up for attack by the tiger. A man built to seek out opportunity will definitely exploit one when presented.
good idea.

We will "not set ourselves up to be stolen from" (attacked by the tiger) by refusing to give water cups to black customers.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Rawani: 7:50am On Aug 24, 2014
pleep: Oh my god. Finding someone capable of rational discussion is like trying to teach a gerbil to read.

First off, a brand new water-fountain can cost up to $1000 plus labor which is still more than giving away 100,000 water cups.

Second off, who cares? thats not the fucking point of the thread so Stop strawmanning the argument. There are only 3 factors that mater, the behavior of the black customers, the behavior of the white costomers and the response of the store. If you cannot debate this without deflecting and strawmaning then leave.

Keep blabbing and deluding yourself. Good luck trying to find someone with a matching inferiority complex to help you justify racism. No wonder your thread is dead, racist scum.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 7:56am On Aug 24, 2014
Rawani:

Keep blabbing and deluding yourself. Good luck trying to find someone with a matching inferiority complex to help you justify racism. No wonder your thread is dead, racist scum.
Its not me with the inferiority complex its you guys.

The ignorant think that blacks will improve our condition when other races stop being racist. This is a negative feedback loop because our own behavior reinforces racism and thus negates any progress we are making when fighting it

Im trying to break the feedback loop by changing the only aspect of the cycle that is in our own control. (our own behavior)

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 5:17pm On Aug 24, 2014
Bump
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 6:15pm On Aug 24, 2014
Dont be scared of the truth people.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 8:38pm On Aug 24, 2014
bump
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by tit(f): 8:52pm On Aug 24, 2014
Pleep, i had to reread your initial post after reading the responses.
How long have the stealing customers been with you?
Perhaps new customers, black/white, walk up to the drink fountain and then realize they might as well take soda.

Why dont you guys give out cups already filled with water?

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by itstpia1: 8:57pm On Aug 24, 2014
Rawani: That is not a rational response. Eliminating the $2 cups and fixing the original water fountain is the rational response.

You just have to fear this pleep guy.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by itstpia1: 8:59pm On Aug 24, 2014
pleep: Oh my god. Finding someone capable of rational discussion is like trying to teach a gerbil to read.

First off, a brand new water-fountain can cost up to $1000 plus labor which is still more than giving away 100,000 water cups.


What kinds of lies are you telling?

Nobody runs a restaurant like that.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by itstpia1: 9:20pm On Aug 24, 2014
And where is a disposable cup retailing for $2.00?

That's your idea of cost effectiveness?

Opuro buruku.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Nobody: 10:14pm On Aug 24, 2014
i actually viewed this thread in the morning but decided not to comment yet cos i was busy then.
Coming back to the thread now i must say that i am shocked by people's reaction.
The ppl commenting on this thread seem to view theft as a reflex action, something that is done unconsiously just like breathing.
This issue that the op raised is an indictment to the whole black race and the comments that i see here tend to make matter worse.
Maybe their view is that theft is justifiable if one party provides a chance for his possession or goods to be stolen. For example if a wallet is left carelessly then is deserves to be stolen.
smh

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 10:23pm On Aug 24, 2014
itstpia1: And where is a disposable cup retailing for $2.00?

That's your idea of cost effectiveness?

Opuro buruku.
The cups are bought from the manufacturer for 1-3 cents and are sold for $2 dollars. This is because the restaurant is not actually selling the cup, we are selling the drink the customer puts in it.

The cups are considered free when they are used for water, but not for soda.

Either way the fact that you guys choose to focus on the least important aspect of this scenario is evidence that your brains are not mature enough for an actual philosophical discussion. Who cares if its cost effective? its not your store.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by itstpia1: 10:24pm On Aug 24, 2014
Francleanflexy


Posts like yours make black people look s.tupid.

Posts like pleeps own, get people lynched irrespective of their colour or ethnicity.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Respect55(m): 10:40pm On Aug 24, 2014
pleep: Its not me with the inferiority complex its you guys.

The ignorant think that blacks will improve our condition when other races stop being racist. This is a negative feedback loop because our own behavior reinforces racism and thus negates any progress we are making when fighting it

Brother,u sound so pathetic n your comments are really excruciating.Are u white coloured?
Im trying to break the feedback loop by changing the only aspect of the cycle that is in our own control. (our own behavior)
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by itstpia1: 10:49pm On Aug 24, 2014
pleep: The cups are bought from the manufacturer for 1-3 cents and are sold for $2 dollars. This is because the restaurant is not actually selling the cup, we are selling the drink the customer puts in it.

The cups are considered free when they are used for water, but not for soda.

Either way the fact that you guys choose to focus on the least important aspect of this scenario is evidence that your brains are not mature enough for an actual philosophical discussion. Who cares if its cost effective? its not your store.

dont you think its s.tupid to tell customers to "take only water" from the soda fountain while handing them a cup?

why cant you give them the water yourself AND call the central office to come and look at the water machine?

I've NEVER heard of a restaurant being without a means to verify or prevent customers from taking soda when they should be taking water.

later you will call the cops and get someone killed all because of what? A totally preventable situation?

and you think God will overlook that when reckoning your sins?

yes, the customers should not be taking soda when they're supposed to be filling their cups with water, then YOU the restaurant, should find a way to fix that problem.


dont you have cameras monitoring everything going on in your store?


and place the darn soda machines behind the counter for goodness sake.

if you cant afford basic repairs which are supposed to be part of routine maintenance, then consider closing down- that means you're running at a loss.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Respect55(m): 10:50pm On Aug 24, 2014
itstpia1: Francleanflexy


Posts like yours make black people look s.tupid.

Posts like pleeps own, get people lynched irrespective of their colour or ethnicity.
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U are on point
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 10:50pm On Aug 24, 2014
Respect55: Brother,u sound so pathetic n your comments are really excruciating.Are u white coloured?
Nope i am 100% black, of Nigerian decent.

I have no love for white people I see them as my enemy, but despite this fact i do allow bias to cloud my judgement. I form my opinions through logic and reason, not emotion. The fact of the matter is racism is quickly becoming justified because of the actions of black people.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by itstpia1: 10:52pm On Aug 24, 2014
wetin you for talk before.

the ebola problem is not yet solved and you are already introducing another one.

giggling with glee no doubt, patience is not your virtue.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 10:55pm On Aug 24, 2014
itstpia1:

dont you think its s.tupid to tell customers to "take only water" from the soda fountain while handing them a cup?

why cant you give them the water yourself AND call the central office to come and look at the water machine?

I've NEVER heard of a restaurant being withuot a means to verify or prevent customers from taking soda when they should be taking water.

later you will call the cops ad get someone killed all because of what? A totally preventable situation?

and you think God will overlook that when reckoning your sins?
I have never stolen in my life and i do not make excuses for others to steal. If someone walks to me and asks for a water cup i give him a cup and expect him to fill it with water. If he fills it with juice he is stealing from me.

When a customer is caught stealing were i work the white people simply tell them to pour out the soda and fill the cup with water. No voices are raised, no police are called.... and until recently that same black customer who stole yesterday could come in the next day and receive another water cup. (only to steal again)

This is actually much more reasonable then what is done in Nigeria where a human being can be wrapped in tires and burned to death at the call of "ole"
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by itstpia1: 10:57pm On Aug 24, 2014
pleep: I have never stolen in my life and i do not make excuses for others to steal. If someone walks to me and asks for a water cup i give him a cup and expect him to fill it with water. If he fills it with juice he is stealing from me.

This is actually much more reasonable then what is done in Nigeria where a human being can be wrapped in tires and burned to death at the call of "ole"

and what you are doing now is not calling a lynch mob?


if someone asks you for water then hand him the damn water or tell him you have none since the machine is broken.

i would like to see you try this crap with hispanics.

who is making excuses for others to steal? When you go into a place for business, you're supposed to do a swot analysis and research the area to find out possible scenarios to envisage there.

i dont know of anywhere in the world where you place a cup in someone's hands, refuse to fix your water machine, then accuse the person of stealing your soda when you deliberately set him or her up to do exactly that.

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Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Abbott(m): 10:58pm On Aug 24, 2014
francleanflexy:
The ppl commenting on this thread seem to view theft as a reflex action, something that is done unconsiously just like breathing.
This issue that the op raised is an indictment to the whole black race and the comments that i see here tend to make matter worse.
Maybe their view is that theft is justifiable if one party provides a chance for his possession or goods to be stolen. For example if a wallet is left carelessly then is deserves to be stolen.
smh

Are you a thief?
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by pleep(m): 11:03pm On Aug 24, 2014
The actions of other black people directly affect the way you (an innocent black man) will be perceived. Its justified.
Re: Racism, The Rational & Logical Response To Black Behavior (philosophical Debate) by Nobody: 11:05pm On Aug 24, 2014
Abbott:

Are you a thief?
an indictment is an accusation
it may be true or false.

N to answer ur question am not

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