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Re: Tithes And Offerings by nora544: 11:40pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
TITHING—HIGHWAY ROBBERY OF THE 21st CENTURY The Church conception of the tithe is totally unbiblical. Just how much do people or their ministers know about God’s teachings on tithing? Let us look at what the Lord says about tithes: It was the ministers - the Levitic priests - that God blamed for defrauding Him, not the tithe payers themselves. Malachi 3:7-9 “Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them…..But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are curse with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.” KJV Contrary to popular misconception, the Scriptures do not show Abraham tithed on a regular basis from his personal property or livestock. He gave one tithe only, there is no evidence that he ever tithed again. Genesis14:17-20 “And the King of Sodom went out to meet him…And Melchizedek….was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God…And blessed be the most high God…And he gave him tithes of all.” KJV Abram gave not wheat, corn, wine or cattle from his own possessions, but rather booty taken from conquered nations. Abram, later Abraham, never tithed on a regular basis on his own personal possessions. God did not tell Jacob that if he tithed, He would bless him, but rather Jacob told God that if He blessed him first, Jacob would give God a tithe. The way Jacob tithed, chances are high that no ministers will even quote the next verse, yet preach a sermon on it: Genesis 28:20-22 “And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on…then shall the Lord be my God…and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.” KJV This really contradicts 99% of all sermons I heard on tithing. This is the very first verse of the Bible that gives an account of someone giving 1/10 or tithe of his personal belongings. God honoured Jacob’s proposition and furthermore God continued to honour this same principle of tithing all through Israel’s history. This example proves that God does not expect a tithe until He blessed the tithe payer first. How did Jacob tithe to God? Deuteronomy12:6-7 “And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks: And there ye shall eat before the Lord your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, ye and your household, wherein the Lord thy God hath blessed thee.” KJV Leviticus 27:30-32 “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord…….And concerning the tithe of the herd, or the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord.” KJV Verse 32 exposes another lie of modern preachers. It was not the first tenth, but rather the tenth tenth that belonged to the Lord; contrary to every minister I have heard who insists that the first tenth always belongs to the Lord. Unscriptural, untrue. The tithes were given to the Levitic Priest. Numbers 18:24-28 “But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord, I have given to the Levites to inherit…And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it to the Lord, even a tenth part of the tithe…..Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the Lord’s heave offering to Aaron the priest.” KJV Only the Levitic priests could collect tithes at the temple, therefore everyone collecting a tithe today is a CHARLATAN and a FAKE. If one cannot trace back his genealogy generation by generation with any lapses to the family of Aaron, he is not and cannot be a priest authorised by God to collect tithes. All the Bible scholars know that when the temple ceased, the priesthood officiating at the temple ceased. Jesus Christ did not support His ministry through tithes, He told His apostles NOT to take money from any source when He sent them to preach the Gospel. Matthew 10: 8-9 “…freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,” KJV Mark 6:8 “And (Jesus) commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:” KJV Luke 9: 3 “And He (Jesus) said unto them. Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money, neither have two coats apiece.” KJV Only Levites could collect tithes. Christian pastors are not “Priests of Levi”. They can accept freewill offerings, they dare not collect tithes, it is a sin for anyone to exact “tithe money” from anyone. If a poor farmer in ancient Israel did not have an increase in his harvest, he was not required to pay a tithe at all. Paul the apostle laboured with his own hands for substance, yet he never taught on tithing. The priests—Levites—were not to live a life of worldly splendour above even the king. The tithe consisted of things like wheat, corn and oil, not huge sums of money. That the first tenth belongs to the Lord is NOT a scriptural statement or principle. God does not require the first tenth, but the tenth tenth. In the history of the world, God almighty has never authorized any man or organisation for any religious purposes, to collect ten percent of another man wages, How then, under the New Covenant, does a believer give a tenth when he is supposed to give his all? Romans 6:13 “…yield yourselves unto God,…and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.” KJV To a priesthood that does not exist, but now he himself is part of priesthood. 1 Peter 2:9 “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of the darkness into His marvellous light.” KJV At a temple that does not exist: Matthew 24:1-2 “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” KJV Read all the 13 books Paul wrote to the Gentiles and find one verse where he instructed Gentiles to pay one cent of tithe money to anyone. The teaching on the tithe is totally unscriptural, and even IF Christians were to tithe again, time and time again God told Israel they were to tithe on their increase from their abundance, not on the decrease of their lack. Notice in Deuteronomy 14:22-29 that they were to tithe on the increase of the fields, and when because the place where God chose for them to eat their tithe was too far, they could sell their produce and carry that money to the place God chose and then buy for them anything they desired. Israel never tithed from their poverty, but on their increase. Contrary to all the deceiving Schambach, Hinn, Murdoch in the world, God never intended for people to tithe on what they did not have—their credit card. Paul declares in 2 Corinthians 8:12 “For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.” KJV Most of our present preachers shamelessly hawk and huckster their religious doctrines, trinkets, and wares over the pulpit and the airwaves like peddlers in the name of God. 2 Corinthians 2:17 “For we are not as so many, peddling the word of God…” NKJV The word “peddling” comes from the Greek word kapeleuo which means: To sell at retail with the insinuation of improper profit, either by overcharging or adulterating. Notice that Paul speaks about the majority. Malachi 3:8-9 “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse, for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.” KJV Is God telling us in these Scriptures that the 21st century Christians are robbing God by not giving 10% of their salaries, their hard earned money to these charlatans? Is this the interpretation of this Scriptures? Surely Not. Did you know that besides the Ten Commandments, there are 600 additional laws, precepts and commandments in the Scroll of the Law, the Old Covenant? It is amazing that out of these 600+ laws modern preachers latch to only one of them. Let us see what God has to say to those ministers of the Gospel. Malachi 1:6 “….O priests (tithe collecting ministers of the Gospel) that despise my name.” KJV In the New Testament, when Christ discusses the topic of tithing, He does not mention the word money and it is with the words: “Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint, and anise, and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not the leave the other undone .” Matthew 23:23 KJV. Historically and presently it is always the priests, the ministers, the shepherds who led God’s people astray. Christ put little emphasis on tithing; He was more interested in spiritual things. Christ teaches us that we would fare better following the tribute collector who did not tithe. After all did he not return to his home “justified” (v.14)? “The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the Publican standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying , God be merciful to me a sinner.” Luke 18:11-13 KJV |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 12:38pm On Sep 23, 2014 |
Any idea why nobody from Pentecost till 400 years later thought of tithing? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 1:21pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
vooks: Any idea why nobody from Pentecost till 400 years later thought of tithing?no Leer jets to fuel. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:53pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
vooks: Have you read the didache? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 2:27pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
Not all of it, what part tackles tithing? I gleaned this summary http://slaveoftheword..com/2006/03/tithing-in-ante-nicene-period-second.html Did they skip something? OLAADEGBU: |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by debraleey: 2:42pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
Hmm......well we are commanded to pay tithe n that is my stance! Stop looking for excuses. The only advice i will give is u go to a church where u bliv ur tithe will be used properly n not for someone satisfying himself or herself.......nigerians tho.......smh |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:44pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
vooks: I don't know what you are looking for, at least it shows the principles of tithe and offering. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:46pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
debraleey: It could be said that Nigerians have their heads and hearts in their pockets. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 2:50pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
No it doesn't There is no mention of tithing and let alone giving the same to the pastors. It contains first fruits though. Ireneus, Tertullius and Justin Matyr all spoke of giving in the primitive church and no mention of tithe. As a Christian, shouldn't you be bothered that tithing 10% of your income is a late-comer doctrine? OLAADEGBU: |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:54pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
vooks: You seem to be a late comer to this thread as this has been covered many pages back. Let me reproduce an article I posted addressing the issue at hand: OLAADEGBU: |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 3:02pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
A handy rebuttal of EVERY of that http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id172.html Sample this
Ever read Didache yourself? Once again, Tithe is not first fruits OLAADEGBU: |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:11pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
vooks: You don't need to scan the internet for rebuttals, Russel Kelly's partner in crime has been on this thread spreading the gospel according to his master. Just tell us whether you are one of his disciples so that I don't have to waste my time responding to those whose minds are already made up and don't want to be confused with the facts. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 3:18pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
You regurgitated tired fickle arguments and I gladly returned favor Your mind is made up to stick to man made traditions at ALL costs Tithing expired along Pentecost Once again, tithing is a late-comer doctrine akin to Assumption of Mary, it is legalistic no different from Galatian Error of returning to Torah OLAADEGBU: |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:17pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
vooks: It is true that the love of money is the last thing to give way to the Lord. Those who give God the best will not become the last. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:12am On Sep 29, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:nice misquote of Scripture. Of course, that seems to be the norm for you. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 10:35am On Sep 29, 2014 |
Ever since Fredrick K. Price began Ever Increasing Faith Ministries in Inglewood, CA., the Church has taken the stance that tithing one's money is commanded by God in the Bible. Even this year, June 27, 2014 the wife of Price aired one of his earlier messages at EIFM in which he states emphatically that the Church is the storehouse and that God requires monetary tithes of the saints to be brought to the Church. Less than three months later, in three separate sermons Price's son, Fredrick K. Price, Jr., delivered a message at the Faith Dome's EIFM TITLED "Tithing Under Grace". This message aired September 7th, 14th & 21st. In the message, Fred Jr. Covered every single verse in the Bible that dealt with tithing and revealed to the congregation that God never commanded tithes of money from anyone in His Holy Word. While it is refreshing to see EIFM is being honest concerning the Biblical tithes after more than 30 years of guilting its members into giving, one has to wonder what happened that caused the shift to doctrinal truth? Are there more doctrinal shifts in the future at the Faith Dome? And what about the father/son clash in doctrine if Fred Sr. still believes tithing is a Biblical mandate? Will it cause bad blood between family members? Will those who have tithed faithfully for the last 30 years "lest they be cursed God-robbers" be angry now that they know the truth? 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by WinsomeX: 11:31am On Sep 29, 2014 |
^^^ MarkMiwerds pls can we have a link to those messages. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 12:19pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
WinsomeX: ^^^Here is the link for the page that has Fred Jr's three sermons. http://www.faithdome.org/echurch/sundaysermons.html And for the link for an early broadcast of his father teaching the tithe that was re-broadcast June 27th of this year, go here: http://www.lightsource.com/ministry/ever-increasing-faith/video-player/tithes-and-offerings-1404-320472.html 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 7:14pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: nice misquote of Scripture. Of course, that seems to be the norm for you.What is the correct quote Mark? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:41pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
Image123:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. 30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. Says nothing of giving up best or worse. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 8:01pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. wow, i for one never thought Olaa was quoting any Bible verse, not to talk of misquoting. It is an imperative fact that those who give God the best would not be last. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by debosky(m): 8:37pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
The truth will come out eventually - from being an adopted 'principle' to quoting the Didache which states that it is the RESPONSIBILITY of every Christian to pay tithes and first fruits eh? Pray tell who were the specified recipients of the tithes and first fruits according to the Didache? The Levitical priesthood or someone else? Why should we countenance something completely at odds with the teaching of the apostles? Where did Paul or Peter or John teach tithing/first fruits as a responsibility of Christians? 3 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:22pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
Image123: He seems to be allergic to giving to God and this explains why he jumped the gun to accuse me of misquoting scriptures.
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Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:57pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
Question: "What is a church supposed to do with the offerings it receives?" Answer: Every church receives some type of tithes or offerings. Be it via “passing the plate” or setting a box in the back of the sanctuary or some other collection method, a church needs funds to operate. How the church uses those funds is important, as the church has responsibilities to its members, to its surrounding community, and to God. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:06am On Oct 04, 2014 |
Daily Manna Friday 03, October 2014 Simply the Best TEXT: LEVITICUS 22:17-25 "Ye shall offer at your own will a male without blemish, of the beeves, of the sheep, or of the goats" (Leviticus 22:19). In a small village in one of the states in a country in Africa, a local government chairman went visiting. The poor villagers taxed themselves and presented him with a quality gift. The gesture surprised the visiting politician who there and then, promised to rehabilitate their roads that had been abandoned for years. This is what good gifts can achieve. If earthly rulers are considered so deserving, what does the Ruler of the universe and the Creator of all things deserve? If the children of Israel had any difficulty figuring it out, the Lord Himself, in our text made it clear. “Ye shall offer at your own will…,” He demanded. There should be no coercion. Offerings to the Lord must spring from the bottom of the heart of the giver and that with no strings attached but with pure and godly motives. Beyond that, God would not accept anything that had a blemish. Animals constituted the bulk of Israel’s items of sacrifice then. For an animal to be suitable for sacrifice to God, it must not be blind, lame, bruised, crushed, broken, cut or have skin disease. On the part of the offerer, this implied an overwhelming sense of honour to God and entailed painstaking search among his lot to fetch a most suitable animal. The Christian believer is not obliged, today, to offer animal sacrifice to God - Christ Jesus had satisfied that demand as “a Lamb without blemish and without spot” (1 Peter 1:19). However, we are expected to offer to God spiritual sacrifices. In doing this, the same principles apply. We must offer to God wholeheartedly and that which is without blemish. We must remember that Ananias and Saphira were not punished for offering something but for offering a half-measure. God is not mocked. Your gifts to Him need be wholesome and entire. Higher Everyday for Youths - Link: http://highereveryday.dclmhq.org/ Thought for the day: "The Giver deserves the best gift" See more at: 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 10:40am On Oct 05, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Ananias and Sapphira were punished for giving a half-measure? That's a new one on me. First, the Bible does not tell us the percentage they kept back. Only that they kept back a "part". They part they kept could have been far less. It could have been far more. We are not told the amount or the percentage. Second, the Bible does not say they were punished for keeping any of the price. It says they were punished for lying to the Holy Ghost. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:09am On Oct 06, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: The moral of the article is that we should offer to God wholeheartedly and that which is without blemish if your offering is to be accepted by God. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 8:28am On Oct 06, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:if your message is to be accepted of God, it should be without blemish. God doesn't honour lies. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:10pm On Oct 08, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: You should rather accept God's message instead of assuming the role of an adviser. "Most people want to serve God, but only in an advisory position" |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 11:27pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:i've already accepted God's message. It is contrary to yours. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:38pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: Mammon's message is definitely different to my God's. "No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon" (Luke 16:13). |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 6:26pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:my God said His holy tithe was to go to Levites, widows, orphans and foreigners in Israel. Your god says tithe belongs in your Gentile organization. My God said His holy tithe was agricultural. Your god requires mammon. 3 Likes |
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