My people perish because they lack knowledge

And for those who think it is wrong to pray through Saints and Mary. You may like to read

Ephesians 6:18
Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints.

1 Timothy 2:1
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Romans 8:27
And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.


James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

Have anyone read the book ''THE CHURCH AGE'' Please look for this book and read it, then you will know the origin of roman catholic. Its just roman paganism that metamorphosed into a church, starting from emperor Constantine. You will see the origin, history and meaning of all the teachings of roman catholic. They give so much importance to Mary because the then roman paganism is about an idolatrous sculpture of a goddess carrying a baby, which transcends to Mary carrying Jesus. Honestly I love the catholics for their religious zealousness but I pity them.

It is better to keep quiet than saying what u dnt knw. I choose to keep observing comment

As 4 dose sayin wat dey dnt knw..lafin i̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ chinese,hihahohihaho..

samplegirl:


@Ichiato I must point out that you are one of few people I have met on this forum who maintain high sense of decorum. This interaction to my understanding is not for purpose of abuse or name calling or empty argument but for widening one's scope of horizon of knowledge and understanding. I have enjoyed every bit of it because I can clearly see the gentleman's approach.

Now back to the main issue as you said. Do you imply that because all that Christ did was not recorded it is then right for men to MANUFACTURE certain things, be it doctrine or anything and sell it to the congregation under the assumption that ''he may have said it, it is right, not all things were recorded. Pls could you throw more light. Thank you.

You talk of manufacturing doctrines like you manufacturer doctrines from tin air. No you can't just manufacture doctrines from tin air, as a matter of fact, you can't manufacture anything from tin air (except you're magician LOL). All catholic doctrines have bases from which they were manufactured and many of which are still in the bible. Why Catholics pray to mary and saints? I believe Werehkpe has given bible passages to explain earlier. The reason why I take such stance that everything does not have to be in the bible is the way many non-Catholics demand specific instances in the bible to support our arguments as if without that then we are wrong. Catholic doctrines can also be based on traditions which is spoken words and actions from generation to generation.

The believe and honouring of Mary sending many Catholics to hell since the death of Christ. I pity them.

gentlegg:
Have anyone read the book ''THE CHURCH AGE'' Please look for this book and read it, then you will know the origin of roman catholic. Its just roman paganism that metamorphosed into a church, starting from emperor Constantine. You will see the origin, history and meaning of all the teachings of roman catholic. They give so much importance to Mary because the then roman paganism is about an idolatrous sculpture of a goddess carrying a baby, which transcends to Mary carrying Jesus. Honestly I love the catholics for their religious zealousness but I pity them.

Before you go on this pity party for catholics why don't you look deeply inwards. A poor wretched soul as yours I think is more deserved of your pity. Any christian that undermines the place of the blessed virgin in his salvation is d one in need of pity.

Chibueze291994:
we only honour mary
we do not worship her.
Truly no one goes to the father except through christ, but
some are also in a better position to pray for us that's where we talk about mediator. let's take a look at what happened in canaan.

Seriously? Do you believe that?

I laugh when I hear Catholics say this. I'm like really, what's the difference between honoring and worshipping?

C'mon guys...

Before anyone starts to indoctrinate me, I'm also a Catholic and I know the catechism inside out but one thing I know I'm not just buying any church dogma or doctrine that doesn't sit well with me.

If the truth must be told, the way Virgin Mary is elevated in the church, you will get the idea that she's not just the mother of God; she's more like God the Mother!

godsveryown:
and did bible ask u to include it in prayers? Where is it stated in d biblie dat rosary b used 4 praying? Did jesus not specify clearly on hw we shuld pray?

Please how many times have u strtd and ended ur prayer session with ONLY The Lord's Prayer?

Jesus and The Virgin Mary in Islam

By Juan Galvan

Many people may be surprised that Muslims love Mary, the mother of Jesus. In the Quran, no woman is given more attention than Mary. Mary receives the most attention of any woman mentioned in the Quran even though all the Prophets with the exception of Adam had mothers. Of the Quran's 114 chapters, she is among the eight people who have a chapter named after them. The nineteenth chapter of the Quran is named after her, Mariam. Mariam means Mary in Arabic. The third chapter in the Quran is named after her father, Imran. Chapters Mariam and Imran are among the most beautiful chapters in the Quran. Mary (peace be upon her) is the only woman specifically named in the Quran. An authentic Haddith states that the Prophet said, "The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh." (Bukhari 4.643). Indeed, both Mary and Pharoah's wife are an example (Quran 66:11-12). The Virgin Mary plays a very significant role in Islam. She is an example and a sign for all people.

In the Quran, Mary's story begins while she is still in her mother's womb. The mother of Mary, said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate into Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things." (Quran 3:35).

She wanted the baby in her womb to serve only the Creator. When Mary was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!" (Quran 3:36). She had expected her baby to be a male child who would grow up to be a scholar or religious leader. However, God had a better plan. God is the best of planners. Quran 3:36 continues "…and God knew best what she brought forth- 'And no wise is the male like the female. I have named her Mariam, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from Satan, the Rejected.'" Mariam literally means "maidservant of God."

In Quran 3:37, God states that He accepted Mary as her mother had asked. He made Mary grow in purity and beauty. She was assigned to the care of a priest named Zacharias. This is interesting considering few women were given this opportunity.

"Every time that he entered (her) chamber to see her, he found her supplied with sustenance. He said: 'O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?' She said: 'From God. for God provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure.'" (Quran 3:37). Upon hearing Mary's answer, "There did Zakariya pray to his Lord, saying: 'O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer!'" (Quran 3:38).

Although his wife was barren and he was very old, God blesses Zacharias and his wife Elizabeth with John. John is known as "John the Baptist" in the Bible. Zacharias was skeptical after the angels announced John's birth. The response to his skepticism was "Doth God accomplish what He willeth" (Quran 3:40). John would become a noble and chaste Prophet as the angels had stated (Quran 3:39).

The Quran discusses Mary's miraculous conception as well. "Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects." (Quran 19:16-17). After seeing the angel, she said: "I seek refuge from thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear God." (Quran 19:18). The angel Gabriel responded: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a pure son." (Quran 19:19). Her next response is expected. She asked: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" (Quran 19:20). The Angel Gabriel said: "So (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us.' It is a matter (so) decreed." (Quran 19:21). Mary then becomes pregnant.

Jesus is a Prophet and a Messenger. A Messenger is a Prophet who is given revelation from God. Whereas the Torah was revealed to Moses, the Gospel was revealed to Jesus. Messengers are a mercy, guidance, and sign from God. "And God will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, and (appoint him) as a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message):

'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I bring the dead into life, by God's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe. (I have come to you) to attest the Torah which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you. I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear God, and obey me. It is God Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'" (Quran 3:48-51).

God appointed messengers to help us answer questions such as: What happens after I die? What's right and wrong? Does a supernatural world exist? What's the purpose of my creation? Jesus was calling people to the worship of only God. Only by God's leave was Jesus able to perform miracles.

"When Jesus found unbelief on their (the disciples) part he said: 'Who will be my helpers to (the work of) God?" Said the disciples: "We are God's helpers: We believe in God, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.'" (Quran 3:52).

After conceiving Jesus, Mary went away with the baby to a distant place (Quran 19:22). "And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She cried (in her anguish): 'Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten!'" (Quran 19:23). "But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): 'Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee; And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee. So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (God) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being.'" (Quran 19:24-26).

Joseph, the magi, and manger are not mentioned in the Quran. God was Mary's only Provider. Muslims do not accept the virgin birth of Jesus as evidence of Jesus' divinity. "The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be.' And he was." (Quran 3:59). Adam's creation was even more miraculous because he was born without father and mother. When she brings the baby to her people, they said: "O Mary! truly a strange thing has thou brought! O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" (Quran 19:27-. Mary then points to the baby. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" (Quran 19:29). Then a miracle occurs that is not mentioned in the Bible. In defense of his mother, Jesus said: "I am indeed a servant of God. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; (He hath made me) kind to my mother, and not overbearing or unblest; So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!" (Quran 19:30-33).

The virgin birth of Jesus was a sign. "And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples." (Quran 21:91). All previous Prophets confirmed the oneness of God, Tawheed. Whereas the Holy Trinity is the fundamental concept of God in Christianity, Tawheed is the fundamental concept of God in Islam. God exists independent of religion. Muslims do not believe in the concept of Holy Trinity (Quran 5:73). God is not Jesus (Quran 5:72). On the Day of Judgment, when Jesus is asked if he had called people to worship him and his mother as two gods, Jesus will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." (Quran 5:116).

People should not worship any of God's creation, including Jesus and Mary. We must not assign any of God's creation His divine attributes and characteristics. "He is God the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (Qur'an 59:24).

Although God can do all things, He only does things that are consistent with His fundamental nature. Begetting a son is not consistent with God's magnificent nature (Quran 19:92, Quran 19:35). Consistent with His fundamental nature is forgiveness. Although Adam and Eve could no longer live in the Paradise, God forgave Adam and Eve for their sin after they sincerely repented (Quran 2:35-37). We are responsible for our own deeds and will not be punished for the deeds of another person (Quran 53:38-42). Therefore, Muslims reject the doctrine of original sin. Although Adam and Eve were punished, God would still be merciful by sending Guidance to mankind. "We said: 'Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.'" (Quran 2:38).

When people hear the term Islam, they naturally tend to think of the organized religion of Islam which started in the 7th century CE with prophet Mohammed.  However, in Arabic the word Islam comes from the root "salema" which means peace, purity, submission, and obedience. In the religious sense, Islam means peace and purity achieved by submitting to the will of God and obedience to His law. Muslims are those who submit.  Muslims believe that all those who submitted to the will of God in line with divine revelation received before the advent of formal Islam with prophet Mohammed, were themselves also Muslim.  So coming from this understanding, Muslims believe that we are part of one continuing faith community with Jesus and Mary.  Mary, Jesus, and the disciples were all "Muslims" because they submitted to God.

"Behold! the angels said: 'O Mary! God hath chosen thee and purified thee - chosen thee above the women of all nations. O Mary! worship thy Lord devoutly: Prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down.'" (Quran 3:42-43).

Another Prophet with a message similar to Jesus' would later be born in Arabia in the sixth century. He also called people to the worship of only God. Although unable to read and write, Muhammad (peace be upon him) would recite beautiful verses of the Quran as they were revealed to him. The Quran is a beautiful miracle, a sign, a mercy, a warner, and a guidance for all people. Muhammad is the last Prophet from a line of Prophets that included Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them). All Prophets were models for righteous living. Muhammad's sunnah, his sayings, example, and traditions, is also considered revelation. His sunnah is expressed in various books of Haddith.

"Indeed in the Messenger of God you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) God and the Last Day, and remembers God much." (Quran 33:21).

God created all people to worship Him and to live life based on His teachings and guidance. "And hold fast, all together, by the Rope which God (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude God's favor on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth God make His Signs clear to you that ye may be guided." (Quran 3:103).

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to God), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost." (Quran 3:85).

We accomplish this by bearing witness to God's oneness and accepting His final revelation in our daily lives. "O ye who believe! Fear God as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam." (Quran 3:102).

There is none worthy of worship but God, and Muhammad is His messenger.

Joseph had already smashed that by the time all of this happened.

And everyone knows it. So stop pretending.

Ichiato:

Is there anywhere he said Chris will refuse your prayers unless mary intercedes? My friend the answer is no . You just decided to misunderstand him. You can pray to God through christ it is not wrong, as a matter of fact we Catholics do the same. But we also like to ask mary to intercede for us as we know that God and christ been one hold her in High regards just as christ demonstrated in wedding feast at cannan which happens to be his first Miracle recorded in the bible. Just like you know that God hold your pastor in high regards and you ask him to pray for you. In such a case your pastor also intercedes for you. When ever a friend is going to church and you ask him to pray for you, will he turn back and tell you that christ is the only interceder and that you should pray through him? Chai simple logic ig

that is where you got it wrong. I can ask the living (pastor /friend /relations ) to pray for me, but not the dead. Mary is dead and is awaiting rapture.

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "What does the Bible say about the virgin Mary?"

Answer: Mary the mother of Jesus was described by God as "highly favoured" (Luke 1:28). The phrase "highly favoured" comes from a single Greek word, which essentially means "much grace." Mary received God’s grace.

Grace is "unmerited favour," meaning something we receive despite the fact that we do not deserve it. Mary needed grace from God just as the rest of us do. Mary herself understood this fact, as she declared in Luke 1:47, “. . . and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour. . .”

Mary recognized that she needed the Saviour. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favoured (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Saviour, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8.)

Mary did not have an "immaculate conception." The Bible doesn’t suggest Mary’s birth was anything but a normal human birth. Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus (Luke 1:34-38), but the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary is unbiblical. Matthew 1:25, speaking of Joseph, declares, "But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus."

The word "until" clearly indicates that Joseph and Mary did have sexual union after Jesus was born. Joseph and Mary had several children together after Jesus was born. Jesus had four half-brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). Jesus also had half-sisters, although they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:55-56). God blessed and graced Mary by giving her several children, which in that culture was the clearest indication of God’s blessing on a woman.

One time when Jesus was speaking, a woman in the crowd proclaimed, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed" (Luke 11:27). There was never a better opportunity for Jesus to declare that Mary was indeed worthy of praise and adoration. What was Jesus’ response? "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it" (Luke 11:28). To Jesus, obedience to God’s Word was more important than being the woman who gave birth to the Saviour.

Nowhere in Scripture does Jesus, or anyone else, direct any praise, glory, or adoration towards Mary. Elizabeth, Mary’s relative, praised Mary in Luke 1:42-44, but her praise is based on the blessing of giving birth to the Messiah. It was not based on any inherent glory in Mary.

Mary was present at the cross when Jesus died (John 19:25). Mary was also with the apostles on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:14). However, Mary is never mentioned again after Acts chapter 1. The apostles did not give Mary a prominent role. Mary’s death is not recorded in the Bible. Nothing is said about Mary ascending to heaven or having an exalted role there. As the earthly mother of Jesus, Mary should be respected, but she is not worthy of our worship or adoration.

The Bible nowhere indicates that Mary can hear our prayers or that she can mediate for us with God. Jesus is our only advocate and mediator in heaven (1 Timothy 2:5). If offered worship, adoration, or prayers, Mary would say the same as the angels: "Worship God!" (see Revelation 19:10; 22:9.) Mary herself sets the example for us, directing her worship, adoration, and praise to God alone: "My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour, for He has been mindful of the humble state of His servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me — holy is His name" (Luke 1:46-49).

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-Mary.html#ixzz3CGQKef6b

mr writher abi mr pastor go back and study your bible well. You pastors are the problems we are having in nigeria today. A chosen pastor in my compound dupe his fellow church member by renting him the house he is in debt of a year and six month and corrected 300k. First of all go and make peace with your God and live a good life free of sin,no matter what you do you can never prevail against the holy church of God. I'm happy with catholic church and I'm proud to be a catholic.

Catholic misleading people since 1900. I can mix up with an idolatrous church like the catholic. I have already said enough earlier. I am out.

2scorehigh:


Seriously? Do you believe that?

I laugh when I hear Catholics say this. I'm like really, what's the difference between honoring and worshipping?

C'mon guys...

Before anyone starts to indoctrinate me, I'm also a Catholic and I know the catechism inside out but one thing I know I'm not just buying any church dogma or doctrine that doesn't sit well with me.

If the truth must be told, the way Virgin Mary is elevated in the church, you will get the idea that she's not just the mother of God; she's God the Mother!

In your own right sense if judgement, when the ten commandment said honor thy father and mother. Is it telling you to worship and take them as your God. Yes worship and honor can mean the same thing in todays English but not for Catholics. We only respect her (let me use another word to enhance your understanding) for the role she played in our salvation and the favour of which God found her worthy hence we know that she is highly regarded by God and in a very good position to intercede for us. Unlike God who we profess to be our maker and we also profess to love him above any other being on earth or in heaven and who holds the power to give all sins.

nnatom:


this is too lame, my bro u still have not made any clear point.

well u have made up ur mind not to honour her,my bro it's ur headache o, but for me I will honour her and be glad like Elizabeth that said in
Luke 1:39-45 New International
Version (NIV)
Mary Visits Elizabeth
At that time Mary got ready and
hurried to a town in the hill country
of Judea, where she entered
Zechariah’s home and greeted
Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard
Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in
her womb, and Elizabeth was filled
with the Holy Spirit. In a loud
voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are
you among women, and blessed is
the child you will bear! But why
am I so favored, that the mother of
my Lord should come to me? As
soon as the sound of your greeting
reached my ears, the baby in my
womb leaped for joy. Blessed is
she who has believed that the Lord
would fulfill his promises to her!”

Note this

Elizabeth was filled
with the Holy Spirit. In a loud
voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are
you among women, and blessed is
the child you will bear! But why
am I so favored, that the mother of
my Lord should come to me?

and I say why am I so favored to love and cherish the mother of my lord. oh thank you JESUS.

"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrinesthe commandments of men." —Mark 7:7 http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/satanism_in_the_vatican.htm

freeradical:
Before you go on this pity party for catholics why don't you look deeply inwards. A poor wretched soul as yours I think is more deserved of your pity. Any christian that undermines the place of the blessed virgin in his salvation is d one in need of pity.

Had it been you're honouring Jesus you won't call me names. Bros I love you too but still pity your beliefs.

IyfeNamikaze:


that is where you got it wrong. I can ask the living (pastor /friend /relations ) to pray for me, but not the dead. Mary is dead and is awaiting rapture.

First of all you got it wrong. Mary is not dead, please read revelation 12: 1-17 and please tell me where you the whole story of people waiting for rapture? Or don't you believe after death comes judgment?

Chibueze291994:
we only honour mary
we do not worship her.
Truly no one goes to the father except through christ, but
some are also in a better position to pray for us that's where we talk about mediator. let's take a look at what happened in canaan.

who is this fo*ol contradicting his or herself, study to show yourself approved.

nnatom:


u have made no point, the Op talks about mediate which I have shown u the meaning.

this where Mary interceded in the bible,
john 2:1-8 and this is also known as the first miracle of Christ.

On the third day a wedding took
place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’
mother was there, and Jesus and
his disciples had also been invited
to the wedding. When the wine
was gone, Jesus’ mother said to
him, “They have no more wine.”
“Woman, why do you involve
me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has
not yet come.”
His mother said to the servants,
“Do whatever he tells you.”
Nearby stood six stone water jars,
the kind used by the Jews for
ceremonial washing, each holding
from twenty to thirty gallons.
Jesus said to the servants, “Fill
the jars with water”; so they filled
them to the brim.
Then he told them, “Now draw
some out and take it to the master
of the banquet.”

I repeat Mary do not mediate she intercede pls don't miss the words. that part of Luke u quoted she also said " Henceforth, all generations shall call me blessed.

The passage of the bible you just quoted now does not state has not identified Mary as an intercessor. She only gave an instruction to the servant. You guys say 'Holy Mary mother of God, prayer....' Now let's really face it, has the bible told us to 'pray' to 'Holy Mary' to also 'prayK for us? Please, tell me where it is in the bible. At least, the bible says 'at the name of Jesus, every kneel must bow.....' And Jesus also made it clear that no one cometh onto the father except through him. If you want to convince me, you should tell me where the bible says I should ask holy Mary (who is actually dead, gone and can't hear your prayer) to pray for others. Fine, if she were to be alive, I could easily have asked her to pray for me because she has special grace and privilege. What I see in this issue is that christian denominations often follow the direction of their founders which may actually not be what the bible has stated. Mary may be worth it but the bible has not instructed us to ask her to actually pray for us. You can prove me wrong with bible passages please.

Ichiato:

In your own right sense if judgement, when the ten commandment said honor thy father and mother. Is it telling you to worship and take them as your God. Yes worship and honor can mean the same thing in todays English but not for Catholics. We only respect her (let me use another word to enhance your understanding) for the role she played in our salvation and the favour of which God found her worthy hence we know that she is highly regarded by God and in a very good position to intercede for us. Unlike God who we profess to be our maker and we also profess to love him above any other being on earth or in heaven and who holds the power to give all sins.

she is dead for God sake Mary was mortal like you and i she was favoured and blessed among all women . At the last day she will also be judged along side all men both the living and dead

nnatom:


I know you have a problem understanding English language.

catholic says Mary intercede for them and u are missing it up with mediator. yes Christ is the only mediator between God and man. but Mary intercede,i.e plead on our behalf.

dictionary meaning of mediator and intercede

To intercede is to go or come between two
parties, to plead before one of them on behalf
of the other. "Mediation"
means a standing in the midst between two
(contending) parties, for the purpose of
bringing them together.

you English major, teach us.
your definition clearly reveals your ignorance.
what is the work of a MEDIATOR?

Werehkpe:
And for those who think it is wrong to pray through Saints and Mary. You may like to read

Ephesians 6:18
Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints.

1 Timothy 2:1
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Romans 8:27
And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.


James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

Please leave all these penterascals, they are so blinded by envy and indepthness of the Mother Church that they can't see beyond our mode of worship to see the true reasons behind each of things we do. The foundation of the Catholic Church is unshakeable as Jesus himself instituted it on a solid rock (Peter) where the gates of hell shall not prevail. It has since been passed down, unbroken, successively through the ages till Pope Francis of today. People with bamboo in their eyes be seeing common specks in others'. Church of God Mission handed the baton to madam 'Arch Bishop', nobody sees any wrong in that, cos she is 'Mama in the Lord'. If I like I worship Mary sef, make all penterascals go boil beans.

zenti99:
she is dead for God sake Mary was mortal like you and i she was favoured and blessed among . At the last day she will also be judged

Please I look to make sound arguments with prove. When I said mary is not dead, I gave a bible passage and asked that you read and say what you make of it. There is no where in history that records mary's death or na you kill am? I'm in no way saying mary is still here on earth in flesh and blood but simple that she's not dead in spirit and she's still alive to our prayers. Please don't quote me with mere statements without prove or credible sources

CALVARY GREETINGS TO YOU ALL! The Message of the Bible is simply SELFISHNESS vs RIGHTEOUSNESS! The first ADAM & EVE were moulded and given CONSCIENCE to know GOOD & BAD. They chose to know bad. They chose Disobedience and became THE SELFISH before God........................... The Second ADAM & EVE were not moulded but spiritually reversed to MARY & JESUS to give CREDENCE, AUTHOURITY AND RESPONSIBILITY to the Son of Man. When the Book of Hebrew, Chapter one revealed the Son of Man as THE SON OF GOD AND THE BEARER OF THE SCEPTRE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, it is just right to Praise the Womb Bearer that God graced(favoured) to produce our GENERAL GRACE JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS.............Eve is the mother of all evil, darkness, death, forget, abandon, worry and hate. Mary is now the mother of marriages, merriments, light, life, peace, faith, hope and love. Henceforth, all our daughters are recognised as daughters of Mary. Only non Christians may now call themselves daughters of Eve. Love is excellent worship of our neighbour, we are asked to love God and our neighbour. God loves us meaning God worships us and we must love and worship Him in all ramifications and that includes the BEARER OF THE WOMB THAT BORE THE GRACE, JESUS CHRIST, THE RIGHTEOUS....... Judas, the half brother of Jesus is Jude. Judas is satan. Jude is the Mind in selfless relationship to Jesus.

"My church is bigger than yours" is practically the way some of us are addressing this issue.

You see comments like "how can your church formed 20 years ago dare the church that has been in existence over 2000 years"

Its funny really.

One thing I know is the Lord knows those who are His and I dare say they are not peculiar to any particular church or denomination. Instead of vain arguments and babblings let us instead seek to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Plus seek a personal relationship with our maker not one dictated by any cleric, pastor or priest.

Samplegirl I'm enjoying your discourse

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Werehkpe:
And for those who think it is wrong to pray through Saints and Mary. You may like to read

Ephesians 6:18
Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints.

1 Timothy 2:1
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Romans 8:27
And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.


James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

is Mary a saint?

I now understand how Jesus felt trying to teach the Pharisees. 'where is it in the bible?' 'where is it in the bible?' please where is it in the bible that yahoo yahoo is bad? Are people this blind? No wonder pastors are turning millionaires by the day.

Ichiato:

First of all you got it wrong. Mary is not dead, please read revelation 12: 1-17 and please tell me where you the whole story of people waiting for rapture? Or don't you believe after death comes judgment?

.nothing in revolution 12:1-17 says that she is still alive...my God! are you trying to tell me that Mary ascended into heaven Just like Christ did? you guys have taken this "honor " thing too far!

MrCyril:
are u senseless or u dnt understand simple english. It has been repeated over and over on this post that we don't worship Virgin Mary but honour Her. Read and understand before spitting out rubbish

so bowing down to an image of her and asking her to intercede for you ( replacing Christ with her) is also honoring?

even the Pope, after he survived an assassination attempt on his life declared that he was saved by Mary ( not Christ the Savior ) . and you guys want to be believe that you are only honoring her? bullocks!